Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Slick]

PoliticsJoe have discussed the rampant sexual harassment in parliament a few times and revisited the topic on their most recent episode of the pubcast really hammering how inadequate the reporting and sanction processes are, which means people don't report and so the MPs are able to just carry on.

I’ve spent a fair amount of time in the Strangers Bar, various others in Parliament and the local drinking pubs around it, and it’s quite incredible. It’s as if the last 20 years or so of social reform (for want of a better phrase) hasn’t happened.

To be fair though, it’s not just MP’s and it’s not just men, behaving badly, but it’s very, very easy to see how the imbalance of power could be easily abused.

It was only about 2 months ago that I was outside the Red Lion while a group of guys surrounding a prominent MP were shouting obscenities at tourists as he laughed away

[fishfoodie]

PoliticsJoe have discussed the rampant sexual harassment in parliament a few times and revisited the topic on their most recent episode of the pubcast really hammering how inadequate the reporting and sanction processes are, which means people don't report and so the MPs are able to just carry on.

It's not even as if this is a Party specific issue, because they've all had their despicable scrotes, who've evaded their just deserts.

Profumo, Thorpe, Cyril Smith.....

They all got away scot free, when they should all have rotted away in isolation cells, going slowly insane, so they weren't shanked by ODCs, who objected to serving their time with traitors, nutbars, & paedos.

This is just the top 0.00001% lauding it over the plebs.

[C69]

So just hours after Rishi met the Head of the Met and some common ground was found.
Guess who has an interview and claims left wing protests and causes are treated more favourable than those by right wing groups.

Go girl

Is she actually trying to get sacked? She is certainly starting her thrust for leadership early.

Then mad Nad on the Beeb spouting conspiracy theories.
Brilliant

[Ymx]

Good on Braverman for holding that weasel of a man to account.

[SaintK]

So just hours after Rishi met the Head of the Met and some common ground was found.
Guess who has an interview and claims left wing protests and causes are treated more favourable than those by right wing groups.

Go girl

Is she actually trying to get sacked? She is certainly starting her thrust for leadership early.

Then mad Nad on the Beeb spouting conspiracy theories.
Brilliant

Would be interested to know just who is pulling her strings. She appears too thick to be doing this of her own accord!

[Ymx]

“Balanced” Piers trying to trot out the garbage media line, but not all of them are inciting genocide.

[Slick]

So just hours after Rishi met the Head of the Met and some common ground was found.
Guess who has an interview and claims left wing protests and causes are treated more favourable than those by right wing groups.

Go girl

Is she actually trying to get sacked? She is certainly starting her thrust for leadership early.

Then mad Nad on the Beeb spouting conspiracy theories.
Brilliant

Would be interested to know just who is pulling her strings. She appears too thick to be doing this of her own accord!

She definitely is trying to get sacked.

And agree Saint, someone is planning this with her. Although I read yesterday that she only has the support of about 40 MP's. Also, seems a bit of a strange time to be doing this, the Torys are going to get whacked at the GE so why not wait until after that - most evidence so far seems to point to the fact that Rishi going more right wing and appealing to specific groups isn't really working anyway so who thinks going full tonto is going to work?

[Tichtheid]

“Balanced” Piers trying to trot out the garbage media line, but not all of them are inciting genocide.

A banal equivalent to that argument would be that if some Rangers supporters are sectarian bigots who have run guns into Northern Ireland for loyalist paramilitary terrorists you should never go to a match at Ibrox.

I know someone who was convicted of that offence, or rather I know his sibling.

The answer is of course that Rangers do not belong to the extremists, likewise protests calling for peace and a ceasefire do not belong to extremists

[Rhubarb & Custard]

“Balanced” Piers trying to trot out the garbage media line, but not all of them are inciting genocide.

You mean like the Tories being proud to have the racists on board for the Brexit vote? This isn't unusual for Tory supporters now, it is the Tories now

[Tichtheid]

oops, I made the mistake of not looking at the source, I thought it was an actual journalist who was talking there, but it's Douglas Murray ffs.

[Tichtheid]

So just hours after Rishi met the Head of the Met and some common ground was found.
Guess who has an interview and claims left wing protests and causes are treated more favourable than those by right wing groups.

Go girl

Is she actually trying to get sacked? She is certainly starting her thrust for leadership early.

Then mad Nad on the Beeb spouting conspiracy theories.
Brilliant

Would be interested to know just who is pulling her strings. She appears too thick to be doing this of her own accord!

She definitely is trying to get sacked.

And agree Saint, someone is planning this with her. Although I read yesterday that she only has the support of about 40 MP's. Also, seems a bit of a strange time to be doing this, the Torys are going to get whacked at the GE so why not wait until after that - most evidence so far seems to point to the fact that Rishi going more right wing and appealing to specific groups isn't really working anyway so who thinks going full tonto is going to work?

As to the timing of this, perhaps she knows something that we don't - an early GE next May?

[Slick]

Would be interested to know just who is pulling her strings. She appears too thick to be doing this of her own accord!

She definitely is trying to get sacked.

And agree Saint, someone is planning this with her. Although I read yesterday that she only has the support of about 40 MP's. Also, seems a bit of a strange time to be doing this, the Torys are going to get whacked at the GE so why not wait until after that - most evidence so far seems to point to the fact that Rishi going more right wing and appealing to specific groups isn't really working anyway so who thinks going full tonto is going to work?

As to the timing of this, perhaps she knows something that we don't - an early GE next May?

They will still get smashed though

[Ymx]

“Right-wing and nationalist protesters who engage in aggression are rightly met with a stern response yet pro-Palestinian mobs displaying almost identical behaviour are largely ignored, even when clearly breaking the law? I have spoken to serving and former police officers who have noted this double standard. Football fans are even more vocal about the tough way they are policed as compared to politically connected minority groups favoured by the left. It may be that senior officers are more concerned with how much flak they are likely to get than whether this perceived unfairness alienates the majority. The government has a duty to take a broader view.”

[Ymx]

“Balanced” Piers trying to trot out the garbage media line, but not all of them are inciting genocide.

A banal equivalent to that argument would be that if some Rangers supporters are sectarian bigots who have run guns into Northern Ireland for loyalist paramilitary terrorists you should never go to a match at Ibrox.

I know someone who was convicted of that offence, or rather I know his sibling.

The answer is of course that Rangers do not belong to the extremists, likewise protests calling for peace and a ceasefire do not belong to extremists

[Ymx]

oops, I made the mistake of not looking at the source, I thought it was an actual journalist who was talking there, but it's Douglas Murray ffs.

I genuinely hope this is intended as a joke. But I fear it’s only slightly a joke, and that you’re serious - you refuse to listen to those you disagree with.

[Line6 HXFX]

If I was a tory and there was a week where there was testimony that showed Boris did actually want the dead to pile high, where Matt Hancock wanted to decide who lived or died, where the corruption about PPE was on full display, where suella said being homelessa is a lifestyle choice, and where the answers to the countries massive massive problems, regarding cost of living, NHS and just 13 years of tory wreckage.. are something about not giving a shit about the envirionment..so BP (who held secret talks with Sunak btw) can make more profit.I guess..I too would prey to the high heavens there is a bit of a dust up at the cenotaph....thats if I didn't have any decency and didnt' want to resign in disgrace.

[inactionman]

oops, I made the mistake of not looking at the source, I thought it was an actual journalist who was talking there, but it's Douglas Murray ffs.

I genuinely hope this is intended as a joke. But I fear it’s only slightly a joke, and that you’re serious - you refuse to listen to those you disagree with.

I think it's more a reluctance to consider the writings of certain people to be authoritative, sincere and honest representations.

Agreeing with someone isn't the same as trusting them or valuing their opinion.

[Ymx]

oops, I made the mistake of not looking at the source, I thought it was an actual journalist who was talking there, but it's Douglas Murray ffs.

I genuinely hope this is intended as a joke. But I fear it’s only slightly a joke, and that you’re serious - you refuse to listen to those you disagree with.

I think it's more a reluctance to consider the writings of certain people to be authoritative, sincere and honest representations.

Agreeing with someone isn't the same as trusting them or valuing their opinion.

In the context, it was someone making a point. It was a very salient point, and didn’t rely on statistics. So to start stomping around like a child with fingers in ears seemed inappropriate.

[Tichtheid]

“Balanced” Piers trying to trot out the garbage media line, but not all of them are inciting genocide.

A banal equivalent to that argument would be that if some Rangers supporters are sectarian bigots who have run guns into Northern Ireland for loyalist paramilitary terrorists you should never go to a match at Ibrox.

I know someone who was convicted of that offence, or rather I know his sibling.

The answer is of course that Rangers do not belong to the extremists, likewise protests calling for peace and a ceasefire do not belong to extremists

Leaping straight to the jar of internet cliches is the quick and easy rebuttal and means you don't have to engage with the proposition. "Strawman" is a favourite of some.

This is not a straw man argument, it is a comparison and I stand by it, not all groups are defined by a subsection of that group. As was said before by someone else, the Brexiteers were happy with, or turned a blind eye to having some racists in their midsts, that does not mean that everyone who voted for Brexit was a racist.

[Tichtheid]

I genuinely hope this is intended as a joke. But I fear it’s only slightly a joke, and that you’re serious - you refuse to listen to those you disagree with.

I think it's more a reluctance to consider the writings of certain people to be authoritative, sincere and honest representations.

Agreeing with someone isn't the same as trusting them or valuing their opinion.

In the context, it was someone making a point. It was a very salient point, and didn’t rely on statistics. So to start stomping around like a child with fingers in ears seemed inappropriate.

Another way to put that is to take into consideration who is making that point, reflecting on what they are on record as saying in this and related subjects and then evaluating the point in that context.

His point is basically that because some of the marchers are supporters of Hamas no-one should march if they are against the Hamas violence as much as they are against the Israeli bombing.

[Paddington Bear]

A banal equivalent to that argument would be that if some Rangers supporters are sectarian bigots who have run guns into Northern Ireland for loyalist paramilitary terrorists you should never go to a match at Ibrox.

I know someone who was convicted of that offence, or rather I know his sibling.

The answer is of course that Rangers do not belong to the extremists, likewise protests calling for peace and a ceasefire do not belong to extremists

Leaping straight to the jar of internet cliches is the quick and easy rebuttal and means you don't have to engage with the proposition. "Strawman" is a favourite of some.

This is not a straw man argument, it is a comparison and I stand by it, not all groups are defined by a subsection of that group. As was said before by someone else, the Brexiteers were happy with, or turned a blind eye to having some racists in their midsts, that does not mean that everyone who voted for Brexit was a racist.

This is true of all political movements - you can’t win elections without appealing to/getting the votes of cranks. The difference is the type of crank we’re willing to tolerate

[Line6 HXFX]

Any group will contain at least 3 anti semites.
Unfortuntely if you are keir starmer, and you want to take down Corbyn and destroy the left of the Labour party , that's more than enough.

The centre right tried this gambit all over Europe, ... accusing the left of being anti semetic thing, and it was laughed off....all around the same time...only here did it do major damage to a political leader.

[Sandstorm]

Any group will contain at least 3 anti semites.

So George, John and Ringo?

[Line6 HXFX]

Only in the pathetic UK can a whole peace movement , calling for a ceasefire and for peace be utterrly slandered and undermined because of a few bad apples wearing paraglider badges.

We are not a cohesive nation, we have such a removed elite, that put such huge importance into such tiny things..that we are basically worse than twitter.

[sockwithaticket]

So just hours after Rishi met the Head of the Met and some common ground was found.
Guess who has an interview and claims left wing protests and causes are treated more favourable than those by right wing groups.

Go girl

Is she actually trying to get sacked? She is certainly starting her thrust for leadership early.

Then mad Nad on the Beeb spouting conspiracy theories.
Brilliant

Would be interested to know just who is pulling her strings. She appears too thick to be doing this of her own accord!

She definitely is trying to get sacked.

And agree Saint, someone is planning this with her. Although I read yesterday that she only has the support of about 40 MP's. Also, seems a bit of a strange time to be doing this, the Torys are going to get whacked at the GE so why not wait until after that - most evidence so far seems to point to the fact that Rishi going more right wing and appealing to specific groups isn't really working anyway so who thinks going full tonto is going to work?

Whoever it is that's funding the Tories and advising them to go ever further right clearly wants her somewhere high up in the next iteration of the Tory party (presumably because she's a malleable moron).

I guess the logic would go that if she's fired by Sunak before the coming election she can avoid some of the stink from what's likely to be a colossal failure for the Conservatives, while also being able to go "Look what happened when Rishi pushed out one of our most conservative (read: virulently right wing and borderline inhuman) voices."

Some right wingers are hoping that a one term government of Labour trying and failing to fix the mess the Tories will be leaving behind will be enough for the electorate to forget who made the mess in the first place and vote them back in.That would be gambling on the idea that people are just fed up of an extended period of Tory rule and the sleaze of the Johnson era rather than being fundamentally bothered by or simply uninterested in the culture war focus while the public purse is looted and services crumble.

[Sandstorm]

Some right wingers are hoping that a one term government of Labour trying and failing to fix the mess the Tories will be leaving behind will be enough for the electorate to forget who made the mess in the first place and vote them back in.That would be gambling on the idea that people are just fed up of an extended period of Tory rule and the sleaze of the Johnson era rather than being fundamentally bothered by or simply uninterested in the culture war focus while the public purse is looted and services crumble.

I reckon it'll take more than 1 term for the Tories to find enough "decent" MPs to replace the current crop of scum and improve their image in the eyes of the voters. They'll get back into power again, but not before 2014.

[sockwithaticket]

Some right wingers are hoping that a one term government of Labour trying and failing to fix the mess the Tories will be leaving behind will be enough for the electorate to forget who made the mess in the first place and vote them back in.That would be gambling on the idea that people are just fed up of an extended period of Tory rule and the sleaze of the Johnson era rather than being fundamentally bothered by or simply uninterested in the culture war focus while the public purse is looted and services crumble.

I reckon it'll take more than 1 term for the Tories to find enough "decent" MPs to replace the current crop of scum and improve their image in the eyes of the voters. They'll get back into power again, but not before 2014.

Hopefully, but the UK electorate have delivered a lot of disappointment over the last several years.

[Sandstorm]

Some right wingers are hoping that a one term government of Labour trying and failing to fix the mess the Tories will be leaving behind will be enough for the electorate to forget who made the mess in the first place and vote them back in.That would be gambling on the idea that people are just fed up of an extended period of Tory rule and the sleaze of the Johnson era rather than being fundamentally bothered by or simply uninterested in the culture war focus while the public purse is looted and services crumble.

I reckon it'll take more than 1 term for the Tories to find enough "decent" MPs to replace the current crop of scum and improve their image in the eyes of the voters. They'll get back into power again, but not before 2014.

Hopefully, but the UK electorate have delivered a lot of disappointment over the last several years.

Sadly yes

[Insane_Homer]

Vote for Brexit, what's worst that could happen eh?

[tabascoboy]

[Sandstorm]

What about Tory 2019 voters who considered her a piece of shit pre-Home Secretary role & haven't changed their opinion?

[Lobby]

What about Tory 2019 voters who considered her a piece of shit pre-Home Secretary role & haven't changed their opinion?

a +10 rating amongst Tory voters is hardly a ringing endorsement for the vile piece of shit and probably still puts her much lower than other possible contenders to replace Sunak. I'd bet Johnson's popularity amongst the Tories faithful morons is comfortably ahead of any other Conservative politician.

[Ymx]

A banal equivalent to that argument would be that if some Rangers supporters are sectarian bigots who have run guns into Northern Ireland for loyalist paramilitary terrorists you should never go to a match at Ibrox.

I know someone who was convicted of that offence, or rather I know his sibling.

The answer is of course that Rangers do not belong to the extremists, likewise protests calling for peace and a ceasefire do not belong to extremists

Leaping straight to the jar of internet cliches is the quick and easy rebuttal and means you don't have to engage with the proposition. "Strawman" is a favourite of some.

This is not a straw man argument, it is a comparison and I stand by it, not all groups are defined by a subsection of that group. As was said before by someone else, the Brexiteers were happy with, or turned a blind eye to having some racists in their midsts, that does not mean that everyone who voted for Brexit was a racist.

These marches are very specific in topic. They are about tensions between Palestine and Israel, where there is strong hate in display. It’s not unrelated topics like Brexit and racism. The issue is they are inciting hate speech on the topic they are marching for. A more appropriate equivalent would be those marching in theme with racial equality, and some were wearing kkk helmets.

These marches are attracting an increasing level of nasty genocidal hate. Police are not even arresting those calling for Jihad or river to the sea.

There have already been several of these marches. They have not been banned outright. A postponement would be extremely sensible, let alone appropriate policing of them.

Suella is absolutely spot on.

[dpedin]

Poisoned dwarf Patel giving evidence to the Covid Enquiry now. Never realised how supercilious she was and how affected her posh accent was, KC Hugo Keith is however brilliant at cutting through the shite and is slowly but surely getting to the truth. She aint liking it! It is like watching someone being slowly tortured.

[petej]

Leaping straight to the jar of internet cliches is the quick and easy rebuttal and means you don't have to engage with the proposition. "Strawman" is a favourite of some.

This is not a straw man argument, it is a comparison and I stand by it, not all groups are defined by a subsection of that group. As was said before by someone else, the Brexiteers were happy with, or turned a blind eye to having some racists in their midsts, that does not mean that everyone who voted for Brexit was a racist.

These marches are very specific in topic. They are about tensions between Palestine and Israel, where there is strong hate in display. It’s not unrelated topics like Brexit and racism. The issue is they are inciting hate speech on the topic they are marching for. A more appropriate equivalent would be those marching in theme with racial equality, and some were wearing kkk helmets.

These marches are attracting an increasing level of nasty genocidal hate. Police are not even arresting those calling for Jihad or river to the sea.

There have already been several of these marches. They have not been banned outright. A postponement would be extremely sensible, let alone appropriate policing of them.

Suella is absolutely spot on.

The cynic in me thinks that if the government had come out against Israel quite a lot of these protestors would come out in support of Israel. People want to protest against our government but there isn't really unifying cause because there are too many things to protest about. Was it "just flood everything with shit"? Netanyahu being a right wing populist probably increases the number of protestors.

[fishfoodie]

So just hours after Rishi met the Head of the Met and some common ground was found.
Guess who has an interview and claims left wing protests and causes are treated more favourable than those by right wing groups.

Go girl

Is she actually trying to get sacked? She is certainly starting her thrust for leadership early.

Then mad Nad on the Beeb spouting conspiracy theories.
Brilliant

Would be interested to know just who is pulling her strings. She appears too thick to be doing this of her own accord!

She definitely is trying to get sacked.

And agree Saint, someone is planning this with her. Although I read yesterday that she only has the support of about 40 MP's. Also, seems a bit of a strange time to be doing this, the Torys are going to get whacked at the GE so why not wait until after that - most evidence so far seems to point to the fact that Rishi going more right wing and appealing to specific groups isn't really working anyway so who thinks going full tonto is going to work?

Agreed, so then the question becomes, Why now ?

And I think the Sky News ticker just showed the reason why she wants to be sacked, & the head boy just expressed full confidence in her, despite her ignore his directions to change the language in the Times article.

The Ticker had first, the news the Supreme Court decision on the Rwanda scheme is incoming, probably next week, & then the news that #10 had confidence in her......

The Rwanda scheme getting flushed down the sewer forever, for something that could have, & should have been checked before millions were wasted on it, would just cap the end of a dire performance, & would allow her sacking without stirring up the far right members, because it would be her fault their brilliant scheme had failed.

[Tichtheid]

Leaping straight to the jar of internet cliches is the quick and easy rebuttal and means you don't have to engage with the proposition. "Strawman" is a favourite of some.

This is not a straw man argument, it is a comparison and I stand by it, not all groups are defined by a subsection of that group. As was said before by someone else, the Brexiteers were happy with, or turned a blind eye to having some racists in their midsts, that does not mean that everyone who voted for Brexit was a racist.

These marches are very specific in topic. They are about tensions between Palestine and Israel, where there is strong hate in display. It’s not unrelated topics like Brexit and racism. The issue is they are inciting hate speech on the topic they are marching for. A more appropriate equivalent would be those marching in theme with racial equality, and some were wearing kkk helmets.

These marches are attracting an increasing level of nasty genocidal hate. Police are not even arresting those calling for Jihad or river to the sea.

There have already been several of these marches. They have not been banned outright. A postponement would be extremely sensible, let alone appropriate policing of them.

Suella is absolutely spot on.

I was engaging with the point you were promoting by posting that video, the specific point being that you (one) should not attend a demo or march if some of those who march alongside you are spouting hate speech.

I don't think you as group of marchers take on responsibility for, or promote the values of the extremists if they join you on a march for peace.

Although his argument is a good way silence any protest right enough.

[C69]

If we accept that the point of the protests is to call for a cease fire then surely the best day for this to happen is Armistice Day.
You argue about some of the intentions of fringe lunatics at the protests but Armistice Day is actually the perfect Day.
Going by the dictionary definition.

[tabascoboy]

So Braverman didn't clear the article she wrote for The Times with Downing Street, who wanted changes that weren't all made to the published article.

"Ministerial Code? We don't need no stinking Ministerial Code!"

The ministerial code says all major interviews and media appearances, both print and broadcast, should "be agreed with the No 10 Press Office".

The prime minister can punish a minister who is deemed to have breached the code. Options can range from demanding a public apology to sacking them.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67368785

[Raggs]

This weekend doesn't worry me, next weekend does. That's when the Jewish ex-forces have their march (and have done for years).