Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Ymx]

If we accept that the point of the protests is to call for a cease fire then surely the best day for this to happen is Armistice Day.
You argue about some of the intentions of fringe lunatics at the protests but Armistice Day is actually the perfect Day.
Going by the dictionary definition.

It’s a genuinely terrible day to do it. There have already been bad interactions between those wearing/selling Poppie’s and the Palestinian flag wavers.

This is not the great collaboration you think it is. Armistice is not just diluted by this but actually directly threatened by this.

Obviously let’s see, as the pandering met fail to manage it.

Of course you will say, blah blah blah … just fringe lunatics on both sides.

But quite clearly they will not be complimentary side by side protests. Hence why the cenotaph is now going to be shut off to the public.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

I was engaging with the point you were promoting by posting that video, the specific point being that you (one) should not attend a demo or march if some of those who march alongside you are spouting hate speech.

I don't think you as group of marchers take on responsibility for, or promote the values of the extremists if they join you on a march for peace.

Although his argument is a good way silence any protest right enough.

I think that's broadly right, though in this instance the story will tend to be they're marching on Armistice Day and what the response is, so it'll be a process story about events not a substance story about what they're protesting about. And really a lot of people will just think bollocks to them for it, sure they're probably reasoning the extra publicity on balance makes it worthwhile but they could have gone 1 day later and had the story be about Israeli actions in Gaza, although even then we only get back to nobody has a good idea about what to do about Israeli actions in Gaza

[Ymx]

Blimey it looks like I’m going to be wrong according to Corbyn.

[Ymx]

Several days ago.



Not a chance they will clash, not.a.chance !

[Paddington Bear]

Saturday is going to be an absolute fucking disaster, one that has been a generation in the making. Braverman is only interested in making things worse but it is true the police are incredibly guilty of double standards depending on whether they are scared of the protestors and their political backing or not.

[sockwithaticket]

Several days ago.



Not a chance they will clash, not.a.chance !

Are you capable of finding sources that aren't weirdo climate change sceptic/anti-vax/culture war baiting mongs? It feels like whenever I try and get a sense of the provenance of any twitter posts you put up here and have a scroll that's all I see.


Defacing cenotaphs is very, very poor form, but two teens have been arrested for that. While two marches may well clash I don't see the vandalism of teenagers as being particularly strong evidence in favour of the prediction.

[C69]

If we accept that the point of the protests is to call for a cease fire then surely the best day for this to happen is Armistice Day.
You argue about some of the intentions of fringe lunatics at the protests but Armistice Day is actually the perfect Day.
Going by the dictionary definition.

It’s a genuinely terrible day to do it. There have already been bad interactions between those wearing/selling Poppie’s and the Palestinian flag wavers.

This is not the great collaboration you think it is. Armistice is not just diluted by this but actually directly threatened by this.

Obviously let’s see, as the pandering met fail to manage it.

Of course you will say, blah blah blah … just fringe lunatics on both sides.

But quite clearly they will not be complimentary side by side protests. Hence why the cenotaph is now going to be shut off to the public.

Do you know what an armistice is?
Wtf is a great collaboration? Stop making shit up.
My point is quite clear it's in the name of the day.
Both Palestinians and Israelis should call for an err if only there was a specific word that meant to call for a formal agreement of warring parties to stop fighting.

[Ymx]

Several days ago.



Not a chance they will clash, not.a.chance !

Are you capable of finding sources that aren't weirdo climate change sceptic/anti-vax/culture war baiting mongs? It feels like whenever I try and get a sense of the provenance of any twitter posts you put up here and have a scroll that's all I see.


Defacing cenotaphs is very, very poor form, but two teens have been arrested for that. While two marches may well clash I don't see the vandalism of teenagers as being particularly strong evidence in favour of the prediction.

Well the Cenotaph is being made inaccessible from public, so here’s hoping that prevents it.

These are not photoshopped pictures or deep fake videos. So feel free to ignore any accompanying text which hurts you.

[sturginho]

Saturday is going to be an absolute fucking disaster, one that has been a generation in the making. Braverman is only interested in making things worse but it is true the police are incredibly guilty of double standards depending on whether they are scared of the protestors and their political backing or not.

Who are you suggesting they are scared of in this case?

[Tichtheid]

One defaced war memorial is one too many, but there are over a hundred thousand war memorials in the UK according to the Imperial War Museum, commemorating over one and half million names.

[sturginho]

"Full confidence" is usually what a football team says just before they sack the manager....

https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak- ... s-13003991

[C69]

So will Cruella last the week?

I note she has broken the Ministerial code again

[Paddington Bear]

Saturday is going to be an absolute fucking disaster, one that has been a generation in the making. Braverman is only interested in making things worse but it is true the police are incredibly guilty of double standards depending on whether they are scared of the protestors and their political backing or not.

Who are you suggesting they are scared of in this case?

More radical sections of the Muslim community. This isn’t a left/right issue - they were happy to break out the truncheons for the Sarah Everard vigil as well

[Sandstorm]

So will Cruella last the week?

I note she has broken the Ministerial code again

Is there another racist, middle aged (Asian) woman in the Tory Party who can take her place? Seems there's only one type of candidate they like.

[Sandstorm]

Saturday is going to be an absolute fucking disaster, one that has been a generation in the making. Braverman is only interested in making things worse but it is true the police are incredibly guilty of double standards depending on whether they are scared of the protestors and their political backing or not.

Who are you suggesting they are scared of in this case?

More radical sections of the Muslim community. This isn’t a left/right issue - they were happy to break out the truncheons for the Sarah Everard vigil as well

Balaclavas for every copper on duty. They can't be identified when swinging the clubs onto anyone (Muslim or Other) defacing a memorial.

Black hoods seems to fit the Tory Party mood at the moment too.

[Ymx]

Just how ?!!

[C69]

Just how ?!!

https://notplanetrugby.com/viewtopic.ph ... start=1160
Can you keep it on this thread ffs

[Ymx]

Um … no

[Muttonbird]

Saturday is going to be an absolute fucking disaster, one that has been a generation in the making. Braverman is only interested in making things worse but it is true the police are incredibly guilty of double standards depending on whether they are scared of the protestors and their political backing or not.

Who are you suggesting they are scared of in this case?

More radical sections of the Muslim community. This isn’t a left/right issue - they were happy to break out the truncheons for the Sarah Everard vigil as well

The Police aren't afraid of more radical sections of the Muslim community. I doubt the Police are afraid any group in that way.

What they might be afraid of is images of them batoning already marginalised people, brown people, which would recall the worst periods in colonial history.

[Tichtheid]

The latest slice of Pie. Even for him this is full on, although he does have a point

[Chilli]

Who are you suggesting they are scared of in this case?

More radical sections of the Muslim community. This isn’t a left/right issue - they were happy to break out the truncheons for the Sarah Everard vigil as well

The Police aren't afraid of more radical sections of the Muslim community. I doubt the Police are afraid any group in that way.

What they might be afraid of is images of them batoning already marginalised people, brown people, which would recall the worst periods in colonial history.

Are brown people in the UK marginalized?

[Muttonbird]

More radical sections of the Muslim community. This isn’t a left/right issue - they were happy to break out the truncheons for the Sarah Everard vigil as well

The Police aren't afraid of more radical sections of the Muslim community. I doubt the Police are afraid any group in that way.

What they might be afraid of is images of them batoning already marginalised people, brown people, which would recall the worst periods in colonial history.

Are brown people in the UK marginalized?

How would you know?

[C69]

More radical sections of the Muslim community. This isn’t a left/right issue - they were happy to break out the truncheons for the Sarah Everard vigil as well

The Police aren't afraid of more radical sections of the Muslim community. I doubt the Police are afraid any group in that way.

What they might be afraid of is images of them batoning already marginalised people, brown people, which would recall the worst periods in colonial history.

Are brown people in the UK marginalized?

Absolutely in certain areas of the UK.
Look at the well documented treatment of people.of colour by the Met Police for instance.

[Paddington Bear]

Who are you suggesting they are scared of in this case?

More radical sections of the Muslim community. This isn’t a left/right issue - they were happy to break out the truncheons for the Sarah Everard vigil as well

The Police aren't afraid of more radical sections of the Muslim community. I doubt the Police are afraid any group in that way.

What they might be afraid of is images of them batoning already marginalised people, brown people, which would recall the worst periods in colonial history.

Oh boy.

Unless the Met have been procuring ‘disperse or we will fire’ banners, live ammo and lathis I think the colonial echoes are all in the heads of people who ought to know better.

They’re afraid of groups who have a high chance of causing civil disorder if they don’t get their way. Football fans? Easy enough to contain. Feminists? They’re not rioting any time soon. Radical islamists? They can cause choas. So like an abusive husband we mustn’t upset them. This is why an imam who called for Jihad and to wipe out the Jews in South London doesn’t warrant a criminal investigation, but holding up a picture of Bradley Lowry at a football match does.

The return to social media of Tommy Robinson just in time to get some skinheads arrested tomorrow is deeply unhelpful and will make the situation worse, but the fault for the chaos I think will happen tomorrow lies with the Met and those who decided to organise a deliberately provocative protest.

[dpedin]

The damage has been done, we will all need to just stand back and watch the chaos unfold now at the weekend. It is now too late to call off the march and it will go ahead as planned and as agreed with the Met Police. However Braverman's interventions have in effect been a clarion call for the far right to now attend and cause trouble. Also there will be other extremists of various hues who will infiltrate the planned peaceful march in order to cause disruption and will look to confront the NF/Turning Point/Farage supporting etc right wing gangs. They will probably splinter off and try and approach the Cenotaph. Similarly the far right mobs will go looking for trouble and try and engage the planned march at key points on their march route. All in all Braverman has created a shitfest and called for every extremists and nutters from all angles to come and cause trouble and put the peaceful marchers and the Met Police in serious danger of real harm. If there are injuries or worse then it will be on her head, she really is a Cnut and Jonathon Pie summarises my thoughts entirely. Hopefully sacked on Monday but by the then the damage will have been done and everyone will be claiming they were right. What a fuck up!

[Hal Jordan]

Meanwhile, it would appear that a Tory donor has invested £70k in the Party and received a return of £11.5m on it, in the form of the contract to supply temporary classrooms following the RAAC debacle.

Why anyone would put money into property or the markets when there is this sort of ROI available is beyond me.

[petej]

More radical sections of the Muslim community. This isn’t a left/right issue - they were happy to break out the truncheons for the Sarah Everard vigil as well

The Police aren't afraid of more radical sections of the Muslim community. I doubt the Police are afraid any group in that way.

What they might be afraid of is images of them batoning already marginalised people, brown people, which would recall the worst periods in colonial history.

Oh boy.

Unless the Met have been procuring ‘disperse or we will fire’ banners, live ammo and lathis I think the colonial echoes are all in the heads of people who ought to know better.

They’re afraid of groups who have a high chance of causing civil disorder if they don’t get their way. Football fans? Easy enough to contain. Feminists? They’re not rioting any time soon. Radical islamists? They can cause choas. So like an abusive husband we mustn’t upset them. This is why an imam who called for Jihad and to wipe out the Jews in South London doesn’t warrant a criminal investigation, but holding up a picture of Bradley Lowry at a football match does.

The return to social media of Tommy Robinson just in time to get some skinheads arrested tomorrow is deeply unhelpful and will make the situation worse, but the fault for the chaos I think will happen tomorrow lies with the Met and those who decided to organise a deliberately provocative protest.

We wouldn't tolerate intolerance from other groups like we have the sexism, homophobia and antisemitism from Muslims. Agreed on the return on Tommy Robinson.

[Slick]

She has to go today or Rishi looks like the child he is.

[Sandstorm]

The latest slice of Pie. Even for him this is full on, although he does have a point

Heil Braverman

[ScarfaceClaw]

Meanwhile, it would appear that a Tory donor has invested £70k in the Party and received a return of £11.5m on it, in the form of the contract to supply temporary classrooms following the RAAC debacle.

Why anyone would put money into property or the markets when there is this sort of ROI available is beyond me.

We should get a go-fund-me to raise money for a Tory “bung” (donation). The returns are epic.

[SaintK]

She has to go today or Rishi looks like the child he is.

No chance, not with the Rwanda judgement due next Wednesday. Not bthat he's got the bollocks to do it anyway!
The usual Tory right wing arseholes plus Farage and GB News rowing in behind her big time.

[ASMO]

She has to go today or Rishi looks like the child he is.

No chance, not with the Rwanda judgement due next Wednesday. Not bthat he's got the bollocks to do it anyway!
The usual Tory right wing arseholes plus Farage and GB News rowing in behind her big time.

It is the prefect time for him to bin her, if the judgement comes back saying its illegal, he can pass all the blame to her with little opportunity for her to come back. What he needs to do is find a way of sacking her and utterly destroying her credibility a way that even the Nazi wing of the party cant support her. He might know he has lost the next election, and know his days as leader are numbered, but he can certainly do all he can to fuck her chances up.

[Paddington Bear]

The Police aren't afraid of more radical sections of the Muslim community. I doubt the Police are afraid any group in that way.

What they might be afraid of is images of them batoning already marginalised people, brown people, which would recall the worst periods in colonial history.

Oh boy.

Unless the Met have been procuring ‘disperse or we will fire’ banners, live ammo and lathis I think the colonial echoes are all in the heads of people who ought to know better.

They’re afraid of groups who have a high chance of causing civil disorder if they don’t get their way. Football fans? Easy enough to contain. Feminists? They’re not rioting any time soon. Radical islamists? They can cause choas. So like an abusive husband we mustn’t upset them. This is why an imam who called for Jihad and to wipe out the Jews in South London doesn’t warrant a criminal investigation, but holding up a picture of Bradley Lowry at a football match does.

The return to social media of Tommy Robinson just in time to get some skinheads arrested tomorrow is deeply unhelpful and will make the situation worse, but the fault for the chaos I think will happen tomorrow lies with the Met and those who decided to organise a deliberately provocative protest.

We wouldn't tolerate intolerance from other groups like we have the sexism, homophobia and antisemitism from Muslims. Agreed on the return on Tommy Robinson.

100%. What has colonial echoes is treating large sections of their community as a special case, unable to adhere to modern liberal principles, and insisting on that to be treated with kid gloves and respect

[Sandstorm]

100%. What has colonial echoes is treating large sections of their community as a special case, unable to adhere to modern liberal principles, and insisting on that to be treated with kid gloves and respect

France has little time for special cases, however their youth regularly burn down their cities. Not so easy.....

[sockwithaticket]

She has to go today or Rishi looks like the child he is.

Rishi doesn't give a fuck. He knows there's no future as leader beyond the end of this parliament. All he's there to do is help Tory donors and his fellows in the already absurdly wealthy investor class with what time he has left - see the rowing back on net zero, attempts to deregulate planning at the cost of our waterways, the wholly unnecessary signing of new oil and gas drilling licenses into law etc.

[Paddington Bear]

100%. What has colonial echoes is treating large sections of their community as a special case, unable to adhere to modern liberal principles, and insisting on that to be treated with kid gloves and respect

France has little time for special cases, however their youth regularly burn down their cities. Not so easy.....

I’m not suggesting a French system by any means.
I am suggesting that any suggestion that Brits fought and died in the two world wars to allow for mass demonstrations demanding the ethnic cleansing of Jews is bollocks, I think they’re thinking of the other guys.

Given we have examples of minority communities who are pretty good at adhering to the principles of our modern society, I think it’s fairly patronising to suggest (not saying you have) that Muslims are unable to do so or are a special case. The policies of government and civic society have enabled this state of affairs

[Paddington Bear]

She has to go today or Rishi looks like the child he is.

Rishi doesn't give a fuck. He knows there's no future as leader beyond the end of this parliament. All he's there to do is help Tory donors and his fellows in the already absurdly wealthy investor class with what time he has left - see the rowing back on net zero, attempts to deregulate planning at the cost of our waterways, the wholly unnecessary signing of new oil and gas drilling licenses into law etc.

My view is that Rishi is governing in a way he’ll be able to explain when on the board of a firm like McKinsey.

[Insane_Homer]

The way I see it, Rishi can't get pushed out, the minute he gets a whif of them trying to depose him he'll just threaten to call a GE. So dumping Cruella the cunt is imminent regardless of her backers, the DM and any threat to him.

[Sandstorm]

100%. What has colonial echoes is treating large sections of their community as a special case, unable to adhere to modern liberal principles, and insisting on that to be treated with kid gloves and respect

France has little time for special cases, however their youth regularly burn down their cities. Not so easy.....

I’m not suggesting a French system by any means.
I am suggesting that any suggestion that Brits fought and died in the two world wars to allow for mass demonstrations demanding the ethnic cleansing of Jews is bollocks, I think they’re thinking of the other guys.

Given we have examples of minority communities who are pretty good at adhering to the principles of our modern society, I think it’s fairly patronising to suggest (not saying you have) that Muslims are unable to do so or are a special case. The policies of government and civic society have enabled this state of affairs

Agree with both your statements.

[tabascoboy]

"Considering"