Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Zig]

Suella Braverman, if that's your real name, isn't as bad as she seems.

If Andy Burham spoke those words there'd be a very different response.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

The way I see it, Rishi can't get pushed out, the minute he gets a whif of them trying to depose him he'll just threaten to call a GE. So dumping Cruella the cunt is imminent regardless of her backers, the DM and any threat to him.

Next week we should get the ruling on the Rwanda policy from the courts. Especially if that goes against the Home Office that would be an easier time to move against her, and not make the first job of the new incumbent to defend much which Cruella worked on

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Unless the Met have been procuring ‘disperse or we will fire’ banners, live ammo and lathis I think the colonial echoes are all in the heads of people who ought to know better.

They’re afraid of groups who have a high chance of causing civil disorder if they don’t get their way. Football fans? Easy enough to contain. Feminists? They’re not rioting any time soon. Radical islamists? They can cause choas. So like an abusive husband we mustn’t upset them.

Swings and roundabouts for the Tories. The Met also channel their institutional corruption when it comes to refusing to investigate various persons in the Tory party, whether Boris using pubic money to fund a mistress (whore?), Boris breaking the law during Covid, corruption scandals liked to PPE and track and trace, various MoD failures, Russian money, indeed funding for politicians generally.

Maybe the Tories are worse because they tend to be the ones in power so that's who the money seeks, maybe the sort of person who joins the Tories is more likely to rationalise their greed as their due.

But you don't always get the Tories complaining about the Police flat out refusing to act in case they find facts and a prosecution would be too hard to avoid

[Insane_Homer]

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[Paddington Bear]

Unless the Met have been procuring ‘disperse or we will fire’ banners, live ammo and lathis I think the colonial echoes are all in the heads of people who ought to know better.

They’re afraid of groups who have a high chance of causing civil disorder if they don’t get their way. Football fans? Easy enough to contain. Feminists? They’re not rioting any time soon. Radical islamists? They can cause choas. So like an abusive husband we mustn’t upset them.

Swings and roundabouts for the Tories. The Met also channel their institutional corruption when it comes to refusing to investigate various persons in the Tory party, whether Boris using pubic money to fund a mistress (whore?), Boris breaking the law during Covid, corruption scandals liked to PPE and track and trace, various MoD failures, Russian money, indeed funding for politicians generally.

Maybe the Tories are worse because they tend to be the ones in power so that's who the money seeks, maybe the sort of person who joins the Tories is more likely to rationalise their greed as their due.

But you don't always get the Tories complaining about the Police flat out refusing to act in case they find facts and a prosecution would be too hard to avoid

Oh they’re massive hypocrites, don’t get me wrong.
Re: unique tory corruption; it’s simply a factor of them being in government. Blair took a massive bung from Ecclestone to exempt F1 from cigarette advertising bans, christ knows how on a PM’s salary he afforded all the houses he left office with etc.

I’m not attempting to defend the Tories by pointing out what I think borders on a self-evident fact: that the Met is a poor police force doing a poor job

[C69]

Unless the Met have been procuring ‘disperse or we will fire’ banners, live ammo and lathis I think the colonial echoes are all in the heads of people who ought to know better.

They’re afraid of groups who have a high chance of causing civil disorder if they don’t get their way. Football fans? Easy enough to contain. Feminists? They’re not rioting any time soon. Radical islamists? They can cause choas. So like an abusive husband we mustn’t upset them.

Swings and roundabouts for the Tories. The Met also channel their institutional corruption when it comes to refusing to investigate various persons in the Tory party, whether Boris using pubic money to fund a mistress (whore?), Boris breaking the law during Covid, corruption scandals liked to PPE and track and trace, various MoD failures, Russian money, indeed funding for politicians generally.

Maybe the Tories are worse because they tend to be the ones in power so that's who the money seeks, maybe the sort of person who joins the Tories is more likely to rationalise their greed as their due.

But you don't always get the Tories complaining about the Police flat out refusing to act in case they find facts and a prosecution would be too hard to avoid

Oh they’re massive hypocrites, don’t get me wrong.
Re: unique tory corruption; it’s simply a factor of them being in government. Blair took a massive bung from Ecclestone to exempt F1 from cigarette advertising bans, christ knows how on a PM’s salary he afforded all the houses he left office with etc.

I’m not attempting to defend the Tories by pointing out what I think borders on a self-evident fact: that the Met is a poor police force doing a poor job

Totally agree that the Met are an institutionally racist, homophobic and misogynistic organisation. They are appalling agreed
But to suggest they show left wing bias is utter dog wank.

[Paddington Bear]

Swings and roundabouts for the Tories. The Met also channel their institutional corruption when it comes to refusing to investigate various persons in the Tory party, whether Boris using pubic money to fund a mistress (whore?), Boris breaking the law during Covid, corruption scandals liked to PPE and track and trace, various MoD failures, Russian money, indeed funding for politicians generally.

Maybe the Tories are worse because they tend to be the ones in power so that's who the money seeks, maybe the sort of person who joins the Tories is more likely to rationalise their greed as their due.

But you don't always get the Tories complaining about the Police flat out refusing to act in case they find facts and a prosecution would be too hard to avoid

Oh they’re massive hypocrites, don’t get me wrong.
Re: unique tory corruption; it’s simply a factor of them being in government. Blair took a massive bung from Ecclestone to exempt F1 from cigarette advertising bans, christ knows how on a PM’s salary he afforded all the houses he left office with etc.

I’m not attempting to defend the Tories by pointing out what I think borders on a self-evident fact: that the Met is a poor police force doing a poor job

Totally agree that the Met are an institutionally racist, homophobic and misogynistic organisation. They are appalling agreed
But to suggest they show left wing bias is utter dog wank.

I’m not suggesting they do, they show bias towards groups they’re scared of. It isn’t a left/right equation

[C69]

Oh they’re massive hypocrites, don’t get me wrong.
Re: unique tory corruption; it’s simply a factor of them being in government. Blair took a massive bung from Ecclestone to exempt F1 from cigarette advertising bans, christ knows how on a PM’s salary he afforded all the houses he left office with etc.

I’m not attempting to defend the Tories by pointing out what I think borders on a self-evident fact: that the Met is a poor police force doing a poor job

Totally agree that the Met are an institutionally racist, homophobic and misogynistic organisation. They are appalling agreed
But to suggest they show left wing bias is utter dog wank.

I’m not suggesting they do, they show bias towards groups they’re scared of. It isn’t a left/right equation

I'm not suggesting you did, for clarity the assertion was about Suella.
Who must have had a nose job.

[sockwithaticket]

"There is a world of just the private sector getting on with it, and a world that wants to basically play to a base of the Telegraph, GB News, that doesn’t represent reality. This has caused a myopic focus in Westminster and Whitehall which I’ve seen as being behind the curve on issues that are not the issues that will encourage economic investment in this country.”

Skidmore said he was particularly angry about attacks on the Climate Change Committee, an independent body that advises the government on five-year “carbon budgets” necessary to meet its 2050 target, which has been politicised of late by politicians and the media.

“There have been specific attacks coming from the Telegraph, claiming that it has powers that it does not have. It’s an advisory body. It doesn’t have any ability to make specific policy recommendations. All it does is report on the impact of the government’s policy recommendations. This is another classic case of misinformation.”

Strong words from the architect of Net Zero, Chris Skudmore MP.

He says elsewhere that the current Tory party has no vision for the future, but that Starmer's Labour do.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... s-skidmore

[Slick]

Who, on gods earth, would have an affair with Gove!

[C69]

Who, on gods earth, would have an affair with Gove!

Has he been named?

[Slick]

Who, on gods earth, would have an affair with Gove!

Has he been named?

Not a gay in the country that would do that

[sefton]

100%. What has colonial echoes is treating large sections of their community as a special case, unable to adhere to modern liberal principles, and insisting on that to be treated with kid gloves and respect

France has little time for special cases, however their youth regularly burn down their cities. Not so easy.....

I’m not suggesting a French system by any means.
I am suggesting that any suggestion that Brits fought and died in the two world wars to allow for mass demonstrations demanding the ethnic cleansing of Jews is bollocks, I think they’re thinking of the other guys.

Given we have examples of minority communities who are pretty good at adhering to the principles of our modern society, I think it’s fairly patronising to suggest (not saying you have) that Muslims are unable to do so or are a special case. The policies of government and civic society have enabled this state of affairs

The real bollocks is that statement, there are a small minority who will believe that but to misrepresent what the majority of people marching believe is completely disingenuous.

[Biffer]

100%. What has colonial echoes is treating large sections of their community as a special case, unable to adhere to modern liberal principles, and insisting on that to be treated with kid gloves and respect

France has little time for special cases, however their youth regularly burn down their cities. Not so easy.....

I’m not suggesting a French system by any means.
I am suggesting that any suggestion that Brits fought and died in the two world wars to allow for mass demonstrations demanding the ethnic cleansing of Jews is bollocks, I think they’re thinking of the other guys.

Given we have examples of minority communities who are pretty good at adhering to the principles of our modern society, I think it’s fairly patronising to suggest (not saying you have) that Muslims are unable to do so or are a special case. The policies of government and civic society have enabled this state of affairs

If you believe that the march and all the people on it are demanding ethnic cleansing of Jews, then well done, that's exactly what the daily mail wants you to think.

[Ymx]

Piers suggesting not all protesters are extremists. Murray makes a fair point on what protestors are knowingly marching alongside.

[C69]

Piers suggesting not all protesters are extremists. Murray makes a fair point on what protestors are knowingly marching alongside.

Not really it was a child like comparison tbh.
Did you vote for Brexit?

[Muttonbird]

Piers suggesting not all protesters are extremists. Murray makes a fair point on what protestors are knowingly marching alongside.

The alternative is marching alongside Tommy Robinson. I know which side I'm on.

[Uncle fester]

Why is this getting posted across two threads?

[C69]

YMX are you aware of the Murray character?
He has some pretty vile views he is an Islamophobic cnut who has frequently had to apologise and retract his comments.
He does not distinguish between Islamic Zealots from normal followers of Islam.
Imagine if the cnut Morgan was interviewing a rabid Antisemite that wanted the Jews destroyed.
Murray represents the polar opposite of this regarding objectivity and reason. He has none.
He has actually toned things done and tried to disassociate himself from his earlier far right associates.
And tries to cancel anyone that calls him out on his views.

[C69]

Why is this getting posted across two threads?

I pointed this out earlier.

[Uncle fester]

Neediness and trolling?

[Uncle fester]

YMX are you aware of the Murray character?
He has some pretty vile views he is an Islamophobic cnut who has frequently had to apologise and retract his comments.
He does not distinguish between Islamic Zealots from normal followers of Islam.
Imagine if the cnut Morgan was interviewing a rabid Antisemite that wanted the Jews destroyed.
Murray represents the polar opposite of this regarding objectivity and reason. He has none.
He has actually toned things done and tried to disassociate himself from his earlier far right associates.
And tries to cancel anyone that calls him out on his views.

Stuff like this is lost on him.

[Paddington Bear]

France has little time for special cases, however their youth regularly burn down their cities. Not so easy.....

I’m not suggesting a French system by any means.
I am suggesting that any suggestion that Brits fought and died in the two world wars to allow for mass demonstrations demanding the ethnic cleansing of Jews is bollocks, I think they’re thinking of the other guys.

Given we have examples of minority communities who are pretty good at adhering to the principles of our modern society, I think it’s fairly patronising to suggest (not saying you have) that Muslims are unable to do so or are a special case. The policies of government and civic society have enabled this state of affairs

If you believe that the march and all the people on it are demanding ethnic cleansing of Jews, then well done, that's exactly what the daily mail wants you to think.

I don’t read the Daily Mail. I do, however, have the evidence of my eyes and ears and knowledge of some of the people marching. Not everyone marching is an anti-semite, it is in no way anti-semitic to criticise Israel (I have no love for them or more particularly their government), but anti-semitic views will not be in the minority on the march later today.

[Biffer]

I’m not suggesting a French system by any means.
I am suggesting that any suggestion that Brits fought and died in the two world wars to allow for mass demonstrations demanding the ethnic cleansing of Jews is bollocks, I think they’re thinking of the other guys.

Given we have examples of minority communities who are pretty good at adhering to the principles of our modern society, I think it’s fairly patronising to suggest (not saying you have) that Muslims are unable to do so or are a special case. The policies of government and civic society have enabled this state of affairs

If you believe that the march and all the people on it are demanding ethnic cleansing of Jews, then well done, that's exactly what the daily mail wants you to think.

I don’t read the Daily Mail. I do, however, have the evidence of my eyes and ears and knowledge of some of the people marching. Not everyone marching is an anti-semite, it is in no way anti-semitic to criticise Israel (I have no love for them or more particularly their government), but anti-semitic views will not be in the minority on the march later today.

Do you think the majority on the march want the ethnic cleansing of jews?

[Paddington Bear]

If you believe that the march and all the people on it are demanding ethnic cleansing of Jews, then well done, that's exactly what the daily mail wants you to think.

I don’t read the Daily Mail. I do, however, have the evidence of my eyes and ears and knowledge of some of the people marching. Not everyone marching is an anti-semite, it is in no way anti-semitic to criticise Israel (I have no love for them or more particularly their government), but anti-semitic views will not be in the minority on the march later today.

Do you think the majority on the march want the ethnic cleansing of jews?

On the march later today? Yeah I think so, some will be pretty overt about it

[C69]

I don’t read the Daily Mail. I do, however, have the evidence of my eyes and ears and knowledge of some of the people marching. Not everyone marching is an anti-semite, it is in no way anti-semitic to criticise Israel (I have no love for them or more particularly their government), but anti-semitic views will not be in the minority on the march later today.

Do you think the majority on the march want the ethnic cleansing of jews?

On the march later today? Yeah I think so, some will be pretty overt about it

You think the majority will be anti-Semites?
Even the Jewish protestors?

[Muttonbird]

Could someone please rescue Paddington Bear from his rabbit hole?

[Biffer]

I don’t read the Daily Mail. I do, however, have the evidence of my eyes and ears and knowledge of some of the people marching. Not everyone marching is an anti-semite, it is in no way anti-semitic to criticise Israel (I have no love for them or more particularly their government), but anti-semitic views will not be in the minority on the march later today.

Do you think the majority on the march want the ethnic cleansing of jews?

On the march later today? Yeah I think so, some will be pretty overt about it

You don't have to read the Daily Mail to swallow their bullshit.

[Ymx]

YMX are you aware of the Murray character?
He has some pretty vile views he is an Islamophobic cnut who has frequently had to apologise and retract his comments.
He does not distinguish between Islamic Zealots from normal followers of Islam.
Imagine if the cnut Morgan was interviewing a rabid Antisemite that wanted the Jews destroyed.
Murray represents the polar opposite of this regarding objectivity and reason. He has none.
He has actually toned things done and tried to disassociate himself from his earlier far right associates.
And tries to cancel anyone that calls him out on his views.

Forgive me if I don’t take your opinion on the political spectrum.

[Ymx]

All peaceful co-existing causes.



Yeah right.

[Paddington Bear]

Do you think the majority on the march want the ethnic cleansing of jews?

On the march later today? Yeah I think so, some will be pretty overt about it

You don't have to read the Daily Mail to swallow their bullshit.

Lets give it a few hours and see. No doubt we’re about due our weekly dose of being told to contextualise calls for jihad and that ‘from the river to the sea’ is simply referring to geography

[Muttonbird]

YMX are you aware of the Murray character?
He has some pretty vile views he is an Islamophobic cnut who has frequently had to apologise and retract his comments.
He does not distinguish between Islamic Zealots from normal followers of Islam.
Imagine if the cnut Morgan was interviewing a rabid Antisemite that wanted the Jews destroyed.
Murray represents the polar opposite of this regarding objectivity and reason. He has none.
He has actually toned things done and tried to disassociate himself from his earlier far right associates.
And tries to cancel anyone that calls him out on his views.

Forgive me if I don’t take your opinion on the political spectrum.

You've stolen the image of Sam Whitelock to use in your islamophobic diatribes. He'd be ashamed of your comments, I'm sure.

[Muttonbird]

On the march later today? Yeah I think so, some will be pretty overt about it

You don't have to read the Daily Mail to swallow their bullshit.

Lets give it a few hours and see. No doubt we’re about due our weekly dose of being told to contextualise calls for jihad and that ‘from the river to the sea’ is simply referring to geography

Huge retreat there. Great to see, and apology accepted.

[C69]

YMX are you aware of the Murray character?
He has some pretty vile views he is an Islamophobic cnut who has frequently had to apologise and retract his comments.
He does not distinguish between Islamic Zealots from normal followers of Islam.
Imagine if the cnut Morgan was interviewing a rabid Antisemite that wanted the Jews destroyed.
Murray represents the polar opposite of this regarding objectivity and reason. He has none.
He has actually toned things done and tried to disassociate himself from his earlier far right associates.
And tries to cancel anyone that calls him out on his views.

Forgive me if I don’t take your opinion on the political spectrum.

This post has nothing to do with political spectrum.
It's more specifically about the views of a political commentator who has a profound distrust and dislike of Islam.
He is the embodiment of Islamophobia.
Have you see his bibliography or read any of his musings.
If you had you may share his opinions but you could not say he did not have a rather skewed vision.

[C T]

Oh boy.

Unless the Met have been procuring ‘disperse or we will fire’ banners, live ammo and lathis I think the colonial echoes are all in the heads of people who ought to know better.

They’re afraid of groups who have a high chance of causing civil disorder if they don’t get their way. Football fans? Easy enough to contain. Feminists? They’re not rioting any time soon. Radical islamists? They can cause choas. So like an abusive husband we mustn’t upset them. This is why an imam who called for Jihad and to wipe out the Jews in South London doesn’t warrant a criminal investigation, but holding up a picture of Bradley Lowry at a football match does.

The return to social media of Tommy Robinson just in time to get some skinheads arrested tomorrow is deeply unhelpful and will make the situation worse, but the fault for the chaos I think will happen tomorrow lies with the Met and those who decided to organise a deliberately provocative protest.

Are we not reserving some of the blame for those whipping this up into a frenzy?

Can't help but think that this would have stood more chance of passing without incident without all of that.

Of course now there will be more meatheads from both side there and if something does happen both sides will blame the other.

A fresh culture war, hurrah!

[SaintK]

Braverman's interventions going to plan. Looks like the EDL or other right wing nutters are kicking off

The large crowd of people bearing St George’s flags was seen walking along Embankment and shouting “England till I die”.
A line of police attempted to stop them from reaching Whitehall but the group pushed through, with some shouting “let’s have them” as officers hit out with batons.

[Slick]

Ben Jamal, the director of the Palestinian Solidarity Campaign (PSC), a lead organiser of today’s march, has said that the rally will avoid the Cenotaph and the area around Whitehall in central London.

In his role as the leading official in Europe’s largest Palestinian rights organisation, Jamal, 60, told the Today programme on BBC: “We knew it was going to be November the 11th, we said to the police we did not want to be anywhere near Whitehall on November the 11th, we did not want to disrupt preparations for the commemoration of Remembrance Day on the Sunday.”

He claimed Suella Braverman, the home secretary, had been told that the march would avoid the area where the memorial is located before she described pro-Palestinian demonstrations as “hate marches” in an article she wrote in The Times.

Jamal said: “It is inconceivable, unless she doesn’t speak to the police, that the home secretary did not know that when she made her remarks”.

No protest march is planned for Remembrance Sunday.

[Simian]

Ben Jamal, the director of the Palestinian Solidarity Campaign (PSC), a lead organiser of today’s march, has said that the rally will avoid the Cenotaph and the area around Whitehall in central London.

In his role as the leading official in Europe’s largest Palestinian rights organisation, Jamal, 60, told the Today programme on BBC: “We knew it was going to be November the 11th, we said to the police we did not want to be anywhere near Whitehall on November the 11th, we did not want to disrupt preparations for the commemoration of Remembrance Day on the Sunday.”

He claimed Suella Braverman, the home secretary, had been told that the march would avoid the area where the memorial is located before she described pro-Palestinian demonstrations as “hate marches” in an article she wrote in The Times.

Jamal said: “It is inconceivable, unless she doesn’t speak to the police, that the home secretary did not know that when she made her remarks”.

No protest march is planned for Remembrance Sunday.

Yup. And, to the surprise of absolutely nobody, the trouble and violence has been kicked off by the far right nutters that listen to her.

[sockwithaticket]

I watched a PolJOe clip about this where they said the march had never been intended to go anywhere near the Cenotaph, bringing it up as a possibility was only ever intended to get EDL types riled up. And that's been achieved. It's getting a bit eerily reminiscent of brownshirts.

[Biffer]

Unsurprisingly Stephen Yaxley Lennon in the middle of the fuckwits fighting with the cops at the cenotaph