What's wrong with distrusting or disliking Islam. Seems an pretty sensiible thing to doC69 wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 9:56 amThis post has nothing to do with political spectrum.Ymx wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 9:40 amForgive me if I don’t take your opinion on the political spectrum.C69 wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:14 am YMX are you aware of the Murray character?
He has some pretty vile views he is an Islamophobic cnut who has frequently had to apologise and retract his comments.
He does not distinguish between Islamic Zealots from normal followers of Islam.
Imagine if the cnut Morgan was interviewing a rabid Antisemite that wanted the Jews destroyed.
Murray represents the polar opposite of this regarding objectivity and reason. He has none.
He has actually toned things done and tried to disassociate himself from his earlier far right associates.
And tries to cancel anyone that calls him out on his views.
It's more specifically about the views of a political commentator who has a profound distrust and dislike of Islam.
He is the embodiment of Islamophobia.
Have you see his bibliography or read any of his musings.
If you had you may share his opinions but you could not say he did not have a rather skewed vision.
Stop voting for fucking Tories
Incitement to riot?Biffer wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 11:16 am Unsurprisingly Stephen Yaxley Lennon in the middle of the fuckwits fighting with the cops at the cenotaph
Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, the former co-leader of the English Defence League, which staged often violent demonstrations against Islam, has posted videos showing he is among the crowds massing in central London on social media
Previously, he called for his supporters to come to the capital.
“We want to show the world that the British people ain’t having it,” Yaxley-Lennon, who goes by the name of Tommy Robinson, said on a social media video. “So … I hope this Saturday I see as many of you as possible in London.”
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..and there it is. Far-right nutters, as expected, after being whipped up by Cruella the cunt et al, as planned, are the ones violently clashing with the police today. Shocked, really shocked... 
https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-rep ... h-13005216

https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-rep ... h-13005216
“Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.”
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And just check out the photo used by the Evening Standard which they had to withdraw after complaints...Insane_Homer wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 11:37 am ..and there it is. Far-right nutters, as expected, after being whipped up by Cruella the cunt et al, as planned, are the ones violently clashing with the police today. Shocked, really shocked...
https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-rep ... h-13005216
The tourists in central LOndonmust be wondering what the fuck is going on!Insane_Homer wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 11:37 am ..and there it is. Far-right nutters, as expected, after being whipped up by Cruella the cunt et al, as planned, are the ones violently clashing with the police today. Shocked, really shocked...
https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-rep ... h-13005216
Braverman should be sacked tomorrow without failViolent clashes broke out, with protesters chanting: “You’re not English any more” towards officers.
Police managed to disperse the crowd, splitting them into two smaller groups.
The protesters were last seen running through Chinatown in the direction of Piccadilly Circus.
Outbreaks of disorder marred Armistice Day as hundreds of football fans and members of the far right gathered by the Cenotaph on Whitehall.
A number of them explicitly stated that they had come because of Home Secretary Suella Braverman’s comments over pro-Palestinian “hate marches” and that police treated them unfavourably compared to “politically correct minority groups.”
Former EDL founder Tommy Robinson was among a number of far right figures present.
In the build up to the two-minute silence elements of the crowd broke down metal gates to get closer to the Cenotaph.
Later, dozens of those present could be seen - some holding Israeli flags - attempting to reach the pro-Palestinian march with the Met’s Territorial Support Group intercepting them.
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How predictable. Right wing yobs pick a fight with the police
faces when the police respond.
Just waiting for a spokesperson (presumably Yaxley-Lennon once he gets far enough away) to brand the Met woke.

Just waiting for a spokesperson (presumably Yaxley-Lennon once he gets far enough away) to brand the Met woke.
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I wonder how he knew to leave just before the police arrived?
How predictable is this?sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 12:43 pm How predictable. Right wing yobs pick a fight with the policefaces when the police respond.
Just waiting for a spokesperson (presumably Yaxley-Lennon once he gets far enough away) to brand the Met woke.
Agreed, I suspect there will be many more chants of this nature.Ymx wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:02 pmHow predictable is this?sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 12:43 pm How predictable. Right wing yobs pick a fight with the policefaces when the police respond.
Just waiting for a spokesperson (presumably Yaxley-Lennon once he gets far enough away) to brand the Met woke.
Very predictable.
Someone get food poisoning at a caf near Paddington?sefton wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:56 pm Can we politics to one side for one moment and rally around to support one of our own, I’m going to set up a Just Giving page to raise any bail money for our mate DAC in case he has got himself into a spot of bother in London.
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Sadly, very. Although I'd point out that however horrible their rhetoric, they're not actually attacking anyone.Ymx wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:02 pmHow predictable is this?sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 12:43 pm How predictable. Right wing yobs pick a fight with the policefaces when the police respond.
Just waiting for a spokesperson (presumably Yaxley-Lennon once he gets far enough away) to brand the Met woke.
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In more positive news, the Restore Trust Tufton Street mob have been given short shrift at the National Trust AGM once more, but no doubt they'll be back again and again until circumstances go in their favour, and that's that...
Give them some timesockwithaticket wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:04 pmSadly, very. Although I'd point out that however horrible their rhetoric, they're not actually attacking anyone.Ymx wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:02 pmHow predictable is this?sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 12:43 pm How predictable. Right wing yobs pick a fight with the policefaces when the police respond.
Just waiting for a spokesperson (presumably Yaxley-Lennon once he gets far enough away) to brand the Met woke.
Why is it you dislike and distrust Muslims so much?Calculon wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:02 pmGive them some timesockwithaticket wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:04 pmSadly, very. Although I'd point out that however horrible their rhetoric, they're not actually attacking anyone.
They are no different to any other religious group imho.
I have a general dislike and distrust of Islam, somewhat môre so than my dislike and distrust of Christianity. Largely based on personal experienceC69 wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:28 pmWhy is it you dislike and distrust Muslims so much?Calculon wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:02 pmGive them some timesockwithaticket wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:04 pm
Sadly, very. Although I'd point out that however horrible their rhetoric, they're not actually attacking anyone.
They are no different to any other religious group imho.
And if you're referring to those, probable, Muslims in the video clip, I do dislike them and distrust them. Mainly cos they're calling for the ethnic cleansing of Jews.
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Fair enough. What about Jews, Pastafarians and Buddhists ?Calculon wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:38 pmI have a general dislike and distrust of Islam, somewhat môre so than my dislike and distrust of Christianity. Largely based on personal experience
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We need to be wary of Islamaphobia, but come on. Over the last 20 years there's only one religious group carrying out terror attacks in the West and there's all sorts of troubling polling out there about levels of support of incidents like the Charlie Hebdo attacks and beheading of the French teacher who tried to use pictures of Mohammad to cover the concept of intolerance. Islam is far more problematic for us than say Sikhism or Judaism.C69 wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:28 pmWhy is it you dislike and distrust Muslims so much?Calculon wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:02 pmGive them some timesockwithaticket wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:04 pm
Sadly, very. Although I'd point out that however horrible their rhetoric, they're not actually attacking anyone.
They are no different to any other religious group imho.
Of course things are different in other parts of the world. e.g. Buddhist monks accused of participating in violent anti-Muslim mobs in Burma.
What about them? The Jews and Buddhist I've known have been OK, one of my closest friends is half Jewish, not met any of the other one.C69 wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:42 pmFair enough. What about Jews, Pastafarians and Buddhists ?Calculon wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:38 pmI have a general dislike and distrust of Islam, somewhat môre so than my dislike and distrust of Christianity. Largely based on personal experienceC69 wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:28 pm
Why is it you dislike and distrust Muslims so much?
They are no different to any other religious group imho.
Don’t be ridiculousC69 wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:28 pmWhy is it you dislike and distrust Muslims so much?Calculon wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:02 pmGive them some timesockwithaticket wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:04 pm
Sadly, very. Although I'd point out that however horrible their rhetoric, they're not actually attacking anyone.
They are no different to any other religious group imho.
All the money you made will never buy back your soul
What Slick said. No other religion has 21st century fundamentalism.
Sandstorm wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 7:08 pmWhat Slick said. No other religion has 21st century fundamentalism.

I don't think you understand what fundamentalism is
hint its not the same as extremism.
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Perhaps, but of the major religions to exist in the Occident it'd be fair to say Islam is the most misogynistic, most homophobic..., and this despite the actual wordings of their particular pleadings to a sky fairyyermum wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 7:17 pm
etc etc lots of religions have fundamentalists
weird to think its exclusive to Islam
Perhaps some of the genesis for this lies at the hands of Christians and illegals wars and failures of the West.sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:49 pmWe need to be wary of Islamaphobia, but come on. Over the last 20 years there's only one religious group carrying out terror attacks in the West and there's all sorts of troubling polling out there about levels of support of incidents like the Charlie Hebdo attacks and beheading of the French teacher who tried to use pictures of Mohammad to cover the concept of intolerance. Islam is far more problematic for us than say Sikhism or Judaism.
Of course things are different in other parts of the world. e.g. Buddhist monks accused of participating in violent anti-Muslim mobs in Burma.
Iraq, Libya an s Afghanistan.
Remember a million dead in Iraq and Bush asserted God told him his actions were just FFS. Blair and Bush doing the work of Jesus father.
Gtfo if you think they were doing the work of Christ but they stated they were.
Same as the HAMAS scum now.
All of which was caused Bin Laden deciding to stage a spectacular attack on the US mostly because it was an ally of a Saudi regime he hated .C69 wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 7:31 pmPerhaps some of the genesis for this lies at the hands of Christians and illegals wars and failures of the West.sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:49 pmWe need to be wary of Islamaphobia, but come on. Over the last 20 years there's only one religious group carrying out terror attacks in the West and there's all sorts of troubling polling out there about levels of support of incidents like the Charlie Hebdo attacks and beheading of the French teacher who tried to use pictures of Mohammad to cover the concept of intolerance. Islam is far more problematic for us than say Sikhism or Judaism.C69 wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:28 pm
Why is it you dislike and distrust Muslims so much?
They are no different to any other religious group imho.
Of course things are different in other parts of the world. e.g. Buddhist monks accused of participating in violent anti-Muslim mobs in Burma.
Iraq, Libya an s Afghanistan.
Remember a million dead in Iraq and Bush asserted God told him his actions were just FFS. Blair and Bush doing the work of Jesus father.
Gtfo if you think they were doing the work of Christ but they stated they were.
Same as the HAMAS scum now.
Arguably the disastrous interventions in the middle east drove some to extremism but hard-line attitudes have always existed - the polling is pretty stark.
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Oklahoma city bombing and the 2011 Norway attacks, to pick just two, were carried out by Muslims?sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:49 pmWe need to be wary of Islamaphobia, but come on. Over the last 20 years there's only one religious group carrying out terror attacks in the West and there's all sorts of troubling polling out there about levels of support of incidents like the Charlie Hebdo attacks and beheading of the French teacher who tried to use pictures of Mohammad to cover the concept of intolerance. Islam is far more problematic for us than say Sikhism or Judaism.
Of course things are different in other parts of the world. e.g. Buddhist monks accused of participating in violent anti-Muslim mobs in Burma.
Or the Christchurch mosque shootings?
4 crazy Christians? 5? Completely dwarfed by the number of violent terrorist acts committed in the name of Islam in the last 25 years.Uncle fester wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:04 pmOklahoma city bombing and the 2011 Norway attacks, to pick just two, were carried out by Muslims?sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:49 pmWe need to be wary of Islamaphobia, but come on. Over the last 20 years there's only one religious group carrying out terror attacks in the West and there's all sorts of troubling polling out there about levels of support of incidents like the Charlie Hebdo attacks and beheading of the French teacher who tried to use pictures of Mohammad to cover the concept of intolerance. Islam is far more problematic for us than say Sikhism or Judaism.C69 wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:28 pm
Why is it you dislike and distrust Muslims so much?
They are no different to any other religious group imho.
Of course things are different in other parts of the world. e.g. Buddhist monks accused of participating in violent anti-Muslim mobs in Burma.
Or the Christchurch mosque shootings?
Stuff it, I’m going to do something less annoying.
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My point being is that this is demonstrably untrue.Over the last 20 years there's only one religious group carrying out terror attacks in the West
Yes, you did find just 2.Uncle fester wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:04 pmOklahoma city bombing and the 2011 Norway attacks, to pick just two, were carried out by Muslims?sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:49 pmWe need to be wary of Islamaphobia, but come on. Over the last 20 years there's only one religious group carrying out terror attacks in the West and there's all sorts of troubling polling out there about levels of support of incidents like the Charlie Hebdo attacks and beheading of the French teacher who tried to use pictures of Mohammad to cover the concept of intolerance. Islam is far more problematic for us than say Sikhism or Judaism.C69 wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:28 pm
Why is it you dislike and distrust Muslims so much?
They are no different to any other religious group imho.
Of course things are different in other parts of the world. e.g. Buddhist monks accused of participating in violent anti-Muslim mobs in Burma.
Or the Christchurch mosque shootings?
This is a mental line of argument
All the money you made will never buy back your soul
This is an extremely one eyed take on things. You get that, right?sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:49 pmWe need to be wary of Islamaphobia, but come on. Over the last 20 years there's only one religious group carrying out terror attacks in the West and there's all sorts of troubling polling out there about levels of support of incidents like the Charlie Hebdo attacks and beheading of the French teacher who tried to use pictures of Mohammad to cover the concept of intolerance. Islam is far more problematic for us than say Sikhism or Judaism.
Of course things are different in other parts of the world. e.g. Buddhist monks accused of participating in violent anti-Muslim mobs in Burma.