Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Ymx]

What are you talking about? I clearly said most of them were old. I didn’t say all of them.

[sefton]

Many of those reports are based on very old met.

In the meantime, there has been significant recent developments in regards to different (two tier) policing based on cohort, and which clearly does need to be properly investigated. I hope they do.

But not all, whereas all you have is an anonymous statement.

[Ymx]

Many of those reports are based on very old met.

In the meantime, there has been significant recent developments in regards to different (two tier) policing based on cohort, and which clearly does need to be properly investigated. I hope they do.

But not all, whereas all you have is an anonymous statement.

Well, that and what we have all just witnessed. But fair, and I will read that Casey report as it flies in the face of current intuition. Then again, it might have been the final catalyst for the swing.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

trying to paint the Met as left wing or progressive liberals isn't quite as nuts as Liz Truss claiming she was cruelly undermined by a cabal of left wing international bond traders, but it's certainly either delusional or a comment being made in bad faith

I disagree, YMX has a right to his opinions. I sincerely believe is posting in good faith and that he believes what he posts.

Delusional or in bad faith. I didn't limit to bad faith, and I didn't say people aren't allowed to believe in untruths

[sefton]

Many of those reports are based on very old met.

In the meantime, there has been significant recent developments in regards to different (two tier) policing based on cohort, and which clearly does need to be properly investigated. I hope they do.

But not all, whereas all you have is an anonymous statement.

Well, that and what we have all just witnessed. But fair, and I will read that Casey report as it flies in the face of current intuition. Then again, it might have been the final catalyst for the swing.

What we witnessed is your fellow travellers turning up armed to an armistice ceremony and attacking the police.

[Sandstorm]

He’s still digging….

[Biffer]

Many of those reports are based on very old met.

In the meantime, there has been significant recent developments in regards to different (two tier) policing based on cohort, and which clearly does need to be properly investigated. I hope they do.

But not all, whereas all you have is an anonymous statement.

Well, that and what we have all just witnessed. But fair, and I will read that Casey report as it flies in the face of current intuition. Then again, it might have been the final catalyst for the swing.

There is the possibility that your intuition is flawed. If you refuse to consider that, you're not being open minded.

[shaggy]

But not all, whereas all you have is an anonymous statement.

Well, that and what we have all just witnessed. But fair, and I will read that Casey report as it flies in the face of current intuition. Then again, it might have been the final catalyst for the swing.

There is the possibility that your intuition is flawed. If you refuse to consider that, you're not being open minded.

Not sure you can class the response to the article as open minded.

[Ymx]

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[Ymx]

But not all, whereas all you have is an anonymous statement.

Well, that and what we have all just witnessed. But fair, and I will read that Casey report as it flies in the face of current intuition. Then again, it might have been the final catalyst for the swing.

What we witnessed is your fellow travellers turning up armed to an armistice ceremony and attacking the police.

Mine?!! I see what you’re doing.

Yet they get arrested, meanwhile your fellow terrorists get away with wearing Hamas kit. And attacking police with fireworks without consequence.

[Ymx]

This is a stark admission

[C69]

Well, that and what we have all just witnessed. But fair, and I will read that Casey report as it flies in the face of current intuition. Then again, it might have been the final catalyst for the swing.

What we witnessed is your fellow travellers turning up armed to an armistice ceremony and attacking the police.

Mine?!! I see what you’re doing.

Yet they get arrested, meanwhile your fellow terrorists get away with wearing Hamas kit. And attacking police with fireworks without consequence.

You think Sefton is n actual terrorist?
I think you had better apologise.

You do realise the term fellow travellers is very different term with very different connotations

[Paddington Bear]

The police are scared of the pro-palestine protestors, it’s been blindingly obvious for weeks if impolite to point out. Coked up idiot football hooligans are well within their comfort zone, both in terms of giving them a whacking and as a talking point

[C69]

The police are scared of the pro-palestine protestors, it’s been blindingly obvious for weeks if impolite to point out. Coked up idiot football hooligans are well within their comfort zone, both in terms of giving them a whacking and as a talking point

Why do you feel the police are scared?
Do you still think 150+ protestors would like Israel ethnically cleansed?

[Insane_Homer]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-67370421

She's gone!

[Ymx]

That will be the last few Tory voters gone.

[Paddington Bear]

The police are scared of the pro-palestine protestors, it’s been blindingly obvious for weeks if impolite to point out. Coked up idiot football hooligans are well within their comfort zone, both in terms of giving them a whacking and as a talking point

Why do you feel the police are scared?
Do you still think 150+ protestors would like Israel ethnically cleansed?

Because they’re worried about civil disorder that they’d struggle to control. Nutcases like the blokes at the cenotaph are foul and can’t be any fun to police, but in the end every police force in the country deals with them every Saturday, and they get very little wider sympathy even on the odd occasion they are actually hard done by. The contrast is obvious.

As for the protest, you can find plenty online to come to your own judgments about the beliefs on display at the march, that seem to range from very well meaning and genuine hope for peace and reconciliation to men saying Hitler didn’t go far enough. I heard plenty on the train into town Saturday morning that reinforced what I was already thinking about it.

[Hal Jordan]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-67370421

She's gone!

Buried in a Cabinet reshuffle. Everything he does is weak.

[tabascoboy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-67370421

She's gone!

Buried in a Cabinet reshuffle. Everything he does is weak.

But like a turd that just won't flush - she'll won't go away...

OMG replaced by...?

Is James Cleverly about to replace Suella Braverman?

[Ymx]

I wonder if we will see a vote of no confidence- again.

Hope so!

[_Os_]

Good on her if true !!

It's clearly what she wants to do and she's a very stupid person so it's not surprising she wants to do that.

The pro-Palestine protests have happened multiple times and are extremely large, in total more than a million people have protested and the amount of disorder looks to be completely minimal. The right wing counter protest has happened once, was at most 1k people, and involved storming the Cenotaph, fighting with police at the Cenotaph and in Soho, and intimidating/assaulting the public in a train station. One protest is 99%+ peaceful, the other is mostly violent.

What this is about is shutting down opinions the government doesn't like. The Tories have brought in numerous anti-free speech and anti-protest laws to that end.

But what do they think is going to happen when Labour are in power? Labour have already said they're repealing none of the legislation, it would take up too much parliamentary time and the famous unwritten constitution works by brining in new legislation to supersede the old legislation. None of this will be a priority.

New Labour give an idea of what will happen. They left the Thatcher era anti-protest laws in place, just as all the post-2010 authoritarian Tory laws will be left in place. The full weight of those laws will then be directed at the right wing. You will not be able to protest against anything surrounding migration/race/religion without the risk of severe punishment. To give an idea of what that means, there's climate change protestors that have been jailed for half a year awaiting trial, and others that have been sentenced to 5 years. It'll partly be ideological but mostly it'll be technocratic, the Labour right/New Labour position is that for the most part the structure of the UK is fine it just needs proper management, stomping on anything right of the Tories will be part of that better management. It's an open secret that Starmer's chief of staff is a spook, there's some other spooky people knocking about, expect odd things to start happening similar to what happened under New Labour, like the entire membership list of right wing organisations with full names and addresses being leaked into the public. You'll be able to be a member of "Random Anti-Muslim Group", but you'll have to be okay with maybe every Islamist and anti-fascist knowing where your family lives.

Banning speech/protests you disagree with after minimal disorder, is an interesting precedent. No one will regret that 5 or 10 years into a Labour government that aren't morons and actually try to use the law, rather than fighting the law or making extreme new laws as a flex to look tough for one news cycle.

[C69]

I wonder if we will see a vote of no confidence- again.

Hope so!

Do you mean for Rishi?

[Insane_Homer]

I wonder if we will see a vote of no confidence- again.

Hope so!

Yep, he'll just call a GE

[tabascoboy]

So, no bets will be taken on the Shitwitch kicking off a leadership bid...

I'm told that Prime Minister Rishi Sunak asked Braverman to leave the government - not just the Home Office and the post of home secretary, but the government entirely. And she accepted.

My understanding is, had she been offered another job in government - certainly a more junior job than the high office of state that she was occupying - it was unlikely she would accept it.

and

David Cameron - the new foreign secretary?

[C69]

I wonder if we will see a vote of no confidence- again.

Hope so!

Yep, he'll just call a GE

Hope so.

[tabascoboy]

OMG replaced by...?

Is James Cleverly about to replace Suella Braverman?

Confirmed - well at least he seems mainly just useless rather than evil and useless

[Paddington Bear]

David Cameron back, absolute scenes

[C T]

David Cameron is being appointed to try and show the voters that they've lost that they're returning to actual serious politics.

It might work. After the utter calamity of the past couple of years (in particular), Cameron probably looks like a safe pair of hands.

The voter numbers surely aren't in the angry Suella followers, they're likely in the people who just want a government that's serious.

Gut feel is telling me that the reason Labour are so far ahead in the polls isn't because people particularly love Labour, but because they're the only option that's credible.

Find myself a bit nervous that they might be making some smart moves here.

[tabascoboy]

David Cameron back, absolute scenes

He was hoping for Junior ministry in the Dept of Agriculture with special responsibility for the pig industry though...

[sockwithaticket]

David Cameron is being appointed to try and show the voters that they've lost that they're returning to actual serious politics.

It might work. After the utter calamity of the past couple of years (in particular), Cameron probably looks like a safe pair of hands.

The voter numbers surely aren't in the angry Suella followers, they're likely in the people who just want a government that's serious.

Gut feel is telling me that the reason Labour are so far ahead in the polls isn't because people particularly love Labour, but because they're the only option that's credible.

Find myself a bit nervous that they might be making some smart moves here.

The UK electorate have been incredibly disappointing over the last decade, but I'd like to think that everyone's seen enough deterioration of public services and in their living standards now to know that the Tories just have to go no matter which 'grown ups' (real grown ups don't try and austerity their way out of recession or call unecessary referendums because they're worried a protest party might steal some of their vote) they belatedly bring to the cabinet.

[Ymx]

David Cameron Foreign Secretary - confirmed

[ASMO]

David Cameron Foreign Secretary - confirmed

I ams sure pepole wont need reminding this is the useless tosser who called the Brexit vote, then ran off with his tail between his legs the moment it went the shape of the pear.

[SaintK]

David Cameron back, absolute scenes

Fuck me! Rishi Sunak, the Prime Minister for change
So he brings back the twat who fucked up the Brexit referendum and who has been twiddling his thumbs the past 6 years whilst pondering his next successful business oportunity since he sunk without trace at Greensill
Should imagine the move will delight all the current Tory MP's who had even a glimmer of hope of high office

[dpedin]

The police are scared of the pro-palestine protestors, it’s been blindingly obvious for weeks if impolite to point out. Coked up idiot football hooligans are well within their comfort zone, both in terms of giving them a whacking and as a talking point

Why do you feel the police are scared?
Do you still think 150+ protestors would like Israel ethnically cleansed?

Because they’re worried about civil disorder that they’d struggle to control. Nutcases like the blokes at the cenotaph are foul and can’t be any fun to police, but in the end every police force in the country deals with them every Saturday, and they get very little wider sympathy even on the odd occasion they are actually hard done by. The contrast is obvious.

As for the protest, you can find plenty online to come to your own judgments about the beliefs on display at the march, that seem to range from very well meaning and genuine hope for peace and reconciliation to men saying Hitler didn’t go far enough. I heard plenty on the train into town Saturday morning that reinforced what I was already thinking about it.

Police will make judgements all the time and are closely linked to control room where they access both police and legal advice. Also the level of monitoring and surveillance is huge and they will make judgements about when and where to make arrests. I suspect they know well in advance who the trouble makers are, where they will be, etc and will decide when, where and how to make arrests. This might mean waiting and tracking suspects via helicopters and CCTV before moving in. I think we need to give more credit than many do for their operational expertise and judgement in managing large protests like this and recognize policing has moved on a bit from Dixon of Dock Green. However this is not to say they don't get their decisions wrong at times as in the Sarah Everard Protest vigil during covid pandemic.

[Insane_Homer]

I, for one, hope the former home secretary is happy with her new lifestyle choice.

[Slick]

David Cameron back, absolute scenes

Fuck me! Rishi Sunak, the Prime Minister for change
So he brings back the twat who fucked up the Brexit referendum and who has been twiddling his thumbs the past 6 years whilst pondering his next successful business oportunity since he sunk without trace at Greensill
Should imagine the move will delight all the current Tory MP's who had even a glimmer of hope of high office

Surely this is just going to attract more attention to the dodgy shit he was getting up to with Greensill and others, that he largely managed to ride out before. Seems a bonkers move to me, a lot more scrutiny heading for the government to put someone in a position that isn't really going to have much influence over all the domestic shit that is losing them votes.

[dpedin]

David Cameron back, absolute scenes

Fuck me! Rishi Sunak, the Prime Minister for change
So he brings back the twat who fucked up the Brexit referendum and who has been twiddling his thumbs the past 6 years whilst pondering his next successful business oportunity since he sunk without trace at Greensill
Should imagine the move will delight all the current Tory MP's who had even a glimmer of hope of high office

So Sunak has managed to piss off the far right of his party by sacking Cruella and is now telling the middle and left of his party that there is no-one good enough to step up into key positions so he has to bring back a failed PM with very dodgy background with Greensill Lobbying Scandal back into the Cabinet and makes him a Baron to do so! Anyone else get the feeling that the Head Boy has no feckin idea how to do politics and his attempt at a dead cat in bringing back retainer Cameron will back fire spectacularly. This is getting beyond a joke now - it is time for a General Election.

[sockwithaticket]

David Cameron back, absolute scenes

Fuck me! Rishi Sunak, the Prime Minister for change
So he brings back the twat who fucked up the Brexit referendum and who has been twiddling his thumbs the past 6 years whilst pondering his next successful business oportunity since he sunk without trace at Greensill
Should imagine the move will delight all the current Tory MP's who had even a glimmer of hope of high office

So Sunak has managed to piss off the far right of his party by sacking Cruella and is now telling the middle and left of his party that there is no-one good enough to step up into key positions so he has to bring back a failed PM with very dodgy background with Greensill Lobbying Scandal back into the Cabinet and makes him a Baron to do so! Anyone else get the feeling that the Head Boy has no feckin idea how to do politics and his attempt at a dead cat in bringing back retainer Cameron will back fire spectacularly. This is getting beyond a joke now - it is time for a General Election.

You're talking as if there's a plan to actually retain power. Sunak knows they're cooked and is eyeing a future of sitting on multiple boards and drawing six figures per post, he is using every month they have until a General Election cannot be put off to do more things that enhance the investment portfolio's of the uber wealthy (like his wife...) and make it easier for exploitative businesses to avoid regulations or repurcussions.

Governance hasn't been a concern for a while.

[Hal Jordan]

Good Lord, I go off to get some work done and return to find David Cameron of all people has returned like the ghost of Christmas past.

The Christmas being the one where my mother dropped the turkey tray and we spent several hours in A&E whilst she was getting her leg dressed for the burns from the hot fat....

[dpedin]

Fuck me! Rishi Sunak, the Prime Minister for change
So he brings back the twat who fucked up the Brexit referendum and who has been twiddling his thumbs the past 6 years whilst pondering his next successful business oportunity since he sunk without trace at Greensill
Should imagine the move will delight all the current Tory MP's who had even a glimmer of hope of high office

So Sunak has managed to piss off the far right of his party by sacking Cruella and is now telling the middle and left of his party that there is no-one good enough to step up into key positions so he has to bring back a failed PM with very dodgy background with Greensill Lobbying Scandal back into the Cabinet and makes him a Baron to do so! Anyone else get the feeling that the Head Boy has no feckin idea how to do politics and his attempt at a dead cat in bringing back retainer Cameron will back fire spectacularly. This is getting beyond a joke now - it is time for a General Election.

You're talking as if there's a plan to actually retain power. Sunak knows they're cooked and is eyeing a future of sitting on multiple boards and drawing six figures per post, he is using every month they have until a General Election cannot be put off to do more things that enhance the investment portfolio's of the uber wealthy (like his wife...) and make it easier for exploitative businesses to avoid regulations or repurcussions.

Governance hasn't been a concern for a while.

I suspect you are right!