Stop voting for fucking Tories

[SaintK]

So all the posturing over the Rwanda project and the treaty means that Rwanda decide which refugees they take, and they can only take 100. And then, we have to accept Rwanda refugees here.

Throwing the ECHR obligations to the wall for this? Wonder what the 1922 Committee will have to say to Sunak about this, especially as Braverman has been on the warpath again

They just can't bring themselves to admit that the Rwanda project was a massively stupid idea and have to double down on it now...

.....but it's going to save them from being wiped out at the next eelection!

[tabascoboy]

Seeing rumours - and only rumours - that Immigration Minister Robert Jenrick has resigned

MPs now believe Robert Jenrick has resigned - I'm told Simon Clarke asked Rishi Sunak directly at the 1922 meeting if he had stepped down and the PM did not deny it

[Hal Jordan]

Seeing rumours - and only rumours - that Immigration Minister Robert Jenrick has resigned

MPs now believe Robert Jenrick has resigned - I'm told Simon Clarke asked Rishi Sunak directly at the 1922 meeting if he had stepped down and the PM did not deny it

Don't let the door hit his fat arse on the way out, unless it knocks him off his balance, face first into a cow pat.

Rwanda has said it will pull out of the deal if the UK doesn't adhere to international law. A dictatorship in all but name finding the Government too toxic to deal with.

[Hal Jordan]

Jenrick confirmed gone.

It's amazing what Tories will do to keep the Big Dog off the front pages.

in any normal country the Government would have fallen about fifteen scandals ago, yet they limp from one clusterfuck to another, dragging us with them.

[fishfoodie]

Jenrick confirmed gone.

It's amazing what Tories will do to keep the Big Dog off the front pages.

in any normal country the Government would have fallen about fifteen scandals ago, yet they limp from one clusterfuck to another, dragging us with them.

In a normal Country they'd either have decorated lamp posts long ago, or be spending 23hrs a day in cell somewhere, with a bucket to shit in, & a large sweaty con for company.

[fishfoodie]

Ouch !

[tabascoboy]

Seeing rumours - and only rumours - that Immigration Minister Robert Jenrick has resigned

MPs now believe Robert Jenrick has resigned - I'm told Simon Clarke asked Rishi Sunak directly at the 1922 meeting if he had stepped down and the PM did not deny it

Don't let the door hit his fat arse on the way out, unless it knocks him off his balance, face first into a cow pat.

Rwanda has said it will pull out of the deal if the UK doesn't adhere to international law. A dictatorship in all but name finding the Government too toxic to deal with.

Indeed, Rwanda it seems has more ethics than our shitstain of a Government and won't get dragged down to their level. What a clusterfuck



Jenrick only upset that we're not being shitty enough...

[fishfoodie]

Well they got £150M+, & it seems highly lightly that they've also got Ministers intellectually superior to any of the cretins they've dealt with on the UK side, so they've probably always known the Tories were promising Unicorns at home, & the Courts would know it was just a Donkey with a dildo on it's head !

This has just been the gift that kept on giving for them.

[tabascoboy]

Well they got £150M+, & it seems highly lightly that they've also got Ministers intellectually superior to any of the cretins they've dealt with on the UK side, so they've probably always known the Tories were promising Unicorns at home, & the Courts would know it was just a Donkey with a dildo on it's head !

This has just been the gift that kept on giving for them.

To be fair, if this was a strategy all along, they've played a blinder. What a day...

[fishfoodie]

Well they got £150M+, & it seems highly lightly that they've also got Ministers intellectually superior to any of the cretins they've dealt with on the UK side, so they've probably always known the Tories were promising Unicorns at home, & the Courts would know it was just a Donkey with a dildo on it's head !

This has just been the gift that kept on giving for them.

To be fair, if this was a strategy all along, they've played a blinder. What a day...

Oh it totally could be, & it'll beat all those Nigerian Princes into the ha'penny place when it comes to scam payouts.

Remember, Sue-Ellen when to University with one of their Ministers, & I wouldn't be in the least surprised if they seeded this great idea thru her, when she was just AG, to the Cabinet, & then just watched it all play out. Doing it while she was AG would be particularly brilliant, as she was so thick that she'd rubber stamp anything, while an actually decent AG would have enough experience to know that this plan would never pass that first basic sniff test of legality.

[Sandstorm]

Well they got £150M+, & it seems highly lightly that they've also got Ministers intellectually superior to any of the cretins they've dealt with on the UK side, so they've probably always known the Tories were promising Unicorns at home, & the Courts would know it was just a Donkey with a dildo on it's head !

This has just been the gift that kept on giving for them.

To be fair, if this was a strategy all along, they've played a blinder. What a day...

Oh it totally could be, & it'll beat all those Nigerian Princes into the ha'penny place when it comes to scam payouts.

Remember, Sue-Ellen when to University with one of their Ministers, & I wouldn't be in the least surprised if they seeded this great idea thru her, when she was just AG, to the Cabinet, & then just watched it all play out. Doing it while she was AG would be particularly brilliant, as she was so thick that she'd rubber stamp anything, while an actually decent AG would have enough experience to know that this plan would never pass that first basic sniff test of legality.

Rwanda are China’s puppets in Africa so the plan could have originated in Beijing.

[fishfoodie]

To be fair, if this was a strategy all along, they've played a blinder. What a day...

Oh it totally could be, & it'll beat all those Nigerian Princes into the ha'penny place when it comes to scam payouts.

Remember, Sue-Ellen when to University with one of their Ministers, & I wouldn't be in the least surprised if they seeded this great idea thru her, when she was just AG, to the Cabinet, & then just watched it all play out. Doing it while she was AG would be particularly brilliant, as she was so thick that she'd rubber stamp anything, while an actually decent AG would have enough experience to know that this plan would never pass that first basic sniff test of legality.

Rwanda are China’s puppets in Africa so the plan could have originated in Beijing.

Oh China has much more direct routes to influence Tory Party policy than to go thru 3rd parties.

They can just make donations like everyone else, & their campaign immediately becomes Party policy. Just ask the Orcs !

[lemonhead]

Jenrick confirmed gone.

It's amazing what Tories will do to keep the Big Dog off the front pages.

in any normal country the Government would have fallen about fifteen scandals ago, yet they limp from one clusterfuck to another, dragging us with them.

It's what's in the back of my mind though - any chance factionalism will out over this, or are they really going to muddle through for yet another year?

[fishfoodie]

Jenrick confirmed gone.

It's amazing what Tories will do to keep the Big Dog off the front pages.

in any normal country the Government would have fallen about fifteen scandals ago, yet they limp from one clusterfuck to another, dragging us with them.

It's what's in the back of my mind though - any chance factionalism will out over this, or are they really going to muddle through for yet another year?

It's an interesting conundrum; the Tories previously always survived with the Eurosceptic wing still inside the tent.

It feels different this time; the boil wasn't lanced by Brexit, as it never could have been, & when the dog caught that car, it didn't know what to do !

The problem this time is that now it's obvious that the games up, they'll bugger off the Reform or some other lunatic fringe party, if they fancy continuing with their political ambitions.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

'what does smarm look like', said the spider to the fly?

[fishfoodie]

The pig eyed sack of shit pretends that he didn't deliberately destroy 6 months worth of data from the most critical period for the enquiry

[Biffer]

Jenrick confirmed gone.

It's amazing what Tories will do to keep the Big Dog off the front pages.

in any normal country the Government would have fallen about fifteen scandals ago, yet they limp from one clusterfuck to another, dragging us with them.

It's what's in the back of my mind though - any chance factionalism will out over this, or are they really going to muddle through for yet another year?

It's an interesting conundrum; the Tories previously always survived with the Eurosceptic wing still inside the tent.

It feels different this time; the boil wasn't lanced by Brexit, as it never could have been, & when the dog caught that car, it didn't know what to do !

The problem this time is that now it's obvious that the games up, they'll bugger off the Reform or some other lunatic fringe party, if they fancy continuing with their political ambitions.

What was previously the Eurosceptic wing has now emerged into its true colours of just being a bunch of absolute fucking nutters.

[C69]

What an shit show
This is quite unbelievable tbh. The Home secretary and now the immigration minister.

[_Os_]

It's what's in the back of my mind though - any chance factionalism will out over this, or are they really going to muddle through for yet another year?

It's an interesting conundrum; the Tories previously always survived with the Eurosceptic wing still inside the tent.

It feels different this time; the boil wasn't lanced by Brexit, as it never could have been, & when the dog caught that car, it didn't know what to do !

The problem this time is that now it's obvious that the games up, they'll bugger off the Reform or some other lunatic fringe party, if they fancy continuing with their political ambitions.

What was previously the Eurosceptic wing has now emerged into its true colours of just being a bunch of absolute fucking nutters.

Their view of how the world works is just wrong. Without getting too academic how things work can be boiled down to two competing views. The rules based order view of cooperation between states to create those rules, each state having similar amounts of power. The anarchic view of might makes right and there being no rules besides those made by the most powerful.

That means a lot of problems for anywhere that isn't a super power on a level with US or China (they used to talk about "Empire 2.0", they think the UK is somehow a super power almost), but asserts its sovereignty like it's some kind of magic spell and isn't up for following rules. Usually it's rogue states getting their arse handed to them.

The best case scenario on Rwanda is that the UK ends up in hock to a dictatorship which can at any time seek to improve the deal for Rwanda, or walk away from the deal entirely. It seems the Tories thought they could find a smaller/weaker country and dominate it ("sovereignty!", "Empire 2.0!"), but that's not how a treaty works when the larger partner has little leverage (the UK isn't a significant direct trade partner with Rwanda). Both the UK and Rwanda have roughly equal power in this.

[_Os_]

To be fair, if this was a strategy all along, they've played a blinder. What a day...

Oh it totally could be, & it'll beat all those Nigerian Princes into the ha'penny place when it comes to scam payouts.

Remember, Sue-Ellen when to University with one of their Ministers, & I wouldn't be in the least surprised if they seeded this great idea thru her, when she was just AG, to the Cabinet, & then just watched it all play out. Doing it while she was AG would be particularly brilliant, as she was so thick that she'd rubber stamp anything, while an actually decent AG would have enough experience to know that this plan would never pass that first basic sniff test of legality.

Rwanda are China’s puppets in Africa so the plan could have originated in Beijing.

That looks wrong. Rwanda don't have any outsized connection to China compared to other African countries, their direct trade with China is if anything unusually low. They're not on the BRICS expansion list.

What they are is a minority junta running a dictatorship whilst hiding under a pretend democracy. Tutsis have the power (a minority under 10% of the population). They've been very good at leveraging the genocide/Western guilt, and spreading positive PR in the West "the Singapore of Africa", Kagame hangs out with Blair. Meanwhile in DRC they're backing Tutsi rebel groups with funding/training/arms/officers from the Rwandan regular army, who do all the things that rebel groups do in DRC. Rwandan dissidents that flee to other countries tend to end up dead.

They're Zimbabwe with a Western PR team. If they're a puppet of anywhere (doubtful) it's the West.

[SaintK]

Not usually a fan of Nick Robinson but this was a bulls eye!!!

[Paddington Bear]

Empire 2.0 was a mocking moniker given to trade plans suggested by parts of the Tory party during brexit negotiations by the civil service, it wasn’t ever something campaigned upon or proposed by the party

[tabascoboy]

Crisis? What Crisis?

Rishi Sunak to give Downing Street press conference around 11am amid migration anger
Prime Minister is seeking to regain control over his fractious party

Rishi Sunak will hold a Downing Street press conference on Thursday about the Rwanda immigration policy, as he seeks to regain control over his fractious party in the wake of Robert Jenrick’s resignation.

The former immigration minister sensationally quit his role last night, plunging the Prime Minister’s government into deeper turmoil.

In a sign of the deep concerns within No10, Mr Sunak will make a direct address to the nation at around 11am in a bid to counter the criticisms of hardline Tory rebels and spell out his plans to tackle the small boats crisis.

Mr Jenrick, previously considered to be a close ally of the Prime Minister, announced his resignation hours after the Government published fresh legislation to give it the power to deport asylum seekers to Rwanda.

He said the draft bill “does not go far enough” and is a “triumph of hope over experience”.

The former home secretary Suella Braverman has also piled further pressure on Mr Sunak, warning on Thursday morning that the proposed laws are doomed to fail.

She told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “Taken as a whole and looking at the reality of the challenges that are involved in detaining people, removing people and getting them to Rwanda – this is a very litigious field and there are lots of legal frameworks that apply – the reality is and the sorry truth is that it won’t work and it will not stop the boats.”

Tweaks to the Rwanda plan would not be enough to get the policy up and running, Mrs Braverman said, adding that the new legislation would still allow legal claims that could block flights and “clog up the system”, potentially for years.

“We can’t do half measures. We have to totally exclude international law – the Refugee Convention, other broader avenues of legal challenge,” she said.

Ms Braverman, who delivered a scathing personal statement attacking the Prime Minister in the Commons on Wednesday, insisted that Tory MPs do not have a “death wish”.

But she cautioned that the party is in a “very perilous situation” over the issue of immigration.

“The Prime Minister made the promise to stop the boats at the beginning of the year. We now need to deliver on that pledge,” she said.

Mr Jenrick’s shock resignation and Ms Braverman’s repeated interventions have fuelled speculation that Mr Sunak could face a serious threat from a growing right wing rebellion.

But Cabinet minister Chris Heaton-Harris attempted to play down Tory divisions over the Rwanda policy.

Asked if the vote on the Safety of Rwanda Bill would be treated as a matter of confidence in the Prime Minister, the Northern Ireland Secretary told Sky News that was a decision for the whips but “I can’t see why it would need to be because I think all Conservatives will vote for it”.

He also told LBC that he thought the chances of Mr Sunak facing a confidence vote of his MPs was “highly unlikely, very unlikely. I’d say vanishingly small.”

https://liveapp.inews.co.uk/2023/12/07/ ... ntent.html

[Insane_Homer]

Splitting the role so 2 more can get their snouts into the pension pot pay-out trough before the next GE.

[tabascoboy]

Splitting the role so 2 more can get their snouts into the pension pot pay-out trough before the next GE.

What? How can you be so cynical - he only has the nation's best interests at heart, surely

Downing Street has moved to announce who will replace Robert Jenrick who quit last night as immigration minister.

But No 10 has decided to split the role. So Michael Tomlinson has been appointed Minister for Illegal Migration in the Home Office, with Tom Pursglove as Minister for Legal Migration and Delivery.

He says every single reason ever used in court challenges - including "spurious human rights claims" - has now been blocked, except for the "extremely narrow" possibility that someone can prove they are at immediate risk of torture.

[fishfoodie]

Does he have no clue how desperate he looks appealing to Labour to support his fascist plan ?

[Hal Jordan]

Jenrick confirmed gone.

It's amazing what Tories will do to keep the Big Dog off the front pages.

in any normal country the Government would have fallen about fifteen scandals ago, yet they limp from one clusterfuck to another, dragging us with them.

It's what's in the back of my mind though - any chance factionalism will out over this, or are they really going to muddle through for yet another year?

They're in the "loot everything you can before you flee the rebel forces who are advancing on the capital city" stage of their dictatorship aping path to oblivion. Whilst there is still time, pork barrel and secure those post-election jobs.

[Slick]

Rishi looked rattled and broken in that press conference

[Insane_Homer]

Rishi looked rattled and broken in that press conference

A look of "I can't wait to call a GE and the fuck out here and ask my wife/FIL for a larger allowance" kind of vibe?

[SaintK]

Rishi looked rattled and broken in that press conference

Rabbit in the headlights! Totally out of his depth.

[tabascoboy]

Maybe they can provide the missing WhatsApp messages for the enquiry...

[Paddington Bear]

Rishi looked rattled and broken in that press conference

This government gave up a while ago, not that I have much faith in Labour’s competence but they may as well step aside and let some people with some energy have a go.

[tabascoboy]

Rishi looked rattled and broken in that press conference

This government gave up a while ago, not that I have much faith in Labour’s competence but they may as well step aside and let some people with some energy have a go.

This lot do have energy - just that they are only prepared to expend it in serving their own interests

[Insane_Homer]

Maybe they can provide the missing WhatsApp messages for the enquiry...

Was it when they used their phones in Boris' Russian-built News Conference room?

[fishfoodie]

So Rwanda says they'll collapse the deal if it breaks International Law, the head boys threat is that, if the ECHR tells him his illegal plan is illegal he will ........ break International Law !

How the fuck did none of the morons asking questions not point out this teeny, tiny hole in his master plan, or just ask what he'd do when Strasbourg held the UK to it's legal obligations ??

[_Os_]

Empire 2.0 was a mocking moniker given to trade plans suggested by parts of the Tory party during brexit negotiations by the civil service, it wasn’t ever something campaigned upon or proposed by the party

Yes, but by "parts of the Tory party" you mean Liam Fox the secretary for trade back in 2017, who for awhile seemed to think Commonwealth countries could replace the EU, the name came about because Whitehall was being asked to do impossible things by ministers along the lines of "replace the EU with the Commonwealth with the UK in control", there was an outsized focus on small Commonwealth countries. To which Whitehall replied "maybe focus on the EU negotiations?". The even more crazy Tories who weren't in government, like Hannan and Lilico were rambling on about CANZUK (just the majority white Commonwealth countries) something that's not even real ... but the Empire 2.0 thing was about the people civil servants were dealing with in government.

Taken all together Empire 2.0, seems good enough shorthand for a particular view of the world some Tories have. I don't think any of them expected Rwanda to have input by refusing to go as illegal as some Tory MPs wanted (Rwanda is small and undeveloped, it could also very easily be classed as a rogue state and sanctioned if they play their cards poorly, not surprising they would be keen to avoid the attention), hence Jenrick resigning and Sunak replying he's pushed it as far as Rwanda will allow.

[tabascoboy]

Maybe they can provide the missing WhatsApp messages for the enquiry...

Was it when they used their phones in Boris' Russian-built News Conference room?

I mean what could possibly go wrong?

[_Os_]

This quote from Sunak:

"It is the only approach because going any further, that difference is an inch, but going any further means that Rwanda will collapse the scheme and then we will have nowhere to send anyone to and that is not a way to get this going,".

He's telling Tory MPs they cannot have even more extreme legislation, because Paul Kagame's Rwanda will not allow it. Sunak not long ago (last week? the week before?), was saying "foreign courts" (actually two UK courts) do not decide the law. A whole UK PM is saying if an African dictator type guy decides he wants to follow international law then that compels the UK to do so.

This is nuts.

[dpedin]

This quote from Sunak:

"It is the only approach because going any further, that difference is an inch, but going any further means that Rwanda will collapse the scheme and then we will have nowhere to send anyone to and that is not a way to get this going,".

He's telling Tory MPs they cannot have even more extreme legislation, because Paul Kagame's Rwanda will not allow it. Sunak not long ago (last week? the week before?), was saying "foreign courts" (actually two UK courts) do not decide the law. A whole UK PM is saying if an African dictator type guy decides he wants to follow international law then that compels the UK to do so.

This is nuts.

Absolutely nuts!!!! This really is Sunak trying a last gasp rally of the different wings of the party in advance of a possible HoC defeat. He must be shitting himself if he thought he had to call this press conference and say the above out loud. Death throes of a dying shitty right wing Government!

[tabascoboy]

This quote from Sunak:

"It is the only approach because going any further, that difference is an inch, but going any further means that Rwanda will collapse the scheme and then we will have nowhere to send anyone to and that is not a way to get this going,".

He's telling Tory MPs they cannot have even more extreme legislation, because Paul Kagame's Rwanda will not allow it. Sunak not long ago (last week? the week before?), was saying "foreign courts" (actually two UK courts) do not decide the law. A whole UK PM is saying if an African dictator type guy decides he wants to follow international law then that compels the UK to do so.

This is nuts.

That last bit does actually make a strange kind of sense, but not in a way that reflects any credit on the UK itself... "Yes we have to uphold and follow international law - but, but, but it's only because some foreign dictator is saying we must!"