Dark is one of my all time favorites.Grandpa wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 11:05 pm Watched Bodies and quite enjoyed it... now watching DARK... a German series... love it. Grabs me more than Bodies did.
I'm at the start of season 3... so I think so? Season 3 isn't grabbing me after a couple of episodes... it felt like it should have ended at end of season 2... now it feels like padding?Uncle fester wrote: Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:10 amDark is one of my all time favorites.Grandpa wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 11:05 pm Watched Bodies and quite enjoyed it... now watching DARK... a German series... love it. Grabs me more than Bodies did.
Have you got to the "not where but when" episode with Ulrich and Mikkel?
Yes... I still found it gripping... better than Bodies I thought... Twin Peaks meets Back to the Future.boere wors wrote: Tue Jan 02, 2024 2:09 pm You watching Dark in german, subtitled? Acting is quite poor, couldnt watch it.
Season 3 is a little slow to get going but bear with it. Ending of episode 6 is a stonker (with a Bloc Party soundtrack).Grandpa wrote: Tue Jan 02, 2024 12:32 pmI'm at the start of season 3... so I think so? Season 3 isn't grabbing me after a couple of episodes... it felt like it should have ended at end of season 2... now it feels like padding?Uncle fester wrote: Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:10 amDark is one of my all time favorites.Grandpa wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 11:05 pm Watched Bodies and quite enjoyed it... now watching DARK... a German series... love it. Grabs me more than Bodies did.
Have you got to the "not where but when" episode with Ulrich and Mikkel?
Agreed - it was very good
It's dated but still worth a watchBullet wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2023 12:43 pmWas it a disappointment? Must have been 45 years ago and no idea how it would have agedmat the expat wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:38 amI downloaded the lot a few years back!Bullet wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:31 pm Know it's not new or returning but boozy afternoon reminded me of wanting to find Water Margin series
That's what started my love of Japanese Swords as a kid
Reading the second of the Last Winter series now Matt, loved the first and second is great too.Dan54 wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2023 11:50 pmI think Cornwell helped with the Last Kingdom adaptation. Doubt he did for this one
I've not read those books - worth a go? Which is first?
Only up to ep 3. At least back to the old Fargo vibe although trying very hard for itGumboot wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2024 4:07 am I've been a bit ambivalent about the latest series of Fargo. It's been good, but I wasn't overly impressed with episode 7 tbh, and wasn't sure if it was worth persevering with.
Needn't have worried. Episode 8 is terrific!
Sets up the final 2 episodes beautifully...
Haven't heard of it, but will give it a try. Thanks for advice
Agreed, it was very good. What it left me feeling was how much the contractor got away with their behaviour. I would have liked to have seen how the govt (the tax payer) pursued them for failure to deliver a workable IT solution.Dogbert wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:21 am Absolutely the best piece of TV that has been on the British screen recently was " Mr Bates vs The Post Office" - If you have not seen it I cannot recommend it enough
I've followed this story for the last 10 years through Private Eye / Computer Weekly/ Panorama & the BBC Radio documentary. but only in this televised docudrama does the magnitude of the story really come to life.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainm ... s-67861886
Mr Bates vs The Post Office tells the story of the long and difficult battle for justice after hundreds of postal workers were accused of theft, fraud, and false accounting.
In 1999, a fault with the Post Office’s IT system (Horizon, by Fujitsu) incorrectly reported cash shortfalls in branches across the country, which led to hundreds of innocent postmasters and postmistresses being dismissed from their jobs, with some taking their lives due to the stress.
Its a discomforting watch
Did no one go to prison from Fujitsu? Absolute scandal if they haven't been punished at all?GrahamWa wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2024 8:26 amAgreed, it was very good. What it left me feeling was how much the contractor got away with their behaviour. I would have liked to have seen how the govt (the tax payer) pursued them for failure to deliver a workable IT solution.Dogbert wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:21 am Absolutely the best piece of TV that has been on the British screen recently was " Mr Bates vs The Post Office" - If you have not seen it I cannot recommend it enough
I've followed this story for the last 10 years through Private Eye / Computer Weekly/ Panorama & the BBC Radio documentary. but only in this televised docudrama does the magnitude of the story really come to life.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainm ... s-67861886
Mr Bates vs The Post Office tells the story of the long and difficult battle for justice after hundreds of postal workers were accused of theft, fraud, and false accounting.
In 1999, a fault with the Post Office’s IT system (Horizon, by Fujitsu) incorrectly reported cash shortfalls in branches across the country, which led to hundreds of innocent postmasters and postmistresses being dismissed from their jobs, with some taking their lives due to the stress.
Its a discomforting watch
This started just after I joined the CID and we had a few enquiries. A very good friend of mine, who was a senior PF in the Crown Office and praised in the documentary, decided that the evidence in the cases didn't meet the levels of corroborating required in Scotland, so very few were prosecuted. Sadly not the case in England where folk seemed to get prosecuted even though it couldn't be proved that they had benefited in any way.GrahamWa wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2024 8:26 amAgreed, it was very good. What it left me feeling was how much the contractor got away with their behaviour. I would have liked to have seen how the govt (the tax payer) pursued them for failure to deliver a workable IT solution.Dogbert wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:21 am Absolutely the best piece of TV that has been on the British screen recently was " Mr Bates vs The Post Office" - If you have not seen it I cannot recommend it enough
I've followed this story for the last 10 years through Private Eye / Computer Weekly/ Panorama & the BBC Radio documentary. but only in this televised docudrama does the magnitude of the story really come to life.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainm ... s-67861886
Mr Bates vs The Post Office tells the story of the long and difficult battle for justice after hundreds of postal workers were accused of theft, fraud, and false accounting.
In 1999, a fault with the Post Office’s IT system (Horizon, by Fujitsu) incorrectly reported cash shortfalls in branches across the country, which led to hundreds of innocent postmasters and postmistresses being dismissed from their jobs, with some taking their lives due to the stress.
Its a discomforting watch
The Horizon enquiry is still ongoing. The main witness from Fujitsu (ICL as was) - Gareth Jenkins - still hasn't given evidence. The post office keep finding new documents to send to the enquiry which delays things.Grandpa wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2024 8:45 amDid no one go to prison from Fujitsu? Absolute scandal if they haven't been punished at all?GrahamWa wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2024 8:26 amAgreed, it was very good. What it left me feeling was how much the contractor got away with their behaviour. I would have liked to have seen how the govt (the tax payer) pursued them for failure to deliver a workable IT solution.Dogbert wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:21 am Absolutely the best piece of TV that has been on the British screen recently was " Mr Bates vs The Post Office" - If you have not seen it I cannot recommend it enough
I've followed this story for the last 10 years through Private Eye / Computer Weekly/ Panorama & the BBC Radio documentary. but only in this televised docudrama does the magnitude of the story really come to life.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainm ... s-67861886
Mr Bates vs The Post Office tells the story of the long and difficult battle for justice after hundreds of postal workers were accused of theft, fraud, and false accounting.
In 1999, a fault with the Post Office’s IT system (Horizon, by Fujitsu) incorrectly reported cash shortfalls in branches across the country, which led to hundreds of innocent postmasters and postmistresses being dismissed from their jobs, with some taking their lives due to the stress.
Its a discomforting watch
She laughs at this...Biffer wrote: Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:57 pm The anti-woke, not snowflakes at all brigade are losing their shit over the new adaptation of the famous five, because the actor who plays George is black and a tomboy. Some of them are claiming that she's being portrayed as trans, despite clearly being referred to as she all the way through first episode. Apparently it's be cause she wants to be called George and says 'the last person who called me Georgina got a slap'.
Documentary budgets are definitely improving....
Yeah, no real way around the need for it to be CGI heavy without it looking as sparse as something like Dunkirk.Jock42 wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 10:51 am Watched the first 2 episodes of Masters of the Air last night. Bit more CGI than previous series but there is no other way to stick dozens of B17s up there. Combat scenes have been good but fuck being the ball turret gunner.
Yet 50 odd years ago Tora, Tora,Tora managed magnificently without CGI.Margin__Walker wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 12:50 pmYeah, no real way around the need for it to be CGI heavy without it looking as sparse as something like Dunkirk.Jock42 wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 10:51 am Watched the first 2 episodes of Masters of the Air last night. Bit more CGI than previous series but there is no other way to stick dozens of B17s up there. Combat scenes have been good but fuck being the ball turret gunner.
Overall pretty decent so far imo. Worth a watch.
SpoilerShowShame they had to include the Brits being pricks/crap bit in the scene with the RAF lads, but it's obligatory I guess with these productions.
Guessing there were considerably more airworthy planes available for extended shoots 50 years ago. Quick google suggests that there are currently a grand total of 6 airworthy B17sBlackmac wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 1:47 pmYet 50 odd years ago Tora, Tora,Tora managed magnificently without CGI.Margin__Walker wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 12:50 pmYeah, no real way around the need for it to be CGI heavy without it looking as sparse as something like Dunkirk.Jock42 wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 10:51 am Watched the first 2 episodes of Masters of the Air last night. Bit more CGI than previous series but there is no other way to stick dozens of B17s up there. Combat scenes have been good but fuck being the ball turret gunner.
Overall pretty decent so far imo. Worth a watch.
SpoilerShowShame they had to include the Brits being pricks/crap bit in the scene with the RAF lads, but it's obligatory I guess with these productions.
Margin__Walker wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 12:50 pmYeah, no real way around the need for it to be CGI heavy without it looking as sparse as something like Dunkirk.Jock42 wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 10:51 am Watched the first 2 episodes of Masters of the Air last night. Bit more CGI than previous series but there is no other way to stick dozens of B17s up there. Combat scenes have been good but fuck being the ball turret gunner.
Overall pretty decent so far imo. Worth a watch.
SpoilerShowShame they had to include the Brits being pricks/crap bit in the scene with the RAF lads, but it's obligatory I guess with these productions.
Ha, can imagine the internal dialogue there.Jock42 wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 2:50 pmMargin__Walker wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 12:50 pmYeah, no real way around the need for it to be CGI heavy without it looking as sparse as something like Dunkirk.Jock42 wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 10:51 am Watched the first 2 episodes of Masters of the Air last night. Bit more CGI than previous series but there is no other way to stick dozens of B17s up there. Combat scenes have been good but fuck being the ball turret gunner.
Overall pretty decent so far imo. Worth a watch.
SpoilerShowShame they had to include the Brits being pricks/crap bit in the scene with the RAF lads, but it's obligatory I guess with these productions.For those interested. A few spoilers in there.SpoilerShowI was torn between national patriotism and inter service rivalry, the latter won out in the end.
https://www.facebook.com/share/ibPhWMaZ8yaJkF7j/
Didn't realise he was on it. Purposely have listened to it in case there were spoilers but got a bit of a car journey tomorrow so will stick it on.Margin__Walker wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 3:10 pmHa, can imagine the internal dialogue there.Jock42 wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 2:50 pmMargin__Walker wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 12:50 pm
Yeah, no real way around the need for it to be CGI heavy without it looking as sparse as something like Dunkirk.
Overall pretty decent so far imo. Worth a watch.
SpoilerShowShame they had to include the Brits being pricks/crap bit in the scene with the RAF lads, but it's obligatory I guess with these productions.For those interested. A few spoilers in there.SpoilerShowI was torn between national patriotism and inter service rivalry, the latter won out in the end.
https://www.facebook.com/share/ibPhWMaZ8yaJkF7j/
Will give it a read later. Orloff was on the 'We have ways...' podcast this week talking about it.
He's been on a few times and gave some more insight into the overall production.
It was decent viewing but i'm not sure they could have included many more cliches. I fully expect the two Bucks to crash land, become leaders of the local resistance, destroy a few Panzer divisons, shag a few buxom French wenches before swimming the channel and giving Eisenhower the exact location of the best beaches for D-day.Jock42 wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 10:51 am Watched the first 2 episodes of Masters of the Air last night. Bit more CGI than previous series but there is no other way to stick dozens of B17s up there. Combat scenes have been good but fuck being the ball turret gunner.
Haha, from what I gather it's pretty accurate to the story and although I don't know their story I don't think they'll inflate anything. The WHW pod that Margin Walker references above had the creator on, every plane that you see is the exact plane where it should be, they've put a lot of effort in.Blackmac wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:18 amIt was decent viewing but i'm not sure they could have included many more cliches. I fully expect the two Bucks to crash land, become leaders of the local resistance, destroy a few Panzer divisons, shag a few buxom French wenches before swimming the channel and giving Eisenhower the exact location of the best beaches for D-day.Jock42 wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 10:51 am Watched the first 2 episodes of Masters of the Air last night. Bit more CGI than previous series but there is no other way to stick dozens of B17s up there. Combat scenes have been good but fuck being the ball turret gunner.
As to the narrative that the American's daylight raids were somehow tactically and morally superior to the night raids, what a load of bollocks. Until they developed long range fighter support later in the campaign it was suicide and barely any more precise and effective than night bombing. It was outdated doctrine that totally underestimated the effectiveness of the flak and fighter cover and allowed their crews to be slaughtered for very little return.
It was the fact they actually narrated it, suggesting that the British didn't have the courage or equipment to carry out precision bombing and were somehow more callous after 3 years of war.Jock42 wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:43 amHaha, from what I gather it's pretty accurate to the story and although I don't know their story I don't think they'll inflate anything. The WHW pod that Margin Walker references above had the creator on, every plane that you see is the exact plane where it should be, they've put a lot of effort in.Blackmac wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:18 amIt was decent viewing but i'm not sure they could have included many more cliches. I fully expect the two Bucks to crash land, become leaders of the local resistance, destroy a few Panzer divisons, shag a few buxom French wenches before swimming the channel and giving Eisenhower the exact location of the best beaches for D-day.Jock42 wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 10:51 am Watched the first 2 episodes of Masters of the Air last night. Bit more CGI than previous series but there is no other way to stick dozens of B17s up there. Combat scenes have been good but fuck being the ball turret gunner.
As to the narrative that the American's daylight raids were somehow tactically and morally superior to the night raids, what a load of bollocks. Until they developed long range fighter support later in the campaign it was suicide and barely any more precise and effective than night bombing. It was outdated doctrine that totally underestimated the effectiveness of the flak and fighter cover and allowed their crews to be slaughtered for very little return.
I totally agree but it's not a documentary and that's how the Yanks thought. They could maybe have done better with the RAF lads debating it to add a bit of context.
