Stop voting for fucking Tories

[tabascoboy]

I guess money is no object here now, given the amounts already squandered ( several billion £ so far has to be committed? ) as they want to extend the scheme to other "safe" nations...

MPs reject Lords amendments to Rwanda bill

MPs have rejected all changes to the Rwanda bill made in the House of Lords in an ongoing parliamentary stand-off. The much-debated bill will now return to the upper chamber for further scrutiny on Tuesday.

It comes as reports suggest the UK held talks with other countries, including Armenia, about replicating the scheme.

The plan to send some asylum seekers to Rwanda has faced setbacks since it was first announced in April 2022 by Boris Johnson's government. The bill, which declares Rwanda safe, is likely to pass this week - with the government majority meaning any further amendments made by peers should be overturned. It will not become law until both Commons and Lords agree on the final wording, a process known as parliamentary ping-pong.

It will now returns to the Lords, where peers are set to review it on Tuesday - possibly making additional changes that could extend the parliamentary disputes.

In the vote on Monday, MPs rejected six amendments, one of which would have granted a removal exemption for people who had supported the UK's armed forces overseas. The government also rejected calls to exempt victims of modern slavery from the Rwanda scheme, instead proposing its own amendment that would provide an annual report on the impact of the policy on victims, which then passed.

As reported in the Times, internal government documents show Costa Rica, Ivory Coast and Armenia have been considered as options for similar schemes, if Rwanda proves successful.

The BBC has seen some of the documents, which are from several months ago, and understands the list is accurate.

The early stage plans are described by sources as in a "holding pattern", with other countries keen to see if the Rwanda plan actually gets going before trying anything similar themselves.

Other African nations, including Morocco, Tunisia, Namibia and Gambia, "explicitly declined" to enter technical discussions, according to the Times.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68815191

[SaintK]

I can guarantee what his next Torygraph column will be about
Shame we won't get to hear what that nice Suella Braverman had to say later this afternoon!
[media] [/media]

[Tichtheid]

I can guarantee what his next Torygraph column will be about
Shame we won't get to hear what that nice Suella Braverman had to say later this afternoon!
[media] [/media]

Apparently the police have left without shutting it down.

I despise that man for the damage he has done to the UK but this kind of thing plays right into his hands and he will milk it for all its worth.

[Tichtheid]

GB News, "What do you make of the Mayor of Brussels shutting down #NatConBrussels2 where Nigel Farage and Suella Braverman were speaking at?"

Jonathan Ashworth, "I'm a champion of free speech.. But I am surprised that Suella Braverman is a speaker there because some of the speakers have unsavoury views and I'm surprised Rishi Sunak has let her speak there"
@JonAshworth


GB News, "Why on earth because there is one unsavoury character should someone not be free to go and speak"

Jonathan Ashworth does a quick google, "One speaker is under investigation for right wing extremism. Another speaker argued that Christchurch mosque shooter had legitimate concerns. Another speaker argued gay marriage is a destructive experiment. There's a parade of extremist characters associated with this conference. So I'm surprised Rishi Sunak hasn't blocked Braverman from speaking at it"

GB News presenters don't know what to say so change the subject

[sturginho]

Sunak going low at PMQs on Rayner, but still they can't say what exactly they think she's done:



"I asked them to look into certain matters regarding certain things" seems like a really solid foundation for a police investigation

[SaintK]

Sunak going low at PMQs on Rayner, but still they can't say what exactly they think she's done:



"I asked them to look into certain matters regarding certain things" seems like a really solid foundation for a police investigation

Won't repeat the allegations outside the Commons because of Parliamentary Priviledge?
Comes over as a proper cunt and a half!!

[epwc]

Comes over as a proper cunt and a half!!

I think that's the general qualification for being a Tory now, anyone halfway decent has been purged or left of their own volition.

[Tichtheid]

The Times seems to have found a way to stop their articles being read on archive sites, so the only part I can see of former Tory MP Mathew Parris' article is this

"The hounding of Angela Rayner is outrageous: brutal, snobbish and completely out of proportion to any mistake she may (or may not) have made."

[SaintK]

The Times seems to have found a way to stop their articles being read on archive sites, so the only part I can see of former Tory MP Mathew Parris' article is this

"The hounding of Angela Rayner is outrageous: brutal, snobbish and completely out of proportion to any mistake she may (or may not) have made."

[C T]

The Times seems to have found a way to stop their articles being read on archive sites, so the only part I can see of former Tory MP Mathew Parris' article is this

"The hounding of Angela Rayner is outrageous: brutal, snobbish and completely out of proportion to any mistake she may (or may not) have made."

I'm struggling to see it as even very smart from a purely political perspective.

If it turns out to be nothing this whole charade will be used to highlight how much the Tories are out to get working class people, and to say they're misogynistic.

If it turns out to be something, sure they can claim a significant head (I bet Rayner will be back though) but it's hardly a moral high ground the Tories can win, surely?

Don't quite subscribe to all Tories being bad people, but I bet their ranks are stuffed full of people who have fiddled £1'500 and then some.

[C69]

Starmer stated today this is an attack on a working class woman.
He is a pretty shrewd guy. This is a no win for the Tories

[Biffer]

Starmer stated today this is an attack on a working class woman.
He is a pretty shrewd guy. This is a no win for the Tories

It's a very good attack line against the tories and an us and them, privileged rich boys thing.

[sturginho]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... bad-people

[Uncle fester]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... bad-people

Thought the name seemed familiar.

A decade ago, Menzies quit as a ministerial aide following allegations about his behaviour by a Brazilian male escort.

[I like neeps]

The Times seems to have found a way to stop their articles being read on archive sites, so the only part I can see of former Tory MP Mathew Parris' article is this

"The hounding of Angela Rayner is outrageous: brutal, snobbish and completely out of proportion to any mistake she may (or may not) have made."

I'm struggling to see it as even very smart from a purely political perspective.

If it turns out to be nothing this whole charade will be used to highlight how much the Tories are out to get working class people, and to say they're misogynistic.

If it turns out to be something, sure they can claim a significant head (I bet Rayner will be back though) but it's hardly a moral high ground the Tories can win, surely?

Don't quite subscribe to all Tories being bad people, but I bet their ranks are stuffed full of people who have fiddled £1'500 and then some.

The aim of the story is to make voters think that all politicians are the same. The Tories have been involved in rampant corruption and this nice little vignette is "see, labour do it to! Vote Tory".

See also, Sir Beer Korma's perfectly legal beer and curry in Durham during partygate.

The Mail are a low tax, low regulation campaign vehicle and don't much concern themselves with truth.

[C69]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... bad-people

Thought the name seemed familiar.

A decade ago, Menzies quit as a ministerial aide following allegations about his behaviour by a Brazilian male escort.

Pmsl

[Tichtheid]

Nick Boles, former Tory MP, writing to a newspaper (I'm copying from a photo on FB as I have trouble re-sizing photos on here);

Sir, Having served for nine years as an MP I know how low politicians can stoop when their backs are against the wall. But the Conservative attack on Angela Rayner is one of the most grotesque spectacles of hypocrisy I have witnessed. On one side is a billionaire Tory peer, Lord Ashcroft and a multimillionaire Tory prime minister, Rishi Sunk, whose families have all avoided paying millions of pounds in UK tax as beneficiaries of non-dom status and who live lives of luxury. On the other is a woman who grew up in poverty caring for her illiterate mother, who is now registered blind, and who through her own guts and character has risen to be deputy leader of the Labour Party. Even Rayner's accusers accept that the most she might have benefitted from the error that they allege - and which she denies - is less than £3000 in tax.

I suppose that her attackers cannot bear the idea that they are about to lose to a woman who pulled her self up by her bootstraps. And who is going to wipe the floor with them.

Nick Boles
London SE5.

"

[Lobby]

The Times seems to have found a way to stop their articles being read on archive sites, so the only part I can see of former Tory MP Mathew Parris' article is this

"The hounding of Angela Rayner is outrageous: brutal, snobbish and completely out of proportion to any mistake she may (or may not) have made."

I'm struggling to see it as even very smart from a purely political perspective.

If it turns out to be nothing this whole charade will be used to highlight how much the Tories are out to get working class people, and to say they're misogynistic.

If it turns out to be something, sure they can claim a significant head (I bet Rayner will be back though) but it's hardly a moral high ground the Tories can win, surely?

Don't quite subscribe to all Tories being bad people, but I bet their ranks are stuffed full of people who have fiddled £1'500 and then some.

The aim of the story is to make voters think that all politicians are the same. The Tories have been involved in rampant corruption and this nice little vignette is "see, labour do it to! Vote Tory".

See also, Sir Beer Korma's perfectly legal beer and curry in Durham during partygate.

The Mail are a low tax, low regulation campaign vehicle and don't much concern themselves with truth.

There's an interesting article in the Guardian about the Tories who have been pushing the Rayner smear stories. If it looks similar to the spurious claims about Starmers beer and curry party, that's probably because its the same people using the same methods that were deemed successful by Tory HQ.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... for-rayner

After the Mail published extracts from Lord Ashcroft's 'biography' of Rayner, they went on to publish 79 stories in 2 months accusing her of hypocrisy over the sale of her house. When that didn't work, they then moved on to making allegations that she may have lied about the location of her primary residence to avoid paying capital gains tax. The whole thing is being orchestrated by Richard Holden and his deputy James Daly.

[C T]

The Times seems to have found a way to stop their articles being read on archive sites, so the only part I can see of former Tory MP Mathew Parris' article is this

"The hounding of Angela Rayner is outrageous: brutal, snobbish and completely out of proportion to any mistake she may (or may not) have made."

I'm struggling to see it as even very smart from a purely political perspective.

If it turns out to be nothing this whole charade will be used to highlight how much the Tories are out to get working class people, and to say they're misogynistic.

If it turns out to be something, sure they can claim a significant head (I bet Rayner will be back though) but it's hardly a moral high ground the Tories can win, surely?

Don't quite subscribe to all Tories being bad people, but I bet their ranks are stuffed full of people who have fiddled £1'500 and then some.

The aim of the story is to make voters think that all politicians are the same. The Tories have been involved in rampant corruption and this nice little vignette is "see, labour do it to! Vote Tory".

See also, Sir Beer Korma's perfectly legal beer and curry in Durham during partygate.

The Mail are a low tax, low regulation campaign vehicle and don't much concern themselves with truth.

Before I reply to this, you wrote an excellent post around mental health on this thread a few weeks back. Meant to respond saying that I thought it was a great read, but didn't get around to it. So taking the chance now.

I see what you're saying, I just find it all so tragic.

The enthusiasm with which this is being persued, vs if it were a Tory (for fiddling, probably lets face it a lot more) I mean, seriously, 10 times more? 100 time more? Probably not outside the realms of possibility.

Can get my head around the mail, for example. And why they're so keen. I don't like it, but I can understand it.

But a certain percentage of the population lapping it up. Like you say, saying things like "See, they're all the same. I'll keep my cross blue. Phew, conscience clear" Leaves me scratching my head, looking even more confused than normal.

[dpedin]

It is quite clear now that the whole Rayner non story has been manufactured by the Tories because they knew both the William Wragg and the Mark Menzies stories were going to get into the press and they wanted to distract the media and the public and create a 'dead cat' in advance. They will now compare the unsubstantiated claims about Rayner with the proven sleaze and corruption of Wragg and Menzies and try and draw parallels whilst claiming everyone in politics is at it! Many will believe this utter nonsense. The, mostly right wing press, have been only too happy to run with the story despite little if any evidence of any law breaches or tax fraud . Whilst we all understand the games being played it is very very annoying watching so called professional journalists doing very little other than regurgitate Tory shite press releases and what they are told in the bars of HoC without doing proper journalistic research.

However I am not sure the Tory 'go low, go very low' strategy is working - they are sitting on 19% in recent UK voting intention polls. Sunak personal rating is falling off the cliff.

[C69]

Nick Boles, former Tory MP, writing to a newspaper (I'm copying from a photo on FB as I have trouble re-sizing photos on here);

Sir, Having served for nine years as an MP I know how low politicians can stoop when their backs are against the wall. But the Conservative attack on Angela Rayner is one of the most grotesque spectacles of hypocrisy I have witnessed. On one side is a billionaire Tory peer, Lord Ashcroft and a multimillionaire Tory prime minister, Rishi Sunk, whose families have all avoided paying millions of pounds in UK tax as beneficiaries of non-dom status and who live lives of luxury. On the other is a woman who grew up in poverty caring for her illiterate mother, who is now registered blind, and who through her own guts and character has risen to be deputy leader of the Labour Party. Even Rayner's accusers accept that the most she might have benefitted from the error that they allege - and which she denies - is less than £3000 in tax.

I suppose that her attackers cannot bear the idea that they are about to lose to a woman who pulled her self up by her bootstraps. And who is going to wipe the floor with them.

Nick Boles
London SE5.

"

Fuck me that's savage.
Good on him

[epwc]

Brilliant from Boles

[SaintK]

Another Boris Brexit bonus!!!!

Drug shortages are a “new normal” in the UK and are being exacerbated by Brexit, a report by the Nuffield Trust health thinktank has warned. A dramatic recent spike in the number of drugs that are unavailable has created serious problems for doctors, pharmacists, the NHS and patients, it found.
The number of warnings drug companies have issued about impending supply problems for certain products has more than doubled from 648 in 2020 to 1,634 last year

https://www.theguardian.com/science/20 ... ort-warns

[I like neeps]

I'm struggling to see it as even very smart from a purely political perspective.

If it turns out to be nothing this whole charade will be used to highlight how much the Tories are out to get working class people, and to say they're misogynistic.

If it turns out to be something, sure they can claim a significant head (I bet Rayner will be back though) but it's hardly a moral high ground the Tories can win, surely?

Don't quite subscribe to all Tories being bad people, but I bet their ranks are stuffed full of people who have fiddled £1'500 and then some.

The aim of the story is to make voters think that all politicians are the same. The Tories have been involved in rampant corruption and this nice little vignette is "see, labour do it to! Vote Tory".

See also, Sir Beer Korma's perfectly legal beer and curry in Durham during partygate.

The Mail are a low tax, low regulation campaign vehicle and don't much concern themselves with truth.

Before I reply to this, you wrote an excellent post around mental health on this thread a few weeks back. Meant to respond saying that I thought it was a great read, but didn't get around to it. So taking the chance now.

I see what you're saying, I just find it all so tragic.

The enthusiasm with which this is being persued, vs if it were a Tory (for fiddling, probably lets face it a lot more) I mean, seriously, 10 times more? 100 time more? Probably not outside the realms of possibility.

Can get my head around the mail, for example. And why they're so keen. I don't like it, but I can understand it.

But a certain percentage of the population lapping it up. Like you say, saying things like "See, they're all the same. I'll keep my cross blue. Phew, conscience clear" Leaves me scratching my head, looking even more confused than normal.

Very kind, thank you!

I think that most people don't care about politics enough to really read and consider what's going on. And the Mail/Sun/telegraph increasingly are in the business of turning readers brains into mush that won't question the increasingly desperate slop they're publishing.

[epwc]

It's hard to find anything resembling a fact in the Mail (I'm exposed to this vile publication through my in laws)

[sturginho]

Meanwhile Lettuce Liz is still here

[Hal Jordan]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... bad-people

Come now, who among us has not sent panicked pleas for four figure sums to save us from bad men in the wee small hours of the morning?

Let he who is without sin and all that.

[TB63]

Apologies if posted previously..but WTF?..

[Insane_Homer]

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[epwc]

Amazing that Reform are polling higher than Lib Dems

[sturginho]

Apologies if posted previously..but WTF?..

Kwasi's on that list a few times

[Insane_Homer]

Apologies if posted previously..but WTF?..

Spoiler

Show

That can't be real?

[Insane_Homer]

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[sturginho]

FarkinHell.jpg

[Lobby]

Apologies if posted previously..but WTF?..

Kwasi's on that list a few times

William Wragg's on that list as well, not for handing out other MPs personal details, but for starring in a video in which 3 males pissed on him!

[Slick]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... bad-people

Come now, who among us has not sent panicked pleas for four figure sums to save us from bad men in the wee small hours of the morning?

Let he who is without sin and all that.

Funnily enough, someone I know did this just before Christmas

[Slick]

Apologies if posted previously..but WTF?..

Kwasi's on that list a few times

William Wragg's on that list as well, not for handing out other MPs personal details, but for starring in a video in which 3 males pissed on him!

I thought we wanted our MP's to have real world experience

[sturginho]

WillofthePeoplemyArse.jpeg

here's what happens when you put those numbers into electoral calculus

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcg ... 2019nbbase

[Lobby]

Kwasi's on that list a few times

William Wragg's on that list as well, not for handing out other MPs personal details, but for starring in a video in which 3 males pissed on him!

I thought we wanted our MP's to have real world experience

[Hal Jordan]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... bad-people

Come now, who among us has not sent panicked pleas for four figure sums to save us from bad men in the wee small hours of the morning?

Let he who is without sin and all that.

Funnily enough, someone I know did this just before Christmas

Openside?