The Official English Rugby Thread

[sockwithaticket]

Saints looked the better team in the first half, but weren't making things stick. Much better in the second. I suspect the rugby press will make a lot of Tigers' cards, but Northampton have had their own yellows to contend with and just look like they have a lot more to say in attack than a pretty limited Leicester team.

[Oxbow]

Two things. Langdon is the best hooker in the Premiership at the moment, and Hassell-Collins is absolute shite these days.

[SaintK]

Two things. Langdon is the best hooker in the Premiership at the moment, and Hassell-Collins is absolute shite these days.

Langdon has been an inspired signing
Thought Fin Smith was excellent when he came on

[sockwithaticket]

Smith and Freeman coming on, plus the restoration of Furbank to fullback, really twisted the knife.

[JM2K6]

I noticed this during England's shellacking of Portugal, but Hodge is an absolute crowbar. Incredibly greedy player.

[JM2K6]

Think Exeter have been quite unlucky with this ref. But Hodge has been their biggest problem for sure.

[ASMO]

Two things. Langdon is the best hooker in the Premiership at the moment, and Hassell-Collins is absolute shite these days.

He got run down from behind by Smith, i thought OHC had gas?

[JM2K6]

He's looked pretty slow this season. Did he get an injury?


The Sale v Quins game started off looking like another hiding and ended up being a classic. Some superb tries by both sides and credit to Quins for showing a huge amount of heart to scrap their way back into that game. Could have won it at the death. Good win for Sale though.

Enjoyed seeing Murley gas the sub O'Flaherty then completely do Ford to set up Northmore for the second bonus point a few minutes from time. His pace always surprises me.

Bevan Rodd and Dugdale were superb for Sale in the pack, and Aaron Reed produced a couple of world class finishes IMO.

[Tichtheid]

Poor Newcastle, I watched Bristol's semi-opposed run out yesterday. The Toon's 14 points came from two gifts of interception passes, the first from Sinkler was really bad.

Otherwise Bristol were having fun running about playing sevens in the sun, it was actually quite sad to watch.

85-14

[Margin__Walker]

Poor Newcastle, I watched Bristol's semi-opposed run out yesterday. The Toon's 14 points came from two gifts of interception passes, the first from Sinkler was really bad.

Otherwise Bristol were having fun running about playing sevens in the sun, it was actually quite sad to watch.

85-14

It was a pretty absurd capitulation by Newcastle. Most Championship teams would have put up more of a fight.

Clearly a difference in resources, but that's no excuse for conceding 40+ clean breaks and c.1300 carrying metres for Bristol.

Guess they are praying for that Saudi money and a few players have checked out to an extent.

[Margin__Walker]

OHC's never been super quick as wings go. Relied on his strength and balance (for a big guy).

Looks off the pace at the moment though.

[Brazil]

He's looked pretty slow this season. Did he get an injury?


The Sale v Quins game started off looking like another hiding and ended up being a classic. Some superb tries by both sides and credit to Quins for showing a huge amount of heart to scrap their way back into that game. Could have won it at the death. Good win for Sale though.

Enjoyed seeing Murley gas the sub O'Flaherty then completely do Ford to set up Northmore for the second bonus point a few minutes from time. His pace always surprises me.

Bevan Rodd and Dugdale were superb for Sale in the pack, and Aaron Reed produced a couple of world class finishes IMO.

It was a really enjoyable match, with some magnificent tries, as you say. One thing that the Sale fans have picked up on is our lack of place compared to Quins, though I don't think that's wholly fair (Murley is rapid and arguably should have been in the England frame more than he has been, though it's not like we're without options on the wings). Funny thing about O'Flaherty is that whilst he was gassed on the outside, he massively improved things with his kick chase and lines when he came on. Nice to see Raffi back as well, hopefully he'll grow in confidence, as he could've sniped much more than he did yesterday.

My only gripe about the game was side-entry into rucks, there was an absolutely hilarious one by smith where he practically joined from our side of the breakdown, but such is life.

It's going to be an interesting run in to the play offs, that's for sure.

[JM2K6]

Yup until that moment, O'Flaherty looked possibly the sharpest winger on the pitch.

Twice during the game Quins allowed poor high balls to end up in Sale hands - it's almost as if they have a great plan for when it's a good kick but if it's far too short no one knows what to do. Quite a funny example of how drills can backfire.

Marcus' kiwi style clean out was very funny. Mind you, how Curry escaped a yellow and PT for illegally tackling Riley a yard from the line on a maul had me practically throwing things at the TV - I reviewed it in the assumption he was fine then couldn't believe what I saw. Both sides enjoyed the chaos at the ruck at different times and I will grudgingly admit it led to an excellent game as a result. Every time I got grumpy at a decision, quins then benefited from almost exactly the same thing.

Bet you were nervous in the last five minutes!

[inactionman]

Enjoyed the Bath game

Exeter do look a touch one-dimensional and they're not quite as fearsome from 5 yards as they once were. Bath's defence held them out a fair few times.

I thought Orlando Bailey had a decent outing, some missed kick passes but good decisions and good hands, so good to know he can step up to cover Russell's injury absence. Barbeary really is powerful - the back row in general is looking very tidy.

[JM2K6]

Exeter would have had a couple more if Hodge had any interest in passing the ball.

[inactionman]

Exeter would have had a couple more if Hodge had any interest in passing the ball.

They weren't quite walk-ins, but he certainly botched more than one clear overlap.

The more curious bit was how often they coughed up possession from a few metres out with silly knock-ons or penalties. Most unlike relatively recent vintage Exeter.

[Brazil]

Yup until that moment, O'Flaherty looked possibly the sharpest winger on the pitch.

Twice during the game Quins allowed poor high balls to end up in Sale hands - it's almost as if they have a great plan for when it's a good kick but if it's far too short no one knows what to do. Quite a funny example of how drills can backfire.

Marcus' kiwi style clean out was very funny. Mind you, how Curry escaped a yellow and PT for illegally tackling Riley a yard from the line on a maul had me practically throwing things at the TV - I reviewed it in the assumption he was fine then couldn't believe what I saw. Both sides enjoyed the chaos at the ruck at different times and I will grudgingly admit it led to an excellent game as a result. Every time I got grumpy at a decision, quins then benefited from almost exactly the same thing.

Bet you were nervous in the last five minutes!

Given the possibility of Sale blowing it, and the possibility of my son murdering me for Sale having had the temerity to beat Harlequins, yes, it was a touch tense.

[geordie_6]

Enjoyed the Bath game

Exeter do look a touch one-dimensional and they're not quite as fearsome from 5 yards as they once were. Bath's defence held them out a fair few times.

I thought Orlando Bailey had a decent outing, some missed kick passes but good decisions and good hands, so good to know he can step up to cover Russell's injury absence. Barbeary really is powerful - the back row in general is looking very tidy.

Good to see Ojomoh/Lawrence as well. Like to see that combo for England at somepoint.

[JM2K6]

Yup until that moment, O'Flaherty looked possibly the sharpest winger on the pitch.

Twice during the game Quins allowed poor high balls to end up in Sale hands - it's almost as if they have a great plan for when it's a good kick but if it's far too short no one knows what to do. Quite a funny example of how drills can backfire.

Marcus' kiwi style clean out was very funny. Mind you, how Curry escaped a yellow and PT for illegally tackling Riley a yard from the line on a maul had me practically throwing things at the TV - I reviewed it in the assumption he was fine then couldn't believe what I saw. Both sides enjoyed the chaos at the ruck at different times and I will grudgingly admit it led to an excellent game as a result. Every time I got grumpy at a decision, quins then benefited from almost exactly the same thing.

Bet you were nervous in the last five minutes!

Given the possibility of Sale blowing it, and the possibility of my son murdering me for Sale having had the temerity to beat Harlequins, yes, it was a touch tense.

Just remind him of the aggregate score and he'll put the knives down

[SaintK]

Enjoyed the Bath game

Exeter do look a touch one-dimensional and they're not quite as fearsome from 5 yards as they once were. Bath's defence held them out a fair few times.

I thought Orlando Bailey had a decent outing, some missed kick passes but good decisions and good hands, so good to know he can step up to cover Russell's injury absence. Barbeary really is powerful - the back row in general is looking very tidy.

Good to see Ojomoh/Lawrence as well. Like to see that combo for England at somepoint.

The combo took a little while to settle down without Russell pulling the strings I thought. But worked well together

[Tichtheid]

Bit of transfer news - Magnus Bradbury is leaving Bristol and rejoining Edinburgh. He'll possibly meet up with Bill Mata at a service station on the M6 as Big Bill heads the other way.

[SaintK]

Bit of transfer news - Magnus Bradbury is leaving Bristol and rejoining Edinburgh. He'll possibly meet up with Bill Mata at a service station on the M6 as Big Bill heads the other way.

Been playing well when I've watched Briz and he's been selected.

[geordie_6]

Enjoyed the Bath game

Exeter do look a touch one-dimensional and they're not quite as fearsome from 5 yards as they once were. Bath's defence held them out a fair few times.

I thought Orlando Bailey had a decent outing, some missed kick passes but good decisions and good hands, so good to know he can step up to cover Russell's injury absence. Barbeary really is powerful - the back row in general is looking very tidy.

Good to see Ojomoh/Lawrence as well. Like to see that combo for England at somepoint.

The combo took a little while to settle down without Russell pulling the strings I thought. But worked well together

I don't think they've had that much time together either, relatively speaking.

[sockwithaticket]

Good to see Ojomoh/Lawrence as well. Like to see that combo for England at somepoint.

The combo took a little while to settle down without Russell pulling the strings I thought. But worked well together

I don't think they've had that much time together either, relatively speaking.

It's mostly been Russell - Redpath - Lawrence as a midfield this season I think.

[inactionman]

The combo took a little while to settle down without Russell pulling the strings I thought. But worked well together

I don't think they've had that much time together either, relatively speaking.

It's mostly been Russell - Redpath - Lawrence as a midfield this season I think.

It's been a bit mix and match but that is generally the preferred midfield. Interestingly I seem to recall setting up with Lawrence 12/Ojomoh 13 in some matches and vice versa in others.

Prior to this I was worried about Ojomoh getting a bit stuck behind Redpath, due to being a year junior and also the fact Redpath is a fine player and established international, but this shows the good fortune in having some very good young centres in the squad.

[inactionman]

Regan Grace has been rehabilitating with Bath, now signed on for 2024-25 season

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union ... wx0epnjdxo

Exciting player. It's a horrible injury for a winger so hoping he's recovered. Wales could do with some talent coming back into the squad as as well.

[JM2K6]

Hands up everyone who's surprised that Luke Pearce's determination to force teams to use the ball at the ruck just turned out to be performative

[JM2K6]

Farrell repeatedly bitching at the ref for stopping play thanks to a bad head injury suffered by a Bath player... As Pearce said, not a good look

[Tichtheid]

That offside penalty could easily have gone the other way for sealing off at the previous ruck

[JM2K6]

Pretty terrible game. Right team won it.

[Paddington Bear]

Slow burner of a game but that’s an enormous win

[inactionman]

Bah. I was all set for a barnstorming last minute winner but someone greased the ball.

All a bit too cagey, which is unfortunate from a Bath perspective as you'd always back Sarries in that sort of match - they don't make many mistakes. Bath looked to have a decent amount of success when running at Sarries, both tight and wide, and I don't recall many Sarries turnovers at the ruck, but hampered by a fair few errors and misplaced passes which they can't quite seem to cut out. The line-out was a problem all game, Dunn looked like he'd steadied ship after Annett couldn't hit his jumpers but Sarries did a great job pinching Bath lineout ball all game.

6-2 bench hurt Bath when they ended up with 2 9s on the pitch yet again, although unfortunate Bailey's injury happened after Ojomoh had been subbed for Redpath.

I usually find the Farrell love-ins by commentators a but overblown, but I thought he was worthy of the praise last night - very composed. Needs to keep his gob shut when players are hurt though.

Thomas du Toit has been an excellent signing, both in set piece and loose. Bath are just leagues ahead of where they were a season and a half ago (a very low bar, admittedly)

[Oxbow]

Great decision from former Quins scrum half Dickson that.

[Deveron Boy]

Ref and(esp) TMO have been shambles in this game, tm Karl Dickson

[Oxbow]

Saints didn't deserve to win today, but Dickson is a fucking disgrace.

[Hal Jordan]

Saints didn't deserve to win today, but Dickson is a fucking disgrace.

Great decision from former Quins scrum half Dickson that.

Should have been more generous to his brother's old club?

Or not have been in charge of this one in the first place.

[JM2K6]

Dickson is terrible but the recent suggestions on social media that he's biased towards Quins are fucking idiotic if you've ever seen him ref us before. He's genuinely fucked us on multiple occasions.

The care non yellow was a weird situation, but it wasn't a ruck and I can see how both officials thought it was in Mitchell's hands. Definitely feels a lucky one though and I think it's inarguable that had it not been a player already on a yellow I think that gets carded without getting forensic about it, and fair enough. The attack came from Lynagh being held off the ball by Furbank so I don't think I'm feeling massively charitable tbh!

The knock on at the base I didn't think was a particularly controversial call - if you have your hand on it, the ball gets knocked around, and you get a finger to it, it's a knock on.

We copped three yellows and a try from a blatant forward pass so I'm pretty sure Quins won't feel like they had an easy ride.

None of that should change the most important point, which is that Dickson is an awful ref who regularly shits the bed.

[Oxbow]

No arguments with the result, Saints were largely poor today and Quins deserved to win, but Dickson definitely shat it when he realised it was Care and a second yellow would have meant a red. He even started reaching towards his pocket until reality kicked in.

[JM2K6]

No arguments with the result, Saints were largely poor today and Quins deserved to win, but Dickson definitely shat it when he realised it was Care and a second yellow would have meant a red. He even started reaching towards his pocket until reality kicked in.

Yeah I do think it's handled differently without the threat of the red. Referees will find any reason not to produce a red card.

[sockwithaticket]

Saints didn't deserve to win today, but Dickson is a fucking disgrace.

Great decision from former Quins scrum half Dickson that.

Should have been more generous to his brother's old club?

Or not have been in charge of this one in the first place.

I'm happy to put it down to Dickson just generally being shit and having a history of making baffling calls around big decisions, but refs who previously played for a particular club shouldn't be in charge of games featuring them. Regardless of whether there's any real basis to it, fans will talk about perceived bias and it's a completely avoidable distraction. The Premiership isn't so short on matchday officials that they have no choice but to give Dickson Quins games.