Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Biffer]

As it's you, let's start slowly. The British public will get more Identity & Gender politics.

Oh noes! That sounds terrible! What should I do to prevent this tragedy?

Thanks for proving my point. We're going to get more of people like you who don't understand why we're fucking sick of it - and it's only going to get worse once Labour get in.

The people voting for Labour aren't doing so because Labour are decent at anything, they're doing so because of the abject failure of the Tories, Labour needs to understand this, but they won't.

Millions of people in this country are now politically homeless.

Who’s this ‘we’, Tonto?

[David in Gwent]

Which part of my post do you disagree with?

The bit I posted a link for.

I live under a Labour Government, they're shit and incompetent. People here are sick of it.

Wales ? It's not a real Government FFS.

I feel sorry for the UK having to endure the next 4 years under a Labour Government. However, It's the people's fault. We should have had this lot up on the gallows a long time ago.

[epwc]

We should have had this lot up on the gallows a long time ago.

The Tories? I'm not into capital punishment, the stocks would be great

[Paddington Bear]

Tories hold my town council seat by 47 votes. They usually win it with 60-70%. Sharpen up your CV if you’re a Tory MP

[SaintK]

Angela van den Bogerd up at the Post Office inquiry this morning. Very clearly perjured herself previously

This bastard as well. Listened to some of it live, it was excruciating. Hope he gets at least twice as long as the longest sentence that any of the postmasters got.

A former Post Office lawyer has denied “covering up” knowledge of problems with the Horizon IT system after a public inquiry heard that he “sat on” an email highlighting IT bugs, which was not disclosed to the criminal trial of a pregnant post office operative.

Jarnail Singh, the former head of criminal law at the Post Office, was being questioned at the long-running public inquiry into the wrongful prosecution of hundreds of post office operators who were hounded by the Post Office because of financial shortfalls in their branch accounts. It has since emerged that these discrepancies were due to IT bugs in the Post Office’s Horizon computer system.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/ar ... roblems

[tabascoboy]

Sunak's North Yorkshire now under a Labour mayor!

York and North Yorkshire contains some areas that tend to vote strongly Conservative, including the Prime Minister’s own constituency of Richmond (Yorks).

So Labour’s victory in the mayoral race here is notable. A Labour spokesperson described it as a “truly historic result” saying they were “now winning in Rishi Sunak’s backyard”.

“The Prime Minister’s own constituents have taken a look at the two parties and chosen Labour,” a Labour spokesman said.

But a couple of caveats. Firstly the region also includes the city of York which has a lot of students and younger people who tend to vote Labour.

Another factor is the independent candidate Paul Haslem. He used to be a Conservative councillor who quit the party to run as an independent. He won 12,370 votes which is almost – but not quite – the difference between Labour’s victorious David Skaith and the Conservative’s Keane Charles Duncan who came second. Without him, the result could have been very tight.

So Labour’s victory here is certainly eye catching, particularly because of the personal factor to Rishi Sunak. But as ever the picture on the ground is slightly more nuanced than the party spinners make it appear.

[epwc]

Angela van den Bogerd up at the Post Office inquiry this morning. Very clearly perjured herself previously

This bastard as well. Listened to some of it live, it was excruciating. Hope he gets at least twice as long as the longest sentence that any of the postmasters got.

A former Post Office lawyer has denied “covering up” knowledge of problems with the Horizon IT system after a public inquiry heard that he “sat on” an email highlighting IT bugs, which was not disclosed to the criminal trial of a pregnant post office operative.

Jarnail Singh, the former head of criminal law at the Post Office, was being questioned at the long-running public inquiry into the wrongful prosecution of hundreds of post office operators who were hounded by the Post Office because of financial shortfalls in their branch accounts. It has since emerged that these discrepancies were due to IT bugs in the Post Office’s Horizon computer system.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/ar ... roblems

I'd be amazed if any of them do time. But yes I too hope that they ALL serve at least as long as the person who served the longest sentence

[robmatic]

Sunak's North Yorkshire now under a Labour mayor!

York and North Yorkshire contains some areas that tend to vote strongly Conservative, including the Prime Minister’s own constituency of Richmond (Yorks).

So Labour’s victory in the mayoral race here is notable. A Labour spokesperson described it as a “truly historic result” saying they were “now winning in Rishi Sunak’s backyard”.

“The Prime Minister’s own constituents have taken a look at the two parties and chosen Labour,” a Labour spokesman said.

But a couple of caveats. Firstly the region also includes the city of York which has a lot of students and younger people who tend to vote Labour.

Another factor is the independent candidate Paul Haslem. He used to be a Conservative councillor who quit the party to run as an independent. He won 12,370 votes which is almost – but not quite – the difference between Labour’s victorious David Skaith and the Conservative’s Keane Charles Duncan who came second. Without him, the result could have been very tight.

So Labour’s victory here is certainly eye catching, particularly because of the personal factor to Rishi Sunak. But as ever the picture on the ground is slightly more nuanced than the party spinners make it appear.

My Mum lives in Richmondshire and is a lifelong true blue Conservative. She described the Tory candidate as a "pillock".

[epwc]

She described the Tory candidate as a "pillock".

Harsh words, did you admonish her?

[I like neeps]

Biggest story of the elections if she does. And a warming to Sir Kier. Ineffective leadership is the recipe for a total mentalist to replace you.

[C69]

The bit I posted a link for.

I live under a Labour Government, they're shit and incompetent. People here are sick of it.

Wales ? It's not a real Government FFS.

I feel sorry for the UK having to endure the next 4 years under a Labour Government. However, It's the people's fault. We should have had this lot up on the gallows a long time ago.

Like the Tory govt have shown such competence.
I hope that the Tories are out of power for a generation and Reform causes them to split asunder.

That said Starmer needs to get a massive majority to move the governments agenda strongly to the left and implement some radical ideas.

[epwc]

We do need radical action

[Tichtheid]

Biggest story of the elections if she does.

Biggest story?

Fuck the story, it would be a tragedy for London.

[I like neeps]

Biggest story of the elections if she does.

Biggest story?

Fuck the story, it would be a tragedy for London.

Yes it would be the biggest story of the day if labour lose London.

Khan has had two terms as mayor, the Tories haven't even tried to compete in this. The fact it's close shows how poor of a mayor Khan has been. This is what happens when politicians don't deliver, the voter base stops showing out of votes the radical option.

[C69]

Biggest story of the elections if she does.

Biggest story?

Fuck the story, it would be a tragedy for London.

Yes it would be the biggest story of the day if labour lose London.

Khan has had two terms as mayor, the Tories haven't even tried to compete in this. The fact it's close shows how poor of a mayor Khan has been. This is what happens when politicians don't deliver, the voter base stops showing out of votes the radical option.

Outside of London, no one cares.

[I like neeps]

Biggest story?

Fuck the story, it would be a tragedy for London.

Yes it would be the biggest story of the day if labour lose London.

Khan has had two terms as mayor, the Tories haven't even tried to compete in this. The fact it's close shows how poor of a mayor Khan has been. This is what happens when politicians don't deliver, the voter base stops showing out of votes the radical option.

Outside of London, no one cares.

Outside of the city that for better for worse dominates the economy, culture, media, politics of this country, no one cares.

If London goes on the schnide, the rest of the country does too sadly.

[C69]

Yes it would be the biggest story of the day if labour lose London.

Khan has had two terms as mayor, the Tories haven't even tried to compete in this. The fact it's close shows how poor of a mayor Khan has been. This is what happens when politicians don't deliver, the voter base stops showing out of votes the radical option.

Outside of London, no one cares.

Outside of the city that for better for worse dominates the economy, culture, media, politics of this country, no one cares.

If London goes on the schnide, the rest of the country does too sadly.

Sorry but people in Manchester and Liverpool have their own Mayors.
Boris and Ken Livingston and Khan are just personalities to many.
Btw it would be deserved if Khan lost.
His smug face looking glum would be hilarious.

[Paddington Bear]

It would be objectively very, very funny.

Just a shame both options are so dire, London deserves so much better

[Hal Jordan]

Biggest story of the elections if she does.

Biggest story?

Fuck the story, it would be a tragedy for London.

Yes it would be the biggest story of the day if labour lose London.

Khan has had two terms as mayor, the Tories haven't even tried to compete in this. The fact it's close shows how poor of a mayor Khan has been. This is what happens when politicians don't deliver, the voter base stops showing out of votes the radical option.

The Tories switching it to FPTP helps to make the election of Hall even a possibility, however. Can't beat 'em? Change the rules.

[Paddington Bear]

Biggest story?

Fuck the story, it would be a tragedy for London.

Yes it would be the biggest story of the day if labour lose London.

Khan has had two terms as mayor, the Tories haven't even tried to compete in this. The fact it's close shows how poor of a mayor Khan has been. This is what happens when politicians don't deliver, the voter base stops showing out of votes the radical option.

The Tories switching it to FPTP helps to make the election of Hall even a possibility, however. Can't beat 'em? Change the rules.

The voting system was set up by Labour to ensure they wouldn’t lose. No doubt they’ll switch it back again once they have a majority again.

[petej]

Yes it would be the biggest story of the day if labour lose London.

Khan has had two terms as mayor, the Tories haven't even tried to compete in this. The fact it's close shows how poor of a mayor Khan has been. This is what happens when politicians don't deliver, the voter base stops showing out of votes the radical option.

The Tories switching it to FPTP helps to make the election of Hall even a possibility, however. Can't beat 'em? Change the rules.

The voting system was set up by Labour to ensure they wouldn’t lose. No doubt they’ll switch it back again once they have a majority again.

Fucked past the post is an awful system and ditched by most countries. Really good way of making vast swathes of the electorates vote worthless. Not in the interest of either the tories or Labour to ditch it at a national level.

[Biffer]

We do need radical action

One of the myths of populist politics.

We need competence.

[Insane_Homer]

Lib dems ahead of the Cons now

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I really can't see London bucking this trend and voting for that mental hag.

[epwc]

We do need radical action

One of the myths of populist politics.

We need competence.

I disagree, the NHS was an act of radicalism, as was universal suffrage, abolition of slavery etc.

Obviously I'm working on the assumption that there is an existing level of competence within the system, but that may take years to rebuild.

[epwc]

Lib dems ahead of the Cons now

[Sandstorm]

We do need radical action

One of the myths of populist politics.

We need competence.

I disagree, the NHS was an act of radicalism, as was universal suffrage, abolition of slavery etc.

Obviously I'm working on the assumption that there is an existing level of competence within the system, but that may take years to rebuild.

We did radical in 2016 and that has fucked the UK for a generation. Back to basic, competent leadership only please.

[epwc]

We did radical in 2016 and that has fucked the UK for a generation. Back to basic, competent leadership only please.

Point taken, we need pragmatism, competence and courage.

It was fear of the right of his party that led Cameron to the Brexit abyss.

[Biffer]

We did radical in 2016 and that has fucked the UK for a generation. Back to basic, competent leadership only please.

Point taken, we need pragmatism, competence and courage.

It was fear of the right of his party that led Cameron to the Brexit abyss.

Yeah, you need to have competence in order to execute the radical. Blair’s government, no matter what else people might think of it, had a high level of competence when it came into office. And they were quietly radical in massively decreasing waiting list, increasing investment in schools and hospitals, bringing public service pay up to more respectable levels, etc.

[Hal Jordan]

Yes it would be the biggest story of the day if labour lose London.

Khan has had two terms as mayor, the Tories haven't even tried to compete in this. The fact it's close shows how poor of a mayor Khan has been. This is what happens when politicians don't deliver, the voter base stops showing out of votes the radical option.

The Tories switching it to FPTP helps to make the election of Hall even a possibility, however. Can't beat 'em? Change the rules.

The voting system was set up by Labour to ensure they wouldn’t lose. No doubt they’ll switch it back again once they have a majority again.

Well, apart from the two elections where Johnson won. But yes. Couldn't lose.

[epwc]

Yeah, you need to have competence in order to execute the radical. Blair’s government, no matter what else people might think of it, had a high level of competence when it came into office. And they were quietly radical in massively decreasing waiting list, increasing investment in schools and hospitals, bringing public service pay up to more respectable levels, etc.

Can't argue with that

[Paddington Bear]

The Tories switching it to FPTP helps to make the election of Hall even a possibility, however. Can't beat 'em? Change the rules.

The voting system was set up by Labour to ensure they wouldn’t lose. No doubt they’ll switch it back again once they have a majority again.

Well, apart from the two elections where Johnson won. But yes. Couldn't lose.

That it was set up to do something is not the same as that it succeeded. See also: devolution being designed to cement Labour majorities

[_Os_]

Starting to enjoy the amount of "mixed bad" cope that's out there.

Tory Boy that doesn't understand people aren't going to vote "other" in the numbers they do in locals. The projected vote share has other on 24%. It's not 2010 (other on 12%) or 1997 (other on 5%) anymore. He thinks a quarter of England's electorate are rocking up at a GE to vote for parties which aren't Labour/Lib Dems/Tories, and will instead opt for Reform/Greens/independents/residents parties.

The Projected National Share is in and Labour are 9 points ahead, the same as last year (34-25).
With the biggest swing in Labour's *entire electoral history* needed for a majority of 1 at the general election, are we really saying this is a party set for a landslide?

Journo desperate for a more interesting story than "Labour will win by a landslide". The Tories waffle incoherently about Rayner's tax returns and cutting benefits to disabled people, when they're not doing that they're raving incoherently about immigration, it is not winning votes. Starmer doesn't need to do anything more than make sure Labour doesn't look loony, the Tory dumpster fire is that massive.

ANALYSIS: Terrible set of results for Tories. Lab "very happy" with wins around country, but as Tories hemorrhage seats, looks like Lab need to do more to win sizeable maj at GE. Voters buying in to 'change' but as votes scatter, Starmer needs to do more to sealed the deal

[C69]

Yeah, you need to have competence in order to execute the radical. Blair’s government, no matter what else people might think of it, had a high level of competence when it came into office. And they were quietly radical in massively decreasing waiting list, increasing investment in schools and hospitals, bringing public service pay up to more respectable levels, etc.

Can't argue with that

I can certainly argue with that regards public sector pay.
In the NHS at least it was spin.
Staged pay rises at times and market forces factors brought in re negotiations

[sefton]

I wonder, based on zero fucking evidence, whether the theatrics we've seen with Tory officials not having photo ID is to rub it in that Khan's vote has severely declined due to his supporters not having the appropriate ID.

[Lobby]

Lib dems ahead of the Cons now

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I really can't see London bucking this trend and voting for that mental hag.

Although it would be a surprise, it's certainly a possibility through a combination of factors. The biggest Labour areas are in Central London where the turnout is lower. Outer London where turnout is a bit higher is more conservative. Gaza could also have caused some voters to switch to the Greens or other more left-wing candidates. ULEZ is very unpopular with SUV drivers in outer London and the Tories have centred their campaign on Susan Hall's opposition to ULEZ and other net zero policies, as well as complaining about black people and Muslims. Khan also has lower personal ratings than the Labour party, so there will be some who will vote Labour for the Assembly, but not for Kahn for Mayor. The consistently large polling lead of 22 pts for Khan could also work against him in that voters may feel less inclined to vote, or safe to vote for other candidates, because they think its safe to do so.

Labour party activists were also worried about the change to FPTP. In the last election in 2021, Khan only had a 5pt lead over Shaun Bailey after the first round. That moved out to an 11pt lead after the other votes were transferred.

If Hall does win, it will be largely because of votes against Khan, rather than votes for her.

[shaggy]

Lib dems ahead of the Cons now

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I really can't see London bucking this trend and voting for that mental hag.

Although it would be a surprise, it's certainly a possibility through a combination of factors. The biggest Labour areas are in Central London where the turnout is lower. Outer London where turnout is a bit higher is more conservative. Gaza could also have caused some voters to switch to the Greens or other more left-wing candidates. ULEZ is very unpopular with SUV drivers in outer London and the Tories have centred their campaign on Susan Hall's opposition to ULEZ and other net zero policies, as well as complaining about black people and Muslims. Khan also has lower personal ratings than the Labour party, so there will be some who will vote Labour for the Assembly, but not for Kahn for Mayor. The consistently large polling lead of 22 pts for Khan could also work against him in that voters may feel less inclined to vote, or safe to vote for other candidates, because they think its safe to do so.

Labour party activists were also worried about the change to FPTP. In the last election in 2021, Khan only had a 5pt lead over Shaun Bailey after the first round. That moved out to an 11pt lead after the other votes were transferred.

If Hall does win, it will be largely because of votes against Khan, rather than votes for her.

The ULEZ resistance in outer boroughs has been from trades and pensioners from what I have seen.

[David in Gwent]

Yeah, you need to have competence in order to execute the radical. Blair’s government, no matter what else people might think of it, had a high level of competence when it came into office. And they were quietly radical in massively decreasing waiting list, increasing investment in schools and hospitals, bringing public service pay up to more respectable levels, etc.

Can't argue with that

Just a pity about that illegal war that killed millions and destabilised the entire world, entirely built on lies.

But yeah, other than that, public service pay was ok.

[Biffer]

Yeah, you need to have competence in order to execute the radical. Blair’s government, no matter what else people might think of it, had a high level of competence when it came into office. And they were quietly radical in massively decreasing waiting list, increasing investment in schools and hospitals, bringing public service pay up to more respectable levels, etc.

Can't argue with that

Just a pity about that illegal war that killed millions and destabilised the entire world, entirely built on lies.

But yeah, other than that, public service pay was ok.

Hence the caveat in the original post you fucking thick cunt.

[David in Gwent]

Can't argue with that

Just a pity about that illegal war that killed millions and destabilised the entire world, entirely built on lies.

But yeah, other than that, public service pay was ok.

Hence the caveat in the original post you fucking thick cunt.

LOL.

[C69]

Let's be honest Khan is going to walk the election.