Stop voting for fucking Tories

[inactionman]

Anyone who believes that conspiracies like this could happen with everyone involved working to the same goal has never been a Project Manager.

I've been a PM. People who don't do what they are told to do are gotten rid of and people are added who will follow orders. No room for any passengers.

Follow orders? All a bit militant.

[David in Gwent]

Yes, you are.

As is fairly obvious.

so the Iraq war and it's consequences was just bad luck, right?

No, it was badly planned, badly thought out idea executed by people who believed things that weren't true and were subject to massive doses of confirmation bias. That doesn't mean there was a plan behind it that's all super secret.

All it means is that you're desperate for there to be a reason behind it, otherwise the world is just chaos, with no meaning and no purpose. Conspiracy theories are a result of the human condition, which means we long for there to be a reason for shit things happening, for there to be someone in control. That's where religion comes from in part as well. It's also a result of us being pattern completers and looking for things that aren't actually there to explain things and put structure round the world.

The Iraq war was a catalyst and is by no means the only example.

The World was destabilied on purpose but you just don't have the guts to admit it as otherwise the world is just chaos with no meaning or purpose that you recognise.

[David in Gwent]

Ultimately, two. Dubya and Blair.

...and those two went on to destabilise the world and are responsible for millions of people dead - and they did that based on zero evidence.

Just a cock-up, right? A Boo-boo.

Yep, a cock-up, good and proper. It was hardly a resounding success, even if it was militarily highly effective.

It was always going to militarily highly effective given the contestants.

Humour me:

If a small group of people could get very, very rich from the war and ensuing global chaos following the Iraq war - don't you think that if they had the power too, they would encourage that war?

[inactionman]

...and those two went on to destabilise the world and are responsible for millions of people dead - and they did that based on zero evidence.

Just a cock-up, right? A Boo-boo.

Yep, a cock-up, good and proper. It was hardly a resounding success, even if it was militarily highly effective.

It was always going to militarily highly effective given the contestants.

Humour me:

If a small group of people could get very, very rich from the war and ensuing global chaos following the Iraq war - don't you think that if they had the power too, they would encourage that war?

I'm sure people lobby for all sorts of things. It's not the same as controlling - at least not in the same way that Putin has pisstapes of Trump and has him bent over.

[David in Gwent]

Yep, a cock-up, good and proper. It was hardly a resounding success, even if it was militarily highly effective.

It was always going to militarily highly effective given the contestants.

Humour me:

If a small group of people could get very, very rich from the war and ensuing global chaos following the Iraq war - don't you think that if they had the power too, they would encourage that war?

I'm sure people lobby for all sorts of things. It's not the same as controlling - at least not in the same way that Putin has pisstapes of Trump and has him bent over.

I'm not talking about lobbying.

A small group of people have gotten incredibly rich from the chaos whilst normal people have had their freedoms eroded - and it's all just a result of a "cock up" and definitely not on purpose, right?

[Biffer]

so the Iraq war and it's consequences was just bad luck, right?

No, it was badly planned, badly thought out idea executed by people who believed things that weren't true and were subject to massive doses of confirmation bias. That doesn't mean there was a plan behind it that's all super secret.

All it means is that you're desperate for there to be a reason behind it, otherwise the world is just chaos, with no meaning and no purpose. Conspiracy theories are a result of the human condition, which means we long for there to be a reason for shit things happening, for there to be someone in control. That's where religion comes from in part as well. It's also a result of us being pattern completers and looking for things that aren't actually there to explain things and put structure round the world.

The Iraq war was a catalyst and is by no means the only example.

The World was destabilied on purpose but you just don't have the guts to admit it as otherwise the world is just chaos with no meaning or purpose that you recognise.

The world has no meaning or purpose, other than that which we make for ourselves. That last statement of yours confirms what I said - you're so desperate for there to be a purpose you'll believe any old horseshit conspiracy theory. Thanks for confirming that's what you think.

[inactionman]

It was always going to militarily highly effective given the contestants.

Humour me:

If a small group of people could get very, very rich from the war and ensuing global chaos following the Iraq war - don't you think that if they had the power too, they would encourage that war?

I'm sure people lobby for all sorts of things. It's not the same as controlling - at least not in the same way that Putin has pisstapes of Trump and has him bent over.

I'm not talking about lobbying.

A small group of people have gotten incredibly rich from the chaos whilst normal people have had their freedoms eroded - and it's all just a result of a "cock up" and definitely not on purpose, right?

Then what are you talking about? Someone had a gun to Dubya's head? Someone pretended to be Dubya and made the decision to venture into Iraq? Someone other than Dubya sent the US into Iraq?

[Tichtheid]

This reminds me of the Robbie Coltrane character Mason Boyne. His wife says that she thinks the Pope is a very nice man, Boyne says, "Pope is just an anagram of the word Epop, I'll give you another four letter word beginning with E - Evil."
"I rest my case"

[David in Gwent]

No, it was badly planned, badly thought out idea executed by people who believed things that weren't true and were subject to massive doses of confirmation bias. That doesn't mean there was a plan behind it that's all super secret.

All it means is that you're desperate for there to be a reason behind it, otherwise the world is just chaos, with no meaning and no purpose. Conspiracy theories are a result of the human condition, which means we long for there to be a reason for shit things happening, for there to be someone in control. That's where religion comes from in part as well. It's also a result of us being pattern completers and looking for things that aren't actually there to explain things and put structure round the world.

The Iraq war was a catalyst and is by no means the only example.

The World was destabilied on purpose but you just don't have the guts to admit it as otherwise the world is just chaos with no meaning or purpose that you recognise.

The world has no meaning or purpose, other than that which we make for ourselves. That last statement of yours confirms what I said - you're so desperate for there to be a purpose you'll believe any old horseshit conspiracy theory. Thanks for confirming that's what you think.

Equally, you're so desperate for order that you can't even allow yourself to think any non-authoritarian thoughts.

[Sandstorm]

This reminds me of the Robbie Coltrane character Mason Boyne. His wife says that she thinks the Pope is a very nice man, Boyne says, "Pope is just an anagram of the word Epop, I'll give you another four letter word beginning with E - Evil."
"I rest my case"

[Biffer]

The Iraq war was a catalyst and is by no means the only example.

The World was destabilied on purpose but you just don't have the guts to admit it as otherwise the world is just chaos with no meaning or purpose that you recognise.

The world has no meaning or purpose, other than that which we make for ourselves. That last statement of yours confirms what I said - you're so desperate for there to be a purpose you'll believe any old horseshit conspiracy theory. Thanks for confirming that's what you think.

Equally, you're so desperate for order that you can't even allow yourself to think any non-authoritarian thoughts.

In what way am I desperate for order? You're the one who desperately believes in someone being in control.

[David in Gwent]

The world has no meaning or purpose, other than that which we make for ourselves. That last statement of yours confirms what I said - you're so desperate for there to be a purpose you'll believe any old horseshit conspiracy theory. Thanks for confirming that's what you think.

Equally, you're so desperate for order that you can't even allow yourself to think any non-authoritarian thoughts.

In what way am I desperate for order? You're the one who desperately believes in someone being in control.

The current order, you found the government's repsonse during Covid comforting (telling you what to do, etc), you find things like going after Net Zero equally comforting. It would blow your mind to pieces if you thought there could be any chance that there was a scam behind any of those examples. This is what I mean by order.

You need that, otherwise everything is lies and chaos.

[Biffer]

Equally, you're so desperate for order that you can't even allow yourself to think any non-authoritarian thoughts.

In what way am I desperate for order? You're the one who desperately believes in someone being in control.

The current order, you found the government's repsonse during Covid comforting (telling you what to do, etc), you find things like going after Net Zero equally comforting. It would blow your mind to pieces if you thought there could be any chance that there was a scam behind any of those examples. This is what I mean by order.

You need that, otherwise everything is lies and chaos.

Everything is chaos. The universe is chaotic. We are not in control and never will be. Your examples aren't exactly in line with my thoughts and are just made up - you're projecting what you reckon people who haven't 'wised up' like you think on to me.

If I was in favour of the current order I wouldn't want to break up the UK for an independent Scotland.

You're the one with imaginary cabals controlling things.

[David in Gwent]

In what way am I desperate for order? You're the one who desperately believes in someone being in control.

The current order, you found the government's repsonse during Covid comforting (telling you what to do, etc), you find things like going after Net Zero equally comforting. It would blow your mind to pieces if you thought there could be any chance that there was a scam behind any of those examples. This is what I mean by order.

You need that, otherwise everything is lies and chaos.

Everything is chaos. The universe is chaotic. We are not in control and never will be. Your examples aren't exactly in line with my thoughts and are just made up - you're projecting what you reckon people who haven't 'wised up' like you think on to me.

You're the one with imaginary cabals controlling things.

The universe is not chaotic. The Universe is run to precise mathmatical and physical laws.

It's not about wising up or thinking "it's the Jews" it's about looking at the evidence presented too us.

Look at the creation of the modern day financial system - built on debt - entirely created to control the masses and benefit the few - correct or not?

[Tichtheid]

The universe is not chaotic. The Universe is run to precise mathmatical and physical laws.

It's not, mathematical and physical laws are a human construct used to describe what we observe in terms we can understand. These laws change all the time as we observe more (Biffer will be able to say this much better than I can)

There is no outside phenomena laying down laws

[Biffer]

The current order, you found the government's repsonse during Covid comforting (telling you what to do, etc), you find things like going after Net Zero equally comforting. It would blow your mind to pieces if you thought there could be any chance that there was a scam behind any of those examples. This is what I mean by order.

You need that, otherwise everything is lies and chaos.

Everything is chaos. The universe is chaotic. We are not in control and never will be. Your examples aren't exactly in line with my thoughts and are just made up - you're projecting what you reckon people who haven't 'wised up' like you think on to me.

You're the one with imaginary cabals controlling things.

The universe is not chaotic. The Universe is run to precise mathmatical and physical laws.

It's not about wising up or thinking "it's the Jews" it's about looking at the evidence presented too us.

Look at the creation of the modern day financial system - built on debt - entirely created to control the masses and benefit the few - correct or not?

Four sentences. All of them factually wrong.

[David in Gwent]

Everything is chaos. The universe is chaotic. We are not in control and never will be. Your examples aren't exactly in line with my thoughts and are just made up - you're projecting what you reckon people who haven't 'wised up' like you think on to me.

You're the one with imaginary cabals controlling things.

The universe is not chaotic. The Universe is run to precise mathmatical and physical laws.

It's not about wising up or thinking "it's the Jews" it's about looking at the evidence presented too us.

Look at the creation of the modern day financial system - built on debt - entirely created to control the masses and benefit the few - correct or not?

Four sentences. All of them factually wrong.

Correct me on the 4th sentence.

[Biffer]

The universe is not chaotic. The Universe is run to precise mathmatical and physical laws.

It's not about wising up or thinking "it's the Jews" it's about looking at the evidence presented too us.

Look at the creation of the modern day financial system - built on debt - entirely created to control the masses and benefit the few - correct or not?

Four sentences. All of them factually wrong.

Correct me on the 4th sentence.

So you accept you're wrong on the first three?

Bottom line, the modern financial system wasn't 'created'. It came to where it is now over several hundred years. Are you suggesting the modern financial system was designed 50 years ago? Or 100? 300?

[David in Gwent]

The universe is not chaotic. The Universe is run to precise mathmatical and physical laws.

It's not, mathematical and physical laws are a human construct used to describe what we observe in terms we can understand. These laws change all the time as we observe more (Biffer will be able to say this much better than I can)

There is no outside phenomena laying down laws

Consciousness is also a human construct, right?

[Biffer]

The universe is not chaotic. The Universe is run to precise mathmatical and physical laws.

It's not, mathematical and physical laws are a human construct used to describe what we observe in terms we can understand. These laws change all the time as we observe more (Biffer will be able to say this much better than I can)

There is no outside phenomena laying down laws

Consciousness is also a human construct, right?

We don't know what consciousness is. If you're going to pretend you do, you are, again, talking bullshit.

But hey, keep changing the topic any time someone points out you're talking shite.

[David in Gwent]

Four sentences. All of them factually wrong.

Correct me on the 4th sentence.

So you accept you're wrong on the first three?

Bottom line, the modern financial system wasn't 'created'. It came to where it is now over several hundred years. Are you suggesting the modern financial system was designed 50 years ago? Or 100? 300?

I'm quite happy to have a conversation on the first two, I'd enjoy it.

Now I'd like you to talk about your view on the modern day financial system, you know, the one based on debt.

[Biffer]

Correct me on the 4th sentence.

So you accept you're wrong on the first three?

Bottom line, the modern financial system wasn't 'created'. It came to where it is now over several hundred years. Are you suggesting the modern financial system was designed 50 years ago? Or 100? 300?

I'm quite happy to have a conversation on the first two, I'd enjoy it.

Now I'd like you to talk about your view on the modern day financial system, you know, the one based on debt.

You'll need to say when you think it was created first.

[David in Gwent]

It's not, mathematical and physical laws are a human construct used to describe what we observe in terms we can understand. These laws change all the time as we observe more (Biffer will be able to say this much better than I can)

There is no outside phenomena laying down laws

Consciousness is also a human construct, right?

We don't know what consciousness is. If you're going to pretend you do, you are, again, talking bullshit.

But hey, keep changing the topic any time someone points out you're talking shite.

I didn't change the subject you melt, Titchfield did and I responded to him.

[David in Gwent]

So you accept you're wrong on the first three?

Bottom line, the modern financial system wasn't 'created'. It came to where it is now over several hundred years. Are you suggesting the modern financial system was designed 50 years ago? Or 100? 300?

I'm quite happy to have a conversation on the first two, I'd enjoy it.

Now I'd like you to talk about your view on the modern day financial system, you know, the one based on debt.

You'll need to say when you think it was created first.

The 1800's with the start of the Central Bank system.

Over to you.

[C T]

These theories tend to be lapped up by the type of people who just love showing off their intellect.

See, you didn't think of that. Did you thicko? You know who did, me with my enormous strength of thinking.

[Biffer]

I'm quite happy to have a conversation on the first two, I'd enjoy it.

Now I'd like you to talk about your view on the modern day financial system, you know, the one based on debt.

You'll need to say when you think it was created first.

The 1800's with the start of the Central Bank system.

Over to you.

So you think something we're using now was designed in the early 1800s with some kind of idea of what the world would look like today? They knew we'd have advanced computing to create the financial tools that are used in markets now? They saw democratisation and the upsurge in property ownership 150-200 years before it happened and put in place a system to maximise the debt people took on to do it? They envisaged lending sums four or five times bigger than their salary to the working classes who were running industrial machinery in their factories? Understood that there'd be a disposable society financed by short term debt where people would want the latest electronic device so would keep themselves in hock permanently to get new, new, new all the time? Predicted the invention of the motor car and the way car financing would work to do the same?

[Biffer]

Waits for another goalpost shift from DAC.

[Sandstorm]

[yermum]

Look we are dancing around the topic here we all know it was designed by the rothschilds and the elders of Zion.

[David in Gwent]

You'll need to say when you think it was created first.

The 1800's with the start of the Central Bank system.

Over to you.

So you think something we're using now was designed in the early 1800s with some kind of idea of what the world would look like today? They knew we'd have advanced computing to create the financial tools that are used in markets now? They saw democratisation and the upsurge in property ownership 150-200 years before it happened and put in place a system to maximise the debt people took on to do it? They envisaged lending sums four or five times bigger than their salary to the working classes who were running industrial machinery in their factories? Understood that there'd be a disposable society financed by short term debt where people would want the latest electronic device so would keep themselves in hock permanently to get new, new, new all the time? Predicted the invention of the motor car and the way car financing would work to do the same?

You asked for a starting point, I gave you one.

Is it a scam or not?

[David in Gwent]

Waits for another goalpost shift from DAC.

Give a previous one?

[Biffer]

Waits for another goalpost shift from DAC.

Give a previous one?

You've gone from the Iraq War to the banking system over 200 years ago.

[Biffer]

The 1800's with the start of the Central Bank system.

Over to you.

So you think something we're using now was designed in the early 1800s with some kind of idea of what the world would look like today? They knew we'd have advanced computing to create the financial tools that are used in markets now? They saw democratisation and the upsurge in property ownership 150-200 years before it happened and put in place a system to maximise the debt people took on to do it? They envisaged lending sums four or five times bigger than their salary to the working classes who were running industrial machinery in their factories? Understood that there'd be a disposable society financed by short term debt where people would want the latest electronic device so would keep themselves in hock permanently to get new, new, new all the time? Predicted the invention of the motor car and the way car financing would work to do the same?

You asked for a starting point, I gave you one.

Is it a scam or not?

Is what a scam? The banking system from 1800?

Or just you, trolling around and wasting people's time? That's the most obvious scam here

Alternatively you should consider the scam is these conspiracy theories you've dug yourself into. But you're so deep into them now that you'll never get out.

[David in Gwent]

So you think something we're using now was designed in the early 1800s with some kind of idea of what the world would look like today? They knew we'd have advanced computing to create the financial tools that are used in markets now? They saw democratisation and the upsurge in property ownership 150-200 years before it happened and put in place a system to maximise the debt people took on to do it? They envisaged lending sums four or five times bigger than their salary to the working classes who were running industrial machinery in their factories? Understood that there'd be a disposable society financed by short term debt where people would want the latest electronic device so would keep themselves in hock permanently to get new, new, new all the time? Predicted the invention of the motor car and the way car financing would work to do the same?

You asked for a starting point, I gave you one.

Is it a scam or not?

Is what a scam? The banking system from 1800?

Or just you, trolling around and wasting people's time? That's the most obvious scam here

Alternatively you should consider the scam is these conspiracy theories you've dug yourself into. But you're so deep into them now that you'll never get out.

You seem to be losing your cool, first accusing me of changing the subject, which I didn't, then accusing me of changing the goal posts, which I haven't. Calm the fuck down.

The financial system is a scam and benefits a relatively small amount of people whilst creating misery for billions.

So on the one hand we have a few people controlling trillions and trillions of debt whilst on the other hand believing that there could never be a cabal controlling the world through war and politics.

[David in Gwent]

Waits for another goalpost shift from DAC.

Give a previous one?

You've gone from the Iraq War to the banking system over 200 years ago.

Comprehension really isn't your strong point is it son?

[laurent]

Whoever stole his Potato peeling utensil should give it back to him.

[yermum]

Capital formation in the late 1700s was obviously a scam. The entire funding of the Industrial Revolution was actually a long term plan by the Rothschild banking dynasty to usher in a secret cabal of shadow bankers to control the west through finance and space lasers

[David in Gwent]

I am off to the Post Office,.

[Biffer]

Give a previous one?

You've gone from the Iraq War to the banking system over 200 years ago.

Comprehension really isn't your strong point is it son?

says the one who's deep into utter nonsense.

[Biffer]

Whoever stole his Potato peeling utensil should give it back to him.

I don't think he's allowed sharp things.