It's almost like these things actually need MORE money to function correctly.SaintK wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 10:30 am All the good work by the Tories in the justice department paying off!
Another pillar of the state slowly but surely crumbling away

It's almost like these things actually need MORE money to function correctly.SaintK wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 10:30 am All the good work by the Tories in the justice department paying off!
Another pillar of the state slowly but surely crumbling away
You can tell its a shit policy as they had to wheel out Chris Philp, who seems more than happy to shamelessly lie for the Tories on any topic, to justify itHal Jordan wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 10:52 am I see s. 28 ver 2.0 is on the cards with the new sex education guidelines, which are the usual batshit culture war lunacy, and will just drive kids to shit places to fund our about sex, gender and porn.
100%, complete bollocksHal Jordan wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 10:52 am I see s. 28 ver 2.0 is on the cards with the new sex education guidelines, which are the usual batshit culture war lunacy, and will just drive kids to shit places to fund our about sex, gender and porn.
Fun fact, I never actually voted for Brexit, I was in Centre Parcs and awoke to the missus in tears about us leaving the EU, god it was funny but I guess you had to be there._Os_ wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 4:57 pmI'll break it down into simple sentences. You voted for Brexit. You voted for the Tories and Johnson.David in Gwent wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 4:40 pmI honestly have no clue what the fuck you're talking about, seriously. Stress is closely related to a lost of serious health conditions, ease springs or at least have a lemsip._Os_ wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 4:38 pm
You need to start learning how to take responsibility for your actions.
Quite odd that the winners of the last 14 years, the people who got everything they wanted and rubbed it in the faces of those they beat. Absolutely refuse to take full and total responsibility for their victory. Why would that be I wonder?
You have everything you wanted. Congratulations you won. Stop behaving like a loser by blaming others and hiding behind conspiracies.
A lot of guff there backed up with you saying "evidence" but you haven't provided any evidence.dpedin wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 9:46 amStarmer holding his nose on these defections but has calculated the means justifies the end! The likes of Elphicke will disappear quickly into the ether after the GE and she will be forgotten however if it speeds up and makes more certain a Tory defeat in a GE then it might be a price worth paying?sockwithaticket wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 9:16 amI do agree with you wholeheartedly, I think the values of parties as a whole and individual politicians should matter. Clearly the Labour leadership have decided political expediency and spectacle is a bit more importantTichtheid wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 6:52 am Personally I'd be asking any potential defectors where they've been for the last fourteen years through all they've done to the UK, (I started listing the failures and the deceit and the corruption, but decided it would be too long a post)
By all means desert the sinking ship, but sit as an independent on the opposition benches
Yesterday the Unions met with Labour over the New Deal for workers and seem to have brow beaten them into returning to a prior version that had been agreed, rather than the recently leaked one that watered down proposals.
It would certainly be interesting to see how any defectors have voted recently in relation to strike -busting bills.
This GE is going to get lower and even dirtier, the attack on Rayner and her ex council house sale over a decade ago is just the start! Tory attack dog MP on BBC R5 is just now referencing something that Starmer wrote about racist immigration policies in an academic law book from 1988 FFS! Nicky Campbell deals with it wonderfully well and refers to his degree dissertation written on Oswald Mosely and hopes that doesnt get out!!! Tories are digging very very deep to try and find dirt and they won't be slow in using anything they find.
They are also using culture war type issues to try and create divides, despite any damage it might do. The latest immigration figures suggest that the NHS and Care sector are heading to a real even bigger disaster due to new immigration requirements and the collapse of foreign workers in these sectors coming to the UK. Their latest 'wheeze' being sex education, including transgender issues, in primary school despite there being no evidence that there is any issues or problems that need resolved, in fact the evidence suggests that it is being handled very appropriately! Girl identifying as a cat will no doubt raise its head again? Feckin bastards!
All NHS Hospital & Community Health Service (HCHS) staff - 1,499,368 Headcount in January 2024. This is 5.4% (76,319) more than in January 2023
What did kids do in the 70s, 80s and 90s? We had a biology lesson and watched "hairy bobbing man arse porn on VHS" - and those generations are almost all acceptant of today's "him/her she/them zee/zem" people. There was no need for explicit sex education and we didn't care about genders because we didn't know we needed too.Hal Jordan wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 10:52 am I see s. 28 ver 2.0 is on the cards with the new sex education guidelines, which are the usual batshit culture war lunacy, and will just drive kids to shit places to fund our about sex, gender and porn.
I don't normally dignify your drivel with a response, but once again, just like the majority of the shit you fling at the bored, your guess is entirely wrong. I have a daughter aged 13 and a son aged 10 and so they are right in the middle.of this EVIL.David in Gwent wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 11:49 amWhat did kids do in the 70s, 80s and 90s? We had a biology lesson and watched "hairy bobbing man arse porn on VHS" - and those generations are almost all acceptant of today's "him/her she/them zee/zem" people. There was no need for explicit sex education and we didn't care about genders because we didn't know we needed too.Hal Jordan wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 10:52 am I see s. 28 ver 2.0 is on the cards with the new sex education guidelines, which are the usual batshit culture war lunacy, and will just drive kids to shit places to fund our about sex, gender and porn.
Telling very young children that they might not be who they think they are and that it's a sure fire way to get attention is actually batshit crazy, verging on evil. I'm guessing you don't have kids.
Put your kids first instead of your own virtue signalling.Hal Jordan wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 12:24 pmI don't normally dignify your drivel with a response, but once again, just like the majority of the shit you fling at the bored, your guess is entirely wrong. I have a daughter aged 13 and a son aged 10 and so they are right in the middle.of this EVIL.David in Gwent wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 11:49 amWhat did kids do in the 70s, 80s and 90s? We had a biology lesson and watched "hairy bobbing man arse porn on VHS" - and those generations are almost all acceptant of today's "him/her she/them zee/zem" people. There was no need for explicit sex education and we didn't care about genders because we didn't know we needed too.Hal Jordan wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 10:52 am I see s. 28 ver 2.0 is on the cards with the new sex education guidelines, which are the usual batshit culture war lunacy, and will just drive kids to shit places to fund our about sex, gender and porn.
Telling very young children that they might not be who they think they are and that it's a sure fire way to get attention is actually batshit crazy, verging on evil. I'm guessing you don't have kids.
Although now I have a son aged 13 and a daughter aged 10, so maybe all this genderbending trannie propaganda has had some effect.
Of course part of the reason the school has to step into so many issues is because you can't rely on parents to even broach a topic, let alone provide accurate information.David in Gwent wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 12:32 pm Furthermore, you should be teaching your kids about sex and all that it entails and not leaving it to the fucking school.
How many parents know enough about LGBTQ+ to be able to confidently (and without prejudice) educate their kids at home? Relieved I don't have to walk through that minefield.....sockwithaticket wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 12:54 pmOf course part of the reason the school has to step into so many issues is because you can't rely on parents to even broach a topic, let alone provide accurate information.David in Gwent wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 12:32 pm Furthermore, you should be teaching your kids about sex and all that it entails and not leaving it to the fucking school.
Well, quite, but even if we restrict to specifically what DAC posted above - teaching kids about sex. Give an average adult a diagram of a vagina and ask them to fill in the labels, how many are going to accurately distinguish between the labia majora and minora. Would they think to acknowledge that not all have a visible clitoral hood? The basic biology will elude a lot of people and without something like a curriculum and lesson plans they'd almost certainly miss out something important even if they tried their best.Sandstorm wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 12:59 pmHow many parents know enough about LGBTQ+ to be able to confidently (and without prejudice) educate their kids at home? Relieved I don't have to walk through that minefield.....sockwithaticket wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 12:54 pmOf course part of the reason the school has to step into so many issues is because you can't rely on parents to even broach a topic, let alone provide accurate information.David in Gwent wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 12:32 pm Furthermore, you should be teaching your kids about sex and all that it entails and not leaving it to the fucking school.
I think you're mixing up middle-school biology lessons with sex education. No young lad needs to know the difference between the parts of the labia, just how to put his willy in there safely and with the owner's permission.sockwithaticket wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 1:10 pm
Well, quite, but even if we restrict to specifically what DAC posted above - teaching kids about sex. Give an average adult a diagram of a vagina and ask them to fill in the labels, how many are going to accurately distinguish between the labia majora and minora. Would they think to acknowledge that not all have a visible clitoral hood? The basic biology will elude a lot of people and without something like a curriculum and lesson plans they'd almost certainly miss out something important even if they tried their best.
Sandstorm wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 1:26 pmI think you're mixing up middle-school biology lessons with sex education. No young lad needs to know the difference between the parts of the labia, just how to put his willy in there safely and with the owner's permission.sockwithaticket wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 1:10 pm
Well, quite, but even if we restrict to specifically what DAC posted above - teaching kids about sex. Give an average adult a diagram of a vagina and ask them to fill in the labels, how many are going to accurately distinguish between the labia majora and minora. Would they think to acknowledge that not all have a visible clitoral hood? The basic biology will elude a lot of people and without something like a curriculum and lesson plans they'd almost certainly miss out something important even if they tried their best.
I'm specifically talking about sex education in primary school children, it's age 7 in Wales, kids that age do not need or require to know about the alphabet people. Only perverts and people who think the government should control all aspects of our lives think that.sockwithaticket wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 12:54 pmOf course part of the reason the school has to step into so many issues is because you can't rely on parents to even broach a topic, let alone provide accurate information.David in Gwent wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 12:32 pm Furthermore, you should be teaching your kids about sex and all that it entails and not leaving it to the fucking school.
You can really quite easily look up what the parameters for this education is on the government website, including this handy primer
https://educationhub.blog.gov.uk/2023/0 ... education/
Of course you're a headbanging loon addicted to perpetual outrage, so informing children that LGBTQ+ people exist = 'THEY'RE MAKING OUR KIDS TRANSGENDER"
Telling 7 year olds that the two men they saw holding hands in the street are a gay couple and that some people love those of the same gender rather than opposite is only perverted in a very diseased mind.David in Gwent wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 2:00 pmI'm specifically talking about sex education in primary school children, it's age 7 in Wales, kids that age do not need or require to know about the alphabet people. Only perverts and people who think the government should control all aspects of our lives think that.sockwithaticket wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 12:54 pmOf course part of the reason the school has to step into so many issues is because you can't rely on parents to even broach a topic, let alone provide accurate information.David in Gwent wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 12:32 pm Furthermore, you should be teaching your kids about sex and all that it entails and not leaving it to the fucking school.
You can really quite easily look up what the parameters for this education is on the government website, including this handy primer
https://educationhub.blog.gov.uk/2023/0 ... education/
Of course you're a headbanging loon addicted to perpetual outrage, so informing children that LGBTQ+ people exist = 'THEY'RE MAKING OUR KIDS TRANSGENDER"
The parent excuse is just that, an excuse.
It's been almost a decade since I last delivered a lesson, but we did try and get the message across that all body-shaming is wrong. You can't help but notice in popular culture, though, that insulting men's penis size and hair line are still very much considered fair game, so I'm not sure how much impact such lessons had.Sandstorm wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 1:57 pm I hope those lads with small willys get just as much support.![]()
A seven your old doesn't give a shit about two men holding hands. They give a shit about Paw Patrol.sockwithaticket wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 2:04 pmTelling 7 year olds that the two men they saw holding hands in the street are a gay couple and that some people love those of the same gender rather than opposite is only perverted in a very diseased mind.David in Gwent wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 2:00 pmI'm specifically talking about sex education in primary school children, it's age 7 in Wales, kids that age do not need or require to know about the alphabet people. Only perverts and people who think the government should control all aspects of our lives think that.sockwithaticket wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 12:54 pm
Of course part of the reason the school has to step into so many issues is because you can't rely on parents to even broach a topic, let alone provide accurate information.
You can really quite easily look up what the parameters for this education is on the government website, including this handy primer
https://educationhub.blog.gov.uk/2023/0 ... education/
Of course you're a headbanging loon addicted to perpetual outrage, so informing children that LGBTQ+ people exist = 'THEY'RE MAKING OUR KIDS TRANSGENDER"
The parent excuse is just that, an excuse.
Moron. That example isn’t talking about sexual preferences.David in Gwent wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 2:13 pmA seven your old doesn't give a shit about two men holding hands. They give a shit about Paw Patrol.sockwithaticket wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 2:04 pmTelling 7 year olds that the two men they saw holding hands in the street are a gay couple and that some people love those of the same gender rather than opposite is only perverted in a very diseased mind.David in Gwent wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 2:00 pm
I'm specifically talking about sex education in primary school children, it's age 7 in Wales, kids that age do not need or require to know about the alphabet people. Only perverts and people who think the government should control all aspects of our lives think that.
The parent excuse is just that, an excuse.
There is a time and a place for talking about people's sexual preferences and it isn't age 7.
Kids are observant and incessantly ask questions about all sorts of things, especially things that are new to them. They also have practically no filter. If you live somewhere where there are out homosexual couples, I'd be amazed if they got to seven before their child mentioned it.David in Gwent wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 2:13 pmA seven your old doesn't give a shit about two men holding hands. They give a shit about Paw Patrol.sockwithaticket wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 2:04 pmTelling 7 year olds that the two men they saw holding hands in the street are a gay couple and that some people love those of the same gender rather than opposite is only perverted in a very diseased mind.David in Gwent wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 2:00 pm
I'm specifically talking about sex education in primary school children, it's age 7 in Wales, kids that age do not need or require to know about the alphabet people. Only perverts and people who think the government should control all aspects of our lives think that.
The parent excuse is just that, an excuse.
There is a time and a place for talking about people's sexual preferences and it isn't age 7.
I am no longer surprised by people who care more about the language and the faux-offensive taken on behalf of someone else than giving sex education classes to 7 year children.Slick wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 4:22 pmMoron. That example isn’t talking about sexual preferences.David in Gwent wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 2:13 pmA seven your old doesn't give a shit about two men holding hands. They give a shit about Paw Patrol.sockwithaticket wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 2:04 pm
Telling 7 year olds that the two men they saw holding hands in the street are a gay couple and that some people love those of the same gender rather than opposite is only perverted in a very diseased mind.
There is a time and a place for talking about people's sexual preferences and it isn't age 7.
Body shaming? If people are obese then it should be pointed out to them that being grossly overweight is unhealthysockwithaticket wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 2:06 pmIt's been almost a decade since I last delivered a lesson, but we did try and get the message across that all body-shaming is wrong. You can't help but notice in popular culture, though, that insulting men's penis size and hair line are still very much considered fair game, so I'm not sure how much impact such lessons had.Sandstorm wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 1:57 pm I hope those lads with small willys get just as much support.![]()
You seem to want to replace parents with the state?sockwithaticket wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 4:29 pmKids are observant and incessantly ask questions about all sorts of things, especially things that are new to them. They also have practically no filter. If you live somewhere where there are out homosexual couples, I'd be amazed if they got to seven before their child mentioned it.David in Gwent wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 2:13 pmA seven your old doesn't give a shit about two men holding hands. They give a shit about Paw Patrol.sockwithaticket wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 2:04 pm
Telling 7 year olds that the two men they saw holding hands in the street are a gay couple and that some people love those of the same gender rather than opposite is only perverted in a very diseased mind.
There is a time and a place for talking about people's sexual preferences and it isn't age 7.
David in Gwent wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 4:39 pmYou seem to want to replace parents with the state?sockwithaticket wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 4:29 pmKids are observant and incessantly ask questions about all sorts of things, especially things that are new to them. They also have practically no filter. If you live somewhere where there are out homosexual couples, I'd be amazed if they got to seven before their child mentioned it.David in Gwent wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 2:13 pm
A seven your old doesn't give a shit about two men holding hands. They give a shit about Paw Patrol.
There is a time and a place for talking about people's sexual preferences and it isn't age 7.
I'm all for sex education, covering all of the bases at a suitable age, say 13. Not at 7.
You can express that obesity is unhealthy without shaming someone. Not least because belittling or ridiculing them often doesn't encourage them to take positive action to correct the problem.C69 wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 4:36 pmBody shaming? If people are obese then it should be pointed out to them that being grossly overweight is unhealthysockwithaticket wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 2:06 pmIt's been almost a decade since I last delivered a lesson, but we did try and get the message across that all body-shaming is wrong. You can't help but notice in popular culture, though, that insulting men's penis size and hair line are still very much considered fair game, so I'm not sure how much impact such lessons had.Sandstorm wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 1:57 pm I hope those lads with small willys get just as much support.![]()
Just as is being excessively underweight.
You really think sex education classes would have stopped those girls getting pregnant at 12 and 13? Same thing happened in my school in the 80s. The 99.5% of the other girls didn't get pregnant and we had zero sex education other than biology.sockwithaticket wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 4:47 pmDavid in Gwent wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 4:39 pmYou seem to want to replace parents with the state?sockwithaticket wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 4:29 pm
Kids are observant and incessantly ask questions about all sorts of things, especially things that are new to them. They also have practically no filter. If you live somewhere where there are out homosexual couples, I'd be amazed if they got to seven before their child mentioned it.
I'm all for sex education, covering all of the bases at a suitable age, say 13. Not at 7.
So I see you decided not to follow the link I posted as to what RSHE lessons actually cover for primary school. No one is teaching 7 year olds about sex. Telling them LGBTQ+ people exist isn't sex education.
13 is too late. When I was teaching we had 12 and 13 year old girls having pregnancy scares and coming to members of staff about it rather than their parents.
There are a lot of areas where the state has to step in and ameliorate the inadequacy of parents, education is just one of them. We're never going to have a time where only those who pass some sort parenting aptitude test before popping out a sprog, so it will continue to be necessary.
What harm is done by him knowing?
What harm is done by him not knowing?
Ignorance is the root of racism, homophobia etc.
No, environment is the root of racism, homophobia, not ignorance.
That is statistically impressive, I have to say. I grew up in a rural farming community and even decades ago there was openly gay people around.David in Gwent wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 4:52 pm
My lad goes to school, goes to football and he plays roblox and super mario, he doesn't meet any openly gay people in school or in his/our walk of life. He does not need to know about LGB people at his age.
WTF is openly gay anyway? It's just a couple going to the shops or whatever, literally nothing to see, nothing to explain to a 7 year old.robmatic wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 5:11 pmThat is statistically impressive, I have to say. I grew up in a rural farming community and even decades ago there was openly gay people around.David in Gwent wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 4:52 pm
My lad goes to school, goes to football and he plays roblox and super mario, he doesn't meet any openly gay people in school or in his/our walk of life. He does not need to know about LGB people at his age.
You don't know that for certain. Underage pregnancy rates have consistently fallen over time as sex education has improved. We'll probably never get to zero, but that's no reason not to keep trying.David in Gwent wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 4:52 pmYou really think sex education classes would have stopped those girls getting pregnant at 12 and 13? Same thing happened in my school in the 80s. The 99.5% of the other girls didn't get pregnant and we had zero sex education other than biology.sockwithaticket wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 4:47 pmDavid in Gwent wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 4:39 pm
You seem to want to replace parents with the state?
I'm all for sex education, covering all of the bases at a suitable age, say 13. Not at 7.
So I see you decided not to follow the link I posted as to what RSHE lessons actually cover for primary school. No one is teaching 7 year olds about sex. Telling them LGBTQ+ people exist isn't sex education.
13 is too late. When I was teaching we had 12 and 13 year old girls having pregnancy scares and coming to members of staff about it rather than their parents.
There are a lot of areas where the state has to step in and ameliorate the inadequacy of parents, education is just one of them. We're never going to have a time where only those who pass some sort parenting aptitude test before popping out a sprog, so it will continue to be necessary.
My lad goes to school, goes to football and he plays roblox and super mario, he doesn't meet any openly gay people in school or in his/our walk of life. He does not need to know about LGB people at his age.
At his age it's up to me to answer his questions if he happens to see two men "holding hands" it's not the responsiblity of the state
I don't doubt what your saying is coming from a good place. However LGB classes at 7 isn't needed.sockwithaticket wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 5:13 pmYou don't know that for certain. Underage pregnancy rates have consistently fallen over time as sex education has improved. We'll probably never get to zero, but that's no reason not to keep trying.David in Gwent wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 4:52 pmYou really think sex education classes would have stopped those girls getting pregnant at 12 and 13? Same thing happened in my school in the 80s. The 99.5% of the other girls didn't get pregnant and we had zero sex education other than biology.sockwithaticket wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 4:47 pm
So I see you decided not to follow the link I posted as to what RSHE lessons actually cover for primary school. No one is teaching 7 year olds about sex. Telling them LGBTQ+ people exist isn't sex education.
13 is too late. When I was teaching we had 12 and 13 year old girls having pregnancy scares and coming to members of staff about it rather than their parents.
There are a lot of areas where the state has to step in and ameliorate the inadequacy of parents, education is just one of them. We're never going to have a time where only those who pass some sort parenting aptitude test before popping out a sprog, so it will continue to be necessary.
My lad goes to school, goes to football and he plays roblox and super mario, he doesn't meet any openly gay people in school or in his/our walk of life. He does not need to know about LGB people at his age.
At his age it's up to me to answer his questions if he happens to see two men "holding hands" it's not the responsiblity of the state
That's absurdly parochial. We can't set a curriculum based on whether each individual parent thinks it's likely their child will see a gay person. We still have some incredibly white areas of the country where you might not see certain ethnicities, by your logic, where that's the case, we shouldn't have any lessons that acknowledge those differences either.
The other problem with leaving it up to parents is some would tell their child that gay people are an abomination, that they're going to hell, that they should be illegal or worse It is the responsibility of the state to create a society that welcomes all its citizens. Countering damaging ideologies from bigots is part of that.
Even outside this, the notion of parental suprmacy is bunk. I remember having to explain to a boy why he got detention for cat-calling some girls. He was adament he'd done nothing wrong because his dad does it too. Some parents suck and if we leave things entirely up to them we'd have an even less pleasant society to exist in.