Hoggy Retires

[Biffer]

Few stories doing the rounds...

Key question about these stories - if his wife kicked him out, how did he do an interview with Ugo Monye at his own house the following week?

[Slick]

Few stories doing the rounds...

Key question about these stories - if his wife kicked him out, how did he do an interview with Ugo Monye at his own house the following week?

And this must be the first time anything the SRU has ever done has worked quite well.

“Lads, a few weeks before the WC let’s try and cover up a non story by Hoggy doing a massive round of interviews, getting a new job, all coaches and senior players doing interviews and all cross our fingers it doesn’t leak out. Oh, and get his wife in on the cover up as well, I’m sure she’s not too pissed off”

[Uncle fester]

With the timing of his retirement, there was always going to be speculation.

I'm waiting for the Zebo declares for France rumour to catch on myself.

That's actually true. Here he is on the preferred local transport

Dave Kearney wishes he had a bum like that.

[Uncle fester]

This is awkward.

That said, bit pathetic if his private life caused his retirement from playing pro rugby.

[Sandstorm]

This is awkward.

That said, bit pathetic if his private life caused his retirement from playing pro rugby.

Same thing happened to Jantjies

[Biffer]

Twenty years time he's going to end up as the traditional fat borders former shagger, sitting at the end of the bar bloated as fuck, seven kids by three different women, none of whom talk to him anymore, telling stories about a lions tours so someone buys him a pint.

[Uncle fester]

Funnily enough being circulated almost entirely by Irish and Welsh.

I liked this bit in the Wail.

The Wales Rugby breaking news and top stories WhatsApp community has launched - and thousands of fans have already joined. You can expect the day's top stories and major updates sent directly to your WhatsApp from our team - allowing you to stay up to date with all the latest Welsh rugby news for free.

Yep, loads about Welsh rugby in that story.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Few stories doing the rounds...

Key question about these stories - if his wife kicked him out, how did he do an interview with Ugo Monye at his own house the following week?

If he's simply refusing to move out after cheating on his wife and kids that doesn't make the story better, it makes it substantively worse.

[Blackmac]

Few stories doing the rounds...

Key question about these stories - if his wife kicked him out, how did he do an interview with Ugo Monye at his own house the following week?

If he's simply refusing to move out after cheating on his wife and kids that doesn't make the story better, it makes it substantively worse.

Yeah, absolutely appalling behaviour. If you are going to shag about, be a man and accept the consequences, but if the stories are true and he has forced his wife and 4 kids out of the house, then as you say, substantially worse.

[Blackmac]

Twenty years time he's going to end up as the traditional fat borders former shagger, sitting at the end of the bar bloated as fuck, seven kids by three different women, none of whom talk to him anymore, telling stories about a lions tours so someone buys him a pint.

Yeah, he will have made good money, but an acrimonious divorce settlement and keeping a younger, apparently quite demanding new lady happy will quickly erode that down to the square root of fuck all. He's not exactly a good pundit so I can't see them falling over to keep him.

I can't believe he was actually kicking about Hawick with the girlfriend. Shows a serious lack of awareness.

[Slick]

Funnily enough being circulated almost entirely by Irish and Welsh.

I liked this bit in the Wail.

The Wales Rugby breaking news and top stories WhatsApp community has launched - and thousands of fans have already joined. You can expect the day's top stories and major updates sent directly to your WhatsApp from our team - allowing you to stay up to date with all the latest Welsh rugby news for free.

Yep, loads about Welsh rugby in that story.

I think, but not 100% sure, that there are 2 different stories.

One about him shagging a teenager behind a tent which most think is bollocks, and this which obviously isn't.

[Begbie]

Twenty years time he's going to end up as the traditional fat borders former shagger, sitting at the end of the bar bloated as fuck, seven kids by three different women, none of whom talk to him anymore, telling stories about a lions tours so someone buys him a pint.

Sounds like my great uncle, except the Lions part.

[laurent]

Twenty years time he's going to end up as the traditional fat borders former shagger, sitting at the end of the bar bloated as fuck, seven kids by three different women, none of whom talk to him anymore, telling stories about a lions tours so someone buys him a pint.

Sounds like my great uncle, except the Lions part.

He shagged a lion ?

[Uncle fester]

Looks like he's enjoying retirement anyway.
Share Message - Former Scotland rugby captain Stuart Hogg charged by police - BBC News
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp4l8vnjvr9o

[dkm57]

Sad end to an illustrious career. Hope he can turn things around and sort himself out for the sake of his family if nothing else.

[inactionman]

The boy needs to stop drinking.

[dpedin]

I am sure I posted on here years ago about him? When I was working I had a female colleague from the Borders who knew him, and his family, since he was a vey young kid. She didn't mince her words, as per most Borderers, and was very disparaging about Hogg, saying he was arrogant and conceited and not a very nice person full stop. She said even when young he was a bit of an arse, so I am not surprised by what has now developed.

On the other hand she only had praise for Darcy Graham, said he was a 'lovely young laddie' who was polite, charming and very surprised about the fame that has come his way. She said he was well liked in his community and just mucked in with all his mates from school and local rugby club as normal and didn't look nor expect any grace or favours - not that he would get any down there!

[Blackmac]

I see there is footage of him after the game doing the rounds. Absolutely blootered on a tram or train. Being very leery with a young blond who doesn't appear overly pleased.

It will be interesting to see if his arrest affects his TV work, after all ITV haven't actually set a high bar for the moral standards of their presenters.

[C69]

He has always had a reputation as an arrogant piece of shit who can't handle his drink.
Fuck him

[sockwithaticket]

There were rumours way back that part of the move to Exeter was his shagging around Hawick, but that he didn't exactly turn over a new leaf in his new city.

[SaintK]

I see there is footage of him after the game doing the rounds. Absolutely blootered on a tram or train. Being very leery with a young blond who doesn't appear overly pleased.

It will be interesting to see if his arrest affects his TV work, after all ITV haven't actually set a high bar for the moral standards of their presenters.

Hopefully yes. He's feckin' awful at it on TNT

[Sandstorm]

The boy needs to stop drinking.

As a bar owner that isn’t likely to happen soon.

[Uncle fester]

Rehab now.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/a ... 2pjjj819zo
A bit sad really.

[Biffer]

The statement published does still have a touch of ‘someone else’s fault’ about it imo.

There’s no apology there. Talks about taking accountability but then it’s all about online abuse.

[sockwithaticket]

The full statement the article's cribbed from. Pretty self-absorbed and unapologetic considering what he's done if you ask me.

[C T]

The full statement the article's cribbed from. Pretty self-absorbed and unapologetic considering what he's done if you ask me.

Just want to start by acknowledging that I have absolutely no idea what it is like to retire from elite level sport. I know BOD struggled, however dealt with it way better than Hoggy. Maybe a better support network around him? Maybe life experiences before that helped him deal? No idea. Also I have no idea what it's like to have all my dirty laundry hung out for all to see.

I think Hoggy has been struggling for a while, reflecting back.

However, all that said, he will not make progress without changing his mindset. He has to adjust 1) His actions, 2) How he responds to the negativity that life throws up.

Just blaming others, it's gratifying but short term. If that is where he has landed I give it 6-12 months before the next bad Hoggy headline.

If that's where he has landed he hasn't had the re-set that he thinks he has had.

When I read the statement I was shaking my head, and I say that with Hoggy (the player) being a bit of a hero of mine.

[SaintK]

The full statement the article's cribbed from. Pretty self-absorbed and unapologetic considering what he's done if you ask me.

Spot on!

[epwc]

Really sad, loved the way he played, but yeah he doesn't sound like someone that's on the road to recovery

[robmatic]

If you were cynical you might think this statement is an attempt at shaping the story before his upcoming court appearance.

[Blackmac]

If you were cynical you might think this statement is an attempt at shaping the story before his upcoming court appearance.

I'm cynical.

[geordie_6]

If you were cynical you might think this statement is an attempt at shaping the story before his upcoming court appearance.

I'm cynical.

Mental health? Tick
Alcohol issues? Tick
Blaming others? Tick

Now all he needs to do is rock up at the court in his best tracksuit, and he's squared away.

[SaintK]

If you were cynical you might think this statement is an attempt at shaping the story before his upcoming court appearance.

Tuesday is the day then.

Former Scotland rugby captain Stuart Hogg will appear in court on Tuesday facing multiple charges including stalking. The 31-year-old is accused of causing fear and alarm – The Times report.
He faces additional allegations under the Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Act for engaging in behaviour abusive toward his estranged wife Gillian 36 with whom he has four children.

A third charge against Hogg pertains to his failure to comply with an undertaking; the details of which will be addressed at Jedburgh Sheriff Court. His arrest followed an incident at the home of his former partner in Hawick Roxburghshire on Sunday February 25 just a day after he witnessed Scotland’s win over England in the Calcutta Cup at Murrayfield.

[Hugo]

I am sure I posted on here years ago about him? When I was working I had a female colleague from the Borders who knew him, and his family, since he was a vey young kid. She didn't mince her words, as per most Borderers, and was very disparaging about Hogg, saying he was arrogant and conceited and not a very nice person full stop. She said even when young he was a bit of an arse, so I am not surprised by what has now developed.

Interesting, thanks for sharing. Incredible the direction his life has taken and he's still only 31.

According to his wiki page he is distantly related to George Best, I had no idea.

When you read stuff like this 12 years later its just tragic.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/17146354

"It's pretty amazing and I hope I can follow his example in the good ways," said Hogg. "He was renowned for his skill on the pitch.

"I'm not the kind of person that does daft stuff off it (the playing field)."

[ASMO]

Aparently he is in talks with Newcastle to come back and play for them.

[sockwithaticket]

Having somehow convinced Montpellier that he'd be worth paying, he's gone and jeopardised the whole thing by breaching his bail conditions

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/ed ... t-29464946

What a twat.

[Biffer]

Having somehow convinced Montpellier that he'd be worth paying, he's gone and jeopardised the whole thing by breaching his bail conditions

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/ed ... t-29464946

What a twat.

That reads like it's been translated from chinese by a pretty poor programme.

[sockwithaticket]

Free to fuck off to southern France after all:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c97dpdjyqqeo.amp

Mr Hogg had been in contact after Gillian Hogg initially contacted him to discuss financial issues.

The court heard that Mr Hogg had been drinking alcohol and "feeling emotional" when he next contacted his wife between 26 June and 30 June after seeing a social media video she had posted.

India McLean, prosecuting, said the messages could be described as "abusive", while defence lawyer Mat Patrick admitted they were "unpleasant" to read.

He argued that the messages were "not threatening" and that Mr Hogg now understands how serious his situation is as he has "had a night in the cells - he has never had that experience before."

He could probably do with binning off the booze. Seems to have been at the heart of much of his shit behaviour.

[fishfoodie]

Free to fuck off to southern France after all:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c97dpdjyqqeo.amp

Mr Hogg had been in contact after Gillian Hogg initially contacted him to discuss financial issues.

The court heard that Mr Hogg had been drinking alcohol and "feeling emotional" when he next contacted his wife between 26 June and 30 June after seeing a social media video she had posted.

India McLean, prosecuting, said the messages could be described as "abusive", while defence lawyer Mat Patrick admitted they were "unpleasant" to read.

He argued that the messages were "not threatening" and that Mr Hogg now understands how serious his situation is as he has "had a night in the cells - he has never had that experience before."

He could probably do with binning off the booze. Seems to have been at the heart of much of his shit behaviour.

If you're a cunt off the booze; you're a worst cunt on the booze, & if you're a jovial bloke on the booze, you;re ditto off it.

It's an amplifier of your innate personality, not an excuse !

[sockwithaticket]

Free to fuck off to southern France after all:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c97dpdjyqqeo.amp

Mr Hogg had been in contact after Gillian Hogg initially contacted him to discuss financial issues.

The court heard that Mr Hogg had been drinking alcohol and "feeling emotional" when he next contacted his wife between 26 June and 30 June after seeing a social media video she had posted.

India McLean, prosecuting, said the messages could be described as "abusive", while defence lawyer Mat Patrick admitted they were "unpleasant" to read.

He argued that the messages were "not threatening" and that Mr Hogg now understands how serious his situation is as he has "had a night in the cells - he has never had that experience before."

He could probably do with binning off the booze. Seems to have been at the heart of much of his shit behaviour.

If you're a cunt off the booze; you're a worst cunt on the booze, & if you're a jovial bloke on the booze, you;re ditto off it.

It's an amplifier of your innate personality, not an excuse !

Hmm, I've known more than a few who are pleasant until they're in their cups. Now, it may well be that their day to day is just a facade, but anyone who's a cunt and suppresses it is doing everyone a favour and at least trying imo.

Definitely not an excuse for Hogg, mind. Just thinking out loud that if he's to try and turn things around and stop digging his increasingly deep hole, not drinking would be a good start. He clearly makes dreadful decisions and is unable to exert any control over his worst impulses while lashed.

[fishfoodie]

Free to fuck off to southern France after all:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c97dpdjyqqeo.amp



He could probably do with binning off the booze. Seems to have been at the heart of much of his shit behaviour.

If you're a cunt off the booze; you're a worst cunt on the booze, & if you're a jovial bloke on the booze, you;re ditto off it.

It's an amplifier of your innate personality, not an excuse !

Hmm, I've known more than a few who are pleasant until they're in their cups. Now, it may well be that their day to day is just a facade, but anyone who's a cunt and suppresses it is doing everyone a favour and at least trying imo.

Definitely not an excuse for Hogg, mind. Just thinking out loud that if he's to try and turn things around and stop digging his increasingly deep hole, not drinking would be a good start. He clearly makes dreadful decisions and is unable to exert any control over his worst impulses while lashed.

We can agree to disagree; but my observation can only be that Hogg was clearly not continuously drunk in his marriage, & the court case makes it clear that his behaviour was continuous, & not some intermittent lapse when he was drunk