Stop voting for fucking Tories

[epwc]

The Tories had no qualms about fucking the economy to appease the racists

[petej]

Respected commentators win few elections, the evidence that the Tories only win from the centre is very very sketchy to say the least, and Kier Starmer got fewer votes than Jeremy Corbyn so I’m not sold that it rings true for Labour either. We also should address that the Westminster ‘centre’ is a long, long way from what the centre of public opinion is on just about everything.

Badenoch’s mad and Jenrick is no one’s idea of a charismatic national leader (much like our incumbent PM I suppose). Could both of them get 35% of the vote? In the right circumstances definitely. Can they go higher? Possibly with a fair wind and a shit performance from Labour in government. Can Labour in government stop the Greens from eating into their vote share? Probably not. We’re in very unpredictable times so I have a very hard time taking these ‘respected commentators’ who live in an eternal 1999 particularly seriously.

Echo the point on Westminster centre. Economically the UK population is a left of starmers labour but on social issues to the right of starmers Labour. The generation who remembers the 70s are gone and people are fed up with private monopolies taking the piss (like the water companies and trains). We are indeed in unpredictable times.

You may have seen Northern Rail in the news this week for prosecuting people for using Anytime tickets that Northern sold them on trains they technically weren’t valid for. People being charged £400+ and getting a criminal record over a £1.90 difference in fare price (this is clearly different to fare evasion for which I am much more comfortable with people getting a hiding)

The railways and English water are fucked. The mess of arrangements, contractual, commercial, legal , financial management etc...means it is complete cluster. The money gets siphoned off and we get the shitty service and the bill. These structures/arrangements are based on siphoning money off and having minimal ownership or responsibility because no sane person would think that's an efficient way to run this.

I'm in a foul mood as I've spent most of my week trying unpick a mess of arrangements (contractual, management and actual physical stuff/product don't align) so I might be able to progress the engineering work and I've had gastroenteritis thanks to the kind people at Wessex water though not badly as I've built up a resistance.

[fishfoodie]

..... I've had gastroenteritis thanks to the kind people at Wessex water though not badly as I've built up a resistance.

Commiserations. Maybe have a squirty dump on Thatchers grave to make yourself feel a little bit better ?

The UKs privatizations of utilities has been an almost complete fucking disaster for the consumer.

Could the telecommunications one be classed as the one success ?

Gas, Power, Post, Water Rail, all total clusterfucks that will end up costing more than was raised.

[Tichtheid]

Could the telecommunications one be classed as the one success ?

It could be argued that tech advances in that industry were always going to improve the system dramatically, no matter who the profits went to, be it private company shareholders or reinvested back into the public purse to pursue even more advances for the benefit of the consumer, but without the money taken out and offshored

Many of the tech advances came from military, ie public spending.

[fishfoodie]

Could the telecommunications one be classed as the one success ?

It could be argued that tech advances in that industry were always going to improve the system dramatically, no matter who the profits went to, be it private company shareholders or reinvested back into the public purse to pursue even more advances for the benefit of the consumer, but without the money taken out and offshored

Many of the tech advances came from military, ie public spending.

Yeah that's exactly why I wonder if the competition would have happened organically anyway, because of the massive change from mechanical/analog, to digital systems.

The misfortune of UK taxpayers is that this first privatization went really well, & so paved the way for many more. In Ireland the reverse was true, when we privatized our telecom company, the people who bought shares got rinsed, & this poisoned the ground for any future privatizations.

[lemonhead]

I suspect we are in for a repeat of the succession of dunces that the Tories inflicted on themselves before settling on David Cameron as someone who could present to the electorate as something other than an irrelevance, overpromoted or a vampire.

Senior Tories evidently feel the same.

There’s always a chance that somebody can rise to the occasion and become a statesman when we least expect it. But in both these instances, these are people who have got flawed personalities. Kemi is divisive and aggressive and wrong about everything, and Jenrick is manipulative – and can be manipulated. They will be dancing on the fucking tables at Labour HQ.”

Wonder just how powerless life as an MP must feel sometimes for those with principles. Rory Stewart had a point

[Hal Jordan]

Jenrick going full.on anti-ECHR to court the vote, I see. Does he believe in anything other than his own wallet?

[Slick]

I am not a massive fan of the hostile environment but there was definitely shenanigans going on with the student visas and it is probably ultimately better if demand for places at UK universities is driven by the quality of the education on offer rather than it being the easiest route through a ballache of an immigration system.

There may have been some shenanigans but not on that scale. As ever, the actual rate of any problem is massively over estimated in the public psyche due to distortion of problems by media sources (see surveys on the number of asylum seekers, boats in the channel, percentage of population that's Muslim, whole host of other things). Even if there are 10,000 people pissing about with the system, that means there's more than £1.5 billion that's disappeared from the economy, about 50% of that probably in University funding. That won't be replaced, so there's a hit to growth, fewer jobs etc, etc.

Maybe fix the system instead of making it harder for genuine applicants.

The sharp decrease in dependents tells you everything you need to know about the people who have stopped applying. I’d love to see this broken down by university, I dare say it is the lower ranked visa mills feeling the pinch from this drop

I was speaking to someone senior at a Scottish university a couple of weeks ago. They are obviously shitting themselves about the drop in African students coming over but also said the number of young kids running around campus and disrupting teaching had become completely unmanageable

[SaintK]

The dinosaur's dinosaur. What an absolute bell-end

[fishfoodie]

The dinosaur's dinosaur. What an absolute bell-end

Does he know Thatcher had kids ?

.... and that keeping her dip-shit son out of prison was a regular issue !

[SaintK]

So the previous ones she admitted to were just the tip of the iceberg!

Suella Braverman sent govenment documents to her personal email address 127 times when she was attorney general, FoI case reveals
Suella Braverman forwarded government documents to her private email accounts on at least 127 occasions when she was attorney general, according to a story by George Greenwood at the Times.

A Freedom of Information request submitted by The Times has now revealed that [Braverman] was forwarding such correspondence routinely while serving as the government’s top legal officer between 2021 and 2022. The 127 emails had at least 290 documents attached.

[robmatic]

So the previous ones she admitted to were just the tip of the iceberg!

Suella Braverman sent govenment documents to her personal email address 127 times when she was attorney general, FoI case reveals
Suella Braverman forwarded government documents to her private email accounts on at least 127 occasions when she was attorney general, according to a story by George Greenwood at the Times.

A Freedom of Information request submitted by The Times has now revealed that [Braverman] was forwarding such correspondence routinely while serving as the government’s top legal officer between 2021 and 2022. The 127 emails had at least 290 documents attached.

I keep stumbling at the description of her having been "the government's top legal officer". I know it's true, but it's hard to accept.

[Sandstorm]

So the previous ones she admitted to were just the tip of the iceberg!

Suella Braverman sent govenment documents to her personal email address 127 times when she was attorney general, FoI case reveals
Suella Braverman forwarded government documents to her private email accounts on at least 127 occasions when she was attorney general, according to a story by George Greenwood at the Times.

A Freedom of Information request submitted by The Times has now revealed that [Braverman] was forwarding such correspondence routinely while serving as the government’s top legal officer between 2021 and 2022. The 127 emails had at least 290 documents attached.

I keep stumbling at the description of her having been "the government's top legal officer". I know it's true, but it's hard to accept.

Stumbling? I'm laughing hysterically, then puking in a bucket.

[SaintK]

The smarmy, chinless wonder has gone full tonto

[dpedin]

The smarmy, chinless wonder has gone full tonto

What a lying cunt! Him or Badenoch is a bit of a Hobsons choice for any respectable (is there any left?) Tories!!!

[Biffer]

Genuinely tempted to write to the cunt with some utterly bullshit story to see if he talks about it in an interview without doing any checks.

[C T]

So a change of some self-imposed rules and we've got £50bn, and it doesn't appear to have "spooked" the markets, a small impact aside.

If I look at expert opinion rather than political opinion it seems to have broadly gone down well, and Hunt's explanation of it slowing down interest rate decreases doesn't appear to be seen as very accurate.

This seems to raise more questions about why the Tories didn't do it, than why Labour are doing it. Any thoughts?

[C T]

The smarmy, chinless wonder has gone full tonto

What a lying cunt! Him or Badenoch is a bit of a Hobsons choice for any respectable (is there any left?) Tories!!!

Feels a bawhair away from "They eat your pets!"

OK. He thinks immigration is a serious issue. OK, fine. Speak about it seriously then.

[Biffer]

So a change of some self-imposed rules and we've got £50bn, and it doesn't appear to have "spooked" the markets, a small impact aside.

If I look at expert opinion rather than political opinion it seems to have broadly gone down well, and Hunt's explanation of it slowing down interest rate decreases doesn't appear to be seen as very accurate.

This seems to raise more questions about why the Tories didn't do it, than why Labour are doing it. Any thoughts?

Because the Tories didn't want the invest in the NHS, they wanted us all to think it was unsaveable so that it would have to be privatised and sold off to the chaps they went to school with.

[dpedin]

So a change of some self-imposed rules and we've got £50bn, and it doesn't appear to have "spooked" the markets, a small impact aside.

If I look at expert opinion rather than political opinion it seems to have broadly gone down well, and Hunt's explanation of it slowing down interest rate decreases doesn't appear to be seen as very accurate.

This seems to raise more questions about why the Tories didn't do it, than why Labour are doing it. Any thoughts?

Reeves has a PPE degree from Oxford before doing a Master in Economics at LSE, she then worked at BoE and HBoS and is an experienced economist. Hunt has a PPE degree from Oxford, dabbled as a foreign language teacher and then worked in PR and property. Hunt was out his depth at the treasury and was only put into the role to provide a steady hand post Blonde Bumblecunt and the disastrous Truss/Kamikazi budget to settle the markets and cover the sacking of Scholar, the Permanent Sec and other experienced civil servants at the Treasury. He was basically told to do no nothing other than look clever in the run up to the General Election. The Tories hadn't a clue by this point and were on a damage limitation exercise.

[Biffer]

So a change of some self-imposed rules and we've got £50bn, and it doesn't appear to have "spooked" the markets, a small impact aside.

If I look at expert opinion rather than political opinion it seems to have broadly gone down well, and Hunt's explanation of it slowing down interest rate decreases doesn't appear to be seen as very accurate.

This seems to raise more questions about why the Tories didn't do it, than why Labour are doing it. Any thoughts?

Reeves has a PPE degree from Oxford before doing a Master in Economics at LSE, she then worked at BoE and HBoS and is an experienced economist. Hunt has a PPE degree from Oxford, dabbled as a foreign language teacher and then worked in PR and property. Hunt was out his depth at the treasury and was only put into the role to provide a steady hand post Blonde Bumblecunt and the disastrous Truss/Kamikazi budget to settle the markets and cover the sacking of Scholar, the Permanent Sec and other experienced civil servants at the Treasury. He was basically told to do no nothing other than look clever in the run up to the General Election. The Tories hadn't a clue by this point and were on a damage limitation exercise.

PPE from Oxford is a red flag, every fucking time. The rest of her experience is good though

[epwc]

Absolute total cunts:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... xperts-say

"Trade body Energy UK estimates total energy cost of leaving bloc could reach £10bn by end of decade"

[Biffer]

Absolute total cunts:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... xperts-say

"Trade body Energy UK estimates total energy cost of leaving bloc could reach £10bn by end of decade"

And in Scotland, we have to pay higher prices than most of the rest of the UK, and help to absorb this extra cost, even though we are an energy exporter, producing about 60% more than we consume.

But yeah, the union is fucking great.

[epwc]

And in Scotland, we have to pay higher prices than most of the rest of the UK, and help to absorb this extra cost

Why?

[sefton]

And in Scotland, we have to pay higher prices than most of the rest of the UK, and help to absorb this extra cost

Why?

Because it’s cold and fucking miserable.

[GrahamWa]

Absolute total cunts:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... xperts-say

"Trade body Energy UK estimates total energy cost of leaving bloc could reach £10bn by end of decade"

And in Scotland, we have to pay higher prices than most of the rest of the UK, and help to absorb this extra cost, even though we are an energy exporter, producing about 60% more than we consume.

But yeah, the union is fucking great.

We pay higher standing charges because "it costs more per capita to deliver power back to each household because population density isn't as great".

[Biffer]

Absolute total cunts:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... xperts-say

"Trade body Energy UK estimates total energy cost of leaving bloc could reach £10bn by end of decade"

And in Scotland, we have to pay higher prices than most of the rest of the UK, and help to absorb this extra cost, even though we are an energy exporter, producing about 60% more than we consume.

But yeah, the union is fucking great.

We pay higher standing charges because "it costs more per capita to deliver power back to each household because population density isn't as great".

Yeah, but no account is taken of the power not having to be transmitted so far.

[robmatic]

And in Scotland, we have to pay higher prices than most of the rest of the UK, and help to absorb this extra cost, even though we are an energy exporter, producing about 60% more than we consume.

But yeah, the union is fucking great.

We pay higher standing charges because "it costs more per capita to deliver power back to each household because population density isn't as great".

Yeah, but no account is taken of the power not having to be transmitted so far.

Isn't it? I would expect grid transmission to be cheap relative to the final miles to the domestic customer in any case.

[dpedin]

So a change of some self-imposed rules and we've got £50bn, and it doesn't appear to have "spooked" the markets, a small impact aside.

If I look at expert opinion rather than political opinion it seems to have broadly gone down well, and Hunt's explanation of it slowing down interest rate decreases doesn't appear to be seen as very accurate.

This seems to raise more questions about why the Tories didn't do it, than why Labour are doing it. Any thoughts?

Reeves has a PPE degree from Oxford before doing a Master in Economics at LSE, she then worked at BoE and HBoS and is an experienced economist. Hunt has a PPE degree from Oxford, dabbled as a foreign language teacher and then worked in PR and property. Hunt was out his depth at the treasury and was only put into the role to provide a steady hand post Blonde Bumblecunt and the disastrous Truss/Kamikazi budget to settle the markets and cover the sacking of Scholar, the Permanent Sec and other experienced civil servants at the Treasury. He was basically told to do no nothing other than look clever in the run up to the General Election. The Tories hadn't a clue by this point and were on a damage limitation exercise.

PPE from Oxford is a red flag, every fucking time. The rest of her experience is good though

Remember Kwarteng had a PhD in economics .... although the topic of his thesis was the English Recoinage of 1695-7. He was basically a very bright historian but out of touch with reality! Perhaps his time working for odious Odey didnt help?

[Biffer]

Reeves has a PPE degree from Oxford before doing a Master in Economics at LSE, she then worked at BoE and HBoS and is an experienced economist. Hunt has a PPE degree from Oxford, dabbled as a foreign language teacher and then worked in PR and property. Hunt was out his depth at the treasury and was only put into the role to provide a steady hand post Blonde Bumblecunt and the disastrous Truss/Kamikazi budget to settle the markets and cover the sacking of Scholar, the Permanent Sec and other experienced civil servants at the Treasury. He was basically told to do no nothing other than look clever in the run up to the General Election. The Tories hadn't a clue by this point and were on a damage limitation exercise.

PPE from Oxford is a red flag, every fucking time. The rest of her experience is good though

Remember Kwarteng had a PhD in economics .... although the topic of his thesis was the English Recoinage of 1695-7. He was basically a very bright historian but out of touch with reality! Perhaps his time working for odious Odey didnt help?

Well, there’s the point about Kwarteng. He likes people to say he has a PhD in Economics, but he doesn’t. It’s in the history of economics. It’s absolutely not an economics degree. Cambridge classifies it as in Political History. And his undergrad was history and classics. He has no economics qualifications.

[Achahoish]

PPE from Oxford is a red flag, every fucking time. The rest of her experience is good though

Remember Kwarteng had a PhD in economics .... although the topic of his thesis was the English Recoinage of 1695-7. He was basically a very bright historian but out of touch with reality! Perhaps his time working for odious Odey didnt help?

Well, there’s the point about Kwarteng. He likes people to say he has a PhD in Economics, but he doesn’t. It’s in the history of economics. It’s absolutely not an economics degree. Cambridge classifies it as in Political History. And his undergrad was history and classics. He has no economics qualifications.

It's not just the Tories.
Andrew Bailey, Governor of BOE, BA & PHD in history.His thesis? you ask. "The impact of the Napoleonic Wars on the development of the cotton industry in Lancashire: a study of the structure and behaviour of firms during the Industrial Revolution"

Yeah, very relevant Andy

[fishfoodie]

Remember Kwarteng had a PhD in economics .... although the topic of his thesis was the English Recoinage of 1695-7. He was basically a very bright historian but out of touch with reality! Perhaps his time working for odious Odey didnt help?

Well, there’s the point about Kwarteng. He likes people to say he has a PhD in Economics, but he doesn’t. It’s in the history of economics. It’s absolutely not an economics degree. Cambridge classifies it as in Political History. And his undergrad was history and classics. He has no economics qualifications.

It's not just the Tories.
Andrew Bailey, Governor of BOE, BA & PHD in history.His thesis? you ask. "The impact of the Napoleonic Wars on the development of the cotton industry in Lancashire: a study of the structure and behaviour of firms during the Industrial Revolution"

Yeah, very relevant Andy

Documentary, not Comedy

[Rhubarb & Custard]

It's one area the Japanese and Germans were lording it over us, appointing people who knew what they were doing whilst we had people reading theology, classics and history, maybe PPE, running the likes of ICI.

Luckily as those economies boomed more and more people want to do easy courses and become accountants and lawyers hoping to earn an income off the back of others doing the actual work bit.

[petej]

It's one area the Japanese and Germans were lording it over us, appointing people who knew what they were doing whilst we had people reading theology, classics and history, maybe PPE, running the likes of ICI.

Luckily as those economies boomed more and more people want to do easy courses and become accountants and lawyers hoping to earn an income off the back of others doing the actual work bit.

The UK is service industry parasite central. It is why things like HS2 and Hinckley C are such shit shows. They add lots of valueless shite, contribute to enlarging enabling functions (that have totally forgotten about being enablers) to interact with them and that just take all the money and attention. Worst aspect of my job by such a large margin is dealing with commercial and financial teams.

[epwc]

The brown people should be grateful for us having destroyed their cultures, religions, societies and of course taking all their shiny pretty stuff to make ourselves richer:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... eparations

CUNT!

[SaintK]

The brown people should be grateful for us having destroyed their cultures, religions, societies and of course taking all their shiny pretty stuff to make ourselves richer:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... eparations

CUNT!

Quite
He undoubtably is

[epwc]

He said: “The territories colonised by our empire were not advanced democracies. Many had been cruel, slave-trading powers. Some had never been independent. The British empire broke the long chain of violent tyranny as we came to introduce – gradually and imperfectly – Christian values.”

Honestly, Christian values? They've resolved the structural issues left behind by Empire in Nigeria? Palestine? India, Pakistan, Bangladesh?

Absolute fucking imbecile

[epwc]

"I would end small boat crossings in weeks"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8dmq88j6rro

I could be the queen of fucking England!

[sefton]

The brown people should be grateful for us having destroyed their cultures, religions, societies and of course taking all their shiny pretty stuff to make ourselves richer:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... eparations

CUNT!

Quite
He undoubtably is

He’s gone from bring a bland but corrupt centrist to a corrupt Enoch Powell wannabe.

[fishfoodie]

He said: “The territories colonised by our empire were not advanced democracies. Many had been cruel, slave-trading powers. Some had never been independent. The British empire broke the long chain of violent tyranny as we came to introduce – gradually and imperfectly – Christian values.”

Honestly, Christian values? They've resolved the structural issues left behind by Empire in Nigeria? Palestine? India, Pakistan, Bangladesh?

Absolute fucking imbecile

Does he not have sufficient self-awareness to know that NI's existence is testimony to the British Empires enduring legacy of fucking up Nations & peoples, because some cunts in Whitehall drew arbitrary lines on maps, with zero knowledge, & expected things to be just fine & dandy.

What a cunt !!