President Trump and US politics catchall

[SaintK]

This business of Labour supporters going across to work for the Democrats is just a bit odd.

Firstly, why on earth are they doing that, but also, does the Orange cunt really want to make a big deal of this? Hasn't he had a steady stream of ex PM's and current MP's from the Tory party going over and speaking on his behalf?

From the Economist US correspondent.

Sorry but nobody in America gives a shit about a few Labour activists door-knocking or whatever. The Trump complaint is entirely cynical, and one of dozens of random speculative press releases I was sent yesterday. I’m not surprised British media is as ever just fucking delighted for a local angle

The story here isn’t “is door knocking actually an illegal contribution,”, etc. The legitimate UK angle to cover is, “Donald Trump will pick massive fights with the British government over nothing if it wins him a nice headline.” Which we know, from his conduct in office

This is the same Donald Trump who is currently doing private diplomacy with Benjamin Netanyahu and (he didn’t deny when asked by Bloomberg last week) Vladimir Putin. He also isn’t being transparent at all about who is buying & what money he getting from his random commercial licensing deals atm

[Paddington Bear]

At this stage of an election no voters are changing their minds and its all about ensuring as many in your corner turn out as you can. If Trump convinces a few thousand people to vote because he’s played a fairly mild nationalist card then it could quite genuinely make a difference. Little more to it than that, albeit from Labour’s reaction you can see that they strongly wish their employees had been a bit more subtle

[fishfoodie]

At this stage of an election no voters are changing their minds and its all about ensuring as many in your corner turn out as you can. If Trump convinces a few thousand people to vote because he’s played a fairly mild nationalist card then it could quite genuinely make a difference. Little more to it than that, albeit from Labour’s reaction you can see that they strongly wish their employees had been a bit more subtle

That's just not true !

The latest polls are now analyzing the "late breakers", i.e. those who have waited till now to pull one way or the other.

Things like 10 States having Abortion rights on the ballot paper right beside the other votes will have people changing their mind, or deciding only once they're standing in the box making their choice !

[_Os_]

America Brain is a problem. Labour and Tory MPs and ex-MPs have taken part in a US election, as has Frog Face. This may sound stupid, but I'm not entirely convinced they understand the UK is an entirely separate and very different country to the US. Making policy is an abstract thing, doing it well takes a lot of research/analysis/thinking. Imagination plays a big role in politics. Someone afflicted by America Brain so strongly they're taking part in a US election (FFS!), is imagining they're American on some level and at risk of fucking up terribly. Quite a lot of Brexit would've made sense if the UK was America, a superpower which could dictate matters. No surprise Frog Face/Truss/Big Dog, are all hardcore America Brained. Tony Blair is America Brained. There's a high correlation between shit and hated UK politicians and being America Brained.

I struggle to see the appeal.

[fishfoodie]

America Brain is a problem. Labour and Tory MPs and ex-MPs have taken part in a US election, as has Frog Face. This may sound stupid, but I'm not entirely convinced they understand the UK is an entirely separate and very different country to the US. Making policy is an abstract thing, doing it well takes a lot of research/analysis/thinking. Imagination plays a big role in politics. Someone afflicted by America Brain so strongly they're taking part in a US election (FFS!), is imagining they're American on some level and at risk of fucking up terribly. Quite a lot of Brexit would've made sense if the UK was America, a superpower which could dictate matters. No surprise Frog Face/Truss/Big Dog, are all hardcore America Brained. Tony Blair is America Brained. There's a high correlation between shit and hated UK politicians and being America Brained.

I struggle to see the appeal.

MONEY !!!!

Certainly on the Tory side. They parrot the same bullshit culture wars narrative that the MAGA nuts do, because it gets them help from them.

Labour has always had a connection with the DNC, but it usually seems more about how to run the campaign, & getting experience of that than any policy side stuff, because they've almost nothing in common on that.

[geordie_6]

Have seen comments about this being a backdoor way to get Vance into the Whitehouse, it being necessary for him to ride Trump's coattails

Vance has gone oddly quiet in recent times.

He's only a candidate for veep. Tim hasn't been all over the airwaves either.

True, but at one point he was constantly in the media for mostly dumb shit. Waltz is still out and about visibly.

Entirely possible that they've benched him for the dumb shit, but god knows Dump manages to produce plenty of that for himself!

[Jethro]

At this stage of an election no voters are changing their minds and its all about ensuring as many in your corner turn out as you can. If Trump convinces a few thousand people to vote because he’s played a fairly mild nationalist card then it could quite genuinely make a difference. Little more to it than that, albeit from Labour’s reaction you can see that they strongly wish their employees had been a bit more subtle

That's just not true !

The latest polls are now analyzing the "late breakers", i.e. those who have waited till now to pull one way or the other.

Things like 10 States having Abortion rights on the ballot paper right beside the other votes will have people changing their mind, or deciding only once they're standing in the box making their choice !

The abortion thing is interesting, seems to have generated a lot of single issue voters, and of course outrage at Diaper Donnie for overturning the law, then claiming he had nothing to do with it

Undecided vote seems to have swung behind Harris, I blame Arnold Palmer's wedding tackle

[TB63]

[Enzedder]

As we near the election, and the closer we come to it them the more I am thinking that the Orange twat is going to be voted in. The social media barrage is overwhelming for the tiny brained voters and there appears to be a fair few of those.

Oh well, he can't hurt me now anyway - every morning does that.

Once again, the show will be a mighty thing to watch - the most mighty watch the world has ever seen, except for his US$100K tick tock thingie.

[Tichtheid]

If Trump wins it will be awful, but more than anything I think it will be an awful indictment on the US electorate - how the fuck does anyone vote for that thing?

He didn't bring down the entire planet last time and I don't think he will this time, but how did we get to the point where this fuckwit, this talentless, tantrum throwing, orange, twenty stone toddler get to be a contender for one of the highest offices on earth?

I see the "MONEY" post above, but there must be better candidates for the money backing/vote than this, Shirley?

Is it that MONEY can do whatever it wants behind the scenes when someone like Trump is in office?

[Guy Smiley]

Is it that MONEY can do whatever it wants behind the scenes when someone like Trump is in office?

Trump is just the latest and most obvious example of exactly that... and it's hardly limited to the US.


Basically, democracy is a commodity.

[Gumboot]

Is it that MONEY can do whatever it wants behind the scenes when someone like Trump is in office?

Trump is just the latest and most obvious example of exactly that... and it's hardly limited to the US.


Basically, democracy is a commodity.

"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people." - H.L. Mencken

[Niegs]

Some good jokes about Tucker's weird speech and people's obsession with yard signs.

[sockwithaticket]

If Trump wins it will be awful, but more than anything I think it will be an awful indictment on the US electorate - how the fuck does anyone vote for that thing?

He didn't bring down the entire planet last time and I don't think he will this time, but how did we get to the point where this fuckwit, this talentless, tantrum throwing, orange, twenty stone toddler get to be a contender for one of the highest offices on earth?

I see the "MONEY" post above, but there must be better candidates for the money backing/vote than this, Shirley?

Is it that MONEY can do whatever it wants behind the scenes when someone like Trump is in office?

It's also an indictment of their electoral system. Sure, far far too many people voluntarily vote against their own best interest for someone with an R by their name, but the Electoral college can render winning the popular vote unnecessary. In fact other than Bush in '08 you have to go back to 1988 to find a Republican president who won the popular vote.

I think the MONEY is very aware of the stranglehold Trump has on the Republican base, if they thought there was another viable candidate through which to run their agenda, they'd have installed them at the convention.

[Niegs]

Don't forget gerrymandered districts: https://www.wired.com/2016/01/gerrymand ... ly-see-it/





I assume the rest of you are like us here in Canada, with reasonably solid blocks?

[sturginho]

Don't forget gerrymandered districts: https://www.wired.com/2016/01/gerrymand ... ly-see-it/





I assume the rest of you are like us here in Canada, with reasonably solid blocks?

Map Men's explanation is hilarious as it is informative

[Niegs]

More disgusting, mis-led / uniformed opinions... as said in the comments, they should have been asked what if Britain wanted the 13 colonies back or Mexico Texas (and much of the west coast).

[Jethro]

If Trump wins it will be awful, but more than anything I think it will be an awful indictment on the US electorate - how the fuck does anyone vote for that thing?

He didn't bring down the entire planet last time and I don't think he will this time, but how did we get to the point where this fuckwit, this talentless, tantrum throwing, orange, twenty stone toddler get to be a contender for one of the highest offices on earth?

I see the "MONEY" post above, but there must be better candidates for the money backing/vote than this, Shirley?

Is it that MONEY can do whatever it wants behind the scenes when someone like Trump is in office?

It's also an indictment of their electoral system. Sure, far far too many people voluntarily vote against their own best interest for someone with an R by their name, but the Electoral college can render winning the popular vote unnecessary. In fact other than Bush in '08 you have to go back to 1988 to find a Republican president who won the popular vote.

I think the MONEY is very aware of the stranglehold Trump has on the Republican base, if they thought there was another viable candidate through which to run their agenda, they'd have installed them at the convention.

Pretty much sums up every democratic country in the world. 80%, actually real figures are higher, will vote for the same party they have always voted for regardless of candidate. As I keep pointing out, the vast majority of support Trump claims is actually Republican support, he is not liked within his own party.

More on election polling and why Americans shouldn't conduct social science. Polls are awarding votes in early voting on political membership rather than doing anything like, oh I don't know exit polling! A lot of Republican voters and Independents have voted Democrat right down the ticket judging from various social media sources that normally have their finger on the pulse. In simple terms, and something we all knew, large pre-voting was always going to favour the Democrats and not Trump.

[Niegs]

[Uncle fester]

More disgusting, mis-led / uniformed opinions... as said in the comments, they should have been asked what if Britain wanted the 13 colonies back or Mexico Texas (and much of the west coast).

It's fascinating how they are "partly informed". They know the names of the leaders involved. They know that Ukraine was once part of the Soviet Union and they know all the narrative details that Russian propaganda has flooded the zone with.

They have done some job of hacking our democracies and the only way we can really counter it is by eroding our values!

[Niegs]

[Kiwias]

And there go the Puerto Rican votes, thanks to the opening act for Trump at Madison Square Garden


https://x.com/yashar/status/1850621642168483922

[Rhubarb & Custard]

A nice touch too comparing Travis Kelce to OJ Simpson, in fairness he'd probably no idea about Travis knowing Taylor Swift and it's not simply what passes for a subtle jibe in GOP circles

[sockwithaticket]

And there go the Puerto Rican votes, thanks to the opening act for Trump at Madison Square Garden


https://x.com/yashar/status/1850621642168483922

I'm vaguely aware of that 'comedian', he's very much in the Joe Rogan bro-sphere where they're all actually quite right wing and love to try and get away with being racist then get sulky and claim "It's just a joke" when called on it.

[sockwithaticket]

Seen a couple of clips of Elon Musk at MAGA rallies and a couple of things sprung to mind:
1) By going MAGA he's found a crowd that will give him the the adoration he clearly craves.
2) He's such a fucking dork who longs to be cooler than he has any capacity to be. He's now added to the 'dark MAGA' silliness with 'dark, gothic Maga'. Comes across as very 13 year old nerd who's just seen The Matrix for the first time. Wouldn't be surprised to see him sporting a leather trenchcoat soon.

[Hal Jordan]

Seen a couple of clips of Elon Musk at MAGA rallies and a couple of things sprung to mind:
1) By going MAGA he's found a crowd that will give him the the adoration he clearly craves.
2) He's such a fucking dork who longs to be cooler than he has any capacity to be. He's now added to the 'dark MAGA' silliness with 'dark, gothic Maga'. Comes across as very 13 year old nerd who's just seen The Matrix for the first time. Wouldn't be surprised to see him sporting a leather trenchcoat soon.

What this will do to Tesla long term is another matter altogether. Certainly his enthusiastic deep throating of the MAGA message is not likely to go down well with those who aren't members of The Church of Elon.

But this is who he always was, he just kept a lid on it until he became the man with the most divorced energy in the world.

[geordie_6]

Seen a couple of clips of Elon Musk at MAGA rallies and a couple of things sprung to mind:
1) By going MAGA he's found a crowd that will give him the the adoration he clearly craves.
2) He's such a fucking dork who longs to be cooler than he has any capacity to be. He's now added to the 'dark MAGA' silliness with 'dark, gothic Maga'. Comes across as very 13 year old nerd who's just seen The Matrix for the first time. Wouldn't be surprised to see him sporting a leather trenchcoat soon.

What this will do to Tesla long term is another matter altogether. Certainly his enthusiastic deep throating of the MAGA message is not likely to go down well with those who aren't members of The Church of Elon.

But this is who he always was, he just kept a lid on it until he became the man with the most divorced energy in the world.

The fact that at a recent PAC advert he called Harris the "C-Word" (not brave/stupid enough to actually say it) is probably not going to do them any favours either.

[Enzedder]

So Trump is leading in 5 of the 7 swing states.

The mad barstewards are going to do it, aren't they?

[lemonhead]

So Trump is leading in 5 of the 7 swing states.

The mad barstewards are going to do it, aren't they?

Whenever I think about it, your profile signature comes to mind.

So yeah, trying not to think about it. Some long lost cordyceps relative's probably hanging round in the Siberian permafrost to put an end to all of this.

[Gumboot]

Nah, Harris is going to kick the fascist's fat stinky arse into touch.

When it comes to the crunch, the women's reproductive rights voters and the "lesser of two evils" voters are going to break hard for Kamala.

Don't sweat the polls. They've been very wrong before and they're very wrong this time.

[boere wors]

Nah, Harris is going to kick the fascist's fat stinky arse into touch.

When it comes to the crunch, the women's reproductive rights voters and the "lesser of two evils" voters are going to break hard for Kamala.

Don't sweat the polls. They've been very wrong before and they're very wrong this time.

Bookmarked.
Lets hope you are right.

[S/Lt_Phillips]

Nah, Harris is going to kick the fascist's fat stinky arse into touch.

When it comes to the crunch, the women's reproductive rights voters and the "lesser of two evils" voters are going to break hard for Kamala.

Don't sweat the polls. They've been very wrong before and they're very wrong this time.

Let's hope the bookies are wrong too then. They are wrong less often, unfortunately.

[Gumboot]

Nah, Harris is going to kick the fascist's fat stinky arse into touch.

When it comes to the crunch, the women's reproductive rights voters and the "lesser of two evils" voters are going to break hard for Kamala.

Don't sweat the polls. They've been very wrong before and they're very wrong this time.

Let's hope the bookies are wrong too then. They are wrong less often, unfortunately.

Perhaps, but they've also been bigly wrong in the past...

[Kiwias]

So Trump is leading in 5 of the 7 swing states.

The mad barstewards are going to do it, aren't they?

Rule 1: don't watch any polls, especially this close to the election

[fishfoodie]

So Trump is leading in 5 of the 7 swing states.

The mad barstewards are going to do it, aren't they?

Rule 1: don't watch any polls, especially this close to the election

Especially when the GOP are trying to flood the zone with bullshit "polls" that fluff their candidate to convince voters that they should support the, "winner".

[Biffer]

Nah, Harris is going to kick the fascist's fat stinky arse into touch.

When it comes to the crunch, the women's reproductive rights voters and the "lesser of two evils" voters are going to break hard for Kamala.

Don't sweat the polls. They've been very wrong before and they're very wrong this time.

Let's hope the bookies are wrong too then. They are wrong less often, unfortunately.

Perhaps, but they've also been bigly wrong in the past...

Let’s also remember that odds reflect betting, not a view of what will happen. They rely on the wisdom of crowds, but I have a feeling there are a lot of magaists out there putting money on due to the crap polls the trump camp have been pushing out.

[Niegs]

Republicans sickeningly making excuses for Trump or staying silent and you have likeable people like this as the counter weight talking about what they'll do for the people. It's amazing that it's so close.

[Jim Lahey]

I find US elections quite entertaining but the sheer number of attack ads on Trump I see on social media, Reddit, this thread, the language used by the likes of the BBC etc., to describe his events, leads me to believe that both sides are as bad as each other when it comes to spreading shit about their opponent.

Trump is a massive karnt, and there is no lack of ammo to throw punches at him tbf. But I feel like we've been here before, and all the Democrat-suppprting "I'm so much smarter than MAGA types" banter can end badly.

Would there not be an argument for Democrats to largely ignore Trump spouting shit and just focus on selling their own ideas and policies?

[Flockwitt]

That Madison Square Garden rally was beyond the pale.

[sefton]

I find US elections quite entertaining but the sheer number of attack ads on Trump I see on social media, Reddit, this thread, the language used by the likes of the BBC etc., to describe his events, leads me to believe that both sides are as bad as each other when it comes to spreading shit about their opponent.

Trump is a massive karnt, and there is no lack of ammo to throw punches at him tbf. But I feel like we've been here before, and all the Democrat-suppprting "I'm so much smarter than MAGA types" banter can end badly.

Would there not be an argument for Democrats to largely ignore Trump spouting shit and just focus on selling their own ideas and policies?

Ridiculous false equivalency.