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Lots of articles flying around in our press about this which will change rugby like it did with cricket.
https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article ... ay-league/
After another weekend of brilliant, tense, skillful and dramatic Test rugby across Europe, Ireland and Britain, there was a whiff of controversy in the air with talk of a breakaway league.

Hours before the Springboks beat England 29-20 at Twickenham and France edged the All Blacks 30-29 in a Paris thriller, news of a breakaway rugby league emerged.

The UK papers were full of details of unnamed American backers, who had “in principle” contracted unnamed hordes of the game’s best players for a breakaway league.

Apparently, 30 players have already signed on to join, which includes several World Cup-winning Boks. No names have been released.

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The Times wrote: “Taking inspiration from Formula 1 and cricket’s Indian Premier League, the concept is for a grand prix-style travelling league featuring eight men’s franchises and a professional women’s competition to start in 2026.

“Each round of the 14-week season would be held in a different city, utilising some of the biggest stadiums in the world.

“Organisers are targeting 280 of the world’s best male players. The recruitment process is underway and it is understood that around 30 players have committed in principle to joining the venture.”

What we know through the various stories in the handpicked outlets is that this league will be played over 14 weeks. The premise is that it will still allow rugby’s centrepiece – Tests – to continue unaffected.

That’s all well and good, but it ignores that entire rugby ecosystems in countries such as England, South Africa, Ireland, France and New Zealand could come crashing down.

Ripping a layer
Test rugby needs to be underpinned by strong domestic leagues and, if this breakaway league actually gets off the ground, it will rip a layer of players out of systems that are already struggling.

In terms of players, South Africa might be able to sustain itself if, say, 20-30 top Boks signed up for this league. More than 20 of the 50 players used by Bok coach Rassie Erasmus this year earn their living overseas anyway. From a practical perspective, it would hurt the Boks far less than most countries.

Ireland, for example, with only four professional teams, could ill-afford to lose its top tier of players to an IPL-style league for four months of the year.

And that’s assuming World Rugby, the game’s governing body, would actually sanction the league. If it didn’t, players involved in it would not be eligible for Test rugby.

Rugby also already has a glorified exhibition team in the Barbarians. The old club has always functioned as an All-Star team to take on big, one-off challenges. It’s unlikely that rugby is ready for eight such teams playing in places where the game hardly exists.

Positives?
Assuming, for a moment, this is a deadly serious challenge to rugby’s status quo, what are the positives?

None is obvious from a spectator perspective. It’s tough enough getting 20,000 to a big club game anywhere in the world – with a few exceptions. Asking rugby supporters to suddenly throw their allegiance behind the Las Vegas Vipers and the Chicago Catfish, or whatever, in a meaningless league, is a stretch.

Perhaps it might attract new fans and open new markets, but even soccer failed to get that right in its first attempt to break into the US market in the 1970s.

Pelé, Franz Beckenbauer, George Best and others were lured to the North American Soccer League (NASL) in the sepia-toned past to somehow make the world’s most popular sport America’s most popular sport.

Starting modesty in the late 1960s, the NASL peaked in the late-1970s with a network television deal and fading big names. Its heyday was from about 1975 to 1980, where it attracted a decent, but ultimately poor, average of 13,000 fans per game.

The NASL petered out in the early 1980s and it took more than a decade for another, less flashy, attempt to get professional soccer off the ground in the US with the establishment of Major League Soccer (MLS) in the 1990s.

The point is that a new league might make a small group of players rich, but will it gain traction?

The IPL, of course, has been a remarkable success, but it was launched in a country of more than a billion people, most of whom are obsessed with cricket.

The IPL wasn’t launched in North America, or Singapore.

Players, though, might benefit. A 14-game season in the new league and perhaps 10 Test matches (assuming they won’t be banned) is great from a player welfare perspective.

If there is one area where rugby in its current form is failing, it’s in the area of player welfare. South African players, for instance, are capped at 32 games a year. For top players, playing about 22 games and earning in excess of R20-million per season must surely sound attractive.

Three years ago, a group called World 12s did an aggressive marketing campaign, positioning their smaller version of rugby as the future.

World 12s might still exist as a company and a concept, but no one has received an email from them in two years.

That’s not to say this new league won’t get off the ground and won’t poach a group of good players enticed by big money and better working conditions.

Kerry Packer managed with cricket in the 1970s and it’s fair to say that it did inspire change in the sport and was arguably the seed that eventually led to the IPL.

It’s unlikely to succeed. But rugby bosses would be wise to take this threat seriously, and even wiser to hear why players are likely to find this option attractive.

Figures of £1-million (R23-million) per player year to turn out for franchises in rugby wastelands such as Chicago, Las Vegas and Singapore were widely reported.

Whichever group of venture capitalists is behind this scheme, they at least did some decent public relations by tipping off a select group of influential publications to test the waters.

But the details were in broad brushstrokes because the finer details are buried behind non-disclosure agreements apparently signed by players (and presumably agents too).
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First I've heard of this, and my instinctive reaction is to hate it.

The IPL worked as there was a utterly ginormous home market that was badly served. That's not really the issue with Rugby.
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I don't have the energy to talk about this. It's bollocks.
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Saw something bouncing around about this. Sounds terrible.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Rugby is much more of a represent your country sport. If it go through it will change rugby for sure. The countries with a good solid structure will have advantage.

The Springboks will loose a lot of players.
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Sounds absolutely shite.
So I squares up, casual like.
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Was all over the rugby sections of the papers last week.
General concensus was it looks a crap idea which is exactly how it looks
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I saw the report in the Torygraph the other day. As others have said, its sounds like an absolutely dreadful idea that would effectively kill off club rugby in most countries.

I also can't see this as being financially successful. The idea that each round of matches would be played in a different city around the World like the current F1 circus, is bonkers and guarantees that actual rugby fans would be excluded in preference to casual viewers from the local city or the very rich who can afford to travel to a new city every weekend to see a group of fake teams without any sort of local or national identity play each other.

Apparently players are being offered around £700k to sign up. The consortium behind this are saying players would still be available for Test matches, but this clearly only an attempt not to completely alienate the Unions.
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Slick wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 11:56 am I don't have the energy to talk about this. It's bollocks.
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Proper, I'll believe it when I see it energy from me on this one.
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When shit like this circulates or trying to take test matches on the road to Qatar you can't help but feel that those at the top have zero understanding of the sport and even less respect for existing fans.

It's an awful idea and I hope it goes absolutely nowhere.
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sockwithaticket wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 1:21 pm When shit like this circulates or trying to take test matches on the road to Qatar you can't help but feel that those at the top have zero understanding of the sport and even less respect for existing fans.

It's an awful idea and I hope it goes absolutely nowhere.
It's the American franchise mentality being applied to other sports. That's the way they run things in the US and it doesn't occur to them that it works differently elsewhere, or that it won't work elsewhere. It's daft because it only works where there's a pre-existing hunger for that particular sport, so expansion franchises or team moves in NFL or MLB, the IPL model in India are all meeting a need that already exists in host cities. This model doesn't have that and it won't work.
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I think it’s a great idea and exactly what rugby needs to grow the game in UAE and Miami.
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I'll judge it when I know more.

I'm not against new ideas. We can't expect everything to stay the same forever. I just hope they're well thought through.
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assfly wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:54 pm I'll judge it when I know more.

I'm not against new ideas. We can't expect everything to stay the same forever. I just hope they're well thought through.
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Slick wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:07 pm Saffers smell cash, that's them gone.
Like I said, I'll hold my judgement.
But we can't run the game at a financial loss because we're against the idea of money being injected into it.
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One wonders why the backers don't just buy into an existing franchise and cook the books a bit (where there's a cap) to draw in the big names? France must be open season, somewhat, no? Was Stade Francais, then Toulon, now La Rochelle splashing the cash. Italy?
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Niegs wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 5:07 pm One wonders why the backers don't just buy into an existing franchise and cook the books a bit (where there's a cap) to draw in the big names? France must be open season, somewhat, no? Was Stade Francais, then Toulon, now La Rochelle splashing the cash. Italy?
France isn't open season; there are now strict budget and eligibility requirements.
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Hellraiser wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 9:02 pm
Niegs wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 5:07 pm One wonders why the backers don't just buy into an existing franchise and cook the books a bit (where there's a cap) to draw in the big names? France must be open season, somewhat, no? Was Stade Francais, then Toulon, now La Rochelle splashing the cash. Italy?
France isn't open season; there are now strict budget and eligibility requirements.
:thumbup:

So they've looked at the MLR and reckon they could do better than LA and San Diego signing some big names? :crazy:
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assfly wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:39 pm
Slick wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:07 pm Saffers smell cash, that's them gone.
Like I said, I'll hold my judgement.
But we can't run the game at a financial loss because we're against the idea of money being injected into it.
Rapport is usually spot on with this. 30 top Boks signed, Sharks is the one losing all their Springboks
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Uncle fester wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 12:52 pm
Slick wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 11:56 am I don't have the energy to talk about this. It's bollocks.
This
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:21 am Rapport is usually spot on with this. 30 top Boks signed, Sharks is the one losing all their Springboks
The real question is how many Paarl boys have signed up?
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Kiwias wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:49 am
Uncle fester wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 12:52 pm
Slick wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 11:56 am I don't have the energy to talk about this. It's bollocks.
This
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I too am not talking about this
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assfly wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 5:44 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:21 am Rapport is usually spot on with this. 30 top Boks signed, Sharks is the one losing all their Springboks
The real question is how many Paarl boys have signed up?
:thumbup: They can create a Paarl Rocks IPL franchise like in SA20 cricket. Will be unbeaten.

I had a rethink about this. If they want to succeed they will have to do this competition in rugby mad countres like SA and NZ.
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Guy Smiley wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 5:58 am
Kiwias wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:49 am
Uncle fester wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 12:52 pm

This
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I too am not talking about this
If you get a work offer with a pay raise of 2000% will you just ignore it?
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Let me be clear, I am an old school rugby supporter. SA Rugby will be the hardest hit with this. Doc Craven use to say " Money will kill rugby" But its going to happen and we must be realistic about it.

The French and the Sharks already pull the best players with money, this is not something new.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 6:09 am The French and the Sharks already pull the best players with money, this is not something new.
It's a professional game. They all get paid and have short careers. Why do you never point the finger at the Bulls or Japan?
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assfly wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 6:24 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 6:09 am The French and the Sharks already pull the best players with money, this is not something new.
It's a professional game. They all get paid and have short careers. Why do you never point the finger at the Bulls or Japan?
Oh yes include them. The Scots aswell.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 7:57 am
assfly wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 6:24 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 6:09 am The French and the Sharks already pull the best players with money, this is not something new.
It's a professional game. They all get paid and have short careers. Why do you never point the finger at the Bulls or Japan?
Oh yes include them. The Scots aswell.
:lol: :clap:
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