An excellent addition - make's a change to see Borthers recruit someone who is actually highly regarded and experienced - hopefully he'll have a big impact over and above just conditioning and fitness.inactionman wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:28 pm Telegraph reporting that Phill Morrow will be in at end of the season, taking over from Aled Walters
Some noise that his role will be a bit wider, maybe too narrow a scope was one of things that led to Walters opting to leave. I'm still not sure quite what went on there.
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He's still playing really well, probably the form hooker over the past couple of seasons, he's just getting ignored by Borthwick.Brazil wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:31 pm What's happened to Curtis Langdon? I'd rather have him there than LCD, with one eye on the future. Pleased that Maro's been made Captain, as he deserves it, and retaining George for at least one more campaign is sensible given what an evidently good leader he is.
Weird to have such representation for Sale, given we're so gash at the moment, but they're all individually class players.
There's a very decent side that can be selected from that lot, be fun to see how they fuck it up massively.
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Changes from the initial squad that was selected in the autumn:
In
Coles
Heyes
Hill
Opoku-Fordjour
Rodd
Willis
Beard
Dingwall
Ford
Mitchell
Murley
Out
Cole
Davison
Ewels
Isiekwe
Marler (retirement)
Underhill (injury)
Feyi-Waboso (injury)
Furbank (injury)
Lozowski
Spencer
Northmore (injury)
Could be other injuries that I'm unaware of.
In
Coles
Heyes
Hill
Opoku-Fordjour
Rodd
Willis
Beard
Dingwall
Ford
Mitchell
Murley
Out
Cole
Davison
Ewels
Isiekwe
Marler (retirement)
Underhill (injury)
Feyi-Waboso (injury)
Furbank (injury)
Lozowski
Spencer
Northmore (injury)
Could be other injuries that I'm unaware of.
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Delighted for Maro, he thoroughly deserves his chance at the top job and has done an excellent job with Sarries. George did everything that could have been asked of him as a caretaker and it’s the right time to switch.
Delighted for Maro, he thoroughly deserves his chance at the top job and has done an excellent job with Sarries. George did everything that could have been asked of him as a caretaker and it’s the right time to switch.
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You'd not have Mitchell, Smith (F), Dingwall, Sleightholme, Freeman or Coles then, if Northampton are over-represented?Stranger wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 6:09 pm (Tigers bias again!)
7 From Sale in 6th
6 From Quins in 7th
6 From Saints in 8th
5 from Tigers in 4th = Tigers bias again ?
I think Joe Heyes is quite fortunate to get the nod, although no issues with Chessum and Martin in particular - both fine players.
JM2K6 wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 9:08 pm I'd back Dommers to outrun a lock, mind.
He hasn't done much for England. Unlike Daly, who was good several years ago and absolute dogshit in the 6N. I guess I prefer "meh" to "oh Christ, Daly is having to run again".
At least we know Daly had the ability to play at Lions test level. Dombrandt is not a test player's arsehole.
JM2K6 wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 9:46 pm Daly was literally caught by a lock in the 6N. He is slower than molasses. I know you don't watch a lot of rugby but he's been shocking for England since his recall
Johnny May got ran down by Scott Barrett FFS. It can happen.
Oh I see the problem, you don't understand the passage of time. You know May also lost his pace? Or did you not notice that when you were watching one of the three matches a year you pay attention to?
I also didn't say steward was quick, because he isn't. But thanks to being a million feet tall, he covers the ground quicker than Daly. But to be fair, so would my granddad's lawnmower.
I also didn't say steward was quick, because he isn't. But thanks to being a million feet tall, he covers the ground quicker than Daly. But to be fair, so would my granddad's lawnmower.
JM2K6 wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 10:02 pm Oh I see the problem, you don't understand the passage of time. You know May also lost his pace? Or did you not notice that when you were watching one of the three matches a year you pay attention to?
I also didn't say steward was quick, because he isn't. But thanks to being a million feet tall, he covers the ground quicker than Daly. But to be fair, so would my granddad's lawnmower.
It's just the three matches I watch a year now is it? That's lovely.
That news will certainly surprise my missus.
JM2K6 wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 10:20 pm Yeah, like the people who get so wound up about being told to leave that keep coming back, time and time again.
Pretty deranged stuff.
There's only one person getting wound up here.
Always there same one too.
I was genuinely worried that Willis might miss his chance because Pollock is a generational talent and Borthwick does not like to trial too many new things. Once Underhill was injured I figured both would make it. I overestimated Steve's imagination.Tichtheid wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 10:24 pm Would this be a good time to state that Henry Pollock has a Scottish father?
JM2K6 wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 10:25 pm Steaming, mate. Not at all laughing my arse off at how funny the Daly shit is.
Say, isn't it about time you had another hissy fit and screamed at someone that they're ruining rugby?
It is true that softcock soy boy types who have never played a game of rugby in their lives have managed to ruin much of rugby unfortunately.
Still, at least you can rely on Ugo. Oh hang on.
Is there someone we should call?Kawazaki wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 10:29 pmJM2K6 wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 10:25 pm Steaming, mate. Not at all laughing my arse off at how funny the Daly shit is.
Say, isn't it about time you had another hissy fit and screamed at someone that they're ruining rugby?
It is true that softcock soy boy types who have never played a game of rugby in their lives have managed to ruin much of rugby unfortunately.
Still, at least you can rely on Ugo. Oh hang on.![]()
JM2K6 wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 10:35 pmIs there someone we should call?Kawazaki wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 10:29 pmJM2K6 wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 10:25 pm Steaming, mate. Not at all laughing my arse off at how funny the Daly shit is.
Say, isn't it about time you had another hissy fit and screamed at someone that they're ruining rugby?
It is true that softcock soy boy types who have never played a game of rugby in their lives have managed to ruin much of rugby unfortunately.
Still, at least you can rely on Ugo. Oh hang on.![]()
You normally go to the moderators. Why not try them.
Absolutely seethingKawazaki wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 10:38 pmJM2K6 wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 10:35 pmIs there someone we should call?Kawazaki wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 10:29 pm
It is true that softcock soy boy types who have never played a game of rugby in their lives have managed to ruin much of rugby unfortunately.
Still, at least you can rely on Ugo. Oh hang on.![]()
You normally go to the moderators. Why not try them.

Thought AOK, was mostly tighthead for sale and loosehead for England u20.SaintK wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:47 pmDavidson should be in ahead of fatso Heyes (Tigers bias again!) and Opoku-Fordjour is a loose head at Sale but Borthwick selects him as tight headinactionman wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:42 pm Forwards: Fin Baxter (Harlequins), Ollie Chessum (Leicester), Alex Coles (Northampton), Luke Cowan-Dickie (Sale), Chandler Cunningham-South (Harlequins), Ben Curry (Sale), Tom Curry (Sale), Theo Dan (Saracens), Alex Dombrandt (Harlequins), Ben Earl (Saracens), Ellis Genge (Bristol), Jamie George (Saracens), Joe Heyes (Leicester), Ted Hill (Bath), Maro Itoje (Saracens), George Martin (Leicester), Asher Opoku-Fordjour (Sale), Bevan Rodd (Sale), Will Stuart (Bath), Tom Willis (Saracens).
Backs: Oscar Beard (Harlequins), Elliot Daly (Saracens), Fraser Dingwall (Northampton), George Ford (Sale), Tommy Freeman (Northampton), Ollie Lawrence (Bath), Alex Mitchell (Northampton), Cadan Murley (Harlequins), Harry Randall (Bristol), Tom Roebuck (Sale), Henry Slade (Exeter), Ollie Sleightholme (Northampton), Fin Smith (Northampton), Marcus Smith (Harlequins), Freddie Steward (Leicester), Jack van Poortvliet (Leicester).
Mitchell for Spencer is reasonable enough, although JvP still there. There were rumblings of Ojomoh getting in, but think that needs a bit more time served. Dingwall put in a good shift as A team skipper so fair enough.
Good to see Willis and Hill, just need Borthwick to actually fecking pick them in a matchday squad.
Is Joe Heyes seen as one of our better tighthead options, or is that a Leicester thing going on? Shame about Fasogbon injury but keen to see how Opoku-Fordjour gets on. Steward is the only full-back in the squad, not sure what Carpenter has done wrong.
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Correct. England have been trying to persuade him to be a loosehead.Raggs wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:11 pmThought AOK, was mostly tighthead for sale and loosehead for England u20.SaintK wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:47 pmDavidson should be in ahead of fatso Heyes (Tigers bias again!) and Opoku-Fordjour is a loose head at Sale but Borthwick selects him as tight headinactionman wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:42 pm Forwards: Fin Baxter (Harlequins), Ollie Chessum (Leicester), Alex Coles (Northampton), Luke Cowan-Dickie (Sale), Chandler Cunningham-South (Harlequins), Ben Curry (Sale), Tom Curry (Sale), Theo Dan (Saracens), Alex Dombrandt (Harlequins), Ben Earl (Saracens), Ellis Genge (Bristol), Jamie George (Saracens), Joe Heyes (Leicester), Ted Hill (Bath), Maro Itoje (Saracens), George Martin (Leicester), Asher Opoku-Fordjour (Sale), Bevan Rodd (Sale), Will Stuart (Bath), Tom Willis (Saracens).
Backs: Oscar Beard (Harlequins), Elliot Daly (Saracens), Fraser Dingwall (Northampton), George Ford (Sale), Tommy Freeman (Northampton), Ollie Lawrence (Bath), Alex Mitchell (Northampton), Cadan Murley (Harlequins), Harry Randall (Bristol), Tom Roebuck (Sale), Henry Slade (Exeter), Ollie Sleightholme (Northampton), Fin Smith (Northampton), Marcus Smith (Harlequins), Freddie Steward (Leicester), Jack van Poortvliet (Leicester).
Mitchell for Spencer is reasonable enough, although JvP still there. There were rumblings of Ojomoh getting in, but think that needs a bit more time served. Dingwall put in a good shift as A team skipper so fair enough.
Good to see Willis and Hill, just need Borthwick to actually fecking pick them in a matchday squad.
Is Joe Heyes seen as one of our better tighthead options, or is that a Leicester thing going on? Shame about Fasogbon injury but keen to see how Opoku-Fordjour gets on. Steward is the only full-back in the squad, not sure what Carpenter has done wrong.