ThisSandstorm wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:28 pm I think Willemse tries to get into a game with a magic moment in the 1st minute. To impress. Instead of a couple of easy kicks or a pass or two to his 12.....he keeps trying to be a hero.
It’s not a coaching issue, it’s team mates. WP backline is all kids, no experienced old-hands left. They’ve all gone overseas.handyman wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:22 am Agree with Chilli and the pom. I actually think Willemse will find great value in spending time with Pat Lambie.
I think it's about 50/50. A lot of the issues is in his head.Sandstorm wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:46 amIt’s not a coaching issue, it’s team mates. WP backline is all kids, no experienced old-hands left. They’ve all gone overseas.handyman wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:22 am Agree with Chilli and the pom. I actually think Willemse will find great value in spending time with Pat Lambie.
Actually I think Willemse would shine with a season of Frans Steyn at 12
50% of that is up to him (and I agree), but he can do nothing about the press and oom.Sards wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:53 am The only way Willemse can come back is if the press stopped talking him up every week and he goes back to Vodacom Cup and learns to play in a team...
This kid has been led to believe that he is Carlos Spencer and Dan Carter rolled up in one
Wazza to the Cheetahs? Oom will kak in his broek.Sandstorm wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:46 amIt’s not a coaching issue, it’s team mates. WP backline is all kids, no experienced old-hands left. They’ve all gone overseas.handyman wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:22 am Agree with Chilli and the pom. I actually think Willemse will find great value in spending time with Pat Lambie.
Actually I think Willemse would shine with a season of Frans Steyn at 12
Another great idea.Chilli wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:25 amWazza to the Cheetahs? Oom will kak in his broek.Sandstorm wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:46 amIt’s not a coaching issue, it’s team mates. WP backline is all kids, no experienced old-hands left. They’ve all gone overseas.handyman wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:22 am Agree with Chilli and the pom. I actually think Willemse will find great value in spending time with Pat Lambie.
Actually I think Willemse would shine with a season of Frans Steyn at 12
What team? He probably is the most talented 10 in SA. Therefore in order to get his head right and actually play with experienced players who can calm him down and have him play as a team-player, he needs to play with the very best globally. And have the best coaches.Sards wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:53 am The only way Willemse can come back is if the press stopped talking him up every week and he goes back to Vodacom Cup and learns to play in a team...
Bergville's in the Freestate?OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:15 amHe would have been dedicated if he travel from Bergville to Bloemfontein. The Sharks obvious paid him double compare to Free State. Did it for the money, no heart and dedication. Vokkol
On the border...........................Rinkals wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:49 amBergville's in the Freestate?OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:15 amHe would have been dedicated if he travel from Bergville to Bloemfontein. The Sharks obvious paid him double compare to Free State. Did it for the money, no heart and dedication. VokkolChilli wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:06 am
Another poach by the fukken Sharks.
[he farmed in Bergville and traveled to Deben for practice and play]
My dad;'s family used to farm just outside Bergville and this comes as a surprise to me.
Sjoe....................it hasn't taken Boeta long to make some decent dosh.SPOTLIGHT: Is the Western Province Rugby Football Union about to walk away from yet another deal with a company that provided them with a ‘loan’ to pay off debts?
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The Afrikaans website Netwerk24 reported on Saturday that WPRFU’s much-touted marriage with the Flyt Property Group could be on the rocks.
According to the report the WPRFU would “reconsider its options” if information about ‘terms and conditions’ agreed to in the deal are not forthcoming.
It is suggested that WPRFU wants a guarantee that Flyt is in compliance with the agreed ‘terms and conditions’.
WPRFU President Zelt Marais was not immediately available for comment and Flyt Managing Director Zane de Decker also did not respond immediately to requests for his reaction.
However, the report suggests that ‘alternative options’ mentioned in previous dispatches by Marais may well be an ‘offer’ from Nehawu Investment Holdings – the commercial arm of the trade union Nehawu.
Handre Basson, a Cape Town property developer, was the person that acted on behalf of NIH in putting together the initial proposal.
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Before the offer from the trade union was considered, WPRFU signed the agreement with Flyt and formed two new companies – Newlands DevCo and Brookside DevCo – with Flyt as an equal partner.
The ‘partnership’ with the Flyt Property Group allowed WPRFU to unlock a loan of ZAR112-million from Dream World Investments 401 (Pty) Ltd – a company within the Flyt group.
That loan was used to pay off previous debts owed to Remgro (ZAR58-million) and Investec (ZAR50-million).
Bonds were to be registered on the Newlands Stadium and Brookside properties to secure the loan from Dream World.
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@rugby365com has reliably learnt that Ebrahim Rasool, the new Chairman of the board of WP Professional Rugby (Pty) Ltd, is working on alternative options.
If Rasool, head of WPPR, the professional arm of the WPRFU, is indeed courting his connections in the trade union Nehawu, it will raise many new questions.
Given Marais’ public statements about “professional and ethical” behaviour – especially in the union’s dealings with American lawyer Marco V Masotti and his consortium MVM Holdings – it would not look good if they are about to walk away from a third benefactor/creditor in 12 months – Remgro, Investec and now Flyt/Dream World.
There are rumours of a reported ZAR2-million ‘finders fee’ that was paid out after the deal with Flyt. If this is the case, what happened to this ‘finders’ fee?
* Meanwhile it was revealed that Vincent Mai, a benefactor of Grey Highschool in Port Elizabeth and a connection of Springbok captain Siyamthanda Kolisi, is part of the Masotti consortium.
Kolisi visited Mai back in December 2019.
“Vincent [Mai] is a fellow Grey boy and has invested in 100s of kids in SA through bursaries, majority of the time without ever meeting them,” Kolisi said in an Instagram post.
“I was one of those kids.
“Without the opportunity, there is no way I’d be where I am today.”
Netwerk24 reports that six expat South Africans are now in the Masotti stable.
Apart from Mai, the Masotti consortium includes Gary Cobbledick, Jan A. Pieterse, David Berman and Trevor Norwitz.
Masotti, Mai and Berman are all based in New York, while Pieterse is in Los Angeles.
Michael Yormark, the Chief Executive of Roc Nation, the agency managing Kolisi, is also part of the MVM consortium.
Masotti is negotiating with WPRFU for a controlling share (51 percent) of the commercial arm, WPPR.
Another big name in the camp is Mike Tomon, Chief Operating Officer of the company Legends, which has among its clients global brands like Manchester City and New York Yankees.
Other big names include Marc Lasry (Milwaukee Bucks basketball team), Doug Cifu (Florida Panthers hockey) and Steven Price (Atlanta Hawks basketball).
Source: Netwerk24, with additional reporting by @rugby365com
To be honest that pretty much feels like me atm.......After Corona and all the losses in the factory as a result of non productive months and a slow return to healthy where we are far too busy , cashflow is a nightmare....average joe wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:11 am Paying the overdraft with the credit card and balancing the credit card by writing a cheque.
Same here. My production team is busier than ever, but we're feeling the effects of 3 months ago by being completely broke as a company.Sards wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:17 am To be honest that pretty much feels like me atm.......After Corona and all the losses in the factory as a result of non productive months and a slow return to healthy where we are far too busy , cashflow is a nightmare....
My biggest issue is my account clients....those that get 30 days from statement......I am financing these guys who are pumping now because they are not putting their hands in their pockets to pay for purchases .......whereas I pay cash for my purchases because of the discounts I get to finance the accounts clients.......damn....its a wicked circle ..... either too busy and kak cashflow...or not busy and losing money....assfly wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:18 amSame here. My production team is busier than ever, but we're feeling the effects of 3 months ago by being completely broke as a company.Sards wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:17 am To be honest that pretty much feels like me atm.......After Corona and all the losses in the factory as a result of non productive months and a slow return to healthy where we are far too busy , cashflow is a nightmare....
Your answer is in your post, offer your clients discounts for shorter credit terms.Sards wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:22 amMy biggest issue is my account clients....those that get 30 days from statement......I am financing these guys who are pumping now because they are not putting their hands in their pockets to pay for purchases .......whereas I pay cash for my purchases because of the discounts I get to finance the accounts clients.......damn....its a wicked circle ..... either too busy and kak cashflow...or not busy and losing money....assfly wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:18 amSame here. My production team is busier than ever, but we're feeling the effects of 3 months ago by being completely broke as a company.Sards wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:17 am To be honest that pretty much feels like me atm.......After Corona and all the losses in the factory as a result of non productive months and a slow return to healthy where we are far too busy , cashflow is a nightmare....
This is honestly no good at all for the WP. If they are not careful they will land up as a team that has no sponsor or financial backing.NEWS: The truculent and fractious Westerns Province Rugby Football Union boardroom saga has taken another dramatic turn.
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It has been confirmed that the representatives of the WPRFU’s two main sponsors – DHL and BrightRock – have resigned as directors of the board of Western Province Professional Rugby (Pty) Ltd.
WPRFU confirmed that President Zelt Marais and Chairman of the Board of Directors Ebrahim Rasool will hold a virtual media conference on Wednesday to address the resignation of the two sponsorship directors.
@rugby365com has learnt that Hennie Heymans (DHL) and Suzanne Stevens (BrightRock) are the two who handed in their resignations this week.
They are the fourth and fifth members of the board of the professional arm, WPPR, to have departed under a cloud since June.
The boardroom battles started much earlier, but really escalated in June – when Kevin Kiewitz walked away from the union in protest over their handling of negotiations with Investec.
That followed when two independent directors of the board, Johan van der Merwe and Andre van der Veen, were told in August their services were no longer required. Their terms of office came to an end and at the board AGM, it was decided not to extend their terms.
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Van der Merwe was replaced as Chairman of the board of WPPR (Pty) Ltd by political firebrand Ebrahim Rasool.
In September Raymond van Niekerk handed in his resignation, ostensibly because he has had enough of the boardroom politics. He indicated that the unwillingness of WPRFU too offer Van der Merwe and Van der Veen new terms was key to the decision.
And this week Heymans and Stevens handed in their resignations.
The boardroom drama had a number of sub-plots.
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There was the decision to walk away from negotiations with Investec – resulting in the need to repay ZAR112-million in loans to Remgro and Investec – signing a Newlands development deal with the Flyt group and getting a new loan from Dream World, while starting negotiations with an American consortium, MVM Holdings, as a possible equity partner.
It has since been suggested that WPRFU are also about to walk away from the Flyt deal, although Marais has not yet responded to any requests for comment on the reports.
It also appears the negotiations with the American consortium, headed by South African-born-and-bred American lawyer Marco V Masotti, have stalled.
It is reported that the resignations of the sponsors are directly linked to the unwillingness of WPRFU to speedily conclude the negotiations with Masotti’s consortium.
@rugby365com has reliably learnt that Rasool, the new Chairman of the board of WP Professional Rugby (Pty) Ltd, is working on alternative options.
It is believed Rasool, as head of the professional arm of the WPRFU, is courting his connections in the trade union Nehawu.
These questions will, hopefully, be addressed at Wednesday’s media briefing.
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NEHAWU WP has a nice ring to it.handyman wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:06 am Surely if the sponsors representatives resign as directors, their position as sponsors are on thin ice. The penny has to drop that the financial implications could kill the union.
This whole issue is taking too long to resolve. Good or bad, just get it over with.
It must be lank concerning for you supportershandyman wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:49 amThis whole issue is taking too long to resolve. Good or bad, just get it over with.
Tbh, my view on such matters is that if I cannot do anything about it, what's the use of worrying about it. It is what it is. Best I can hope for is that cooler heads prevail, the situation gets resolved and that the guilty parties are identified.
Its supporters like yourself that the Union loves...they can jaag all kinds of kak aan and you lot will still believe that they are the best team in the universe........................handyman wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:52 am The thing is, whilst being miss managed and with all the boardroom troubles, we still are the biggest and best team in Africa. Now, get the admin in order, we will be the biggest and best in the world.
The worrying thing is that Rasool has chased away the two biggest sponsors by removing their board members....assfly wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:48 am Ja in all seriousness it is very worrying, and not good for SA rugby at all. We all know what happens when the ANC get their fingers into business.
You've got a strange way of looking at it. I don't support WP because of the boardroom, I support them because of the history, the tradition, the pedigree and the fact that I've spent my whole life in the Western Cape. I don't jump between teams like a flip flopper, I stick with my team through good times and bad times. Supporting a team is about loyalty boet, you should know about it, running a business...Sards wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:07 amIts supporters like yourself that the Union loves...they can jaag all kinds of kak aan and you lot will still believe that they are the best team in the universe........................handyman wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:52 am The thing is, whilst being miss managed and with all the boardroom troubles, we still are the biggest and best team in Africa. Now, get the admin in order, we will be the biggest and best in the world.
I wish my wife had clients like yourself....could dish up tripe and you would bend on your knees begging for more.....
In the meantime the Sjaarks and Bulls are buying up all your real talent , and leaving the kak behind.......The Bulls and Sjaarks must know something Dobson doesn't.....because they turned down your Superstars when they had massive cheque books to write in.
Only thing I can think of dude...is that you dont have any balls.....there would be a riot if the Sharks sold their soul to a political party...Sharks supporters are brutal....you don't perform...they don't go watch....simple as. With you lot they kick you where you should have balls and you do MR. Robotic and talk about tradition and heritage when the sheet has been pulled out from under you and those things have become meaningless.handyman wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:13 amYou've got a strange way of looking at it. I don't support WP because of the boardroom, I support them because of the history, the tradition, the pedigree and the fact that I've spent my whole life in the Western Cape. I don't jump between teams like a flip flopper, I stick with my team through good times and bad times. Supporting a team is about loyalty boet, you should know about it, running a business...Sards wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:07 amIts supporters like yourself that the Union loves...they can jaag all kinds of kak aan and you lot will still believe that they are the best team in the universe........................handyman wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:52 am The thing is, whilst being miss managed and with all the boardroom troubles, we still are the biggest and best team in Africa. Now, get the admin in order, we will be the biggest and best in the world.
I wish my wife had clients like yourself....could dish up tripe and you would bend on your knees begging for more.....
In the meantime the Sjaarks and Bulls are buying up all your real talent , and leaving the kak behind.......The Bulls and Sjaarks must know something Dobson doesn't.....because they turned down your Superstars when they had massive cheque books to write in.
You expect me to toy toy in front of Newlands? Sorry boet, I'm too busy at work and it's not my style.Sards wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:18 amOnly thing I can think of dude...is that you dont have any balls.....there would be a riot if the Sharks sold their soul to a political party...Sharks supporters are brutal....you don't perform...they don't go watch....simple as. With you lot they kick you where you should have balls and you do MR. Robotic and talk about tradition and heritage when the sheet has been pulled out from under you and those things have become meaningless.handyman wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:13 amYou've got a strange way of looking at it. I don't support WP because of the boardroom, I support them because of the history, the tradition, the pedigree and the fact that I've spent my whole life in the Western Cape. I don't jump between teams like a flip flopper, I stick with my team through good times and bad times. Supporting a team is about loyalty boet, you should know about it, running a business...Sards wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:07 am
Its supporters like yourself that the Union loves...they can jaag all kinds of kak aan and you lot will still believe that they are the best team in the universe........................
I wish my wife had clients like yourself....could dish up tripe and you would bend on your knees begging for more.....
In the meantime the Sjaarks and Bulls are buying up all your real talent , and leaving the kak behind.......The Bulls and Sjaarks must know something Dobson doesn't.....because they turned down your Superstars when they had massive cheque books to write in.
Its supporters like yourself that don't say anything when everything is wrong that are the reason for this debacle....
