President Trump and US politics catchall

[Biffer]

Think some posters want to minimise the criticism of Trump and his fuckwit buds to one thread as it offends their sensibilities. Fucking snowflakes.

[SaintK]

Yes it is, several Trump links appear on multiple threads , latest one that Ukraine blame one

Tough. They should remain separate threads

You really do argue the toss with anyone who disagrees with you , it’s amusing

No I don't...twat

[SaintK]

Tough. They should remain separate threads

You really do argue the toss with anyone who disagrees with you , it’s amusing

The Ukraine thread has been, and is, an amazingly informational thread on the war, mainly through Hellraiser and Flockwitt and a couple of others. Just because Trump is now interested shouldn't derail it.

Quite!

[Yeeb]

Tough. They should remain separate threads

You really do argue the toss with anyone who disagrees with you , it’s amusing

No I don't...twat

You do Waldorf - u bellend

[SaintK]

You really do argue the toss with anyone who disagrees with you , it’s amusing

No I don't...twat

You do Waldorf - u bellend

Apart from trading a few insults with the odd troll this is the first time I've argued with anyone on here since we migrated.
But as a blow-in after being perma-banned finally from the other place you probably wouldn't know that.
Yours
Statler

[Guy Smiley]

Apart from trading a few insults with the odd troll this is the first time I've argued with anyone on here since we migrated.
But as a blow-in after being perma-banned finally from the other place you probably wouldn't know that.

Yeeb hasn't made the leap of understanding yet that this place isn't PR and shitfighting doesn't carry. It'll be interesting to see if he develops that awareness... but in the meantime, can we not indulge him every time he gets bored with his own reflection and tries to stir someone up?

[Tilly Orifice]

Apart from trading a few insults with the odd troll this is the first time I've argued with anyone on here since we migrated.
But as a blow-in after being perma-banned finally from the other place you probably wouldn't know that.

Yeeb hasn't made the leap of understanding yet that this place isn't PR and shitfighting doesn't carry. It'll be interesting to see if he develops that awareness... but in the meantime, can we not indulge him every time he gets bored with his own reflection and tries to stir someone up?

Bullshit this place is exactly PR, only slower.

[SaintK]

Apart from trading a few insults with the odd troll this is the first time I've argued with anyone on here since we migrated.
But as a blow-in after being perma-banned finally from the other place you probably wouldn't know that.

Yeeb hasn't made the leap of understanding yet that this place isn't PR and shitfighting doesn't carry. It'll be interesting to see if he develops that awareness... but in the meantime, can we not indulge him every time he gets bored with his own reflection and tries to stir someone up?

[Yeeb]

Apart from trading a few insults with the odd troll this is the first time I've argued with anyone on here since we migrated.
But as a blow-in after being perma-banned finally from the other place you probably wouldn't know that.

Yeeb hasn't made the leap of understanding yet that this place isn't PR and shitfighting doesn't carry. It'll be interesting to see if he develops that awareness... but in the meantime, can we not indulge him every time he gets bored with his own reflection and tries to stir someone up?

Bullshit this place is exactly PR, only slower.

Oh no it isn’t

Etc


Again, amusing at the assertion that somehow they are better and different on here.

[inactionman]

There's less swarm, anyway.

[Guy Smiley]

Again, amusing at the assertion that somehow they are better and different on here.

That's your take on it. What I said was that this place isn't PR and that the shitfighting doesn't carry here. Because it's slower here, less posters active, the pattern of repetitive, petty point scoring over trivia that was the whole vibe of PR just looks fucking boring and self indulgent.

[Yeeb]

Again, amusing at the assertion that somehow they are better and different on here.

That's your take on it. What I said was that this place isn't PR and that the shitfighting doesn't carry here. Because it's slower here, less posters active, the pattern of repetitive, petty point scoring over trivia that was the whole vibe of PR just looks fucking boring and self indulgent.

In fact it whiles away time in boring meetings nicely, I get ten points per smug reply and fifty for self righteous claiming win ones such as your last one, so thanks. You can even guess which other posters I’m playing against, I’m in third place I think with 890 in this round

[Slick]

Again, amusing at the assertion that somehow they are better and different on here.

That's your take on it. What I said was that this place isn't PR and that the shitfighting doesn't carry here. Because it's slower here, less posters active, the pattern of repetitive, petty point scoring over trivia that was the whole vibe of PR just looks fucking boring and self indulgent.

Well, and we are better and different

[sturginho]

Again, amusing at the assertion that somehow they are better and different on here.

That's your take on it. What I said was that this place isn't PR and that the shitfighting doesn't carry here. Because it's slower here, less posters active, the pattern of repetitive, petty point scoring over trivia that was the whole vibe of PR just looks fucking boring and self indulgent.

Well, and we are better and different

and we smell nicer

[sockwithaticket]

One of the new executive orders declares Trump or his AG as the arbiters of what is legal.

Meanwhile this is literarlly carved into the SCOTUS walls.


Now that's yet another thing that is likely going to be challenged and end up in front of the SCOTUS. Are his appointees and the bought and paid for conservative judges like Clarence Thomas craven enough to surrender their institutional authority by overruling that case and in favour of the executive order?

[dpedin]

One of the new executive orders declares Trump or his AG as the arbiters of what is legal.

Meanwhile this is literarlly carved into the SCOTUS walls.


Now that's yet another thing that is likely going to be challenged and end up in front of the SCOTUS. Are his appointees and the bought and paid for conservative judges like Clarence Thomas craven enough to surrender their institutional authority by overruling that case and in favour of the executive order?

They've done it already to be honest!

[inactionman]

And now Trump has called Zelensky a dictator - because he hasn't held an election due in 2024 due to the fact there's martial law due to the great big fucking war going on.

Fuck my old boots, how have we come to this. It's just so obviously stupid.

Clearly Putin wants Trump to help get a puppet in there, Trump just cannot be this craven.

[Uncle fester]

And now Trump has called Zelensky a dictator - because he hasn't held an election due in 2024 due to the fact there's martial law due to the great big fucking war going on.

Fuck my old boots, how have we come to this. It's just so obviously stupid.

Clearly Putin wants Trump to help get a puppet in there, Trump just cannot be this craven.

If he had been a bit more subtle, he might have got a lot of this through but he's gone way over the top and galvanised Europe + Ukraine to keep going.

[tabascoboy]

And now Trump has called Zelensky a dictator - because he hasn't held an election due in 2024 due to the fact there's martial law due to the great big fucking war going on.

Fuck my old boots, how have we come to this. It's just so obviously stupid.

Clearly Putin wants Trump to help get a puppet in there, Trump just cannot be this craven.

If he had been a bit more subtle, he might have got a lot of this through but he's gone way over the top and galvanised Europe + Ukraine to keep going.

Sends Kellogg to Kyiv to meet Zelensky...then promptly puts him in a very embarrassing position with the timing and content of this diatribe. Trump is looking more and more deranged with every passing day.

[fishfoodie]

US President Donald Trump's administration is attempting to rehire officials with the US Department of Agriculture (USDA) who worked on the government response to bird flu before being fired over the weekend, US media report.

The layoffs were a part of a cost-cutting mission across the US government by Trump and his Department of Government Efficiency (Doge) leader Elon Musk.

The terminations came as the latest outbreak of the bird flu has wreaked havoc on poultry and cattle farms, causing egg prices to skyrocket and raising concerns among public health experts.

A USDA spokesperson told the BBC that although "several" officials working on bird flu were "notified of their terminations" over the weekend, "we are working to swiftly rectify the situation and rescind those letters".

"USDA's Food Safety and Inspection Service frontline positions are considered public safety positions, and we are continuing to hire the workforce necessary to ensure the safety and adequate supply of food to fulfil our statutory mission," the spokesperson added.

...

It's just possible that in a few months time the revelation will break thru the thick skulls of the GOP, that possibly it's worse for this Administration to kill thousands of their constituents, than for Space Karen to claim victory in slashing spending.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

US President Donald Trump's administration is attempting to rehire officials with the US Department of Agriculture (USDA) who worked on the government response to bird flu before being fired over the weekend, US media report.

The layoffs were a part of a cost-cutting mission across the US government by Trump and his Department of Government Efficiency (Doge) leader Elon Musk.

The terminations came as the latest outbreak of the bird flu has wreaked havoc on poultry and cattle farms, causing egg prices to skyrocket and raising concerns among public health experts.

A USDA spokesperson told the BBC that although "several" officials working on bird flu were "notified of their terminations" over the weekend, "we are working to swiftly rectify the situation and rescind those letters".

"USDA's Food Safety and Inspection Service frontline positions are considered public safety positions, and we are continuing to hire the workforce necessary to ensure the safety and adequate supply of food to fulfil our statutory mission," the spokesperson added.

...

It's just possible that in a few months time the revelation will break thru the thick skulls of the GOP, that possibly it's worse for this Administration to kill thousands of their constituents, than for Space Karen to claim victory in slashing spending.

This doesn't tally with the known facts of brown people breaking into the USA through Biden's porous southern border to introduce bird flu grown in a Chinese lab to an innocent US market

[Biffer]

We're all aware that if H5N1 breaks the species barrier and we have hospitals overflowing with the dying in the USA in six months time, that's going to be called a bio weapon attack by China, right? And be used as an excuse to strike back?

[geordie_6]

And now Trump has called Zelensky a dictator - because he hasn't held an election due in 2024 due to the fact there's martial law due to the great big fucking war going on.

Fuck my old boots, how have we come to this. It's just so obviously stupid.

Clearly Putin wants Trump to help get a puppet in there, Trump just cannot be this craven.

Clearly doesn't believe it, otherwise he'd be sucking Zelensky's pipe like he does every other dictator...

[I like neeps]

We're all aware that if H5N1 breaks the species barrier and we have hospitals overflowing with the dying in the USA in six months time, that's going to be called a bio weapon attack by China, right? And be used as an excuse to strike back?

Bird flu has jumped the species barrier. Thankfully, doesn't seem to be too contagious human to human... yet...

[sockwithaticket]

US President Donald Trump's administration is attempting to rehire officials with the US Department of Agriculture (USDA) who worked on the government response to bird flu before being fired over the weekend, US media report.

The layoffs were a part of a cost-cutting mission across the US government by Trump and his Department of Government Efficiency (Doge) leader Elon Musk.

The terminations came as the latest outbreak of the bird flu has wreaked havoc on poultry and cattle farms, causing egg prices to skyrocket and raising concerns among public health experts.

A USDA spokesperson told the BBC that although "several" officials working on bird flu were "notified of their terminations" over the weekend, "we are working to swiftly rectify the situation and rescind those letters".

"USDA's Food Safety and Inspection Service frontline positions are considered public safety positions, and we are continuing to hire the workforce necessary to ensure the safety and adequate supply of food to fulfil our statutory mission," the spokesperson added.

...

It's just possible that in a few months time the revelation will break thru the thick skulls of the GOP, that possibly it's worse for this Administration to kill thousands of their constituents, than for Space Karen to claim victory in slashing spending.

It was some NASA staff yesterday and their nuclear people the day before that.

I said it then, 'Move fast, break things' as a 'disruptor' philosophy only really works with stuff that has very little material consequence. With shit that actually matters like many, many functions of the government it's homicidally reckless.

Still wouldn't have much faith in the GOP finding their collective testes and doing anything about it.

[Slick]

I’ve just left the recording of Debate Night (Scotlands Question Time)in Edinburgh, was quite surprised at the number of Trump fans, particularly younger ones

[I like neeps]

I’ve just left the recording of Debate Night (Scotlands Question Time)in Edinburgh, was quite surprised at the number of Trump fans, particularly younger ones

Young men are only becoming bigger fans of strongman leadership in the west.

[Niegs]

I’ve just left the recording of Debate Night (Scotlands Question Time)in Edinburgh, was quite surprised at the number of Trump fans, particularly younger ones

I can almost see the support for Trump 1.0 as a potential disrupter to politics run by 'elites'. But it's clear now he's both a grifter and even if they don't believe that, he's a big crybaby who complains about everything.

How do future gens break global echo chambers thay have been so damaging?

... maybe that asteroid will do us a favour?

[Biffer]

I’ve just left the recording of Debate Night (Scotlands Question Time)in Edinburgh, was quite surprised at the number of Trump fans, particularly younger ones

I can almost see the support for Trump 1.0 as a potential disrupter to politics run by 'elites'. But it's clear now he's both a grifter and even if they don't believe that, he's a big crybaby who complains about everything.

How do future gens break global echo chambers thay have been so damaging?

... maybe that asteroid will do us a favour?

You have prompted me to rattle on about one of my theories of society. Well done.

The advent of the computer age and its growth into a fundamental part of society over the last forty years or so has changed the way we look at the world.

Prior to computers we lived in an analogue world, where everything was determined around how much something was one way or another. Everything was on some kind of spectrum, everything had subtlety, loads of things were complicated.

The digital age changed that. Through everyday experience and through education, and all the other influences of digital, we started to think about things as on or off, one or zero, yes or no, right or wrong. Everything had to fall into one camp or another, no middle ground, no shades of grey. That wormed its way into society, and politics. You’re one of us or one of them. If you’re one of us you think like this. If you think like that, you’re one of them.

We just have to hope society hangs together long enough that the advent of quantum tech has a similar effect.

[Firewater]

And now Trump has called Zelensky a dictator - because he hasn't held an election due in 2024 due to the fact there's martial law due to the great big fucking war going on.

Fuck my old boots, how have we come to this. It's just so obviously stupid.

Clearly Putin wants Trump to help get a puppet in there, Trump just cannot be this craven.

So I assume you will be ok if Trump decides after 4 years to just stay in power. As Zelenskyy has done

Esp after hes lead the country into a maybe country destroying war

[sockwithaticket]

I’ve just left the recording of Debate Night (Scotlands Question Time)in Edinburgh, was quite surprised at the number of Trump fans, particularly younger ones

Young men are only becoming bigger fans of strongman leadership in the west.

Because the West's neo-liberal economic consensus hasn't been working for them at all and they're erroneously conflating that with the form of government not working all the while being seduced by the prospect of easy answers to complex problems.

It's also the case that a lot of young people have grown up with Trump and Farage as normality. Trump first took office 8 years ago. 20 year olds would've been 12 then. They don't have much context for how different and taboo their beahviour is, how abnormal the level of overt corruption and disregard for the law is, they don't really get why so many of us are aghast at the whole awful spectacle.

[Paddington Bear]

I’ve just left the recording of Debate Night (Scotlands Question Time)in Edinburgh, was quite surprised at the number of Trump fans, particularly younger ones

Young men are only becoming bigger fans of strongman leadership in the west.

What’s the compelling offer from the mainstream to them? They are particularly failed by a system that is falling apart at the seams

[Guy Smiley]

You have prompted me to rattle on about one of my theories of society. Well done.

The advent of the computer age and its growth into a fundamental part of society over the last forty years or so has changed the way we look at the world.

Prior to computers we lived in an analogue world, where everything was determined around how much something was one way or another. Everything was on some kind of spectrum, everything had subtlety, loads of things were complicated.

The digital age changed that. Through everyday experience and through education, and all the other influences of digital, we started to think about things as on or off, one or zero, yes or no, right or wrong. Everything had to fall into one camp or another, no middle ground, no shades of grey. That wormed its way into society, and politics. You’re one of us or one of them. If you’re one of us you think like this. If you think like that, you’re one of them.

We just have to hope society hangs together long enough that the advent of quantum tech has a similar effect.

That's an interesting take on things. I'm 63, when I was a kid we had rotary dial telephones and a long distance call went through an exchange. I think a lot of us would share that sort of memory and your take on the collective effects of digitising our world is a good one.

Personally, I'm in favour of compulsory sniper training and a standard issue long gun.

[I like neeps]

I’ve just left the recording of Debate Night (Scotlands Question Time)in Edinburgh, was quite surprised at the number of Trump fans, particularly younger ones

Young men are only becoming bigger fans of strongman leadership in the west.

What’s the compelling offer from the mainstream to them? They are particularly failed by a system that is falling apart at the seams

Yeah I'm not commenting on it being a good/bad thing I'm just saying it's a clear and growing trend. I agree they aren't being offered anything by mainstream parties... not really sure who is mind.

Socks point about them not knowing this behaviour is atypical is a good one. Had never thought of that.

[Firewater]

I’ve just left the recording of Debate Night (Scotlands Question Time)in Edinburgh, was quite surprised at the number of Trump fans, particularly younger ones

Young men are only becoming bigger fans of strongman leadership in the west.

Because weak corrupt leaders who do the opposite to what they said hasn't worked

So they return to stronger leaders who will keep their word. As Trump is doing so far

[Paddington Bear]

Young men are only becoming bigger fans of strongman leadership in the west.

What’s the compelling offer from the mainstream to them? They are particularly failed by a system that is falling apart at the seams

Yeah I'm not commenting on it being a good/bad thing I'm just saying it's a clear and growing trend. I agree they aren't being offered anything by mainstream parties... not really sure who is mind.

Socks point about them not knowing this behaviour is atypical is a good one. Had never thought of that.

I think there was (maybe still is?) a delusion on the centre left that a new generation entering the voter pool would guarantee them success, forgetting angry young men have throughout history acted in deeply unpredictable ways when marginalised and their living standards can’t be maintained.

Can’t see any meaningful change to their central conditions, and suspect we’re in for a very hairy time

[Firewater]

You have prompted me to rattle on about one of my theories of society. Well done.

The advent of the computer age and its growth into a fundamental part of society over the last forty years or so has changed the way we look at the world.

Prior to computers we lived in an analogue world, where everything was determined around how much something was one way or another. Everything was on some kind of spectrum, everything had subtlety, loads of things were complicated.

The digital age changed that. Through everyday experience and through education, and all the other influences of digital, we started to think about things as on or off, one or zero, yes or no, right or wrong. Everything had to fall into one camp or another, no middle ground, no shades of grey. That wormed its way into society, and politics. You’re one of us or one of them. If you’re one of us you think like this. If you think like that, you’re one of them.

We just have to hope society hangs together long enough that the advent of quantum tech has a similar effect.

That's an interesting take on things. I'm 63, when I was a kid we had rotary dial telephones and a long distance call went through an exchange. I think a lot of us would share that sort of memory and your take on the collective effects of digitising our world is a good one.

Personally, I'm in favour of compulsory sniper training and a standard issue long gun.

The internet have allowed people to think about things that were previously out of bounds. My view is this is a very good thing. The ruling elite of course don't. They are losing control of a system where they have massively benefited from technology improvements. The majority have missed out. They have more toys to play with but financially its harder to make ends meet

[Slick]

And now Trump has called Zelensky a dictator - because he hasn't held an election due in 2024 due to the fact there's martial law due to the great big fucking war going on.

Fuck my old boots, how have we come to this. It's just so obviously stupid.

Clearly Putin wants Trump to help get a puppet in there, Trump just cannot be this craven.

So I assume you will be ok if Trump decides after 4 years to just stay in power. As Zelenskyy has done

Esp after hes lead the country into a maybe country destroying war

Oh fuck this is stupid

Wait for your queues off social media before trying to think for yourself next time

[Firewater]

What’s the compelling offer from the mainstream to them? They are particularly failed by a system that is falling apart at the seams

Yeah I'm not commenting on it being a good/bad thing I'm just saying it's a clear and growing trend. I agree they aren't being offered anything by mainstream parties... not really sure who is mind.

Socks point about them not knowing this behaviour is atypical is a good one. Had never thought of that.

I think there was (maybe still is?) a delusion on the centre left that a new generation entering the voter pool would guarantee them success, forgetting angry young men have throughout history acted in deeply unpredictable ways when marginalised and their living standards can’t be maintained.

Can’t see any meaningful change to their central conditions, and suspect we’re in for a very hairy time

And angry women too. They can be a more powerful force to promote change than men. But really change is more likely to occur when men and women work together. This is now starting to happen. Trump wouldn't have won without women's support

[Firewater]

And now Trump has called Zelensky a dictator - because he hasn't held an election due in 2024 due to the fact there's martial law due to the great big fucking war going on.

Fuck my old boots, how have we come to this. It's just so obviously stupid.

Clearly Putin wants Trump to help get a puppet in there, Trump just cannot be this craven.

So I assume you will be ok if Trump decides after 4 years to just stay in power. As Zelenskyy has done

Esp after hes lead the country into a maybe country destroying war

Oh fuck this is stupid

Wait for your queues off social media before trying to think for yourself next time

So, that's a no. Its fine when you support someone. But not if you don't

Zelenskyy has been a complete disaster for Ukraine. I can understand why he doesn't want a fair election though. After a ceasefire.