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Trumps view of the world is short term. He has hated Zelensky since days of Trump being caught trying to blackmail/coerce Ukraine around investigating Biden/Hunter Biden issue in 2019, he thinks Zelensky caused the problems and has been trying to get his own back ever since. It has been a personal issue for him. Also Zelensky refused to bend over and take it up the arse by signing the US 'deal' to allow his country to be raped economically by Trump and his big business goons. Trump is furious that someone, especially Zelensky, has basically told him 'NO' and dared to start serious negotiations around the proposed deal. Trump feels this is making him look 'small' in front of Putin and he probably boasted to Putin it would be a walk in the park and they could divi up the spoils afterwards. It is perfectly clear that Trump and Putin have an agreed plan for Ukraine and part of that is to get rid of Zelensky hence the joint calls for elections in Ukraine, calling him a Dictator and now the staged White House pile in to make him look small. The end point of all this will be Trump saying he will only do business with Ukraine if they get rid of Zelensky. He will get his way, a puppet will be installed in Ukraine and a deal, which will essentially be a death warrant for Ukraine, will be signed.
However Putin is playing the long game and knows how to play Trump and his inexperienced, crazed and dumb team. He is quite happy to let the US get their deal with Ukraine, it is small fry in the bigger game and the links between the billionaires and Russian oligarchs is pretty clear now anyway. Putin is expansionist and is keen to develop a precedent of the US stepping back from any military involvement on Eastern Europe, allowing Russia free rein to step up their plans to move into surrounding countries with impunity. Trump and his bunch of mobsters, crooks, big Tech and religious zealots dont give a shit about Eastern Europe other than opening up more markets to make money for them. Putin is happy to let Trump and his goons cause untold damage to the US infrastructures and world politics in order to create chaos which will be his open door to further invasions.
Has Putin some kompromat on Trump/Krasnov? Almost certainly. The work going on behind the scenes to destabilize the US government systems, structures and military capability is scary and is happening at pace and in the face of legal opposition from the courts. It is all happening in front of our eyes!
Were the meetings this week a staged attempt to attack Zelensky, destabilize European support for Ukraine and create rifts in the EU/Euro alliance? Almost certainly, although crudely planned and plainly transparent. If anything it has mobilized Europe in the same way everyone steps in when the playground bully takes things too far.
The end game for the likes of Bannon, Miller, Vance, Vought and the rest of the Heritage Foundation 2025 authors and the likes of Musk, Zuckerberg, et al is a completely unregulated social and business world where national boundaries don't really exist for businesses, money flows around the world tax free controlled by them and only the fittest survive. Their world view is more aligned with Putins than it is with the American Dream and that is why they admire and are quite happy to get into bed with the Dictators of this world. They will deregulate like mad in the US and strip away almost all of the protections people have against the impact of big business, profit at all cost literally! They hate the EU in spades because it is essentially more successful in regulating them and controlling their impact - the Tech companies will do everything in their power to stop the EU regulating them hence their support for Trump. Meanwhile Trump doesn't give a shit about anything else as long as he is rich and the President, or as Putin and the others see him, a useful, controllable and time limited puppet!
This is only the start of a very difficult and dark period for us all.
However Putin is playing the long game and knows how to play Trump and his inexperienced, crazed and dumb team. He is quite happy to let the US get their deal with Ukraine, it is small fry in the bigger game and the links between the billionaires and Russian oligarchs is pretty clear now anyway. Putin is expansionist and is keen to develop a precedent of the US stepping back from any military involvement on Eastern Europe, allowing Russia free rein to step up their plans to move into surrounding countries with impunity. Trump and his bunch of mobsters, crooks, big Tech and religious zealots dont give a shit about Eastern Europe other than opening up more markets to make money for them. Putin is happy to let Trump and his goons cause untold damage to the US infrastructures and world politics in order to create chaos which will be his open door to further invasions.
Has Putin some kompromat on Trump/Krasnov? Almost certainly. The work going on behind the scenes to destabilize the US government systems, structures and military capability is scary and is happening at pace and in the face of legal opposition from the courts. It is all happening in front of our eyes!
Were the meetings this week a staged attempt to attack Zelensky, destabilize European support for Ukraine and create rifts in the EU/Euro alliance? Almost certainly, although crudely planned and plainly transparent. If anything it has mobilized Europe in the same way everyone steps in when the playground bully takes things too far.
The end game for the likes of Bannon, Miller, Vance, Vought and the rest of the Heritage Foundation 2025 authors and the likes of Musk, Zuckerberg, et al is a completely unregulated social and business world where national boundaries don't really exist for businesses, money flows around the world tax free controlled by them and only the fittest survive. Their world view is more aligned with Putins than it is with the American Dream and that is why they admire and are quite happy to get into bed with the Dictators of this world. They will deregulate like mad in the US and strip away almost all of the protections people have against the impact of big business, profit at all cost literally! They hate the EU in spades because it is essentially more successful in regulating them and controlling their impact - the Tech companies will do everything in their power to stop the EU regulating them hence their support for Trump. Meanwhile Trump doesn't give a shit about anything else as long as he is rich and the President, or as Putin and the others see him, a useful, controllable and time limited puppet!
This is only the start of a very difficult and dark period for us all.
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I'm surprised the wotsit-coloured cunt isn't proudly wearing one of these:


I totally agree with this. Distasteful as it is Zelensky has to accept that he is in no position to negotiate that condition.I like neeps wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 9:57 amAs much as Vance is a cock he is correct that most wars end by negotiation and Ukraine has neither the man power nor support to reclaim the lands Russia have who are now advancing daily. Europe does have to wake up a bit and realise that.Paddington Bear wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 12:42 amToo late now. A modest increase in defence spending particularly around industry in 2014 followed by a more substantial boost in 2022 may have given us the chance to run a different course. Plus of course a weaning or never being so beholden to Russian energy in the first place. From where we are now we can give Ukraine nothing but false hope, nothing but empty encouragement to send more men to die.Gumboot wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 11:16 pm
Macron was derided by other European leaders for promoting this very approach for years. Not so much derision nowadays.
What Trump has done is a shameful abandonment of a nation that has shown so much courage and dignity in the face of unspeakable atrocities, but it’s too easy to pretend it is all his fault when we have done nearly nothing to allow another path to be taken bar offer empty words. I remember listening to an Indian general as Ukraine invaded tell a Ukrainian that the west would fight to the last Ukrainian, clearly correct then and clearly correct now.
Ukraine shoulders some responsibility as well. I went to a talk by a senior member of their elite this week who had the following solutions:
1. Britain to lead a task force of the Baltic, Scandis and Benelux in direct war with Russia
2. France to pile in once the front is stabilised
3. Risk of nuclear war to be ignored as ‘it won’t happen’
4. Peace to come from Ukraine reclaiming all occupied territory and Russia to be dismembered into 100 (genuinely) states along ethnic lines.
They have of course been led up the garden path but still having any dream of peace that doesn’t involve a serious think about what territory they can give up is sadly totally delusional and a lot of us left this talk very disillusioned. Can’t help but feel a total collapse is coming
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Please stop uncritically repeating russian propaganda.
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US will have a new civil war within our lifetimes. That's my prediction.
North should have finished the job after the first war.
North should have finished the job after the first war.
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?Uncle fester wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 12:40 pmPlease stop uncritically repeating russian propaganda.
They are. I didn't say quickly or cheaply
I agree it's the most likely outcome.Blackmac wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:50 amI totally agree with this. Distasteful as it is Zelensky has to accept that he is in no position to negotiate that condition.I like neeps wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 9:57 amAs much as Vance is a cock he is correct that most wars end by negotiation and Ukraine has neither the man power nor support to reclaim the lands Russia have who are now advancing daily. Europe does have to wake up a bit and realise that.Paddington Bear wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 12:42 am
Too late now. A modest increase in defence spending particularly around industry in 2014 followed by a more substantial boost in 2022 may have given us the chance to run a different course. Plus of course a weaning or never being so beholden to Russian energy in the first place. From where we are now we can give Ukraine nothing but false hope, nothing but empty encouragement to send more men to die.
What Trump has done is a shameful abandonment of a nation that has shown so much courage and dignity in the face of unspeakable atrocities, but it’s too easy to pretend it is all his fault when we have done nearly nothing to allow another path to be taken bar offer empty words. I remember listening to an Indian general as Ukraine invaded tell a Ukrainian that the west would fight to the last Ukrainian, clearly correct then and clearly correct now.
Ukraine shoulders some responsibility as well. I went to a talk by a senior member of their elite this week who had the following solutions:
1. Britain to lead a task force of the Baltic, Scandis and Benelux in direct war with Russia
2. France to pile in once the front is stabilised
3. Risk of nuclear war to be ignored as ‘it won’t happen’
4. Peace to come from Ukraine reclaiming all occupied territory and Russia to be dismembered into 100 (genuinely) states along ethnic lines.
They have of course been led up the garden path but still having any dream of peace that doesn’t involve a serious think about what territory they can give up is sadly totally delusional and a lot of us left this talk very disillusioned. Can’t help but feel a total collapse is coming
There will need to be negotiations and Putin isn't going to give up all of the Ukrainian lands. Unfair as it is, Ukraine will probably have to concede some loss of land.
However, these are the early days of the negotiations, and you don't want to start from a weak position that you're likely have to concede considerable lands. Especially not in front of the public media, and whilst in conversation with what's supposed to be an ally.
It's called diplomacy, a concept Trump is unfamiliar with. Zelensky probably got baited into saying too much, but then he is leading a country at war.
For Trump and Vance there is no excuse.
Over the hills and far away........
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Pretty sure he accepted that a long time agoBlackmac wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:50 amI totally agree with this. Distasteful as it is Zelensky has to accept that he is in no position to negotiate that condition.I like neeps wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 9:57 amAs much as Vance is a cock he is correct that most wars end by negotiation and Ukraine has neither the man power nor support to reclaim the lands Russia have who are now advancing daily. Europe does have to wake up a bit and realise that.Paddington Bear wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 12:42 am
Too late now. A modest increase in defence spending particularly around industry in 2014 followed by a more substantial boost in 2022 may have given us the chance to run a different course. Plus of course a weaning or never being so beholden to Russian energy in the first place. From where we are now we can give Ukraine nothing but false hope, nothing but empty encouragement to send more men to die.
What Trump has done is a shameful abandonment of a nation that has shown so much courage and dignity in the face of unspeakable atrocities, but it’s too easy to pretend it is all his fault when we have done nearly nothing to allow another path to be taken bar offer empty words. I remember listening to an Indian general as Ukraine invaded tell a Ukrainian that the west would fight to the last Ukrainian, clearly correct then and clearly correct now.
Ukraine shoulders some responsibility as well. I went to a talk by a senior member of their elite this week who had the following solutions:
1. Britain to lead a task force of the Baltic, Scandis and Benelux in direct war with Russia
2. France to pile in once the front is stabilised
3. Risk of nuclear war to be ignored as ‘it won’t happen’
4. Peace to come from Ukraine reclaiming all occupied territory and Russia to be dismembered into 100 (genuinely) states along ethnic lines.
They have of course been led up the garden path but still having any dream of peace that doesn’t involve a serious think about what territory they can give up is sadly totally delusional and a lot of us left this talk very disillusioned. Can’t help but feel a total collapse is coming
Yeah. But the attitude that some people here have that it should be his starting point for negotiations, and then give up more, is fucking stupid. His starting point is ‘we want our territory’. Then you give up stuff as the other side does, in his case, territorial guarantees and external support of that. Anyone who thinks Russia giving guarantees without any external enforcement is a fucking idiot.Margin__Walker wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 12:51 pmPretty sure he accepted that a long time agoBlackmac wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:50 amI totally agree with this. Distasteful as it is Zelensky has to accept that he is in no position to negotiate that condition.I like neeps wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 9:57 am
As much as Vance is a cock he is correct that most wars end by negotiation and Ukraine has neither the man power nor support to reclaim the lands Russia have who are now advancing daily. Europe does have to wake up a bit and realise that.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
The adults in Ukraine need to push Zelenskyy aside and then hold elections. Then work with Trump to try and save their countryBlackmac wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:50 amI totally agree with this. Distasteful as it is Zelensky has to accept that he is in no position to negotiate that condition.I like neeps wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 9:57 amAs much as Vance is a cock he is correct that most wars end by negotiation and Ukraine has neither the man power nor support to reclaim the lands Russia have who are now advancing daily. Europe does have to wake up a bit and realise that.Paddington Bear wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 12:42 am
Too late now. A modest increase in defence spending particularly around industry in 2014 followed by a more substantial boost in 2022 may have given us the chance to run a different course. Plus of course a weaning or never being so beholden to Russian energy in the first place. From where we are now we can give Ukraine nothing but false hope, nothing but empty encouragement to send more men to die.
What Trump has done is a shameful abandonment of a nation that has shown so much courage and dignity in the face of unspeakable atrocities, but it’s too easy to pretend it is all his fault when we have done nearly nothing to allow another path to be taken bar offer empty words. I remember listening to an Indian general as Ukraine invaded tell a Ukrainian that the west would fight to the last Ukrainian, clearly correct then and clearly correct now.
Ukraine shoulders some responsibility as well. I went to a talk by a senior member of their elite this week who had the following solutions:
1. Britain to lead a task force of the Baltic, Scandis and Benelux in direct war with Russia
2. France to pile in once the front is stabilised
3. Risk of nuclear war to be ignored as ‘it won’t happen’
4. Peace to come from Ukraine reclaiming all occupied territory and Russia to be dismembered into 100 (genuinely) states along ethnic lines.
They have of course been led up the garden path but still having any dream of peace that doesn’t involve a serious think about what territory they can give up is sadly totally delusional and a lot of us left this talk very disillusioned. Can’t help but feel a total collapse is coming
My view it's too late. Ukraine will be divided up. This is the price paid for electing a lying comedian.
Zelensky should now find a safe country and enjoy his millions or billions. Just ensure though he has excellent security.
Zelensky is one of the great statesmen of our time, even if he loses, he has been incredibly strong and fought for his country with incredible dignity and perseverance. I'd be happy for my country to put taxes a lot up to save not just Ukraine, but for Europe future. We are at the start of a potential WW3 with Trump's betrayal and we need to realise this.Firewater wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 12:59 pmThe adults in Ukraine need to push Zelenskyy aside and then hold elections. Then work with Trump to try and save their countryBlackmac wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:50 amI totally agree with this. Distasteful as it is Zelensky has to accept that he is in no position to negotiate that condition.I like neeps wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 9:57 am
As much as Vance is a cock he is correct that most wars end by negotiation and Ukraine has neither the man power nor support to reclaim the lands Russia have who are now advancing daily. Europe does have to wake up a bit and realise that.
My view it's too late. Ukraine will be divided up. This is the price paid for electing a lying comedian.
Zelensky should now find a safe country and enjoy his millions or billions. Just ensure though he has excellent security.
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Potentially a European war but with the US and China firmly on the side lines we aren't near world war 3.Jockaline wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 2:32 pmZelensky is one of the great statesmen of our time, even if he loses, he has been incredibly strong and fought for his country with incredible dignity and perseverance. I'd be happy for my country to put taxes a lot up to save not just Ukraine, but for Europe future. We are at the start of a potential WW3 with Trump's betrayal and we need to realise this.Firewater wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 12:59 pmThe adults in Ukraine need to push Zelenskyy aside and then hold elections. Then work with Trump to try and save their countryBlackmac wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:50 am
I totally agree with this. Distasteful as it is Zelensky has to accept that he is in no position to negotiate that condition.
My view it's too late. Ukraine will be divided up. This is the price paid for electing a lying comedian.
Zelensky should now find a safe country and enjoy his millions or billions. Just ensure though he has excellent security.
And even then Russia's army isn't very strong.
It's a remarkable achievement of Russian misinformation that anyone thinks this moronic viewpoint is credible.Firewater wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 12:59 pmThe adults in Ukraine need to push Zelenskyy aside and then hold elections. Then work with Trump to try and save their countryBlackmac wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:50 amI totally agree with this. Distasteful as it is Zelensky has to accept that he is in no position to negotiate that condition.I like neeps wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 9:57 am
As much as Vance is a cock he is correct that most wars end by negotiation and Ukraine has neither the man power nor support to reclaim the lands Russia have who are now advancing daily. Europe does have to wake up a bit and realise that.
My view it's too late. Ukraine will be divided up. This is the price paid for electing a lying comedian.
Zelensky should now find a safe country and enjoy his millions or billions. Just ensure though he has excellent security.
It seems to always start in Europe though, and while on the sidelines now ...I like neeps wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 2:44 pmPotentially a European war but with the US and China firmly on the side lines we aren't near world war 3.Jockaline wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 2:32 pmZelensky is one of the great statesmen of our time, even if he loses, he has been incredibly strong and fought for his country with incredible dignity and perseverance. I'd be happy for my country to put taxes a lot up to save not just Ukraine, but for Europe future. We are at the start of a potential WW3 with Trump's betrayal and we need to realise this.Firewater wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 12:59 pm
The adults in Ukraine need to push Zelenskyy aside and then hold elections. Then work with Trump to try and save their country
My view it's too late. Ukraine will be divided up. This is the price paid for electing a lying comedian.
Zelensky should now find a safe country and enjoy his millions or billions. Just ensure though he has excellent security.
And even then Russia's army isn't very strong.
I’m presuming the bit about electing a lying showman was typed with an ironic grin. Sadly probably nottc27 wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 3:02 pmIt's a remarkable achievement of Russian misinformation that anyone thinks this moronic viewpoint is credible.Firewater wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 12:59 pmThe adults in Ukraine need to push Zelenskyy aside and then hold elections. Then work with Trump to try and save their countryBlackmac wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:50 am
I totally agree with this. Distasteful as it is Zelensky has to accept that he is in no position to negotiate that condition.
My view it's too late. Ukraine will be divided up. This is the price paid for electing a lying comedian.
Zelensky should now find a safe country and enjoy his millions or billions. Just ensure though he has excellent security.
All the money you made will never buy back your soul
Speaking of, he didn't dodge some big questions in this like so many do these days, but explained things reasonably well.Jockaline wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 2:32 pmZelensky is one of the great statesmen of our time, even if he loses, he has been incredibly strong and fought for his country with incredible dignity and perseverance. I'd be happy for my country to put taxes a lot up to save not just Ukraine, but for Europe future. We are at the start of a potential WW3 with Trump's betrayal and we need to realise this.Firewater wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 12:59 pmThe adults in Ukraine need to push Zelenskyy aside and then hold elections. Then work with Trump to try and save their countryBlackmac wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:50 am
I totally agree with this. Distasteful as it is Zelensky has to accept that he is in no position to negotiate that condition.
My view it's too late. Ukraine will be divided up. This is the price paid for electing a lying comedian.
Zelensky should now find a safe country and enjoy his millions or billions. Just ensure though he has excellent security.
Unbelievably given the situation the EU wants to link closer security and defence ties to renegotiating access to UK fishing grounds.
I voted remain but in geopolitical terms we are way past tue Brexit era and this kinda thing needs to be stopped. I also think the worst thing for European defence would be to mesh in it the EUs structures.
If there was a major multi national war v Russia in Europe, China would definitely have a go at Taiwan.I like neeps wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 2:44 pmPotentially a European war but with the US and China firmly on the side lines we aren't near world war 3.Jockaline wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 2:32 pmZelensky is one of the great statesmen of our time, even if he loses, he has been incredibly strong and fought for his country with incredible dignity and perseverance. I'd be happy for my country to put taxes a lot up to save not just Ukraine, but for Europe future. We are at the start of a potential WW3 with Trump's betrayal and we need to realise this.Firewater wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 12:59 pm
The adults in Ukraine need to push Zelenskyy aside and then hold elections. Then work with Trump to try and save their country
My view it's too late. Ukraine will be divided up. This is the price paid for electing a lying comedian.
Zelensky should now find a safe country and enjoy his millions or billions. Just ensure though he has excellent security.
And even then Russia's army isn't very strong.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
You are a fucking stupid cunt.Firewater wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 12:59 pmThe adults in Ukraine need to push Zelenskyy aside and then hold elections. Then work with Trump to try and save their countryBlackmac wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:50 amI totally agree with this. Distasteful as it is Zelensky has to accept that he is in no position to negotiate that condition.I like neeps wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 9:57 am
As much as Vance is a cock he is correct that most wars end by negotiation and Ukraine has neither the man power nor support to reclaim the lands Russia have who are now advancing daily. Europe does have to wake up a bit and realise that.
My view it's too late. Ukraine will be divided up. This is the price paid for electing a lying comedian.
Zelensky should now find a safe country and enjoy his millions or billions. Just ensure though he has excellent security.
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One hopes Ukraine can have some faith when one looks to Poland that that which was erased can be restored.Biffer wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 5:38 pm This is looking more and more like the carve up of Poland by Hitler and Stalin. That ended well.
Even if he loses. And you have very low standards. One million dead and forcing people to fight and be killed. And a country destroyed and unlikely to exist soon.Jockaline wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 2:32 pmZelensky is one of the great statesmen of our time, even if he loses, he has been incredibly strong and fought for his country with incredible dignity and perseverance. I'd be happy for my country to put taxes a lot up to save not just Ukraine, but for Europe future. We are at the start of a potential WW3 with Trump's betrayal and we need to realise this.Firewater wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 12:59 pmThe adults in Ukraine need to push Zelenskyy aside and then hold elections. Then work with Trump to try and save their countryBlackmac wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:50 am
I totally agree with this. Distasteful as it is Zelensky has to accept that he is in no position to negotiate that condition.
My view it's too late. Ukraine will be divided up. This is the price paid for electing a lying comedian.
Zelensky should now find a safe country and enjoy his millions or billions. Just ensure though he has excellent security.
He was a puppet of the MIC who sold his country out.
The stupid are those who believe the MIC media stories. This war is all about money and land. Not about big bad Russia and evil Putin. These are just stories for the very stupidPunter15 wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 5:35 pmYou are a fucking stupid cunt.Firewater wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 12:59 pmThe adults in Ukraine need to push Zelenskyy aside and then hold elections. Then work with Trump to try and save their countryBlackmac wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:50 am
I totally agree with this. Distasteful as it is Zelensky has to accept that he is in no position to negotiate that condition.
My view it's too late. Ukraine will be divided up. This is the price paid for electing a lying comedian.
Zelensky should now find a safe country and enjoy his millions or billions. Just ensure though he has excellent security.
Can the State visit be changed so instead of Trump meeting Charlie & Camilla - he has an audience with Andrew - they seem to have a lot more in common
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Looking at your posting record, you joined a couple of weeks ago just to spout this shit. Why don’t you fuck off to twitter and find some mates. That place is full of window lickers and AI PR bots, you’ll fit right in.Firewater wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 6:15 pmThe stupid are those who believe the MIC media stories. This war is all about money and land. Not about big bad Russia and evil Putin. These are just stories for the very stupidPunter15 wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 5:35 pmYou are a fucking stupid cunt.Firewater wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 12:59 pm
The adults in Ukraine need to push Zelenskyy aside and then hold elections. Then work with Trump to try and save their country
My view it's too late. Ukraine will be divided up. This is the price paid for electing a lying comedian.
Zelensky should now find a safe country and enjoy his millions or billions. Just ensure though he has excellent security.
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A lot of absolutes there considering the US is less concerned with Russia than it is China.Biffer wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 5:23 pmIf there was a major multi national war v Russia in Europe, China would definitely have a go at Taiwan.I like neeps wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 2:44 pmPotentially a European war but with the US and China firmly on the side lines we aren't near world war 3.Jockaline wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 2:32 pm
Zelensky is one of the great statesmen of our time, even if he loses, he has been incredibly strong and fought for his country with incredible dignity and perseverance. I'd be happy for my country to put taxes a lot up to save not just Ukraine, but for Europe future. We are at the start of a potential WW3 with Trump's betrayal and we need to realise this.
And even then Russia's army isn't very strong.
I get that trolls get their kicks from winding people up and getting a reaction. But on a topic like this, for weird little men to get a kick out of deliberately winding up people about what could be existential threats to Europe, and the threat of a major war, just reflects on them and truly awful they are as people.Punter15 wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:02 pmLooking at your posting record, you joined a couple of weeks ago just to spout this shit. Why don’t you fuck off to twitter and find some mates. That place is full of window lickers and AI PR bots, you’ll fit right in.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
They aren't. The last two weeks they've lost more territory than they've gained and are still taking unsustainable losses in the process.Margin__Walker wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 12:44 pm?Uncle fester wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 12:40 pmPlease stop uncritically repeating russian propaganda.
They are. I didn't say quickly or cheaply
And have you seen what the bulk of the attempted advances have been attempted with? Crap. Literally Soviet era tanks and IFV. BMP1s is the best Russia has been able to trot out along large sections of the front.
I think lemonhead said Trump was like a mafioso last week and in terms of accent, vocabulary and mindset that was exactly what Trump was in that exchange with the Ukrainian PM. It was straight NY mob boss style, it was a sitdown and he got his balls broken.
Also, I've not seen any other VP play the prominent role that Vance has in his short term in the office. He is front and centre. It's like he is the consigliere, the Tom Hagen of the Trump admin.
Come to think of it, aesthetically Rubio gives off Michael Corleone vibes, with all that intensity.
Also, I've not seen any other VP play the prominent role that Vance has in his short term in the office. He is front and centre. It's like he is the consigliere, the Tom Hagen of the Trump admin.
Come to think of it, aesthetically Rubio gives off Michael Corleone vibes, with all that intensity.

Maureen Dowd nails the futility of stroking an uber-fragile ego like Trump's...
Everyone is so obsequious around Trump that he now gets huffy at the least pushback. He can make any claim, no matter how outrageous — that Ukraine started the war with Russia, that Zelensky is a “dictator.” But if anyone points out that he is wrong, he blows a gasket.
Just to point out that Ukraine is currently making advancements, retaking lost ground and encircling russian troops. This war is not just going in a single direction.
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"Bone Spurs", is offended because guy who's been facing death the last ~4 years every day didn't have time to put on a suit....
Zelensky should have just said he couldn't understand what the Traitor was saying because he still had Putins cock in his mouth.
Like I said before, Europe needs to kick off a "Freedom Bond", & let people invest in Ukrainian freedom !
Fuck the US !!, Fuck Russia !!!, Fuck China !!!!
Zelensky should have just said he couldn't understand what the Traitor was saying because he still had Putins cock in his mouth.
Like I said before, Europe needs to kick off a "Freedom Bond", & let people invest in Ukrainian freedom !
Fuck the US !!, Fuck Russia !!!, Fuck China !!!!
Or he merely ignores any factual claims made and continues spouting his lies. He has been corrected several times about the amount of aid the US has offered, which he claims to be $350bn but is really something between $100bn~150bn, but he is sticking to his belief that it is $350bn.Gumboot wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:16 pm![]()
Maureen Dowd nails the futility of stroking an uber-fragile ego like Trump's...
Everyone is so obsequious around Trump that he now gets huffy at the least pushback. He can make any claim, no matter how outrageous — that Ukraine started the war with Russia, that Zelensky is a “dictator.” But if anyone points out that he is wrong, he blows a gasket.
Gumboot wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:16 pm![]()
Maureen Dowd nails the futility of stroking an uber-fragile ego like Trump's...
Everyone is so obsequious around Trump that he now gets huffy at the least pushback. He can make any claim, no matter how outrageous — that Ukraine started the war with Russia, that Zelensky is a “dictator.” But if anyone points out that he is wrong, he blows a gasket.

Keep pressing him, show how unhinged he is, and maybe even blow his gasket.
isn't it DAC? don't think he is trolling, he genuinly believes all of it. like a welsh MAGA twatBiffer wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:08 pmI get that trolls get their kicks from winding people up and getting a reaction. But on a topic like this, for weird little men to get a kick out of deliberately winding up people about what could be existential threats to Europe, and the threat of a major war, just reflects on them and truly awful they are as people.Punter15 wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:02 pmLooking at your posting record, you joined a couple of weeks ago just to spout this shit. Why don’t you fuck off to twitter and find some mates. That place is full of window lickers and AI PR bots, you’ll fit right in.Firewater wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 6:15 pm
The stupid are those who believe the MIC media stories. This war is all about money and land. Not about big bad Russia and evil Putin. These are just stories for the very stupid