Kicking off in Israel

[Uncle fester]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... dApp_Other

Israel’s finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, said on Saturday night that he hoped the mass transfer of Palestinians from Gaza endorsed by Trump could begin soon. He said he expected Palestinians would be forced to leave by a resumption of bombing.

“It’s a process I hope will begin in the coming weeks,” he told Israel’s Channel 12. “Even if it’s slow at first, it will gradually pick up pace and intensify. There won’t be anything for the Gazans in Gaza for the next 10 to 15 years. After we go back to fighting, and all of Gaza looks like Jabaliya, there definitely will be nothing for them there.”

Smotrich was referring to Jabaliya refugee camp in northern Gaza, which was flattened by blanket bombing during 15 months of conflict.

Unfücking believable

[Guy Smiley]

It's not unbelievable though.

It's the reality. When someone tells you who they are so clearly, you have to believe it.

[inactionman]

It's not unbelievable though.

It's the reality. When someone tells you who they are so clearly, you have to believe it.

Like this one ?

Needs a bigger gut

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Needs a bigger gut, arse, fupar in general, more jowl. And the hair could be funnier (more realistic)

[Uncle fester]

The most moral army and the terrorism they inflict.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... dApp_Other

[Uncle fester]

The zone has been completely flooded with shit but this one is beyond troubling.

Don't allow protests against Israel or we'll cut your funding.

[Tichtheid]

The zone has been completely flooded with shit but this one is beyond troubling.

Don't allow protests against Israel or we'll cut your funding.

"Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

I don't see the caveat, "unless we don't like it" in there.

There is no way funding cuts under those circumstances can stand up in a court of law.

[Guy Smiley]

Who could have seen this coming...

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/545192 ... es-in-gaza

"Israel will, from now on, act against Hamas with increasing military strength," it said in a statement.

In Washington, a White House spokesperson said Israel had consulted the U.S. administration before it carried out the strikes, which the military said targeted mid-level Hamas commanders and leadership officials as well as infrstructure belonging to the militant group.

Negotiating teams from Israel and Hamas had been in Doha as mediators from Egypt and Qatar sought to bridge the gap between the two sides following the end of an initial phase in the ceasefire, which saw 33 Israeli hostages and five Thais returned by militant groups in Gaza in exchange for some 2,000 Palestinian prisoners.

With the backing of the United States, Israel had been pressing for the return of the remaining 59 hostages still held in Gaza in exchange for a longer-term truce that would have halted fighting until after the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan and the Jewish Passover holiday in April.

However Hamas had been insisting on moving to negotiations for a permanent end to the war and a full withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza, in accordance with the terms of the original ceasefire agreement.

"We demand that the mediators hold Netanyahu and the Zionist occupation fully responsible for violating and overturning the agreement," the group said.

Each side has accused the other of failing to respect the terms of the January ceasefire agreement, and there were multiple hiccups during the course of the first phase. But until now, a full return to the fighting had been avoided.

Israel had blocked deliveries of aid from entering Gaza and had threatened on numerous occasions to resume fighting if Hamas did not agree to return the hostages it still holds.

The army did not provide details about the strikes carried out in the early hours of Tuesday but Palestinian health authorities and witnesses contacted by Reuters reported damage in numerous areas of Gaza, where hundreds of thousands are living in makeshift shelters or damaged buildings.

A building in Gaza City, in the northern end of the strip was hit and at least three houses were hit in Deir Al-Balah in central Gaza. In addition, the strikes hit targets in the southern cities of Khan Younis and Rafah, according to medics and witnesses.

Much of Gaza now lies in ruins after 15 months of fighting, which erupted on October 7, 2023 when thousands of Hamas-led gunmen attacked Israeli communities around the Gaza Strip, killing some 1,200 people, according to Israeli tallies, and abducting 251 hostages into Gaza.

The Israeli campaign in response has killed more than 48,000 people, according to Palestinian health authorities, and destroyed much of the housing and infrastructure in the enclave, including the hospital system.

[Slick]

They are just going to go ahead and clear Gaza, probably followed by the West Bank, and no one is going to do a thing about it.

[dpedin]

They are just going to go ahead and clear Gaza, probably followed by the West Bank, and no one is going to do a thing about it.

That's been their aim, and the US aim, all along. Everything else is a smoke screen to the genocide they are perpetrating. The disgusting and brutal terrorism Hammas carried out murdering innocents and taking hostages was just the excuse they were waiting for.

[dpedin]

They are just going to go ahead and clear Gaza, probably followed by the West Bank, and no one is going to do a thing about it.

That's been their aim, and the US aim, all along. Everything else is a smoke screen to the genocide they are perpetrating. The disgusting and brutal terrorism Hammas carried out murdering innocents and taking hostages was just the excuse they were waiting for.

[Sandstorm]

They are just going to go ahead and clear Gaza, probably followed by the West Bank, and no one is going to do a thing about it.

That's been their aim, and the US aim, all along. Everything else is a smoke screen to the genocide they are perpetrating. The disgusting and brutal terrorism Hammas carried out murdering innocents and taking hostages was just the excuse they were waiting for.

Hammas taking hostages was their big mistake. Should have just gone home again after lunch, they made their point and Israel probably wouldn't have had an excuse to invade (with Biden in the White House anyway).

[Rhubarb & Custard]

They are just going to go ahead and clear Gaza, probably followed by the West Bank, and no one is going to do a thing about it.

That's been their aim, and the US aim, all along. Everything else is a smoke screen to the genocide they are perpetrating. The disgusting and brutal terrorism Hammas carried out murdering innocents and taking hostages was just the excuse they were waiting for.

Hammas taking hostages was their big mistake. Should have just gone home again after lunch, they made their point and Israel probably wouldn't have had an excuse to invade (with Biden in the White House anyway).

In many ways Hammas got what they wanted, a massive over reaction from Israel that turned Israel from the victim to the perpetrator of genocide. And all they had to do was be willing to see huge numbers die, on both sides, and history says they'll happily pay such price

Even if Israel clears way more land they'll be doing well to stay clear of emerging drone technology, frankly it doesn't look possible. So Israel is just as exposed to bombings and strikes from the air as they were, but now with less friends

[Enzedder]

This is just another chapter in the 100+ years war.

Is it time to stop arming the bastards from both sides and they can revert to fighting with swords and shields.

[Uncle fester]

This is just another chapter in the 100+ years war.

Is it time to stop arming the bastards from both sides and they can revert to fighting with swords and shields.

Funny how the yanks want to "stop the aid" to one conflict but not this one.

[Uncle fester]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... d-arrested

Plenty going on while the world watches the dumpster fire across the Atlantic.

[Uncle fester]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... d-arrested

Plenty going on while the world watches the dumpster fire across the Atlantic.

And released after being severely beaten.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... dApp_Other

[Uncle fester]

Not even trying to hide it anymore. Aid workers slaughtered, buried in shallow graves along with their ambulance and at least one of them with arms tied.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... dApp_Other

I'm sure the IDF will have a good explanation for this.

[laurent]

Not even trying to hide it anymore. Aid workers slaughtered, buried in shallow graves along with their ambulance and at least one of them with arms tied.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... dApp_Other

I'm sure the IDF will have a good explanation for this.

blabla bla ouin ouin antisemitism ...

ad nauseum

[Slick]

Not even trying to hide it anymore. Aid workers slaughtered, buried in shallow graves along with their ambulance and at least one of them with arms tied.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... dApp_Other

I'm sure the IDF will have a good explanation for this.

They don't care any longer. They know the world has largely moved on and they can do what they want, and that in a few years everyone will have forgotten.

This has been a catastrophic failure by our leaders

[Uncle fester]

And they are ploughing ahead with annexation and further reducing the footprint of the Palestinian concentration camp.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy8qnxwv08do

Unlikely they'll be getting any more hostages back.

[Uncle fester]

No Other Land

It's available online on channel 4.
Watch it.

[C69]

News breaking about an offer of prisoner release by Hamas in return for a 5 year cease fire apparently.
Bibi aint going to go for that

[Slick]

Anyone see the Louis Theroux thing on "Settlers" last night? Pretty eye opening stuff.

Was a bit disappointed he didn't point out to any of the folk he spoke with who were advocating for forced removal or death for Palestinians that it sounds a bit familiar.

[Uncle fester]

Anyone see the Louis Theroux thing on "Settlers" last night? Pretty eye opening stuff.

Was a bit disappointed he didn't point out to any of the folk he spoke with who were advocating for forced removal or death for Palestinians that it sounds a bit familiar.

I think that's his usual approach. He takes a "neutral" non confrontational approach and let's them hang themselves. More effective IMO.

[Slick]

Anyone see the Louis Theroux thing on "Settlers" last night? Pretty eye opening stuff.

Was a bit disappointed he didn't point out to any of the folk he spoke with who were advocating for forced removal or death for Palestinians that it sounds a bit familiar.

I think that's his usual approach. He takes a "neutral" non confrontational approach and let's them hang themselves. More effective IMO.

Yup, and he's brilliant at it, but I got the sense he was itching to say something and he wasn't scared to ask some other questions

[Paddington Bear]

It’s a great doc, sadly it just reinforced for me that anyone expecting a happy ending is going to be sorely disappointed. The fastest growing section of Israeli society seems hell bent on ethnic cleansing and aware that there are very few consequences for them doing so

[Uncle fester]

An aid shop en route to Gaza has been attacked by drones off the coast of Malta.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... dApp_Other

Worth looking at a map to see where Malta is in relation to Gaza/Israel. It's pretty much half way across the Mediterranean.

[mat the expat]

An aid shop en route to Gaza has been attacked by drones off the coast of Malta.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... dApp_Other

Worth looking at a map to see where Malta is in relation to Gaza/Israel. It's pretty much half way across the Mediterranean.

I've been reading some strange stuff about this - which of course, could be dis-information

[Uncle fester]

An aid shop en route to Gaza has been attacked by drones off the coast of Malta.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... dApp_Other

Worth looking at a map to see where Malta is in relation to Gaza/Israel. It's pretty much half way across the Mediterranean.

I've been reading some strange stuff about this - which of course, could be dis-information

The hasbara trolls are determined to have a fight about the precise number of people who were on board at the time.

[Uncle fester]

Latest from Bibi is that they will occupy Gaza and move the population "for their own safety".

Where does he have in mind for that I wonder?

[mat the expat]

An aid shop en route to Gaza has been attacked by drones off the coast of Malta.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... dApp_Other

Worth looking at a map to see where Malta is in relation to Gaza/Israel. It's pretty much half way across the Mediterranean.

I've been reading some strange stuff about this - which of course, could be dis-information

The hasbara trolls are determined to have a fight about the precise number of people who were on board at the time.

I'd also read that generators exploded.

It's a clusterfuck whatever has happened

[Uncle fester]

I've been reading some strange stuff about this - which of course, could be dis-information

The hasbara trolls are determined to have a fight about the precise number of people who were on board at the time.

I'd also read that generators exploded.

It's a clusterfuck whatever has happened

It's a bit of an odd one. I'm sure we'll find out more in due course.

[mat the expat]

Hopefully!

[Yeeb]

All these attacks by drones thing, really is one step closer to the future as shown in the Terminator films. Be very surprised if IDF haven’t already hooked a nuke up to drone for a few test flights.

Quick google shows the smallest nuclear weapon weighed 23kg, which is far below the carrying capacity of larger drones.

[Uncle fester]

Assuming it was a drone attack by IDF, isn't it a bit silly to give away their capability to do this?

In other news, western public opinion is gradually but inexorably turning against Israel.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr4n90g6v9qo

I foresee a future where they have no option but to seek peace with their Arab neighbours but it could be far too late then.
Think of an apartheid south Africa that refused to give up apartheid.

[Yeeb]

Assuming it was a drone attack by IDF, isn't it a bit silly to give away their capability to do this?

In other news, western public opinion is gradually but inexorably turning against Israel.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr4n90g6v9qo

I foresee a future where they have no option but to seek peace with their Arab neighbours but it could be far too late then.
Think of an apartheid south Africa that refused to give up apartheid.

There’s multiple levels of 5D chess going on here, mere mortals like us can’t comprehend what IDF want us to know or not know. May be nothing more than a test, General Reuben had a bet with General Herschel that he could take out a ship with his new toys for under $10k and needed it proven.
Or a Hiroshima style sabre rattling .
Or…

[tabascoboy]

So apparently the latest bright idea is a proposal of an indefinite US occupation of Gaza modelled on the 2003 Provisional Authority in Iraq (which worked out so well...). The US administration excelling itself in foreign policy once again

Exclusive: US, Israel discuss possible US-led administration for Gaza, sources say

[fishfoodie]

All these attacks by drones thing, really is one step closer to the future as shown in the Terminator films. Be very surprised if IDF haven’t already hooked a nuke up to drone for a few test flights.

Quick google shows the smallest nuclear weapon weighed 23kg, which is far below the carrying capacity of larger drones.

I don't think it likely; there are usually a whole series of links in the fuzing of nukes; this is mostly because you don't want any unauthorized person just walking off with a nuke & setting it off without authority, but also because you don't want your opponent downing your cruise missile, or drone, & taking out the warhead & dropping it back on you !!!!

One of the so called PAL links on US/UK nukes was a combination lock that was supposed to be warhead specific, but in the case of the UK, they just set them all to 0.0.0.0 because they were afraid it would take too long when the klaxon started blaring.

On ICBMs there was/is one that doesn't arm until it exceeded a certain G load that meant it would only arm during re-entry, so if something went wrong, it wouldn't go kaboom over US soil.

But I suppose they could geofence the target area, & have it not arm until GPS said it'd got there, but you won't find a more risk averse bunch of people than those who work with nukes.

[Yeeb]

All these attacks by drones thing, really is one step closer to the future as shown in the Terminator films. Be very surprised if IDF haven’t already hooked a nuke up to drone for a few test flights.

Quick google shows the smallest nuclear weapon weighed 23kg, which is far below the carrying capacity of larger drones.

I don't think it likely; there are usually a whole series of links in the fuzing of nukes; this is mostly because you don't want any unauthorized person just walking off with a nuke & setting it off without authority, but also because you don't want your opponent downing your cruise missile, or drone, & taking out the warhead & dropping it back on you !!!!

One of the so called PAL links on US/UK nukes was a combination lock that was supposed to be warhead specific, but in the case of the UK, they just set them all to 0.0.0.0 because they were afraid it would take too long when the klaxon started blaring.

On ICBMs there was/is one that doesn't arm until it exceeded a certain G load that meant it would only arm during re-entry, so if something went wrong, it wouldn't go kaboom over US soil.

But I suppose they could geofence the target area, & have it not arm until GPS said it'd got there, but you won't find a more risk averse bunch of people than those who work with nukes.

Cool, you sound much more clued up on them than I so bow to your knowledge , I will just prefer to live in comfortable blissful ignorance until death by old age, run over by a poolshitter at a Christmas market, or nuclear sudden Armageddon thanks to a war instigated by president Farage.

Tbh even nukes aside, there are plenty of other horrific nastiness I’m sure the IDf / hezbollah / Iran / US / USSR have hidden away just in case, even if just plain old tnt in MOAB quantities (need a shed load of drones for that !)