Petition: "concerned American citizens, feel deeply distressed by the increasing influence of corporate leaders in our political landscape. We specifically point to Elon Musk, a naturalized US citizen from South Africa, who we feel has exerted imbalanced and potentially corrupting influence."
Elon Musk bought Twitter.
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3?Sandstorm wrote: Thu Apr 03, 2025 12:31 pm Plenty of small BEVs available in Australia, here's a small sample from all price categories:
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Small for some of those is stretching it a bit

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It's just a passive list, no way was I gonna go through and filter results manually...
the point is, there's a LOT of BEVs in the Oz market.
the point is, there's a LOT of BEVs in the Oz market.
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If like me you were curious as to why Space Karen suddenly decided to question the "Dear Leader" on his tariff, eh, strategy; allow me to enlighten you.
In amongst the steaming pile of pigshit that are Tesla's financials, there is a single diamond ... the Energy Storage division !!
This one division has seen a doubling of revenue year-on-year, when everything else was flat at best.
Now where do you think all those storage walls etc get their batteries from ? .... if you guessed the US, you'd be wrong; if you guessed the Country that'll have a total tariff of 104% on imports by the end of the week; you'd have guessed correctly !
In amongst the steaming pile of pigshit that are Tesla's financials, there is a single diamond ... the Energy Storage division !!
This one division has seen a doubling of revenue year-on-year, when everything else was flat at best.
Now where do you think all those storage walls etc get their batteries from ? .... if you guessed the US, you'd be wrong; if you guessed the Country that'll have a total tariff of 104% on imports by the end of the week; you'd have guessed correctly !
We all knew the honeymoon wouldn’t lastfishfoodie wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2025 7:00 pm If like me you were curious as to why Space Karen suddenly decided to question the "Dear Leader" on his tariff, eh, strategy; allow me to enlighten you.
In amongst the steaming pile of pigshit that are Tesla's financials, there is a single diamond ... the Energy Storage division !!
This one division has seen a doubling of revenue year-on-year, when everything else was flat at best.
Now where do you think all those storage walls etc get their batteries from ? .... if you guessed the US, you'd be wrong; if you guessed the Country that'll have a total tariff of 104% on imports by the end of the week; you'd have guessed correctly !

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Neither of them are into long term relationships really .....Sandstorm wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2025 7:10 pmWe all knew the honeymoon wouldn’t lastfishfoodie wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2025 7:00 pm If like me you were curious as to why Space Karen suddenly decided to question the "Dear Leader" on his tariff, eh, strategy; allow me to enlighten you.
In amongst the steaming pile of pigshit that are Tesla's financials, there is a single diamond ... the Energy Storage division !!
This one division has seen a doubling of revenue year-on-year, when everything else was flat at best.
Now where do you think all those storage walls etc get their batteries from ? .... if you guessed the US, you'd be wrong; if you guessed the Country that'll have a total tariff of 104% on imports by the end of the week; you'd have guessed correctly !![]()
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Trump just grabbed Musk by the pussy.
Meanwhile, concerns about mid terms from the large donors...
Meanwhile, concerns about mid terms from the large donors...
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Hence the renewed efforts to rig the electoral system, but they might not have enough time, & even if they did, they just aren't that bright, & the damage from this is going to be far, far worse than what they jerrymander to their benefit.Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2025 9:04 pm Trump just grabbed Musk by the pussy.
Meanwhile, concerns about mid terms from the large donors...
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Doesn't matter. They own the Supreme Court, they can do what the fuck they like.
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Tesla facing both a demand side slump and a supply chain massive cost increase both as a direct result of his supporting Trump to the White House. And every country in the world is using blocking access to Starlink as a negotiating tool.
Now he's no longer in the Presidents ear his corporates will start to be less fascinated by him. Lucky he got the x transaction done when he did.
Oh well, F*ck around find out. Maybe you can start paying those giant checks to members of Congress to overturn the tariffs Elon!
Now he's no longer in the Presidents ear his corporates will start to be less fascinated by him. Lucky he got the x transaction done when he did.
Oh well, F*ck around find out. Maybe you can start paying those giant checks to members of Congress to overturn the tariffs Elon!
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The one time when the toxic bullying tendencies of a section of the gaming community came in handy.Kiwias wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 6:28 am Seems he was playing one of his favourite games but had to drop out because of the trolling he was subjected to.
It amazes me that us punters could see exactly how this would end, but these cunts can't.I like neeps wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 6:34 am Tesla facing both a demand side slump and a supply chain massive cost increase both as a direct result of his supporting Trump to the White House. And every country in the world is using blocking access to Starlink as a negotiating tool.
Now he's no longer in the Presidents ear his corporates will start to be less fascinated by him. Lucky he got the x transaction done when he did.
Oh well, F*ck around find out. Maybe you can start paying those giant checks to members of Congress to overturn the tariffs Elon!
All the money you made will never buy back your soul
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History is littered with the remains of people who thought they could keep the lunatic in charge under control using their wealth and influence as a sane hand on the tiller, or that their wealth would insulate them from the purges, or were just as evil/uncaring/rascist and enthusiastic participants in the cuntery as it kept them rich and influential.Slick wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 10:39 amIt amazes me that us punters could see exactly how this would end, but these cunts can't.I like neeps wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 6:34 am Tesla facing both a demand side slump and a supply chain massive cost increase both as a direct result of his supporting Trump to the White House. And every country in the world is using blocking access to Starlink as a negotiating tool.
Now he's no longer in the Presidents ear his corporates will start to be less fascinated by him. Lucky he got the x transaction done when he did.
Oh well, F*ck around find out. Maybe you can start paying those giant checks to members of Congress to overturn the tariffs Elon!
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They conflate their ability to accrue wealth with infallibility and being smarter than everyone else, they become blind to the possibilities of failure and miscalculation.Slick wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 10:39 amIt amazes me that us punters could see exactly how this would end, but these cunts can't.I like neeps wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 6:34 am Tesla facing both a demand side slump and a supply chain massive cost increase both as a direct result of his supporting Trump to the White House. And every country in the world is using blocking access to Starlink as a negotiating tool.
Now he's no longer in the Presidents ear his corporates will start to be less fascinated by him. Lucky he got the x transaction done when he did.
Oh well, F*ck around find out. Maybe you can start paying those giant checks to members of Congress to overturn the tariffs Elon!
Fingers crossed they all become historyHal Jordan wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 11:04 amHistory is littered with the remains of people who thought they could keep the lunatic in charge under control using their wealth and influence as a sane hand on the tiller, or that their wealth would insulate them from the purges, or were just as evil/uncaring/rascist and enthusiastic participants in the cuntery as it kept them rich and influential.Slick wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 10:39 amIt amazes me that us punters could see exactly how this would end, but these cunts can't.I like neeps wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 6:34 am Tesla facing both a demand side slump and a supply chain massive cost increase both as a direct result of his supporting Trump to the White House. And every country in the world is using blocking access to Starlink as a negotiating tool.
Now he's no longer in the Presidents ear his corporates will start to be less fascinated by him. Lucky he got the x transaction done when he did.
Oh well, F*ck around find out. Maybe you can start paying those giant checks to members of Congress to overturn the tariffs Elon!
All the money you made will never buy back your soul
Basically, psychopathssockwithaticket wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 11:20 amThey conflate their ability to accrue wealth with infallibility and being smarter than everyone else, they become blind to the possibilities of failure and miscalculation.Slick wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 10:39 amIt amazes me that us punters could see exactly how this would end, but these cunts can't.I like neeps wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 6:34 am Tesla facing both a demand side slump and a supply chain massive cost increase both as a direct result of his supporting Trump to the White House. And every country in the world is using blocking access to Starlink as a negotiating tool.
Now he's no longer in the Presidents ear his corporates will start to be less fascinated by him. Lucky he got the x transaction done when he did.
Oh well, F*ck around find out. Maybe you can start paying those giant checks to members of Congress to overturn the tariffs Elon!
All the money you made will never buy back your soul
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It'll be instructive to see who the Tango traitor sides with in the cat fight between Navarro & Space Karen ?
On the one hand SK's massive wealth makes him the Alpha as far as TT is concerned, but Navarro is just about the only other person on the planet who agrees with his Tariff "strategy"; so if he fires him he's admitting that he has been wrong his entire life, & I don't think his fragile ego will ever let him do that

This is what happens when you surround yourself with yes men & sycophants, & fire anyone with the honesty to tell you the truth.
On the one hand SK's massive wealth makes him the Alpha as far as TT is concerned, but Navarro is just about the only other person on the planet who agrees with his Tariff "strategy"; so if he fires him he's admitting that he has been wrong his entire life, & I don't think his fragile ego will ever let him do that



This is what happens when you surround yourself with yes men & sycophants, & fire anyone with the honesty to tell you the truth.
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You generally don't get that rich without leaving some basic human emotions at the door.Slick wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 1:44 pmBasically, psychopathssockwithaticket wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 11:20 amThey conflate their ability to accrue wealth with infallibility and being smarter than everyone else, they become blind to the possibilities of failure and miscalculation.Slick wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 10:39 am
It amazes me that us punters could see exactly how this would end, but these cunts can't.
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Problem is, so do a lot of innocent people as collateral damage.Slick wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 1:44 pmFingers crossed they all become historyHal Jordan wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 11:04 amHistory is littered with the remains of people who thought they could keep the lunatic in charge under control using their wealth and influence as a sane hand on the tiller, or that their wealth would insulate them from the purges, or were just as evil/uncaring/rascist and enthusiastic participants in the cuntery as it kept them rich and influential.Slick wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 10:39 am
It amazes me that us punters could see exactly how this would end, but these cunts can't.
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and that's if you start out with any to begin with, which neither of the two we're talking about appear to have had' just look at their fathers !Hal Jordan wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 4:48 pmYou generally don't get that rich without leaving some basic human emotions at the door.Slick wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 1:44 pmBasically, psychopathssockwithaticket wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 11:20 am
They conflate their ability to accrue wealth with infallibility and being smarter than everyone else, they become blind to the possibilities of failure and miscalculation.
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I can see how a broadly normal, fundamentally decent person starts a business and ends up with say £10m in the bank. Much more than that and you’ve had to really screw someone and likely multiple someonesHal Jordan wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 4:48 pmYou generally don't get that rich without leaving some basic human emotions at the door.Slick wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 1:44 pmBasically, psychopathssockwithaticket wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 11:20 am
They conflate their ability to accrue wealth with infallibility and being smarter than everyone else, they become blind to the possibilities of failure and miscalculation.
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Warren Buffett and his son appear to be decent men. In fact Howard has donated over $800m to Ukraine since 2022.
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My money's on both wit kants biting the dust, as with all Trump relationships. His credentials:fishfoodie wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 4:45 pm It'll be instructive to see who the Tango traitor sides with in the cat fight between Navarro & Space Karen ?
On the one hand SK's massive wealth makes him the Alpha as far as TT is concerned, but Navarro is just about the only other person on the planet who agrees with his Tariff "strategy"; so if he fires him he's admitting that he has been wrong his entire life, & I don't think his fragile ego will ever let him do that![]()
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This is what happens when you surround yourself with yes men & sycophants, & fire anyone with the honesty to tell you the truth.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/polit ... on-391839/
Combined, they can and will tear shit down. But he is not a serious president, and these are not serious people.
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They might be intellectual midgets, but their power means they are serious people as far as the rest of us are concerned !lemonhead wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 9:03 pmMy money's on both wit kants biting the dust, as with all Trump relationships. His credentials:fishfoodie wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 4:45 pm It'll be instructive to see who the Tango traitor sides with in the cat fight between Navarro & Space Karen ?
On the one hand SK's massive wealth makes him the Alpha as far as TT is concerned, but Navarro is just about the only other person on the planet who agrees with his Tariff "strategy"; so if he fires him he's admitting that he has been wrong his entire life, & I don't think his fragile ego will ever let him do that![]()
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This is what happens when you surround yourself with yes men & sycophants, & fire anyone with the honesty to tell you the truth.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/polit ... on-391839/
Combined, they can and will tear shit down. But he is not a serious president, and these are not serious people.
Their actions will have serious consequences, & the rest of us will have to live with the American voters being morons, & trusting these idiots with God like powers.
Even after today's change, & some stock market bounce, we're still down considerably, & all it proves to everyone is there's a fucking nutcase in the Oval Office, & he could do anything, at anytime.
We're now going to get a Global Recession all because this fucking loon decided that while tariffs failed before, he could make them work !; now there are millions of CEOs who are going to stop their previous investment plans, because they now have to factor into them the possibility that this moron might put the Country they planned on investing in, on his tariff hit list; or they might pause their plan to build a factory in the US, because they know that that factory was dependent on a factory in Mexico, or China, or Canada, & if the tariffs happen, then the whole project becomes nonviable.
Uncertainty kills investment, just look at Brexit !!!
And if Business investment stops, then growth stops, & you end up with a toxic mix of recession, stagflation & unemployment
Oh, I'm under no illusions about the damage they will inflict.
But to capsize the global economy affecting billions of people you'd have hoped for better class of evil. At the heart of it is a bunch of fkin children, banal and hopelessly incompetent.
But to capsize the global economy affecting billions of people you'd have hoped for better class of evil. At the heart of it is a bunch of fkin children, banal and hopelessly incompetent.
https://archive.is/UEoS6Biffer wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:51 pm There's an article in the WSJ about Musk and his breeding legion, him approaching women on twitter to father his kids, paying them and housing them in a compound in Texas. It's, well, it's, wow.
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Well you know the way the analysts in Space Karens pockets have been saying how the plummeting sales were down to the changeover to the new Model-Y (the best selling model), well if this review is reflective of the new model, I don't see any great turn around any time soon.
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-revie ... del-y-suv/Tesla Model Y (2025) review: an exercise in irritation
Tesla’s dealing with some bad PR right now. Its CEO is parading around on the political stage with the one of the world’s most powerful (and most unhinged) leaders, chucking Nazi salutes about like sweets and carving huge chunks out the US government’s workforce. He’s not exactly focused on cars. And it shows.
This facelifted Model Y demonstrates the extent of the problem. Tesla reckons it’s better to drive, more user-friendly, more comfortable and more efficient than before. But, having spent a day with the car, I’m not at all convinced. Like most of Tesla’s products, this updated Model Y’s seems to be founded on hype it can’t live up to.
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The ride’s appalling, too. We complained at length about the old Model Y’s ride and, for this facelifted car, Tesla’s made it worse. It now has softer springs, but the damping doesn’t feel like it’s been adjusted to suit. That means it’s floaty until you hit a bump, at which point it immediately becomes uncomfortable as the granite dampers can’t compress quickly enough to absorb the impact. It’s irritatingly unsettled around town.
This change has influenced the handling, too. The old Model Y wasn’t too bad in corners – the cast iron chassis setup meant it controlled its two-tonne heft quite well. But this new car rolls around a lot more which is rather unnerving, especially when you consider how sterile the steering is.
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Before you buy
Don’t. Tesla’s technology might still be at the cutting edge, but all the Model Y’s rivals – such as the BMW iX2, Hyundai Ioniq 5, Kia EV6, Skoda Enyaq Coupe and Polestar 2 – are better cars. Tesla’s become so focused on producing a dazzling show stand for the Consumer Electronics Show that it’s forgot its primary purpose is to build vehicles.
The Model Y’s ergonomics are seriously compromised by the touchscreen, while its ride and handling can’t stand up to any of its competitors. Even in standard guise, the Kia EV6 is far more composed and much more playful – and if you lined a Model Y AWD up alongside an Ioniq 5 N, the Korean Korner Killer would chew the Tesla up and spit its fancy battery technology all over the tarmac. It’s no competition for me.
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That took some courage from her.

It's more than wow ... it's feckin completely bonkers! The man is mad, a real James Bond villain.PornDog wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 3:43 pmhttps://archive.is/UEoS6Biffer wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:51 pm There's an article in the WSJ about Musk and his breeding legion, him approaching women on twitter to father his kids, paying them and housing them in a compound in Texas. It's, well, it's, wow.
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I have very limited sympathy for most of the women involved but jesus...the poor children.dpedin wrote: Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:43 amIt's more than wow ... it's feckin completely bonkers! The man is mad, a real James Bond villain.PornDog wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 3:43 pmhttps://archive.is/UEoS6Biffer wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:51 pm There's an article in the WSJ about Musk and his breeding legion, him approaching women on twitter to father his kids, paying them and housing them in a compound in Texas. It's, well, it's, wow.
There is a follow up article in yesterday's Observer - it's her last column there
This bit near the end is becoming increasingly familiar
A Ted fellow, a next-gen rising star, told me that some of her cohort in the US on visas or green cards had cancelled their trips, worried that they might be detained at the border when returning home. A Canadian editor for the Globe and Mail told me they were now sending reporters to the US with burner phones and wiped laptops. A historian at a non-profit specialising in black history told me of cancelled grants.
https://www.theguardian.com/global/2025 ... st-act-now
Probably the only decent reason for owning a Tesla is the Supercharger network. Always empty bays when the other networks have a queue of expensive Mercs and Porsche waiting for the few high speed chargers. Must hurt when you have spent 100k on a car and you are waiting behind a 10 year old Nissan Leaf.fishfoodie wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:31 pm Well you know the way the analysts in Space Karens pockets have been saying how the plummeting sales were down to the changeover to the new Model-Y (the best selling model), well if this review is reflective of the new model, I don't see any great turn around any time soon.
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-revie ... del-y-suv/Tesla Model Y (2025) review: an exercise in irritation
Tesla’s dealing with some bad PR right now. Its CEO is parading around on the political stage with the one of the world’s most powerful (and most unhinged) leaders, chucking Nazi salutes about like sweets and carving huge chunks out the US government’s workforce. He’s not exactly focused on cars. And it shows.
This facelifted Model Y demonstrates the extent of the problem. Tesla reckons it’s better to drive, more user-friendly, more comfortable and more efficient than before. But, having spent a day with the car, I’m not at all convinced. Like most of Tesla’s products, this updated Model Y’s seems to be founded on hype it can’t live up to.
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The ride’s appalling, too. We complained at length about the old Model Y’s ride and, for this facelifted car, Tesla’s made it worse. It now has softer springs, but the damping doesn’t feel like it’s been adjusted to suit. That means it’s floaty until you hit a bump, at which point it immediately becomes uncomfortable as the granite dampers can’t compress quickly enough to absorb the impact. It’s irritatingly unsettled around town.
This change has influenced the handling, too. The old Model Y wasn’t too bad in corners – the cast iron chassis setup meant it controlled its two-tonne heft quite well. But this new car rolls around a lot more which is rather unnerving, especially when you consider how sterile the steering is.
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Before you buy
Don’t. Tesla’s technology might still be at the cutting edge, but all the Model Y’s rivals – such as the BMW iX2, Hyundai Ioniq 5, Kia EV6, Skoda Enyaq Coupe and Polestar 2 – are better cars. Tesla’s become so focused on producing a dazzling show stand for the Consumer Electronics Show that it’s forgot its primary purpose is to build vehicles.
The Model Y’s ergonomics are seriously compromised by the touchscreen, while its ride and handling can’t stand up to any of its competitors. Even in standard guise, the Kia EV6 is far more composed and much more playful – and if you lined a Model Y AWD up alongside an Ioniq 5 N, the Korean Korner Killer would chew the Tesla up and spit its fancy battery technology all over the tarmac. It’s no competition for me.
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In NZ, the Tesla network is opening up to other brands and I know if I can be bothered loading the app there are several Supercharger sites within range I can use. I don't need that myself as we've got enough options to keep me running with no major hassles.shaggy wrote: Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:52 pm
Probably the only decent reason for owning a Tesla is the Supercharger network. Always empty bays when the other networks have a queue of expensive Mercs and Porsche waiting for the few high speed chargers. Must hurt when you have spent 100k on a car and you are waiting behind a 10 year old Nissan Leaf.
It's only a matter of time before simple business appeal removes the exclusivity and those superchargers will be available to the general public.
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Which was the one part of the company with a stead growth, & run by an excellent Manager; who SK sacked when she refused to just fire 10% of her team, when SK demanded she did.shaggy wrote: Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:52 pm
Probably the only decent reason for owning a Tesla is the Supercharger network. Always empty bays when the other networks have a queue of expensive Mercs and Porsche waiting for the few high speed chargers. Must hurt when you have spent 100k on a car and you are waiting behind a 10 year old Nissan Leaf.
Now the Tango Traitor has cut all the subsidies for charger installations Tesla have cancelled loads of planned new chargers, so combined with the various power storage products being totally dependent on Chinese batteries, this one bring light on the balance sheet is about to get snuffed out !
The Q1 earnings call tomorrow will be wall to wall bluster & bullshit for non-existent products, & imaginary causes for the shit state of the company.