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Niegs wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 7:27 pm Out of interest, what are sensible ways they could reshore manufacturing? Or is it highly unlikely to be profitable any way given the costs of doing business?
Reshoring is a very interesting topic with multiple layers - for every Trump ‘we want those jobs here’ type , they are the exact same people who don’t want to live next to a factory or have pollution from it or even want to talk to people who merely work in factories, yet they want to be able to buy whatever they at cheapest price always. The vast majority of useless crap that’s made, I’m quite glad it’s made abroad in another countries sweatshop , and would rather we were nationally self reliant in the important stuff like food, medicine , homes, weapons, PPe, energy, and all the things that go into making and getting to the consumer all those products. Useless shit like MAGA baseball caps, China is welcome to make.

The easiest way to onshore , is to make it tax attractive for a firm to be based there. Ireland did this brilliantly with pharma, microchips and financial services, and went from nowhere to a global hub in 20 years. Tax carrots are far more effective than stick tarrifs.

Manufacturing also doesn’t have to be all and end all of course , especially in mature markets like Uk where services dominate (France has even bigger slice of service sector, nearly 8o% gdp says wiki)

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Instructing the military on deployment not to play pool, cards, video games etc, shows a deep understanding of military action. This will really get them on board

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Uncle fester wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:09 pm https://www.reddit.com/r/law/s/sAxVqbqsUu

Even advocating for Kilmar Garcia could see people getting charged.
But they expect the UK Government to repeal its own hate speech laws for an FTA...
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Yeeb wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:28 pm
Niegs wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 7:27 pm Out of interest, what are sensible ways they could reshore manufacturing? Or is it highly unlikely to be profitable any way given the costs of doing business?
Reshoring is a very interesting topic with multiple layers - for every Trump ‘we want those jobs here’ type , they are the exact same people who don’t want to live next to a factory or have pollution from it or even want to talk to people who merely work in factories, yet they want to be able to buy whatever they at cheapest price always. The vast majority of useless crap that’s made, I’m quite glad it’s made abroad in another countries sweatshop , and would rather we were nationally self reliant in the important stuff like food, medicine , homes, weapons, PPe, energy, and all the things that go into making and getting to the consumer all those products. Useless shit like MAGA baseball caps, China is welcome to make.

The easiest way to onshore , is to make it tax attractive for a firm to be based there. Ireland did this brilliantly with pharma, microchips and financial services, and went from nowhere to a global hub in 20 years. Tax carrots are far more effective than stick tarrifs.

Manufacturing also doesn’t have to be all and end all of course , especially in mature markets like Uk where services dominate (France has even bigger slice of service sector, nearly 8o% gdp says wiki)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... omposition
Another way to go about it is what Biden did. Incentivise key critical sectors of national interest to allow entrepreneurs and venture capital to go to work. So the US got a manufacturing boom in new technologies and home grown renewable energy production. Yes, there's always a section of the start ups that are only there to milk the system, but the US is good at that, understanding the balance between the money put in and the benefits you get when a success happens, which significantly out-weighs the government investment in funding.
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tabascoboy wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 3:43 pm
Uncle fester wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:09 pm https://www.reddit.com/r/law/s/sAxVqbqsUu

Even advocating for Kilmar Garcia could see people getting charged.
But they expect the UK Government to repeal its own hate speech laws for an FTA...
I can see Starmer doing it, too.
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Hal Jordan wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 4:57 pm
tabascoboy wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 3:43 pm
Uncle fester wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:09 pm https://www.reddit.com/r/law/s/sAxVqbqsUu

Even advocating for Kilmar Garcia could see people getting charged.
But they expect the UK Government to repeal its own hate speech laws for an FTA...
I can see Starmer doing it, too.
Which will lead to a constitutional crisis in the UK as I’m damn sure the Scottish government won’t revoke theirs.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Update. ICE kicked open my daughters hotel room, insinuating that the Welsh flag was an anti Trump symbol..


My granddaughter is representing Wales in the world championship cheerleading competition..

Tbh, my daughter when asked at customs where she was staying replied Florida, and they let her through....
I love watching little children running and screaming, playing hide and seek in the playground.
They don't know I'm using blanks..
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TB63 wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 8:24 pm Update. ICE kicked open my daughters hotel room, insinuating that the Welsh flag was an anti Trump symbol..


My granddaughter is representing Wales in the world championship cheerleading competition..

Tbh, my daughter when asked at customs where she was staying replied Florida, and they let her through....
Is this true? If so, really sorry your daughter had this happen to her. :eek:
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What the flying fuck?..
I love watching little children running and screaming, playing hide and seek in the playground.
They don't know I'm using blanks..
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Sandstorm wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 8:31 pm
TB63 wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 8:24 pm Update. ICE kicked open my daughters hotel room, insinuating that the Welsh flag was an anti Trump symbol..


My granddaughter is representing Wales in the world championship cheerleading competition..

Tbh, my daughter when asked at customs where she was staying replied Florida, and they let her through....
Is this true? If so, really sorry your daughter had this happen to her. :eek:
Nothing happened, they're enjoying themselves before training starts on Monday.,
I love watching little children running and screaming, playing hide and seek in the playground.
They don't know I'm using blanks..
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The leader of one of the opposition parties in Japan was not holding back.

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TB63 wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 8:42 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 8:31 pm
TB63 wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 8:24 pm Update. ICE kicked open my daughters hotel room, insinuating that the Welsh flag was an anti Trump symbol..


My granddaughter is representing Wales in the world championship cheerleading competition..

Tbh, my daughter when asked at customs where she was staying replied Florida, and they let her through....
Is this true? If so, really sorry your daughter had this happen to her. :eek:
Nothing happened, they're enjoying themselves before training starts on Monday.,
You’re a weirdo
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Sandstorm wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:48 pm
TB63 wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 8:42 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 8:31 pm

Is this true? If so, really sorry your daughter had this happen to her. :eek:
Nothing happened, they're enjoying themselves before training starts on Monday.,
You’re a weirdo
Nah, he’s making a point, which I agree with, that there is a lot of hugely over the top reaction and commentary on this thread, a lot of which would be laughed off the board on other threads
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Kiwias wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:45 pm The leader of one of the opposition parties in Japan was not holding back.
Yep. And he's only saying what everybody else is thinking.
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Biffer wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 3:18 pm Instructing the military on deployment not to play pool, cards, video games etc, shows a deep understanding of military action. This will really get them on board

https://bsky.app/profile/whatahellofawa ... z2vqscw224
"Focus on warfighting"
It's almost like they have a clueless clown in charge of the defence forces.
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I thought Donny was the “no more wars” president?
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At least they have confirmed that Kilmar Garcia is still alive.
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2025/0418 ... l-savador/
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And so we've moved on from merely targetting legal migrants to actual non-white US citizens. Young Latino man with a US birth certificate, verified by a judge, still detained by ICE.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/us- ... rcna201800

But everyone in this thread is being over-dramatic of course.
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Ever suspect that their info on who to target comes from some botched surreptitious data mining by Elon’s minions while they were rummaging around various govt entities?
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sockwithaticket wrote: Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:33 am And so we've moved on from merely targetting legal migrants to actual non-white US citizens. Young Latino man with a US birth certificate, verified by a judge, still detained by ICE.
Not to mention targetting immigration lawyers.

It's a concerted campaign, won't be long before the majority of the population is cowed into silence.
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Tourism travel to USA from Europe down c17%, from the UK down c14%, from Canada down over 80%, Universities warning staff not to travel to USA due to fears at Border based on recent examples of academics being detained without due cause, flight numbers from Canada to USA down by c5%, big online businesses like Expedia cancelling contracts with accommodation providers across the US holiday states, hotels etc starting to panic given the work off very low margins, exchange students thinking twice about going to the USA next academic year, etc. My mate is off to Florida in a week and the rental property owner has been in touch to say they now have lots of spare dates and can offer him a great deal if he wants to extend his stay. The USA tourism industry is in a very fast and very big decline and this will hurt the economy.

Trump and his barking mad policies and unwarranted aggression at the borders etc is turning folk off traveling there, including myself. The randomness and the illegality of the actions of Customs & Border Agency, ICE etc is all about creating a sense of fear and its working, mostly to the detriment of the USA economy.

The refusal of the US Gov to obey the Supreme Court ruling to facilitate the return of Garcia from El Salvador is the test case. If Trump and his mob of brownshirts win the US quickly slides into full blown facism, it is almost there already. Project 2025 is still on full steam ahead mode!

I still have a few tin foil hats available ... the US is lost!
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Regarding Kilmar Abrego Garcia
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With the way that Trump and his bimbette press secretary were ramping up talk of deporting US citizens this week, it's clear, if it hadn't been already, that the law and due process now mean nothing if you're an 'undesirable'.

The Trump admin is flagrantly ignoring the Supreme Court's ruling at this point, not to mention the constitution Republicans are so fond of verbally masturbating over.
Guy Smiley wrote: Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:58 am
sockwithaticket wrote: Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:33 am And so we've moved on from merely targetting legal migrants to actual non-white US citizens. Young Latino man with a US birth certificate, verified by a judge, still detained by ICE.
Not to mention targetting immigration lawyers.

It's a concerted campaign, won't be long before the majority of the population is cowed into silence.
Yes I saw a few of those had been caught up in the 'remove yourself form the country' mass communications. A coincidence, I'm sure.

Interestingly there was a Republican senator who openly said this yesterday:
“We are all afraid,” Murkowski told Alaska nonprofit leaders on Wednesday, according to The Anchorage Daily News. “It’s quite a statement. But we are in a time and a place where I certainly have not been here before. And I’ll tell ya, I’m oftentimes very anxious myself about using my voice, because retaliation is real. And that’s not right.”
Obligatory, 'aw, did the leopard eat your face?', but I wonder if it hints at the GOP maybe starting to realise it's time to reign in the monster.
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Sinkers wrote: Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:51 am Ever suspect that their info on who to target comes from some botched surreptitious data mining by Elon’s minions while they were rummaging around various govt entities?
I don't think it's botched at all, I'm sure the DOGE goons did a lot of damage and made a lot of mistakes while attempting their smash and grabs of government data, but those being targetted seems to track precisely with whom Trump doesn't like.

On DOGE, someone's speaking up about their practices at the moment and one of the most sinister things is that a Russian IP address was attempting to log into US government systems using one of the newly created DOGE logins. So at best, DOGE is carelessly insecure at worst they're assisting in espionage.

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/15/nx-s1-53 ... s-security
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sockwithaticket wrote: Fri Apr 18, 2025 9:31 am
Sinkers wrote: Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:51 am Ever suspect that their info on who to target comes from some botched surreptitious data mining by Elon’s minions while they were rummaging around various govt entities?
I don't think it's botched at all, I'm sure the DOGE goons did a lot of damage and made a lot of mistakes while attempting their smash and grabs of government data, but those being targetted seems to track precisely with whom Trump doesn't like.

On DOGE, someone's speaking up about their practices at the moment and one of the most sinister things is that a Russian IP address was attempting to log into US government systems using one of the newly created DOGE logins. So at best, DOGE is carelessly insecure at worst they're assisting in espionage.

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/15/nx-s1-53 ... s-security
At some point, assuming we don't have a complete collapse in democratic institutions in the US which I am not discounting, then there will be some serious charges of treason thrown at the DOGE guys including Musk. There is always a day of reckoning!
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All Murkowski has to do to stop being frightened is to find the courage, with a couple of others from her party, and the problem goes away
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And the Supreme Court blocks the deportations

US Supreme Court halts deportation of Venezuelans under wartime law https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czd3rdjn81lo
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Slick wrote: Sat Apr 19, 2025 7:09 am And the Supreme Court blocks the deportations

US Supreme Court halts deportation of Venezuelans under wartime law https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czd3rdjn81lo
Alito and Thomas dissented, now there's a shock...
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geordie_6 wrote: Sat Apr 19, 2025 7:20 am
Slick wrote: Sat Apr 19, 2025 7:09 am And the Supreme Court blocks the deportations

US Supreme Court halts deportation of Venezuelans under wartime law https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czd3rdjn81lo
Alito and Thomas dissented, now there's a shock...
The Orange Buffoon will not be happy that the three justices he appointed all agreed with the ruling.
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sockwithaticket wrote: Fri Apr 18, 2025 9:24 am Regarding Kilmar Abrego Garcia
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With the way that Trump and his bimbette press secretary were ramping up talk of deporting US citizens this week, it's clear, if it hadn't been already, that the law and due process now mean nothing if you're an 'undesirable'.

The Trump admin is flagrantly ignoring the Supreme Court's ruling at this point, not to mention the constitution Republicans are so fond of verbally masturbating over.
I think this is actually a crucial case to watch. Essentially, Trump and his admin are trying to defy the Court and they are seeking to generate enough popular support to carry that.

That is a direct challenge to the Constitution, through the Division of Powers. This is then, a direct attack on what the US views as its Democracy, and if he succeeds he more or less confirms his Dictatorship.
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geordie_6 wrote: Sat Apr 19, 2025 7:20 am
Slick wrote: Sat Apr 19, 2025 7:09 am And the Supreme Court blocks the deportations

US Supreme Court halts deportation of Venezuelans under wartime law https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czd3rdjn81lo
Alito and Thomas dissented, now there's a shock...
I wonder how they'd vote if they knew it was in the balance and their ruling would ensure they were no longer a co-equal branch of government. This time they were able to dodge the bullet because even some of their brethren/sistren were clearly going to vote against Tango Turd
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Thomas will do as he is told, he is bought and paid for.
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And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Behold the "revamped" US government page on COVID.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/lab-leak-tru ... -covid-19/
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Fucking hell.

The NASA page will have flat earth as a legitimate theory before long.
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Biffer wrote: Sat Apr 19, 2025 10:51 am Fucking hell.

The NASA page will have flat earth as a legitimate theory before long.
That'll be in the queue just after the 'Vaccines are bad and cause autism' page and just before 'Donald Trump is 190lbs' and Trump - Champion Golfer 2025' pages!
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And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Uncle fester wrote: Sat Apr 19, 2025 10:46 am Behold the "revamped" US government page on COVID.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/lab-leak-tru ... -covid-19/
How do they have time to micro manage shite like this, it’s insane
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Pentagon turmoil deepens: Top Hegseth aide leaves post

“There is a complete meltdown in the building,” one official said.

Joe Kasper, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth’s chief of staff will leave his role in the coming days for a new position at the agency, according to a senior administration official, amid a week of turmoil for the Pentagon.

Senior adviser Dan Caldwell, Hegseth deputy chief of staff Darin Selnick and Colin Carroll, the chief of staff to Deputy Defense Secretary Stephen Feinberg, were placed on leave this week in an ongoing leak probe. All three were terminated on Friday, according to three people familiar with the matter, who, like others, were granted anonymity to discuss a sensitive issue.

The latest incidents add to the Pentagon’s broader upheaval in recent months, including fallout from Hegseth’s release of sensitive information in a Signal chat with other national security leaders and a controversial department visit by Elon Musk.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/1 ... e-00299508
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tabascoboy wrote: Sat Apr 19, 2025 4:35 pm
Pentagon turmoil deepens: Top Hegseth aide leaves post

“There is a complete meltdown in the building,” one official said.

Joe Kasper, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth’s chief of staff will leave his role in the coming days for a new position at the agency, according to a senior administration official, amid a week of turmoil for the Pentagon.

Senior adviser Dan Caldwell, Hegseth deputy chief of staff Darin Selnick and Colin Carroll, the chief of staff to Deputy Defense Secretary Stephen Feinberg, were placed on leave this week in an ongoing leak probe. All three were terminated on Friday, according to three people familiar with the matter, who, like others, were granted anonymity to discuss a sensitive issue.

The latest incidents add to the Pentagon’s broader upheaval in recent months, including fallout from Hegseth’s release of sensitive information in a Signal chat with other national security leaders and a controversial department visit by Elon Musk.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/1 ... e-00299508
and this is after one of his party got arrested by the Belgian plod for kicking off when he was told the bar was closed in their hotel ........

Putin must be shitting himself laughing at this fucking clown show :mad:
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The Pope snubbing Vance because of what he is doing to immigrants is pretty sweet. Apparently multiple attempts were made to make him change his mind
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