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A car recently presented for its NCT failed after mechanics discovered it had been partly repaired with gaffer tape and a stick.

Preparing for an NCT can certainly be a bit of a headache, as any small defect could cause a car to fail. This is followed by a trip to the mechanic, which can leave motorists a few hundred quid out of pocket and praying they won't be sent back for another retest.

As a result, many people have tried to fool NCT testers, and there have been a few pretty clever attempts over the years. This isn't one of them.

Once the car was lifted to inspect the undercarriage, the botched repair job became immediately obvious. A section of the car's anti-roll bar had been replaced with a finger-thin stick secured at each end by loose bundles of tape. The NCT have declined to say which centre dealt with this imaginative repair, but it was in a centre in the south of Ireland.
https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/ ... r-31653421
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Maybe this deserves its own thread... Wayne Smith on recovery. Quite insightful, referring to what they worked on in his time as coach of the ABs and its pertinence to work and life.

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See this is an illustration of how even the bright shiny new Sinn Fein, who no longer contain too many convicted murderers as active Politicians, are still completely captured by their bullshit dogma !
The Guardian wrote: Nearly nine centuries after the Normans clanked ashore with swords and armour, Ireland is still wrestling with the question: what did they ever do for us?

A decision by the government this week to join a European cultural initiative called 2027 European year of the Normans has reopened a debate that goes to the core of Irish identity.

On the one hand, say historians, they built castles and cathedrals and enriched culture and literature; on the other, they dispossessed the native Gaels and paved the way to invasion and occupation.

Sinn Féin, the main opposition party, said the commemoration was offensive because it would honour William the Conqueror, England’s first Norman king, and the subjugation inflicted by his successors.

“What will they think of next: a festival of Cromwell? A Famine Queen jubilee?” said the party’s culture spokesperson, Aengus Ó Snodaigh, referencing Oliver Cromwell’s bloody 17th-century conquests and Queen Victoria’s reign during the 1840s famine.

“We Irish know well enough the legacy of William’s successors invading and subjugating Ireland in the name of his English crown, with Strongbow ushering in the 900 years of occupation, with the north still under the descendants of William the Conqueror’s crown.”

Strongbow was the nickname of Richard de Clare, the second Earl of Pembroke, who landed with an Anglo-Norman military force in 1170 and unleashed historical forces that in the 20th century partitioned the island and left Northern Ireland in the UK.

However, the Normans also intermarried with Gaels, bequeathed family names such as Burke, Griffith, FitzGerald, Lynch and Walsh, and became, in a celebrated phrase, “more Irish than the Irish themselves”.

The heritage minister, James Browne, who on Tuesday obtained cabinet approval for participation in the trans-European initiative, said Sinn Féin was missing the point. Ireland’s lands, laws, monuments and built environment bore Norman heritage, and participation in the initiative would recognise that history while boosting tourism, he said.

“The year of the Normans is being led by our neighbours in Normandy, France, and it is an important and essential collaboration and commemoration – any distortion of this work is really disappointing and careless,” said Browne – a Norman name. “So let’s ask: is Sinn Féin’s position that they will boycott all events related to the year of the Normans?”

In addition to Ireland, the Normandy regional council has invited Britain, southern Italy, Norway and other countries and regions with Norman heritage to take part in the commemoration, which coincides with the millennium anniversary of William the Conqueror’s birth.

Ó Snodaigh said: “Marking the birth of a future English king is not for us, even if it was 1,000 years ago. Rather, we should always be remembering those great figures of Ireland’s past who actually lived here and contributed positively to our island story.”

The row has prompted comparisons to the scene in Monty Python’s Life of Brian when Judeans debate the benefits of Roman occupation.

Jane Ohlmeyer, a Trinity College Dublin historian who specialises in early modern Irish and British history, said the Norman invasion profoundly shaped the history of Ireland, especially in the south-east.

“Like it or not, the past is no longer in the past, it is in the present. It is critical that we use opportunities like this one to better understand the nature of the conquest and to reflect on its legacies,” she said.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... h-identity

So are Sinn Fein saying that their beef is actually with the French ?, because everyone but them seems to grasp that thats where, "The Normans" came from !

And aren't they just conveniently forgetting the hundreds & thousands of people with Norman surnames who supported Irish Independence over the centuries ?

They aren't fit to run a sweet shop let alone a Country.
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fishfoodie wrote: Wed May 21, 2025 6:51 pm See this is an illustration of how even the bright shiny new Sinn Fein, who no longer contain too many convicted murderers as active Politicians, are still completely captured by their bullshit dogma !
The Guardian wrote: Nearly nine centuries after the Normans clanked ashore with swords and armour, Ireland is still wrestling with the question: what did they ever do for us?

A decision by the government this week to join a European cultural initiative called 2027 European year of the Normans has reopened a debate that goes to the core of Irish identity.

On the one hand, say historians, they built castles and cathedrals and enriched culture and literature; on the other, they dispossessed the native Gaels and paved the way to invasion and occupation.

Sinn Féin, the main opposition party, said the commemoration was offensive because it would honour William the Conqueror, England’s first Norman king, and the subjugation inflicted by his successors.

“What will they think of next: a festival of Cromwell? A Famine Queen jubilee?” said the party’s culture spokesperson, Aengus Ó Snodaigh, referencing Oliver Cromwell’s bloody 17th-century conquests and Queen Victoria’s reign during the 1840s famine.

“We Irish know well enough the legacy of William’s successors invading and subjugating Ireland in the name of his English crown, with Strongbow ushering in the 900 years of occupation, with the north still under the descendants of William the Conqueror’s crown.”

Strongbow was the nickname of Richard de Clare, the second Earl of Pembroke, who landed with an Anglo-Norman military force in 1170 and unleashed historical forces that in the 20th century partitioned the island and left Northern Ireland in the UK.

However, the Normans also intermarried with Gaels, bequeathed family names such as Burke, Griffith, FitzGerald, Lynch and Walsh, and became, in a celebrated phrase, “more Irish than the Irish themselves”.

The heritage minister, James Browne, who on Tuesday obtained cabinet approval for participation in the trans-European initiative, said Sinn Féin was missing the point. Ireland’s lands, laws, monuments and built environment bore Norman heritage, and participation in the initiative would recognise that history while boosting tourism, he said.

“The year of the Normans is being led by our neighbours in Normandy, France, and it is an important and essential collaboration and commemoration – any distortion of this work is really disappointing and careless,” said Browne – a Norman name. “So let’s ask: is Sinn Féin’s position that they will boycott all events related to the year of the Normans?”

In addition to Ireland, the Normandy regional council has invited Britain, southern Italy, Norway and other countries and regions with Norman heritage to take part in the commemoration, which coincides with the millennium anniversary of William the Conqueror’s birth.

Ó Snodaigh said: “Marking the birth of a future English king is not for us, even if it was 1,000 years ago. Rather, we should always be remembering those great figures of Ireland’s past who actually lived here and contributed positively to our island story.”

The row has prompted comparisons to the scene in Monty Python’s Life of Brian when Judeans debate the benefits of Roman occupation.

Jane Ohlmeyer, a Trinity College Dublin historian who specialises in early modern Irish and British history, said the Norman invasion profoundly shaped the history of Ireland, especially in the south-east.

“Like it or not, the past is no longer in the past, it is in the present. It is critical that we use opportunities like this one to better understand the nature of the conquest and to reflect on its legacies,” she said.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... h-identity

So are Sinn Fein saying that their beef is actually with the French ?, because everyone but them seems to grasp that thats where, "The Normans" came from !

And aren't they just conveniently forgetting the hundreds & thousands of people with Norman surnames who supported Irish Independence over the centuries ?

They aren't fit to run a sweet shop let alone a Country.
Had a fun time explaining to Israeli colleagues that this island has assimilated everybody bar the Ulster planters. They were essentially asking where the Normans lived today thinking that they have lived in walled compounds separate from the rest of Ireland for the last millennia.

Those colleagues then identified with the nationalists up north and while I was trying to process that mental leap the phone rang so I was able to make a quick getaway.

The Normans are fücking awesome and anyone who thinks different is a knob.
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Uncle fester wrote: Wed May 21, 2025 10:10 pm

The Normans are fücking awesome and anyone who thinks different is a knob.

Normans are Vikings - North Men, so are awesome by definition (I know that is only part of the Norman story)

Anyway, my youngest daughter was really into history at school. We went over to Battle Abbey a few times and also the surrounding coastline and castles where William landed. Standing just outside Battle Abbey and looking down over Senlac - which some translate as lake of blood - where the battle took place, you do think of how the history of these islands was changed forever in that place.

What's more important however was that the first time we went over to Battle Abbey, oh fifteen years or more ago, we stopped at a petrol station on the way to get sandwiches and drinks - the cost came to £10.66
I kid you not.
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Blackmac wrote: Sun May 11, 2025 11:07 am
Guy Smiley wrote: Sat May 10, 2025 7:46 pm
Blackmac wrote: Sat May 10, 2025 7:14 am My daughter and son in law leased a Ford Explorer EV three months ago. Mainly because he has a 90 mile round trip to his work. They only had it few weeks when lots of fault lights came up on the dashboard. Cue a trip to the Ford dealer in Edinburgh who stated that there is a software problem which is affecting the vast majority of these cars. They are now approaching 8 weeks without the vehicle as it would appear whilst Ford are quite happy to flog these cars they aren't so keen in training up enough technicians to cope and the few that they do have are travelling the country trying to sort all the bricks lying in their rear courtyards. Just another fly in the ointment of electric vehicles.
They bought a Ford. That's your fly in the ointment.

https://www.wired.com/story/ford-electr ... est-drive/

Meanwhile, I've just passed 60000km in my Chinese EV and haven't had an issue.

Leased, thank god. Yeah I tried to steer them to the BYD or Omeda route but they liked the look of the Ford.
Well the repaired Ford lasted a full 2 days before the same faults appeared and it is now back in the garage, possibly for at least 4 weeks. Ford refusing to write the deal off despite the car being more in the garage than on the road for the first 4 months. Not sure what rights they have.
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Blackmac wrote: Thu May 22, 2025 7:30 am
Blackmac wrote: Sun May 11, 2025 11:07 am
Guy Smiley wrote: Sat May 10, 2025 7:46 pm

They bought a Ford. That's your fly in the ointment.

https://www.wired.com/story/ford-electr ... est-drive/

Meanwhile, I've just passed 60000km in my Chinese EV and haven't had an issue.

Leased, thank god. Yeah I tried to steer them to the BYD or Omeda route but they liked the look of the Ford.
Well the repaired Ford lasted a full 2 days before the same faults appeared and it is now back in the garage, possibly for at least 4 weeks. Ford refusing to write the deal off despite the car being more in the garage than on the road for the first 4 months. Not sure what rights they have.
If you get out of it try a Leapmotor C10, 3 months in and it's a fantastic car.
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Tichtheid wrote: Wed May 21, 2025 11:00 pm
Uncle fester wrote: Wed May 21, 2025 10:10 pm

The Normans are fücking awesome and anyone who thinks different is a knob.

Normans are Vikings - North Men, so are awesome by definition (I know that is only part of the Norman story)

Anyway, my youngest daughter was really into history at school. We went over to Battle Abbey a few times and also the surrounding coastline and castles where William landed. Standing just outside Battle Abbey and looking down over Senlac - which some translate as lake of blood - where the battle took place, you do think of how the history of these islands was changed forever in that place.

What's more important however was that the first time we went over to Battle Abbey, oh fifteen years or more ago, we stopped at a petrol station on the way to get sandwiches and drinks - the cost came to £10.66
I kid you not.
And what if Stamford Bridge hadden't taken place a couple of week before - could have been a very different result at Hastings.
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PornDog wrote: Thu May 22, 2025 9:23 am
Tichtheid wrote: Wed May 21, 2025 11:00 pm
Uncle fester wrote: Wed May 21, 2025 10:10 pm

The Normans are fücking awesome and anyone who thinks different is a knob.

Normans are Vikings - North Men, so are awesome by definition (I know that is only part of the Norman story)

Anyway, my youngest daughter was really into history at school. We went over to Battle Abbey a few times and also the surrounding coastline and castles where William landed. Standing just outside Battle Abbey and looking down over Senlac - which some translate as lake of blood - where the battle took place, you do think of how the history of these islands was changed forever in that place.

What's more important however was that the first time we went over to Battle Abbey, oh fifteen years or more ago, we stopped at a petrol station on the way to get sandwiches and drinks - the cost came to £10.66
I kid you not.
And what if Stamford Bridge hadden't taken place a couple of week before - could have been a very different result at Hastings.
In a way, that's one of the most fascinating things about the Normans. They were the grasping social climbing upstarts of European aristocracy who played fast and loose and took every opportunity they saw, even if some of them didn't work out, such as Bohemond of Antioch and his line.
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Uncle fester wrote: Thu May 22, 2025 1:51 pm
PornDog wrote: Thu May 22, 2025 9:23 am
Tichtheid wrote: Wed May 21, 2025 11:00 pm


Normans are Vikings - North Men, so are awesome by definition (I know that is only part of the Norman story)

Anyway, my youngest daughter was really into history at school. We went over to Battle Abbey a few times and also the surrounding coastline and castles where William landed. Standing just outside Battle Abbey and looking down over Senlac - which some translate as lake of blood - where the battle took place, you do think of how the history of these islands was changed forever in that place.

What's more important however was that the first time we went over to Battle Abbey, oh fifteen years or more ago, we stopped at a petrol station on the way to get sandwiches and drinks - the cost came to £10.66
I kid you not.
And what if Stamford Bridge hadden't taken place a couple of week before - could have been a very different result at Hastings.
In a way, that's one of the most fascinating things about the Normans. They were the grasping social climbing upstarts of European aristocracy who played fast and loose and took every opportunity they saw, even if some of them didn't work out, such as Bohemond of Antioch and his line.
Do you think William deliberately delayed his landing until Harald Hardrada had had his go? I wouldn't have thought so. He would have been aware of Hardrada's claim, and that he intended to act on it, but I don't think they would have had that sort of up to date* intelligence available.

* for the time. Three weeks is an age now, but then, I doubt it.
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PornDog wrote: Thu May 22, 2025 8:04 pm
Uncle fester wrote: Thu May 22, 2025 1:51 pm
PornDog wrote: Thu May 22, 2025 9:23 am

And what if Stamford Bridge hadden't taken place a couple of week before - could have been a very different result at Hastings.
In a way, that's one of the most fascinating things about the Normans. They were the grasping social climbing upstarts of European aristocracy who played fast and loose and took every opportunity they saw, even if some of them didn't work out, such as Bohemond of Antioch and his line.
Do you think William deliberately delayed his landing until Harald Hardrada had had his go? I wouldn't have thought so. He would have been aware of Hardrada's claim, and that he intended to act on it, but I don't think they would have had that sort of up to date* intelligence available.

* for the time. Three weeks is an age now, but then, I doubt it.
In that day and age? Nah.
Stroke of luck for him but he was typical of the all or nothing ethos of the Normans. One difference though, if William had lost, he'd probably have been ransomed back. No such chivalry for the Normans when they win. They were playing for keeps.
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Would have been good for the Kim Jong-un watching things if we had a vid
Kim Jong-un furious as North Korea warship partly ‘crushed’ in launch gone wrong
South Korea said the destroyer was lying sideways in the water after ceremony to launch the new 5,000-tonne ship

A ceremony to welcome a new addition to North Korea’s naval fleet has ended in embarrassment following a major accident during the ship’s launch that the country’s dictator, Kim Jong-un, described as a “criminal act”.

Kim was present when the 5,000-tonne destroyer appeared to go off balance during its launch in the eastern port city of Chongjin on Wednesday. The tipping caused damage to sections of the hull, the state-run KCNA news agency said on Thursday.

“Kim Jong-un made [a] stern assessment, saying that it was a serious accident and criminal act caused by absolute carelessness, irresponsibility … and could not be tolerated,” KCNA reported.

Kim ordered the ship restored before a key meeting of the ruling Workers’ party next month, KCNA added. The accident had “brought the dignity and self-respect of our state to a collapse”.

Blaming “inexperienced command and operational carelessness” during the launch, the news agency said the incident left “some sections of the warship’s bottom crushed”. Officials found responsible for the debacle would be “dealt with at the plenary meeting of the party central committee” in June, Kim said.

South Korea’s military said the vessel was lying on its side in the water.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... r-accident
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tabascoboy wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 6:34 am Would have been good for the Kim Jong-un watching things if we had a vid
Kim Jong-un furious as North Korea warship partly ‘crushed’ in launch gone wrong
South Korea said the destroyer was lying sideways in the water after ceremony to launch the new 5,000-tonne ship

A ceremony to welcome a new addition to North Korea’s naval fleet has ended in embarrassment following a major accident during the ship’s launch that the country’s dictator, Kim Jong-un, described as a “criminal act”.

Kim was present when the 5,000-tonne destroyer appeared to go off balance during its launch in the eastern port city of Chongjin on Wednesday. The tipping caused damage to sections of the hull, the state-run KCNA news agency said on Thursday.

“Kim Jong-un made [a] stern assessment, saying that it was a serious accident and criminal act caused by absolute carelessness, irresponsibility … and could not be tolerated,” KCNA reported.

Kim ordered the ship restored before a key meeting of the ruling Workers’ party next month, KCNA added. The accident had “brought the dignity and self-respect of our state to a collapse”.

Blaming “inexperienced command and operational carelessness” during the launch, the news agency said the incident left “some sections of the warship’s bottom crushed”. Officials found responsible for the debacle would be “dealt with at the plenary meeting of the party central committee” in June, Kim said.

South Korea’s military said the vessel was lying on its side in the water.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... r-accident
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Why the fuck is the BBC pissing away money with live coverage of the fucking cheese rolling in Gloucestershire.

They couldn't even be bothered showing the fucking Melrose sevens.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Biffer wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 11:26 am Why the fuck is the BBC pissing away money with live coverage of the fucking cheese rolling in Gloucestershire.

They couldn't even be bothered showing the fucking Melrose sevens.
Older cultural event!
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Uncle fester wrote: Thu May 22, 2025 10:01 pm
PornDog wrote: Thu May 22, 2025 8:04 pm
Uncle fester wrote: Thu May 22, 2025 1:51 pm

In a way, that's one of the most fascinating things about the Normans. They were the grasping social climbing upstarts of European aristocracy who played fast and loose and took every opportunity they saw, even if some of them didn't work out, such as Bohemond of Antioch and his line.
Do you think William deliberately delayed his landing until Harald Hardrada had had his go? I wouldn't have thought so. He would have been aware of Hardrada's claim, and that he intended to act on it, but I don't think they would have had that sort of up to date* intelligence available.

* for the time. Three weeks is an age now, but then, I doubt it.
In that day and age? Nah.
Stroke of luck for him but he was typical of the all or nothing ethos of the Normans. One difference though, if William had lost, he'd probably have been ransomed back. No such chivalry for the Normans when they win. They were playing for keeps.
Saxons had that battle won, they had the high ground and the Normans in full retreat until ill discipline made the Saxon infantry charge down the hill after them allowing the Norman heavy cavalry to decimate them.
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Always on the hunt for something different to listen to at work, I stumbled upon Lux Radio Theatre. Old timey radio plays of contemporary movies ... I think I found these because the BBC kind of still does things like this, more plays and books (rights would probably cost a bundle to do a movie!). But I quickly discovered something else that almost never happens today... for the most part, the lead actors in the radio performance are the leads from the movie!

In this season, Humphrey Bogart is in "Treasure of the Sierra Madre" and Cary Grant is in "Bachelor and the Bobby Soxer." John Wayne, Joanne Dru, Walter Brennan all in "Red River". Wiki says the stars got $5000 for the performance, which I think in the late 40s and early 50s could easily get you a new swanky car (base price for a 1953 Corvette was $3500.)

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Niegs wrote: Thu May 29, 2025 1:17 am Always on the hunt for something different to listen to at work, I stumbled upon Lux Radio Theatre. Old timey radio plays of contemporary movies ... I think I found these because the BBC kind of still does things like this, more plays and books (rights would probably cost a bundle to do a movie!). But I quickly discovered something else that almost never happens today... for the most part, the lead actors in the radio performance are the leads from the movie!

In this season, Humphrey Bogart is in "Treasure of the Sierra Madre" and Cary Grant is in "Bachelor and the Bobby Soxer." John Wayne, Joanne Dru, Walter Brennan all in "Red River". Wiki says the stars got $5000 for the performance, which I think in the late 40s and early 50s could easily get you a new swanky car (base price for a 1953 Corvette was $3500.)

That's a nice little earner
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I’d just like to offer a special shoutout to the fuckwit who runs to my train station in the morning, arrives dripping with sweat and then proceeds to drench whatever seat he happens to be sitting in. Does my head in. Only slightly less than the omni-present dickwad watching instagram reels on speaker phone.
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I assume this is all the usual performative theater & this scumbag is going to spend the rest of his life in a High security gaol, or a padded cell ?
A father-of-three and former Royal Marine has been charged following the Liverpool parade crash in which 79 people were injured.

Paul Doyle, 53, from Burghill Road in West Derby, was arrested on Monday, when a car ploughed into fans attending Liverpool's Premier League victory celebration, Merseyside Police confirmed.

A nine-year-old was among those injured when the car Mr Doyle is alleged to have been driving crashed into supporters at 18:00 BST on Water Street.

The local businessman faces multiple counts of causing, and attempting to cause unlawful and malicious grievous bodily harm with intent as well as one of dangerous driving and two counts of unlawful and malicious wounding with intent.

Assistant Chief Constable Jenny Sims, of Merseyside Police, told a news conference seven people remain in hospital after the incident.

Mr Doyle is set to appear at Liverpool Magistrates' Court on Friday.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crk2l00p3r2o
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fishfoodie wrote: Thu May 29, 2025 10:10 pm I assume this is all the usual performative theater & this scumbag is going to spend the rest of his life in a High security gaol, or a padded cell ?
A father-of-three and former Royal Marine has been charged following the Liverpool parade crash in which 79 people were injured.

Paul Doyle, 53, from Burghill Road in West Derby, was arrested on Monday, when a car ploughed into fans attending Liverpool's Premier League victory celebration, Merseyside Police confirmed.

A nine-year-old was among those injured when the car Mr Doyle is alleged to have been driving crashed into supporters at 18:00 BST on Water Street.

The local businessman faces multiple counts of causing, and attempting to cause unlawful and malicious grievous bodily harm with intent as well as one of dangerous driving and two counts of unlawful and malicious wounding with intent.

Assistant Chief Constable Jenny Sims, of Merseyside Police, told a news conference seven people remain in hospital after the incident.

Mr Doyle is set to appear at Liverpool Magistrates' Court on Friday.
...
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crk2l00p3r2o
It's a odd one. The media can't seem to find anyone who has a bad word to say about the guy.
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Slick wrote: Fri May 30, 2025 8:19 am
fishfoodie wrote: Thu May 29, 2025 10:10 pm I assume this is all the usual performative theater & this scumbag is going to spend the rest of his life in a High security gaol, or a padded cell ?
A father-of-three and former Royal Marine has been charged following the Liverpool parade crash in which 79 people were injured.

Paul Doyle, 53, from Burghill Road in West Derby, was arrested on Monday, when a car ploughed into fans attending Liverpool's Premier League victory celebration, Merseyside Police confirmed.

A nine-year-old was among those injured when the car Mr Doyle is alleged to have been driving crashed into supporters at 18:00 BST on Water Street.

The local businessman faces multiple counts of causing, and attempting to cause unlawful and malicious grievous bodily harm with intent as well as one of dangerous driving and two counts of unlawful and malicious wounding with intent.

Assistant Chief Constable Jenny Sims, of Merseyside Police, told a news conference seven people remain in hospital after the incident.

Mr Doyle is set to appear at Liverpool Magistrates' Court on Friday.
...
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crk2l00p3r2o
It's a odd one. The media can't seem to find anyone who has a bad word to say about the guy.
Very!
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Well, the bastard had the audacity to be a white man.
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:shock: :thumbdown:

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I started watching the older ones ... then ... "How was the 80s WORSE?!" :lol:

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For those interested - you can sign up to TNT sports to watch the Champions league final for free tonight

It's 21 minutes in as I write this
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