Elon Musk bought Twitter.

[shaggy]

Probably the only decent reason for owning a Tesla is the Supercharger network. Always empty bays when the other networks have a queue of expensive Mercs and Porsche waiting for the few high speed chargers. Must hurt when you have spent 100k on a car and you are waiting behind a 10 year old Nissan Leaf.

Which was the one part of the company with a stead growth, & run by an excellent Manager; who SK sacked when she refused to just fire 10% of her team, when SK demanded she did.

Now the Tango Traitor has cut all the subsidies for charger installations Tesla have cancelled loads of planned new chargers, so combined with the various power storage products being totally dependent on Chinese batteries, this one bring light on the balance sheet is about to get snuffed out !

The Q1 earnings call tomorrow will be wall to wall bluster & bullshit for non-existent products, & imaginary causes for the shit state of the company.

All of which is irrelevant when you know you have a far higher probability of a hassle free charge, which is the single biggest annoyance of owning an EV.

[Guy Smiley]

I doubt that. The majority of EVs sold so far would probably be Teslas although that percentage will shift rapidly now... so there's probably more demand for the Supercharger network numbers wise.

Have you driven an EV Shaggy? Do you own one or report from a long term use base, or are you commenting based on anecdotes or feel?

[shaggy]

I doubt that. The majority of EVs sold so far would probably be Teslas although that percentage will shift rapidly now... so there's probably more demand for the Supercharger network numbers wise.

Have you driven an EV Shaggy? Do you own one or report from a long term use base, or are you commenting based on anecdotes or feel?

On my third in 7 years.

[shaggy]

Following up on the above I would say in the last 12 months my use of supercharge network, which is weekly, I would say typically no more than a dozen Tesla for 20+ non-Tesla. There has been a massive influx of Tesla in the last 12 months, especially in London due to ULEZ, but they are still lower in overall number at service station charge areas.

[Guy Smiley]

We're running slightly off topic but meh, worthy chat...

is the public charging network in the UK growing at a decent rate? Our rollout has slowed a bit due to a change in govt and a relatively hostile attitude to EVs generally. (We have coalition partners echoing MAGA themes and using the word 'woke' at every opportunity).

[shaggy]

We're running slightly off topic but meh, worthy chat...

is the public charging network in the UK growing at a decent rate? Our rollout has slowed a bit due to a change in govt and a relatively hostile attitude to EVs generally. (We have coalition partners echoing MAGA themes and using the word 'woke' at every opportunity).

I would say it is patchy, but it could vary nationally. Motorway service stations in southern England are still growing, as are smaller players in car parks, etc, but I am not sure the growth is meeting demand, hence my comment on queues at non-Tesla supercharge suppliers and not at Tesla.

[Hal Jordan]

75,000 as of March.

https://www.zap-map.com/news/uk-hits-75 ... -117189445

YMMV on reliability and accessibility.

[shaggy]

75,000 as of March.

https://www.zap-map.com/news/uk-hits-75 ... -117189445

YMMV on reliability and accessibility.

We have a massive amount of on street chargers (from lampposts) but they are seldom used. I would say the gap is in fast chargers still.

[Guy Smiley]

Ask your AI platform to roast Elon Musk…

[Uncle fester]

Ask your AI platform to roast Elon Musk…

Maybe AI does have a future after all.

[robmatic]

Free speech defender Elon Musk's Twitter platform has now blocked the account of Erdoğan's main political rival in Turkey. Spineless prick.

[Guy Smiley]

[fishfoodie]

Assembly line workers on Model-Y & cyberurinal told to take the week off, & others being disciplined for logging OT, & reports of massive overstocking of the cyberurinals, so what does Tesla stock do ? .... yep it went up, because it's investors are morons !

I can't wait to see the ecstatic reaction to a dozen heavily modded Y's, on a geo-fenced circuit, with remote drivers to stop FSD killing the occupants, rolling around Austin pretending to be taxis.

[Uncle fester]

Grok had gone a bit cray cray it seems.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/ ... rcna206838

Strange that it's a topic of much interest to the owner of xitter.

[Hal Jordan]

This probably goes here.

Tesla sold a brand-new 2024 Cybertruck AWD Foundation Series for $100,000. Now, with only 6,000 miles on the odometer, Tesla is offering $65,400 for it – 34.6% depreciation in just a year.

Pickup trucks generally lose about 20% of their value after a year and 34% after about 3-4 years.

It’s also wroth nothing that Tesla’s online “trade-in estimates” are often higher than the final offer as noted in the footnote o fhte screenshot above.

https://electrek.co/2025/05/18/tesla-st ... reciation/

[fishfoodie]

Elon Musk said Tesla's robotaxis will be limited to certain parts of Austin and avoid intersections the company deems unsafe after the CEO was asked on TV about Business Insider's reporting on a critical error made by Tesla's Full Self-Driving Supervised software.

In a May 17 story, two BI reporters took rides in a Waymo and a 2024 Tesla Model 3 equipped with the latest FSD software to compare both companies' autonomous driving technologies. Toward the end of the test, Tesla's FSD ran a red light at a complex intersection in San Francisco.
...

In the CNBC interview, Musk didn't address specific details in BI's reporting. However, he said Tesla's robotaxis will be geo-fenced to certain parts of Austin.

Alphabet's Waymo also uses geo-fencing to limit its autonomous cars to certain parts of a given city, including, for the moment, highways.

"When we deploy the cars in Austin, we are actually going to deploy it not to the entire Austin region but only to the parts of Austin we consider to be the safest," Musk said on CNBC. "So we will geo-fence it."

He added: "It's not going to take intersections unless we are highly confident it's going to do well with that intersection. Or it will just take a route around that intersection."

....

https://archive.ph/796ie



Imagine getting into a Taxi & discovering once you get in & tell the driver the destination, that they only know how to do right hand turns, & can't deal with four-way stop signs, or drive on the Highway, so your journey will take you miles out of your way, & will take much longer than you expected ??

It's no wonder they're only going to run a dozen cars, with teleoperators & only hand picked riders.

[Hal Jordan]

Average dodgy late night "minicab" experience, I'd say.

[Uncle fester]

Elon Musk said Tesla's robotaxis will be limited to certain parts of Austin and avoid intersections the company deems unsafe after the CEO was asked on TV about Business Insider's reporting on a critical error made by Tesla's Full Self-Driving Supervised software.

In a May 17 story, two BI reporters took rides in a Waymo and a 2024 Tesla Model 3 equipped with the latest FSD software to compare both companies' autonomous driving technologies. Toward the end of the test, Tesla's FSD ran a red light at a complex intersection in San Francisco.
...

In the CNBC interview, Musk didn't address specific details in BI's reporting. However, he said Tesla's robotaxis will be geo-fenced to certain parts of Austin.

Alphabet's Waymo also uses geo-fencing to limit its autonomous cars to certain parts of a given city, including, for the moment, highways.

"When we deploy the cars in Austin, we are actually going to deploy it not to the entire Austin region but only to the parts of Austin we consider to be the safest," Musk said on CNBC. "So we will geo-fence it."

He added: "It's not going to take intersections unless we are highly confident it's going to do well with that intersection. Or it will just take a route around that intersection."

....

https://archive.ph/796ie



Imagine getting into a Taxi & discovering once you get in & tell the driver the destination, that they only know how to do right hand turns, & can't deal with four-way stop signs, or drive on the Highway, so your journey will take you miles out of your way, & will take much longer than you expected ??

It's no wonder they're only going to run a dozen cars, with teleoperators & only hand picked riders.

We missed a trick a long time ago not going for a mini rail type system. No more hassle with traffic lights, etc.

[fishfoodie]

Elon Musk said Tesla's robotaxis will be limited to certain parts of Austin and avoid intersections the company deems unsafe after the CEO was asked on TV about Business Insider's reporting on a critical error made by Tesla's Full Self-Driving Supervised software.

In a May 17 story, two BI reporters took rides in a Waymo and a 2024 Tesla Model 3 equipped with the latest FSD software to compare both companies' autonomous driving technologies. Toward the end of the test, Tesla's FSD ran a red light at a complex intersection in San Francisco.
...

In the CNBC interview, Musk didn't address specific details in BI's reporting. However, he said Tesla's robotaxis will be geo-fenced to certain parts of Austin.

Alphabet's Waymo also uses geo-fencing to limit its autonomous cars to certain parts of a given city, including, for the moment, highways.

"When we deploy the cars in Austin, we are actually going to deploy it not to the entire Austin region but only to the parts of Austin we consider to be the safest," Musk said on CNBC. "So we will geo-fence it."

He added: "It's not going to take intersections unless we are highly confident it's going to do well with that intersection. Or it will just take a route around that intersection."

....

https://archive.ph/796ie



Imagine getting into a Taxi & discovering once you get in & tell the driver the destination, that they only know how to do right hand turns, & can't deal with four-way stop signs, or drive on the Highway, so your journey will take you miles out of your way, & will take much longer than you expected ??

It's no wonder they're only going to run a dozen cars, with teleoperators & only hand picked riders.

We missed a trick a long time ago not going for a mini rail type system. No more hassle with traffic lights, etc.

Well not, "Us" exactly, but a couple of decades ago I thought that the best plan for automotive automation was for the US to lay an automation 3rd rail at the center of the existing "Car Pool" lanes, so that any compatible car could ride in that lane in automated mode.

My idea was that if you had a lane that could detect the position of every car in it, then you could run cars nose to tail, & send signals to them to have them run faster than the manual lanes, so everyone would look at them moving 2/3x faster than they were, because they were running safely with 50cm separation. It would be like railway cars running in a train, but would actually be individual cars running in an automated mode, controlled by the road, not the car, so this would allow that centrally controlling road to make the decision to drop the lanes speed down by 10% based on conditions, not the asshole in the car, or the nazi in the car manufacturer

[Uncle fester]

https://archive.ph/796ie



Imagine getting into a Taxi & discovering once you get in & tell the driver the destination, that they only know how to do right hand turns, & can't deal with four-way stop signs, or drive on the Highway, so your journey will take you miles out of your way, & will take much longer than you expected ??

It's no wonder they're only going to run a dozen cars, with teleoperators & only hand picked riders.

We missed a trick a long time ago not going for a mini rail type system. No more hassle with traffic lights, etc.

Well not, "Us" exactly, but a couple of decades ago I thought that the best plan for automotive automation was for the US to lay an automation 3rd rail at the center of the existing "Car Pool" lanes, so that any compatible car could ride in that lane in automated mode.

My idea was that if you had a lane that could detect the position of every car in it, then you could run cars nose to tail, & send signals to them to have them run faster than the manual lanes, so everyone would look at them moving 2/3x faster than they were, because they were running safely with 50cm separation. It would be like railway cars running in a train, but would actually be individual cars running in an automated mode, controlled by the road, not the car, so this would allow that centrally controlling road to make the decision to drop the lanes speed down by 10% based on conditions, not the asshole in the car, or the nazi in the car manufacturer

And the "driver" could read a book, play on their phone or just otherwise tune out. (Realistically they'd be doing work)

[Biffer]

Starship go boom.

Again

Seven failures from nine launches.

[laurent]

Starship go boom.

Again

Seven failures from nine launches.

Imagine Ariane doing this

[Slick]

My son, whose 8, had a load of mates over after school yesterday. Interestingly one of the things they were talking about (they are all suddenly into cars) is how much they hate TESLA and people shouldn't buy them. I asked them why and it was because "Elon Musk is an idiot". A bi amazed he has cut through this far!

[Dinsdale Piranha]

Starship go boom.

Again

Seven failures from nine launches.

Imagine Ariane doing this

Yup. There's definitely no danger whatsoever of Ariane losing control while trying to land a booster or rocket.

[fishfoodie]

One job Tesla has posted is titled “C++ Software Engineer, Teleoperation, Optimus & Robotaxi.” Another one is titled, “Robotics Engineer, Teleoperation, Optimus.” The former job description reads: “Our cars and robots operate autonomously in challenging environments. As we iterate on the AI that powers them, we need the ability to access and control them remotely.”

https://insideevs.com/news/760863/tesla ... robotaxis/

Yeah Karen; Tesla isn't a Car company, it's an, "Automation Company"; because nothing says Automation quite like hiding a human behind the curtain, who's secretly operating the device, while the huckster in front of the curtain loudly proclaims how much better his taxis automation is versus Waymo, or how much better his robot is than Boston Dynamics.

Maybe they could try teleoperating the rockets so they stop blowing up ?

[Slick]

Starship go boom.

Again

Seven failures from nine launches.

Read something yesterday that this is partly due to their "style of engineering", ie that they send up cheap stuff that they think will probably blow up to get lots of data before making the decent ones? I am coming at this from a base of zero knowledge of engineering, but is this a thing?

Sounds a bit like it comes from the same place as rapid disassembly.

[Biffer]

Starship go boom.

Again

Seven failures from nine launches.

Read something yesterday that this is partly due to their "style of engineering", ie that they send up cheap stuff that they think will probably blow up to get lots of data before making the decent ones? I am coming at this from a base of zero knowledge of engineering, but is this a thing?

Sounds a bit like it comes from the same place as rapid disassembly.

It is a thing, but the extent of this blowing things up for this one is worrying. Compare it to the success rates of Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy. They didn't have anything like this degree of failure (Falcon 9 is over 99% successful and didn't have failures early in its programme). This is exponentially more complicated, yes, but it's almost as if they haven't realised that it's also exponentially more difficult, and there's a standard tech bro assumption which I fear they may be tripping over - that any tech is always scalable. The number of times I've had conversations with guys taken by the silicon valley tech bro attitude talking about scaling computer algorithms and they haven't any concept of the idea that there are outcomes and complications which only emerge at particular scales, and can be completely fatal to what you're trying to do is crazy - they just don't comprehend it's a thing. That's my worry here, that they're scaling something and there's an emergent property past a certain scale that makes their model completely or mostly unworkable. If that's the case, it's not a tweak, or more data, or better build quality, or more attempts, that will fix it. There might be a tear it down and redesign from scratch requirement. Of course, I could also be wrong and they'll find a way to fix things. Who knows. But the blind faith in it by the tech bro masses who want to kneel down and suck Elon off if they get a chance doesn't help anyone.

[fishfoodie]

Anyone who has ever built anything knows the truism that the probability of a failure goes up as complexity increases.

The Saturn V that landed people on the moon had three stages, & a grand total of 11x engines; 5x F1s in 1st stage, 5x S-IIs on the 2nd stage, & 1x S-II on the 3rd stage.

Now that's a lot of pipes & valves, & places for leaks to happen but SpaceX said fuck it, what did those assholes know, & decided to put 33x Raptor engines on just stage one, & a shitload of extra complexity with extra gimballing & controls that are necessary to do re-use, but otherwise just add weight to a stage that doesn't get to orbit, & so reduces the weight that does get to orbit !

This is just the stuff we see failing now, it might be another year or two yet before we see them try & fail to refuel in orbit, & try & fail to relight a engine that isn't using hypergolic fuels.

[Biffer]

Anyone who has ever built anything knows the truism that the probability of a failure goes up as complexity increases.

The Saturn V that landed people on the moon had three stages, & a grand total of 11x engines; 5x F1s in 1st stage, 5x S-IIs on the 2nd stage, & 1x S-II on the 3rd stage.

Now that's a lot of pipes & valves, & places for leaks to happen but SpaceX said fuck it, what did those assholes know, & decided to put 33x Raptor engines on just stage one, & a shitload of extra complexity with extra gimballing & controls that are necessary to do re-use, but otherwise just add weight to a stage that doesn't get to orbit, & so reduces the weight that does get to orbit !

This is just the stuff we see failing now, it might be another year or two yet before we see them try & fail to refuel in orbit, & try & fail to relight a engine that isn't using hypergolic fuels.

Yeah, exactly.

But tech bro mentality is just keep chucking money at it. Try and fail, try and fail, over and over again will work on problems that can be solved by iteration, but not where there is a fundamental issue. But they can't admit there could be one both because they've taken so much money and have a huge sunk cost in place, and because the idea that they could be wrong breaks their business model.

[fishfoodie]

He's been at the Ketamine again !

Elon Musk has said he wants to send a spacecraft crewed by humanoid robots on a voyage to Mars by the end of next year.

The tech billionaire outlined his latest schedule for Starship in a video presented at the project's Starbase home in Texas and posted online on Thursday.

The SpaceX founder had been set to give a presentation, called The Road to Making Life Multiplanetary, on Tuesday night, following a ninth test flight of the spacecraft earlier that evening.

But the speech was cancelled after the vehicle spun out of control about 30 minutes into the launch, having not achieved some of its most important test goals.

...

https://news.sky.com/story/elon-musk-re ... s-13376914

For currently available information, which ain't great because SpaceX continually changes objectives & minor details like how much cargo each launch can get into LEO, the best guess from experts is that it will take 20x launches just to fuel one trip to Mars, & those estimates are probably wildly optimistic.

So in the next ~16 months they need to first launch a fully prepared transit craft with crew, comms & everything ready to go to Mars, & then they need to successfully launch ~20x refueling ships to top up the transit craft so it can go to Mars.

Is there anyone who believes this bullshit ?

[TB63]

Ketamine? I think a few more..

[Hellraiser]

He's been at the Ketamine again !

Elon Musk has said he wants to send a spacecraft crewed by humanoid robots on a voyage to Mars by the end of next year.

The tech billionaire outlined his latest schedule for Starship in a video presented at the project's Starbase home in Texas and posted online on Thursday.

The SpaceX founder had been set to give a presentation, called The Road to Making Life Multiplanetary, on Tuesday night, following a ninth test flight of the spacecraft earlier that evening.

But the speech was cancelled after the vehicle spun out of control about 30 minutes into the launch, having not achieved some of its most important test goals.

...

https://news.sky.com/story/elon-musk-re ... s-13376914

For currently available information, which ain't great because SpaceX continually changes objectives & minor details like how much cargo each launch can get into LEO, the best guess from experts is that it will take 20x launches just to fuel one trip to Mars, & those estimates are probably wildly optimistic.

So in the next ~16 months they need to first launch a fully prepared transit craft with crew, comms & everything ready to go to Mars, & then they need to successfully launch ~20x refueling ships to top up the transit craft so it can go to Mars.

Is there anyone who believes this bullshit ?

He's trying to distract from the Starship launch disaster to keep the share price up.

[fishfoodie]

Or possibly this video prior to the launch of his, "Robotaxis"

https://bsky.app/profile/realdanodowd.b ... afg2zqfk2v

Tesla is about to put a few alleged robotaxis on the streets in Austin soon. They won't be the CyberCab robotaxis that Tesla "revealed" late last year, but regular ole Model Ys running some version of Tesla's so-called "Full Self-Driving" software. And how are things going with that software? Well, if you look at the results of the latest test from the Dawn Project, a safety organization started by Caltech grad and software engineer Dan O'Dowd, the answer is a resounding "not great." At least if you care about cars stopping for kids getting off school buses.

As you can see in the video below, O'Dowd drove a Model Y running FSD 13.2.9 past a stopped school bus with its stop sign deployed and the red lights flashing. They then pulled a child-size dummy out into the Tesla's path to see whether or not it would stop for the child. The car drove through the child like it wasn't even there.

To make matters worse, the Tesla didn't fail to detect the mannequin, which would have still been bad enough. The system actually detected the child-size stand-in and classified it as a pedestrian but didn't bother to stop or even slow down. It just kept on going, completely ignoring the "kid" crossing the street. You'd think someone as baby-happy as Elon Musk would at least want his products to avoid running over children, right?
...

https://www.jalopnik.com/1872373/tesla- ... -bus-test/

[fishfoodie]

Common Sense Skeptic has uploaded the de-mumbled & compressed video of Space Karens "speech" about Mars the other day





Like the other lying sack of shit fraudster, when Karen doesn't like a number he sees on a presentation, he's just pulls a bigger number from his arse because that's what they do in science !

Even my back of the envelope calculations show he's just talking shit, so sure as hell all the people working in SpaceX know hes full of it.

[Blake]

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Elon just jumped off the deep end. I don’t think he’s going to survive this one. Ketamine is one helluva drug apparently.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

This could get interesting if Musk delivers on his idea of going after the primaries of those GOP candidates who support Trump's little mushroom dick bill. There's a fair chance Musk just drops a boat load of K and forgets about it, but potentially there's now a risk to GOP members of congress from MAGA and Make America Musk Again, henceforth MAMA (obviously in best Freddie Mercury impressions)

Musk isn't wrong he's not a lame duck president and is actuarially likely to live somewhat longer, but I don't know I quite believe him, which is odd as he has such a record for honesty

[sockwithaticket]

This could get interesting if Musk delivers on his idea of going after the primaries of those GOP candidates who support Trump's little mushroom dick bill. There's a fair chance Musk just drops a boat load of K and forgets about it, but potentially there's now a risk to GOP members of congress from MAGA and Make America Musk Again, henceforth MAMA (obviously in best Freddie Mercury impressions)

Musk isn't wrong he's not a lame duck president and is actuarially likely to live somewhat longer, but I don't know I quite believe him, which is odd as he has such a record for honesty

I suspect it'll be the threat to all his juicy government contracts rather than a particularly deep k-hole that silences Musk.

[Slick]

Ketamine? I think a few more..

My only experience of Ketamine was at a festival when someone was just about to give me some to try when a guy dropped to his knees and started howling at the moon which lasted for about 2 hours. Decided that probably wasn't the best use of my time.

[PornDog]

My only experience of Ketamine was at a festival when someone was just about to give me some to try when a guy dropped to his knees and started howling at the moon which lasted for about 2 hours. Decided that probably wasn't the best use of my time.

Can't say I have any experience of it either, but I've seen enough people gurning away while off their face on ecstasy, and it looks just like that!

[sockwithaticket]