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Mack Hansen out for 6 weeks with an injured ankle
Tom Curry didn't look too good coming off after 20 minutes with a hamstring problem
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SaintK wrote: Mon May 12, 2025 2:56 pm Mack Hansen out for 6 weeks with an injured ankle
Tom Curry didn't look too good coming off after 20 minutes with a hamstring problem
Didn't Hansen also have his arm in a sling last week?
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SaintK wrote: Mon May 12, 2025 2:56 pm Mack Hansen out for 6 weeks with an injured ankle
Tom Curry didn't look too good coming off after 20 minutes with a hamstring problem
Would be awful for the players to miss out at this stage.

From a Lions POV they play in positions with good depth but hopefully they make it.
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Doris out for four to six months. Do we reckon another no8 will be added?
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Big D wrote: Mon May 12, 2025 4:37 pm
SaintK wrote: Mon May 12, 2025 2:56 pm Mack Hansen out for 6 weeks with an injured ankle
Tom Curry didn't look too good coming off after 20 minutes with a hamstring problem
Would be awful for the players to miss out at this stage.

From a Lions POV they play in positions with good depth but hopefully they make it.
It's pretty much a certainty that 4-5 players will be hors de combat before they even fly out.
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Biffer wrote: Mon May 12, 2025 5:56 pm Doris out for four to six months. Do we reckon another no8 will be added?
Hope so, Conan the only No8 in the squad
Tom Willis please. Has been outstanding all season
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Uncle fester wrote: Mon May 12, 2025 6:28 pm
Big D wrote: Mon May 12, 2025 4:37 pm
SaintK wrote: Mon May 12, 2025 2:56 pm Mack Hansen out for 6 weeks with an injured ankle
Tom Curry didn't look too good coming off after 20 minutes with a hamstring problem
Would be awful for the players to miss out at this stage.

From a Lions POV they play in positions with good depth but hopefully they make it.
It's pretty much a certainty that 4-5 players will be hors de combat before they even fly out.
Yeah, I always feel more sorry for the guys who don't even make it to the kit out day to get all the gear or make it to the tour.

To be fair I always feel sorry for the injured ones. Especially Doddie and Simon Taylor. I thought Taylor was going to be the surprise package on that Australian tour.
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Yes , some poor sod, and it's usually someone who is more likely than not to make the Test squad (starter or bench) always picks up some tour ending injury.
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Hal Jordan wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 7:02 am Yes , some poor sod, and it's usually someone who is more likely than not to make the Test squad (starter or bench) always picks up some tour ending injury.
Doddies reaction was heart breaking. The way he got injurednwas awful too.
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Big D wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 7:40 am
Hal Jordan wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 7:02 am Yes , some poor sod, and it's usually someone who is more likely than not to make the Test squad (starter or bench) always picks up some tour ending injury.
Doddies reaction was heart breaking. The way he got injurednwas awful too.
Injuries are part of the game and accepted as such, but that was just "Fuck up a Lion" thuggery.
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Hal Jordan wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 12:31 pm
Big D wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 7:40 am
Hal Jordan wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 7:02 am Yes , some poor sod, and it's usually someone who is more likely than not to make the Test squad (starter or bench) always picks up some tour ending injury.
Doddies reaction was heart breaking. The way he got injurednwas awful too.
Injuries are part of the game and accepted as such, but that was just "Fuck up a Lion" thuggery.

If Doddie hadn't had the terrible illness many in rugby would still know of him - those who saw him play and those who saw him as a pundit in those gloriously garish tartan suits.

I have no idea of the name of that nonentity who assaulted Doddie, and I've no wish to know it either.
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Marius Bosman, a noted mega cūnt.
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Andy Powell coming out of retirement for the lions.
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Things looking a bit stretched in the front row?
Sale's 20-year-old tight-head prop Asher Opoku-Fordjour has been called up to the British and Irish Lions training squad.
Farrell is particularly short of options in the front row. Hookers Dan Sheehan and Ronan Kelleher are still on Leinster duty, leaving Luke Cowan-Dickie the only hooker from the original party available for training in the coming week.
Meanwhile, at tight-head the Lions are seriously stretched. Tadhg Furlong is an injury concern and is also with Leinster, Bath's Will Stuart is unavailable, while Scotland and Glasgow's Zander Fagerson is recovering from a calf strain.
Ireland prop Finlay Bealham and England hooker Jamie George are also expected to be called into the Lions squad, with official confirmation of the additions expected on Monday.
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SaintK wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 8:13 am Things looking a bit stretched in the front row?
Sale's 20-year-old tight-head prop Asher Opoku-Fordjour has been called up to the British and Irish Lions training squad.
Farrell is particularly short of options in the front row. Hookers Dan Sheehan and Ronan Kelleher are still on Leinster duty, leaving Luke Cowan-Dickie the only hooker from the original party available for training in the coming week.
Meanwhile, at tight-head the Lions are seriously stretched. Tadhg Furlong is an injury concern and is also with Leinster, Bath's Will Stuart is unavailable, while Scotland and Glasgow's Zander Fagerson is recovering from a calf strain.
Ireland prop Finlay Bealham and England hooker Jamie George are also expected to be called into the Lions squad, with official confirmation of the additions expected on Monday.
Was always going to be a concern given Leinster and Bath likely having a final appearance. I would imagine if everyone comes through unscathed then the AOF will effectively be a camp body. So long as the players come through the final ok there is no reason Kelleher and Stuart can't bench for the Argentina game.

Edit: Just seen Fagerson is out of the tour. Awful news for him.
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not great new loading more work onto a very young prop. one gets why Farrell wouldn't especially care about his club or country, but it's simply bad for the player not to get a rest, even set alongside it could have plenty of positives.
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Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 9:49 am not great new loading more work onto a very young prop. one gets why Farrell wouldn't especially care about his club or country, but it's simply bad for the player not to get a rest, even set alongside it could have plenty of positives.
He looked knackered on Saturday and Sale's scrum improved markedly when Will Griff-John replaced hom on abot 45 minutes
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SaintK wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 10:02 am
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 9:49 am not great new loading more work onto a very young prop. one gets why Farrell wouldn't especially care about his club or country, but it's simply bad for the player not to get a rest, even set alongside it could have plenty of positives.
He looked knackered on Saturday and Sale's scrum improved markedly when Will Griff-John replaced hom on abot 45 minutes
the sport claims to have been pro for 30 years now, and still the load dumped onto some players looks barking mad. this problem is known, and yet the sport will rinse and repeat. galling we then also claim to care about the players.

maybe he's a lucky one and this doesn't hinder him, but...
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Fagerson the first injury casualty of the tour.
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Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 10:13 am
SaintK wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 10:02 am
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 9:49 am not great new loading more work onto a very young prop. one gets why Farrell wouldn't especially care about his club or country, but it's simply bad for the player not to get a rest, even set alongside it could have plenty of positives.
He looked knackered on Saturday and Sale's scrum improved markedly when Will Griff-John replaced hom on abot 45 minutes
the sport claims to have been pro for 30 years now, and still the load dumped onto some players looks barking mad. this problem is known, and yet the sport will rinse and repeat. galling we then also claim to care about the players.

maybe he's a lucky one and this doesn't hinder him, but...
He was by a mile the worst prop on show v Bath. I suspect he is there to hold the tackle bags and get some experience as a young guy but it must piss off a few other more experienced props across the country to see him being recognized in this way.
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dpedin wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 10:30 am
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 10:13 am
SaintK wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 10:02 am
He looked knackered on Saturday and Sale's scrum improved markedly when Will Griff-John replaced hom on abot 45 minutes
the sport claims to have been pro for 30 years now, and still the load dumped onto some players looks barking mad. this problem is known, and yet the sport will rinse and repeat. galling we then also claim to care about the players.

maybe he's a lucky one and this doesn't hinder him, but...
He was by a mile the worst prop on show v Bath. I suspect he is there to hold the tackle bags and get some experience as a young guy but it must piss off a few other more experienced props across the country to see him being recognized in this way.
AOF there as a placeholder for Dan Coles retirement tour obviously. That aside, Heyes and Sinkler are an example of two THPs that may be in the thinking if there is a further injury call off.
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Big D wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 10:28 am Fagerson the first injury casualty of the tour.
Ach, what a shame for him
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Tichtheid wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 10:43 am
Big D wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 10:28 am Fagerson the first injury casualty of the tour.
Ach, what a shame for him
Yep must be incredibly disapointing
He won't be the last one either
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Big D wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 10:28 am Fagerson the first injury casualty of the tour.
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Shame for Fagerson
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Big D wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 10:28 am Fagerson the first injury casualty of the tour.
Gutted for him. Is this the same injury not improving or a new one?
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dpedin wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 10:30 am
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 10:13 am
SaintK wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 10:02 am
He looked knackered on Saturday and Sale's scrum improved markedly when Will Griff-John replaced hom on abot 45 minutes
the sport claims to have been pro for 30 years now, and still the load dumped onto some players looks barking mad. this problem is known, and yet the sport will rinse and repeat. galling we then also claim to care about the players.

maybe he's a lucky one and this doesn't hinder him, but...
He was by a mile the worst prop on show v Bath. I suspect he is there to hold the tackle bags and get some experience as a young guy but it must piss off a few other more experienced props across the country to see him being recognized in this way.
Is the Lions really seen as a development tour? Surely it's deliver right here right now, and then it's done
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Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 2:18 pm
dpedin wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 10:30 am
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 10:13 am

the sport claims to have been pro for 30 years now, and still the load dumped onto some players looks barking mad. this problem is known, and yet the sport will rinse and repeat. galling we then also claim to care about the players.

maybe he's a lucky one and this doesn't hinder him, but...
He was by a mile the worst prop on show v Bath. I suspect he is there to hold the tackle bags and get some experience as a young guy but it must piss off a few other more experienced props across the country to see him being recognized in this way.
Is the Lions really seen as a development tour? Surely it's deliver right here right now, and then it's done
He has only been called up to training at this point. Might have been seen as someone who could come into camp and bring high energy levels while their preferred 5th choice is still playing (Heyes, Sinckler etc).
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Anyone know how serious these are?
Just read that Furlong has made only 8 appearances for Leinster and half a match for Ireland this season so far! N wonder he looked so off the pace in the ERC semi final against Saints
British and Irish Lions squad members Tadhg Furlong, Garry Ringrose, Hugo Keenan and Josh van der Flier are injury doubts for Leinster's United Rugby Championship final against the Bulls.
Furlong, Ringrose and Keenan are nursing calf injuries while Van der Flier's hamstring issue will be assessed before Saturday's game against the South African side at Croke Park, Dublin
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SaintK wrote: Tue Jun 10, 2025 9:02 am British and Irish Lions squad members Tadhg Furlong, Garry Ringrose, Hugo Keenan and Josh van der Flier are injury doubts for Leinster's United Rugby Championship final against the Bulls.
Furlong, Ringrose and Keenan are nursing calf injuries while Van der Flier's hamstring issue will be assessed before Saturday's game against the South African side at Croke Park, Dublin
Leinster clearly all been practising their kicking game for the Bulls this weekend. Blown leg muscles everywhere!!
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SaintK wrote: Tue Jun 10, 2025 9:02 am Anyone know how serious these are?
Just read that Furlong has made only 8 appearances for Leinster and half a match for Ireland this season so far! N wonder he looked so off the pace in the ERC semi final against Saints
British and Irish Lions squad members Tadhg Furlong, Garry Ringrose, Hugo Keenan and Josh van der Flier are injury doubts for Leinster's United Rugby Championship final against the Bulls.
Furlong, Ringrose and Keenan are nursing calf injuries while Van der Flier's hamstring issue will be assessed before Saturday's game against the South African side at Croke Park, Dublin
Furlong goes through periods where he plays very little rugby with this year being one example. Previous times, he's got over those periods and got plenty of playing time but at 32, most Irish fans are steeling themselves that this one might be the start of the long dark teatime of the soul for him.
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Uncle fester wrote: Tue Jun 10, 2025 3:22 pm
SaintK wrote: Tue Jun 10, 2025 9:02 am Anyone know how serious these are?
Just read that Furlong has made only 8 appearances for Leinster and half a match for Ireland this season so far! N wonder he looked so off the pace in the ERC semi final against Saints
British and Irish Lions squad members Tadhg Furlong, Garry Ringrose, Hugo Keenan and Josh van der Flier are injury doubts for Leinster's United Rugby Championship final against the Bulls.
Furlong, Ringrose and Keenan are nursing calf injuries while Van der Flier's hamstring issue will be assessed before Saturday's game against the South African side at Croke Park, Dublin
Furlong goes through periods where he plays very little rugby with this year being one example. Previous times, he's got over those periods and got plenty of playing time but at 32, most Irish fans are steeling themselves that this one might be the start of the long dark teatime of the soul for him.
Let's hope he's got at least one more big one in him
Bealham is certainly not the answer to replacing him as a test match starter.
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Bealham has been pretty decent actually. Haven't missed furlong as much as we thought we would.

Hate to say it but we're looking pretty thin in some key positions.
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Uncle fester wrote: Tue Jun 10, 2025 8:08 pm Bealham has been pretty decent actually. Haven't missed furlong as much as we thought we would.

Hate to say it but we're looking pretty thin in some key positions.
Look to the Welsh
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So Keenan and Furlong both out of the Leinster team for Saturday.
Both with calf injuries though no treport on how severe or not they are.
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JVP called up to provide cover at SH! A bit of a surprise given his shitshow of a performance on Saturday when he looked the 3rd best SH on show. However it may be that he was the one available and willing to go?
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Jesus, hope it's just to hold tackle bags and JGP gets over his injury. I'd have thought Ben White would have been next cab off the rank by some distance, or is he still playing in France?
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Oxbow wrote: Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:30 am Jesus, hope it's just to hold tackle bags and JGP gets over his injury. I'd have thought Ben White would have been next cab off the rank by some distance, or is he still playing in France?
Isn't he still involved in T14 play offs?
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Oxbow wrote: Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:30 am Jesus, hope it's just to hold tackle bags and JGP gets over his injury. I'd have thought Ben White would have been next cab off the rank by some distance, or is he still playing in France?

He'll probably be finished by the weekend, Toulon are playing UBB away on Saturday evening
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SaintK wrote: Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:37 am
Oxbow wrote: Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:30 am Jesus, hope it's just to hold tackle bags and JGP gets over his injury. I'd have thought Ben White would have been next cab off the rank by some distance, or is he still playing in France?
Isn't he still involved in T14 play offs?
Ah right, I wasn't sure.
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Oxbow wrote: Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:38 am
SaintK wrote: Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:37 am
Oxbow wrote: Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:30 am Jesus, hope it's just to hold tackle bags and JGP gets over his injury. I'd have thought Ben White would have been next cab off the rank by some distance, or is he still playing in France?
Isn't he still involved in T14 play offs?
Ah right, I wasn't sure.
Toulon playing UBB on Saturday in a semi-final
Would imagine he's on the reserve list
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