So, coronavirus...

[Saint]

Saint
If the Oxford vaccine proves effective, we will have enough vaccine for the whole of the UK (that's what I've read). If reliant on the other 2 front runner vaccines the limit is for 20 million.
Is this correct?

It's somewhat less than clear how many AZ does are actually earmarked for use in the UK. The UK government has an order in for 100 million doses total - but the initial press release was that only 30 million of them would be for use in the UK, and subsequent documents have discussed different numbers. We then have 30 million on order of Pfixer/BioNtech, and 60 million of Valneva

It;s also not clear which vaccines will require boosters or over what timeframes (fairly obviously, at this point it's impossible to say if a booster is needed in 24 months for instance). But the US FDA is requiring a 3 month booster is administered, with subsequent monitoring, before it will approve any vaccine at the moment

[Longshanks]

Thanks for your reply Saint
Appreciated

[Insane_Homer]

3rd November 2020

Public Health England has released the following statement:
"Owing to technical difficulties, we have not received cases data for England. We will update the service as soon as possible."

Usually a precursor to the numbers being not good.

[Longshanks]

3rd November 2020

Public Health England has released the following statement:
"Owing to technical difficulties, we have not received cases data for England. We will update the service as soon as possible."

Usually a precursor to the numbers being not good.

It's Tuesday
They are usually bad on a Tuesday anyway

[Saint]

Thanks for your reply Saint
Appreciated

Pleasure

[Openside]

Thanks for your reply Saint
Appreciated

Pleasure

How very un PR civility has broken out - take a long hard look at yourselves.

[Bimbowomxn]

3rd November 2020

Public Health England has released the following statement:
"Owing to technical difficulties, we have not received cases data for England. We will update the service as soon as possible."

Usually a precursor to the numbers being not good.

Too low to maintain the narrative ?

[Bimbowomxn]

Amazing that the Commonwealth Fund haven't thought about that! Amazing that they haven't taken into account the impact of converting £ into $ and balancing the impact this makes for their analysis. Perhaps bimbo should get in touch and offer his expertise and inside knowledge as the Commonwealth Fund clearly dont know what they are doing and given they probably dont participate in this Forum will have missed Bimbo's wise insight into carrying out a comparative analysis across different health systems?

Do you know if they’d normalised the currency rates ?

[The Druid]

This is very interesting.
Ed Conway from Sky.

https://youtu.be/atbnvog1yuI

[DAC Clarifies]

I enjoy this Irish chap's take on the current situation.

[Bimbowomxn]

Zoe app is saying the UK “R” number is now 1. And fallen in the last 3 weeks.

[Tichtheid]

Amazing that the Commonwealth Fund haven't thought about that! Amazing that they haven't taken into account the impact of converting £ into $ and balancing the impact this makes for their analysis. Perhaps bimbo should get in touch and offer his expertise and inside knowledge as the Commonwealth Fund clearly dont know what they are doing and given they probably dont participate in this Forum will have missed Bimbo's wise insight into carrying out a comparative analysis across different health systems?

Do you know if they’d normalised the currency rates ?

If you do the numbers in £ sterling they come out even lower per capita spend in the UK when compared to the USA than it did in US$ in that previous report https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42950587# ... 20the%20US.

Or you can look at the OECD spend as a percentage of GDP https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm

[Longshanks]

Zoe app is saying the UK “R” number is now 1. And fallen in the last 3 weeks.

Boris u-turn on the u-turn?

[Bimbowomxn]

Amazing that the Commonwealth Fund haven't thought about that! Amazing that they haven't taken into account the impact of converting £ into $ and balancing the impact this makes for their analysis. Perhaps bimbo should get in touch and offer his expertise and inside knowledge as the Commonwealth Fund clearly dont know what they are doing and given they probably dont participate in this Forum will have missed Bimbo's wise insight into carrying out a comparative analysis across different health systems?

Do you know if they’d normalised the currency rates ?

If you do the numbers in £ sterling they come out even lower per capita spend in the UK when compared to the USA than it did in US$ in that previous report https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42950587# ... 20the%20US.

Or you can look at the OECD spend as a percentage of GDP https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm

So you assert they were amazing and reported with currency adjustments and then........

Did they include the UK spend on dentistry and private medical insurance and care in the UK number ?

[Tichtheid]

Just click through on the links and read the information you are being spoon fed, how much more help do you need?

[Bimbowomxn]

Just click through on the links and read the information you are being spoon fed, how much more help do you need?

Your links say nothing of the commonwealth fund study ..... the information says nothing of the reports currency policy.

You don’t really grasp what I’m asking. Best leave it.

[PlanetGlyndwr]

Is this thread Bimboman arguing with every singe other poster?

Death, Taxes, Bimbot off his meds..

Another Doctor. And rather offensive, who are you from PR?

You treat yourself so seriously, you should have a bowl of valium soup and learn to chill out about things once in a while.

I'm a noob cnut

[Bimbowomxn]

Death, Taxes, Bimbot off his meds..

Another Doctor. And rather offensive, who are you from PR?

You treat yourself so seriously, you should have a bowl of valium soup and learn to chill out about things once in a while.

I'm a noob cnut

Nah.....

[Gumboot]

I'm a noob cnut

You're allowed to say "cunt" here.

[Tichtheid]

Just click through on the links and read the information you are being spoon fed, how much more help do you need?

Your links say nothing of the commonwealth fund study ..... the information says nothing of the reports currency policy.

You don’t really grasp what I’m asking. Best leave it.

You are disputing that the UK spends less on healthcare than those countries mentioned the report I posted, it’s up to you to prove that.

I can only help you so much, you’ll have to do the running on this, or duck out as you have done with every other topic you've been wrong on.

[Bimbowomxn]

Just click through on the links and read the information you are being spoon fed, how much more help do you need?

Your links say nothing of the commonwealth fund study ..... the information says nothing of the reports currency policy.

You don’t really grasp what I’m asking. Best leave it.

You are disputing that the UK spends less on healthcare than those countries mentioned the report I posted, it’s up to you to prove that.

I can only help you so much, you’ll have to do the running on this, or duck out as you have done with every other topic you've been wrong on.

What rubbish, you’ve claimed they make adjustments for currency , you’ve shown me a couple of links that don’t have anything to do with the commonwealth report.

Again you’re about with wooly shite like

You are disputing that the UK spends less on healthcare than those countries mentioned the report I posted, it’s up to you to prove that.

Yes, we spend more than New Zealand and Australia...... you know that right.

[Tichtheid]

, you’ve claimed they make adjustments for currency

Wrong yet again.

[Bimbowomxn]

, you’ve claimed they make adjustments for currency

Wrong yet again.

Apologies, however you did pick up the baton and run with the assertion....

Though your links to his conundrum show you don’t understand what’s being discussed.

[Bimbowomxn]

[Tichtheid]

, you’ve claimed they make adjustments for currency

Wrong yet again.

Apologies, however you did pick up the baton and run with the assertion....

Though your links to his conundrum show you don’t understand what’s being discussed.

The report you took issue with was from The Commonwealth Fund, which in case it's of any interest is "a private U.S. foundation whose stated purpose is to "promote a high performing health care system that achieves better access, improved quality, and greater efficiency, particularly for society's most vulnerable and the elderly." It is active in a number of areas related to health care and health policy. It is led by David Blumenthal, M.D."

The other documents I found relating to healthcare comparisons use PPPs and are adjusted for differences in cost of living, they show the UK spending 9.7% of GDP on healthcare, Aus on 9.1% and NZ on 9.1% the other countries spend more than the aggregated UK, the US much more.

The initial quote I made stated that the UK's spend was compared to the mean across the 11 nations. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that used adjusted figures if the other ones I found did.

You are welcome to prove otherwise.

What is getting lost here is the performance of the NHS according to that report, coming in repeatedly as the best overall healthcare system in the world.

[Bimbowomxn]

What is getting lost here is the performance of the NHS according to that report, coming in repeatedly as the best overall healthcare system in the world.

Except at keeping you alive.

[Glaston]

What happened to all the stories about various animals that were catching C19 ( or at least testing +ve) that we heard of way back in march/april/may?

This came to mind when I heard that Ivermectin is a proposed treatment for C19 in humans.

Ivermectin is a commonly used to treat livestock for parasites and biting flies.



In my rant at Northerners over the weekend, it turns out southerners are just as moronic.
Police broke up 700 person rave near Bristol.

[fishfoodie]

What happened to all the stories about various animals that were catching C19 ( or at least testing +ve) that we heard of way back in march/april/may?

This came to mind when I heard that Ivermectin is a proposed treatment for C19 in humans.

Ivermectin is a commonly used to treat livestock for parasites and biting flies.



In my rant at Northerners over the weekend, it turns out southerners are just as moronic.
Police broke up 700 person rave near Bristol.

You just need to look at the bimbot to know that there are thick cunts south of the Watford gap too.

[Saint]

What happened to all the stories about various animals that were catching C19 ( or at least testing +ve) that we heard of way back in march/april/may?

This came to mind when I heard that Ivermectin is a proposed treatment for C19 in humans.

Ivermectin is a commonly used to treat livestock for parasites and biting flies.



In my rant at Northerners over the weekend, it turns out southerners are just as moronic.
Police broke up 700 person rave near Bristol.

The it's extremely rare - virtually no animals are known to have caught it from humans, and vice-versa.

Ivermectin is a fairly common treatment for head lice in humans as well - but the proposed doses in humans are stupidly high. The side effects of doses that high are not fully known, but we're talking vision impairment (possibly permanent) and others

[Tichtheid]

What is getting lost here is the performance of the NHS according to that report, coming in repeatedly as the best overall healthcare system in the world.

Except at keeping you alive.

This is reductive, at best.

The NHS funding deficit has been discussed, there are fewer doctors, nurses, physios etc compared to the countries where we lag in some diseases, there is less specialist equipment available to the staff.

Where we do lag behind in outcomes, eg some cancers, the UK lags by a few percentage points, but it is improving at roughly the same rate as the other countries are improving their care. It's still not good enough, nor is it in the other countries.

We do perform better than those same countries in other aspects, we are better at treating diabetes and preventing suicides

This is a multi-faceted topic, far too complex for that facile statement you made, if you are interested in full picture look up the report called The NHS at 70 how good is the NHS, conducted by the Nuffield Trust and others.

[Insane_Homer]

Belated stats due to delays yesterday

Deaths: 397 (367 last Tues)
Cases: 20,018

Deaths, still increasing but at a much slower rate than previous 2 weeks.

[Sandstorm]

Belated stats due to delays yesterday

Deaths: 397 (367 last Tues)
Cases: 20,018

Deaths, still increasing but at a much slower rate than previous 2 weeks.

Perhaps as a result of the NI and Wales lockdowns?

[Longshanks]

Belated stats due to delays yesterday

Deaths: 397 (367 last Tues)
Cases: 20,018

Deaths, still increasing but at a much slower rate than previous 2 weeks.

Perhaps as a result of the NI and Wales lockdowns?

About 7 or 8 % of the population. Might have some effect, but the tiered
System might be working. Not fast enough though

[Longshanks]

Also need to remember deaths are 3 to 4 weeks behind infections. So probably too early for Wales and Northern Ireland lockdown to take effect

[Insane_Homer]

BBC

There are 11,000 "severely sick" Covid patients in English hospitals - NHS England chief Sir Simon Stevens

But latest figures (3 days old)

Patients in hospital
11,458 patients currently in hospital, reported on Sunday, 1 November 2020.

Patients on ventilation
1,075

So nearly all hospitalisation are severely sick, but only 1 in 10 severely sick enough to be on ventilators?

[Longshanks]

If you are in hospital you are severely sick.

[robmatic]

BBC

There are 11,000 "severely sick" Covid patients in English hospitals - NHS England chief Sir Simon Stevens

But latest figures (3 days old)

Patients in hospital
11,458 patients currently in hospital, reported on Sunday, 1 November 2020.

Patients on ventilation
1,075

So nearly all hospitalisation are severely sick, but only 1 in 10 severely sick enough to be on ventilators?

I thought they try not to put people on ventilators now based on clinical experience from the first wave.

[salanya]

Belated stats due to delays yesterday

Deaths: 397 (367 last Tues)
Cases: 20,018

Deaths, still increasing but at a much slower rate than previous 2 weeks.

Perhaps as a result of the NI and Wales lockdowns?

About 7 or 8 % of the population. Might have some effect, but the tiered
System might be working. Not fast enough though

Hospital admissions are also still increasing, slightly but steadily. Recorded cases aren't the whole story.

[Longshanks]

If my reading of the Zoe app is correct, the R in uk is now a tiny bit below 1

[Northern Lights]

This is very interesting.
Ed Conway from Sky.

https://youtu.be/atbnvog1yuI

Yep, interesting and why so many people are sceptical if not downright distrustful of what we are being told.