AgreedLemoentjie wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:15 am Everything is setting up nicely for Kanye 2024
It's going to be very funny no matter who wins in 2020. If Trump wins, we can watch obese blue-haired women screaming to the heavens, and if Biden wins we can watch rednecks and Trump himself have very many meltdowns
Ja I guess for neutrals with no skin in the game it can be very boring but for those in the thick of it it might just be a bit more exciting than a porn film.Fat Old Git wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:12 am Problem is it's not really that enthralling. Dull is how I would mostly describe it. It's the test cricket of the election world.
Joe Biden is not against free at the point of use health care. It's more he doesn't think you can flip from where they are now to such a system in on fell swoop, thus he wants to expand on the ACA and fix some holes as he sees it in the ACA. If after that people can push things further and it looks electorally sensible he's not going to objecteldanielfire wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:39 amAs I've said, Biden is a moderate Republican in Democratic clothes. He's anti-free healthcare, pro big business and takes plenty of favors from them and lobbies hard for their interests. He's voted for policies that specifically screw the poor to benefit big business and even lectures that the poor have to pay their way. He is hawkish on foreign wars.Blake wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:03 pm Biden going to be a lame duck without a Democratic senate though.
GOP can block and delay confirmations for 2 years making his administration completely ineffective.
Doesn’t look like Dems are going to get the senate.
I think Biden will be every happy to have an excuse and barrier to not enact policies from the left which he clearly doesn't believe in. This way he get's to be the president he wants to be.
Biden spent much of his career being against free healthcare and has specifically opposed to Bernie Sanders phased system. It's highly likely he has seen how popular universal healthcare in the debates is and claimed his step needs to come first so he can keep knocking it back. You know those debates where he claimed he didn't vote for Iraq when he did knowing how unpopular that position is as well. He even said eh would veto "Medicare for All” when in office, citing some BS:Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:24 amJoe Biden is not against free at the point of use health care. It's more he doesn't think you can flip from where they are now to such a system in on fell swoop, thus he wants to expand on the ACA and fix some holes as he sees it in the ACA. If after that people can push things further and it looks electorally sensible he's not going to objecteldanielfire wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:39 amAs I've said, Biden is a moderate Republican in Democratic clothes. He's anti-free healthcare, pro big business and takes plenty of favors from them and lobbies hard for their interests. He's voted for policies that specifically screw the poor to benefit big business and even lectures that the poor have to pay their way. He is hawkish on foreign wars.Blake wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:03 pm Biden going to be a lame duck without a Democratic senate though.
GOP can block and delay confirmations for 2 years making his administration completely ineffective.
Doesn’t look like Dems are going to get the senate.
I think Biden will be every happy to have an excuse and barrier to not enact policies from the left which he clearly doesn't believe in. This way he get's to be the president he wants to be.
Again he's not against free at the point of use healthcare. He's against trying to take their present system much beyond its present situation, which is why many see him as not progressive enough. As Biden sees it he's dealing in the reality of what there is, not designing his perfect system from scratch, and not wanting to allow what he sees as achievable aims to be distracted by engaging in pie in the sky thinking. He might be right or wrong in various aspects of that, but he's not against a free (at the point is use) system, he just doesn't think he can politically get that done so doesn't engage in it.eldanielfire wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:02 amBiden spent much of his career being against free healthcare and has specifically opposed to Bernie Sanders phased system. It's highly likely he has seen how popular universal healthcare in the debates is and claimed his step needs to come first so he can keep knocking it back. You know those debates where he claimed he didn't vote for Iraq when he did knowing how unpopular that position is as well. He even said eh would veto "Medicare for All” when in office, citing some BS:Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:24 amJoe Biden is not against free at the point of use health care. It's more he doesn't think you can flip from where they are now to such a system in on fell swoop, thus he wants to expand on the ACA and fix some holes as he sees it in the ACA. If after that people can push things further and it looks electorally sensible he's not going to objecteldanielfire wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:39 am
As I've said, Biden is a moderate Republican in Democratic clothes. He's anti-free healthcare, pro big business and takes plenty of favors from them and lobbies hard for their interests. He's voted for policies that specifically screw the poor to benefit big business and even lectures that the poor have to pay their way. He is hawkish on foreign wars.
I think Biden will be every happy to have an excuse and barrier to not enact policies from the left which he clearly doesn't believe in. This way he get's to be the president he wants to be.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/10/biden-s ... ealth.html
He’s just tweeted again to demand STOP THE COUNT. He obviously doesn’t realise that stopping the count now would give Biden Nevada, which would be enough to give him 270 electoral college votes.Slick wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:52 pm Has the idiot been told to keep away from Twitter today? Very quiet.
That's part of the tactic, controversy all the time, there's never enough time for one to take hold before the next one grabs some attention and a day or 2 later it's the next one. Eventually it's just a shrug at the constant blur. (Boris has been employing much the same tactic here)JM2K6 wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:04 pm People don't view this stuff in isolation. Many millions of people are practically force-fed a constant stream of bullshit by Murdoch/Sinclair/OANN, and by their local religious extremists, and by their own GOP types, and by Facebook, and by Twitter. Your list just looks like something a crazy person would say to them.
Yeah, unfortunately "STOP THE VOTE" was ambiguous enough for his followers to squirm around, "STOP THE COUNT", less so.Ali Cadoo wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:54 pm If Trump has mobilised his army of winged lawyers, I’m guessing that someone has said to him that it would really help his cause if he kept the rantings on Twitter down to one, mono-syllabic, legally ambiguous, outburst.
a bit late in the day.Ali Cadoo wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:54 pm If Trump has mobilised his army of winged lawyers, I’m guessing that someone has said to him that it would really help his cause if he kept the rantings on Twitter down to one, mono-syllabic, legally ambiguous, outburst.
Not exactly; it's the campaigns that pay for the lawyers; so he'll beggar the GOP fighting an unwinnable fightInsane_Homer wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:21 pm It's all fun and games until they inform him he'll have to pay for those lawyers himself... and they also then realise that they won't get paid either.
Indeed:fishfoodie wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:30 pmNot exactly; it's the campaigns that pay for the lawyers; so he'll beggar the GOP fighting an unwinnable fightInsane_Homer wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:21 pm It's all fun and games until they inform him he'll have to pay for those lawyers himself... and they also then realise that they won't get paid either.
Do you?
Easily the most important person in the moment when the result is called is the loser, it's on them to act with the country and democracy in mind no matter how much it hurts, perhaps even more so if there's a transfer of power. Even if you're Al Gore and think you might well have won there's a point you need to think about something that's not youLemoentjie wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:01 pm Interesting watch, and comparison (to how Hilary acted in 2016, and Trump (so far) in 2020). McCain's concession speech in 2008:
If they drag him out, he's going to give the White House the 24th August 1814 treatment out of spite.Flockwitt wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:41 pm I want Joe to win if only to hear Trump's "I concede" speech. I wonder if he can get the words out... or if there'll ever be one.
Stupid twat will set fire to himself instead.Hal Jordan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:15 pmIf they drag him out, he's going to give the White House the 24th August 1814 treatment out of spite.Flockwitt wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:41 pm I want Joe to win if only to hear Trump's "I concede" speech. I wonder if he can get the words out... or if there'll ever be one.
Perfect , it is Guy Fawkes night after all.Sandstorm wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:21 pmStupid twat will set fire to himself instead.Hal Jordan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:15 pmIf they drag him out, he's going to give the White House the 24th August 1814 treatment out of spite.Flockwitt wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:41 pm I want Joe to win if only to hear Trump's "I concede" speech. I wonder if he can get the words out... or if there'll ever be one.
He won’t do one, it’s not in him. I’d be amazed if he turned up at the swearing inSandstorm wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:21 pmStupid twat will set fire to himself instead.Hal Jordan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:15 pmIf they drag him out, he's going to give the White House the 24th August 1814 treatment out of spite.Flockwitt wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:41 pm I want Joe to win if only to hear Trump's "I concede" speech. I wonder if he can get the words out... or if there'll ever be one.
