President Trump and US politics catchall

[penguin]

Amazing stuff. He really is going to go down petulantly, every step of the way.

[fishfoodie]

If he had taken it seriously weeks earlier, or not de-funded the CDC, & not disbanded the CDC surveillance office in China; then vaccine development would have started earlier, & the trials would have finished earlier...

but that would require an honest assessment of his own actions

[Slick]

He's fucking losing it...

So many 'Likes'

People falling for this shit

You’d think he’d get the fucking message

[Sandstorm]

If he had taken it seriously weeks earlier, or not de-funded the CDC, & not disbanded the CDC surveillance office in China; then vaccine development would have started earlier, & the trials would have finished earlier...

but that would require an honest assessment of his own actions

Yup

[Uncle fester]

The Trump supporters have yet to riot, so they are unboarding the shop fronts.

They'd need popular support to risk open brazen actions like that but I fully expect targeted stuff like the Michigan governor plot.

[sturginho]

Are republicans risking their senate majority by siding with Trump over this nonsense, or is it just wishful thinking?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 19998.html

[Fangle]

Most of us are relieved that Trump has gone. But what do you all expect from President-elect Biden. What actions do you think he will make that will improve things.

I expect more action on climate change, but in doing that there is a worry that the coal miners etc will be out of work. And, of course, taxing the high earners more.

And what else that will improve the lives of people outside of the US?

[Insane_Homer]

https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-j ... ?r=US&IR=T

BOJO's hastily re-edited twitter announcement of congratulations to JB... after a few tonal changes on the image...



however, having downloaded the offending image and fucked around with it, I can only see jpg artefacts.

[Sandstorm]

Most of us are relieved that Trump has gone. But what do you all expect from President-elect Biden. What actions do you think he will make that will improve things.

I expect more action on climate change, but in doing that there is a worry that the coal miners etc will be out of work. And, of course, taxing the high earners more.

And what else that will improve the lives of people outside of the US?

Less aggro from the POTUS on a daily basis would be the best thing for the Rest of the World.

Coal miners in USA....well they should have seen the writing on the wall long before Trump in 2016.

Tax....hmmmmm. I don't expect America to get that right in the next 50 years. Or most other countries either.

[Hal Jordan]

Most of us are relieved that Trump has gone. But what do you all expect from President-elect Biden. What actions do you think he will make that will improve things.

I expect more action on climate change, but in doing that there is a worry that the coal miners etc will be out of work. And, of course, taxing the high earners more.

And what else that will improve the lives of people outside of the US?

Mate, the coal miners are already behind put of work through a combination of machines doing their jobs and coal dying on its arse. The issue isn't about protecting beautiful clean coal (barons' profits and insulating them from the social, economic and environmental fallout), it's about making sure that the miners don't get Ghost Towned. Which is more than Moscow Mitch is likely to approve.

[sockwithaticket]

Most of us are relieved that Trump has gone. But what do you all expect from President-elect Biden. What actions do you think he will make that will improve things.

I expect more action on climate change, but in doing that there is a worry that the coal miners etc will be out of work. And, of course, taxing the high earners more.

And what else that will improve the lives of people outside of the US?

Rejoining the WHO and being a traditional ally rather than an antagonist who cosies up to foreign powers whose interests conflict with ours for a start.

As a Brit I'm hoping his influence can quash the Tories' current attempts to violate the GFA which will also jeopardise the chances of getting even somewhat of a decent Brexit deal out of the EU.

[Biffer]

Most of us are relieved that Trump has gone. But what do you all expect from President-elect Biden. What actions do you think he will make that will improve things.

I expect more action on climate change, but in doing that there is a worry that the coal miners etc will be out of work. And, of course, taxing the high earners more.

And what else that will improve the lives of people outside of the US?

Rejoining the WHO and being a traditional ally rather than an antagonist who cosies up to foreign powers whose interests conflict with ours for a start.

As a Brit I'm hoping his influence can quash the Tories' current attempts to violate the GFA which will also jeopardise the chances of getting even somewhat of a decent Brexit deal out of the EU.

Restoring the multilateral organisations which the West leads - UN, NATO, WHO, etc.etc. I think that's the major thing - it's boring but it's necessary.

[Fangle]

Most of us are relieved that Trump has gone. But what do you all expect from President-elect Biden. What actions do you think he will make that will improve things.

I expect more action on climate change, but in doing that there is a worry that the coal miners etc will be out of work. And, of course, taxing the high earners more.

And what else that will improve the lives of people outside of the US?

Rejoining the WHO and being a traditional ally rather than an antagonist who cosies up to foreign powers whose interests conflict with ours for a start.

As a Brit I'm hoping his influence can quash the Tories' current attempts to violate the GFA which will also jeopardise the chances of getting even somewhat of a decent Brexit deal out of the EU.

Restoring the multilateral organisations which the West leads - UN, NATO, WHO, etc.etc. I think that's the major thing - it's boring but it's necessary.

Will the US taxpayers be expected to pay more than their fair share again?

[Biffer]

Rejoining the WHO and being a traditional ally rather than an antagonist who cosies up to foreign powers whose interests conflict with ours for a start.

As a Brit I'm hoping his influence can quash the Tories' current attempts to violate the GFA which will also jeopardise the chances of getting even somewhat of a decent Brexit deal out of the EU.

Restoring the multilateral organisations which the West leads - UN, NATO, WHO, etc.etc. I think that's the major thing - it's boring but it's necessary.

Will the US taxpayers be expected to pay more than their fair share again?

For what? Trump's pish about 'NATO contributions' is utter bullshit - no one makes contributions to NATO.

[Hugo]

Restoring the multilateral organisations which the West leads - UN, NATO, WHO, etc.etc. I think that's the major thing - it's boring but it's necessary.

Will the US taxpayers be expected to pay more than their fair share again?

For what? Trump's pish about 'NATO contributions' is utter bullshit - no one makes contributions to NATO.

The complaints about other NATO members not pulling their weight have been around since Obama, possibly beforehand. There is a fair amount of legitimacy in the idea that all member states should be pitching in and not just be dependent on the US. The German govt. delivered a speech about a month ago that addressed that and talked about the need for Europe to share some of the burden in the defence of the continent.

The US has always (since the 40's) bristled at the size of their contribution to the UN, to the extent that they were in major arrears in the late 90s and I think only paid their debt after 9/11.

[Chilli]

[Sandstorm]

I'm looking forward to Biden ramping up Space Force.

[tc27]

Biden phoned up Johnson (his second call) which at least ends days of breathless speculation on the matter in the UK press.

[Rinkals]

The Trump supporters have yet to riot, so they are unboarding the shop fronts.

They'd need popular support to risk open brazen actions like that but I fully expect targeted stuff like the Michigan governor plot.

I think the notion that the Trump supporters are the ones showing restraint is a little premature.

Watching the BBC and hearing the suggestion repeated that Trump's election victory has been snatched through foul play, I'm inclined to think that Trump is hoping to orchestrate an insurrection.

I doubt it would work, but who knows?

[Glaston]

The complaints about other NATO members not pulling their weight have been around since Obama, possibly beforehand. There is a fair amount of legitimacy in the idea that all member states should be pitching in and not just be dependent on the US. The German govt. delivered a speech about a month ago that addressed that and talked about the need for Europe to share some of the burden in the defence of the continent.

The US has always (since the 40's) bristled at the size of their contribution to the UN, to the extent that they were in major arrears in the late 90s and I think only paid their debt after 9/11.

Thats very hypocritical of them.

Germans have been amongst the worst for underspending on defense.

NATO's aim is for members to spend 2% of GDP, Germans have upped their game recently but they are still only spending about 1.4%.
Spain and Italy are below 1%, some others are way worse.

"In 2014, when allies agreed that all members should meet NATO’s 2% spending level by 2024, only the U.S., Greece and the United Kingdom were in compliance. Now, NATO data shows Romania, Estonia, Latvia, Poland, Lithuania, France and Norway meeting the target."

https://www.stripes.com/news/europe/ten ... y-1.649349

[Raggs]

The Trump supporters have yet to riot, so they are unboarding the shop fronts.

They'd need popular support to risk open brazen actions like that but I fully expect targeted stuff like the Michigan governor plot.

I think the notion that the Trump supporters are the ones showing restraint is a little premature.

Watching the BBC and hearing the suggestion repeated that Trump's election victory has been snatched through foul play, I'm inclined to think that Trump is hoping to orchestrate an insurrection.

I doubt it would work, but who knows?

I mean there was a bomb threat in Philadelphia where they were counting ballots, and people arrested as it was reported they were on their way to attack an election location.

[Lobby]

They'd need popular support to risk open brazen actions like that but I fully expect targeted stuff like the Michigan governor plot.

I think the notion that the Trump supporters are the ones showing restraint is a little premature.

Watching the BBC and hearing the suggestion repeated that Trump's election victory has been snatched through foul play, I'm inclined to think that Trump is hoping to orchestrate an insurrection.

I doubt it would work, but who knows?

I mean there was a bomb threat in Philadelphia where they were counting ballots, and people arrested as it was reported they were on their way to attack an election location.

And the Trumpists in Arizona gathering outside counting locations, while peacefully wearing combat fatigues and carrying assault rifles.

[Blake]

Restoring the multilateral organisations which the West leads - UN, NATO, WHO, etc.etc. I think that's the major thing - it's boring but it's necessary.

Will the US taxpayers be expected to pay more than their fair share again?

Something interesting I learned as to why China pays so little to the WHO:

TLDW; interring bit at 8:20. Reagan froze forced contributions at 1990s level, so China’s contribution has not kept track with their economic growth. Thanks Roland.

[Hal Jordan]

Trump sackings continue as he shows more people the door at the Pentagon to be replaced by his loyal dregs. Straightforward dictator behaviour, anyone who has any support for this piece of shit needs to examine their moral compass. I exclude the GOP from this because they threw their moral compass in the sea some time ago.

[Rinkals]

He's fucking losing it...

So many 'Likes'

People falling for this shit

It does seem as though the various voices claiming victory for Trump are getting stronger.

I see there is a March for Trump organised to go ahead on Saturday. While it would be nice if it mirrored Farage's impressive march in support of Brext, one fears that it will be less a gaggle of elderly codgers in bath chairs and more of a military force, armed to the teeth.

[Slick]

He's fucking losing it...

So many 'Likes'

People falling for this shit

It does seem as though the various voices claiming victory for Trump are getting stronger.

I see there is a March for Trump organised to go ahead on Saturday. While it would be nice if it mirrored Farage's impressive march in support of Brext, one fears that it will be less a gaggle of elderly codgers in bath chairs and more of a military force, armed to the teeth.

Biden just shouldn't engage with it at all. Just keep planning, keep taking calls from leaders, keep talking about his plans - it will drive the cunt mad.

[Sandstorm]

Biden just shouldn't engage with it at all. Just keep planning, keep taking calls from leaders, keep talking about his plans - it will drive the cunt mad.

Gold

[Kiwias]

So many 'Likes'

People falling for this shit

It does seem as though the various voices claiming victory for Trump are getting stronger.

I see there is a March for Trump organised to go ahead on Saturday. While it would be nice if it mirrored Farage's impressive march in support of Brext, one fears that it will be less a gaggle of elderly codgers in bath chairs and more of a military force, armed to the teeth.

Biden just shouldn't engage with it at all. Just keep planning, keep taking calls from leaders, keep talking about his plans - it will drive the cunt mad.

Biden is playing this pretty well, tbh.

[Slick]

It does seem as though the various voices claiming victory for Trump are getting stronger.

I see there is a March for Trump organised to go ahead on Saturday. While it would be nice if it mirrored Farage's impressive march in support of Brext, one fears that it will be less a gaggle of elderly codgers in bath chairs and more of a military force, armed to the teeth.

Biden just shouldn't engage with it at all. Just keep planning, keep taking calls from leaders, keep talking about his plans - it will drive the cunt mad.

Biden is playing this pretty well, tbh.

I agree. But every now and then he, or one of his team, get drawn. Just ignore it.

[Flockwitt]

Yep. It's only going to be a matter of weeks and Trump will get his marching orders. And not from Biden. Trump can strut and bluster all he wants but come the electoral college process beginning of Dec he won't get any traction beyond that, the GOP will stop their posturing and withdraw support, or rather will have something they can hide behind. It's easy for Mitch to mumble nothings to Trump's base now.

[Slick]

Yep. It's only going to be a matter of weeks and Trump will get his marching orders. And not from Biden. Trump can strut and bluster all he wants but come the electoral college process beginning of Dec he won't get any traction beyond that, the GOP will stop their posturing and withdraw support, or rather will have something they can hide behind. It's easy for Mitch to mumble nothings to Trump's base now.

He’s attempting to keep them all in line even when he leaves with this new SuperPac he has set up. He is going to be in the shadows orchestrating things for a while yet

EDIT: as if he’d ever be in the shadows, but you know what I mean

[Insane_Homer]

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[Uncle fester]

The Trump supporters have yet to riot, so they are unboarding the shop fronts.

They'd need popular support to risk open brazen actions like that but I fully expect targeted stuff like the Michigan governor plot.

I think the notion that the Trump supporters are the ones showing restraint is a little premature.

Watching the BBC and hearing the suggestion repeated that Trump's election victory has been snatched through foul play, I'm inclined to think that Trump is hoping to orchestrate an insurrection.

I doubt it would work, but who knows?

You're assuming that all 70 million people who voted for him believe the nonsense about election fraud. Of the ones that do, am even smaller number would support open violence over it.

[Uncle fester]

They'd need popular support to risk open brazen actions like that but I fully expect targeted stuff like the Michigan governor plot.

I think the notion that the Trump supporters are the ones showing restraint is a little premature.

Watching the BBC and hearing the suggestion repeated that Trump's election victory has been snatched through foul play, I'm inclined to think that Trump is hoping to orchestrate an insurrection.

I doubt it would work, but who knows?

I mean there was a bomb threat in Philadelphia where they were counting ballots, and people arrested as it was reported they were on their way to attack an election location.

Rioting is open and brazen. People might be able to identify them in news coverage. Seeing how many people declined to state they would be voting trump in opinion polls, I doubt those same people will now go out on the streets and then riot.

But I do expect the fanatics to try and usher in the civil war that trump appears to be trying to provoke. Would trump be brazen enough to reverse the "stand by and stand down" instruction to the likes of the proud boys?

[ASMO]

NRA right on schedule to drive up sales for their biggest donors.

Response is pretty good though.

Love it!

Fucking Gravy Seal, would shit himself if someone armed and trained walked up and knocked on his door.

[JM2K6]

Someone didn't watch the video

[TB63]

Someone didn't watch the video

[obelixtim]

He's fucking losing it...

Anyone would think the US is the only country capable of developing a vaccine.

[Woddy]

Perhaps better for a wider fred, but seeing as this one has become the de facto for (at times) serious political discussion within and without the US, I thought this might be of interest, especially to the likes of Fonzee and Le Frog: https://www.newstatesman.com/world/2020 ... al-parties

It's a comparison of political parties from around the world on various issues and only really starts with a GOP vs RoW comparison before looking at other systems. You can hover over the graphs to make them concentrate on e.g. "conservative" parties to see just how much those vary on issues.

[Rinkals]

Perhaps better for a wider fred, but seeing as this one has become the de facto for (at times) serious political discussion within and without the US, I thought this might be of interest, especially to the likes of Fonzee and Le Frog: https://www.newstatesman.com/world/2020 ... al-parties

It's a comparison of political parties from around the world on various issues and only really starts with a GOP vs RoW comparison before looking at other systems. You can hover over the graphs to make them concentrate on e.g. "conservative" parties to see just how much those vary on issues.

Jesus Christ!

Reading that, it appears that the US is just a smidgen away from becoming a full-blown Communist State under Biden?

Unbelievable.

In the truest sense of the word.