President Trump and US politics catchall

[Saint]

I see Wayne County finally decided to certify the election results

[Hal Jordan]

I see Wayne County finally decided to certify the election results

About 10 minutes before Trump was claiming the non-certification was PROOF on Twitter and whilst McEnany was bigging it up with Sean Hannity.

[Hal Jordan]

Another day, another cunt lawsuit, this time against the elector for the state of Nevada. Apparently she is a veteran so that will go down well.

How easily the veneer of democracy is exposed as nigh on impotent when faced with someone who is willing to defy the unwritten rules and use the actual rulebook as toilet paper.

And why the fuck does it take three bloody months to get rid of a President?

[Un Pilier]

Another day, another cunt lawsuit, this time against the elector for the state of Nevada. Apparently she is a veteran so that will go down well.

How easily the veneer of democracy is exposed as nigh on impotent when faced with someone who is willing to defy the unwritten rules and use the actual rulebook as toilet paper.

And why the fuck does it take three bloody months to get rid of a President?

That’s a benefit of the UK model permanent Civil Service, much maligned as it sometimes is. Changes of government can be accommodated relatively seamlessly. More difficult under a presidential system, of course, but the US does seem to make it unduly complicated - partly as a result of the protracted period for certification of election results.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Pennsylvania Supreme Court labels the actions of Team Trump misguided as they throw out the Trump legal challenge in a 5-2 decision, and it'd be worth making clear the 2 dissenters didn't agree with Trump, they just thought the decision was in essence already decided in federal court and the dispute is moot.

[Slick]

He is looking really unhinged today.

Looking at his tweets there doesn’t seem to be anywhere near the support he was getting a week ago, think even his supporters are boring of this

[Uncle fester]

I see Wayne County finally decided to certify the election results

A good read on the efforts to disenfranchise democratic voting African Americans with historical background.

[fishfoodie]

Hopefully voters from minorities, learn the lesson from 2016, & get out & vote in future elections in the same & greater numbers.

If you don't exercise your franchise; you can't complain if you end up with a racist pumpkin; telling the Police it's okay to shot minorities, without consequence; & how migrants are rapists & drug dealers.

[Thor Sedan]

It seems like the number of voices supporting trump are dwindling - but boy oh boy are the ones remaining getting louder!

It is almost like this moment in time is an educational moment showing the world how 1930's/40's Germany happened. The similarities between Hitler and trumps rhetoric is frightening. The use of straight up propaganda, patriotism and 'unite against a common enemy' is the same play book.

Even my boss who is a pretty well educated guy but grew up in Louisiana is talking about the apparent election steal and wondering how Biden wins when he couldn't get more than 20 people to a rally at a time. I made the mistake of offering up my opinion on why Biden choose to move away from the mass rallies in the time of a pandemic....didn't go down well. Strangely enough he is an active Christian, big hunter, pro guns constitution loving straight white man - which word for word is pretty much every twitter bio for a male trump support.

[Gumboot]

Where in the States do you live, Thor?

[Ted.]

Hopefully voters from minorities, learn the lesson from 2016, & get out & vote in future elections in the same & greater numbers.

If you don't exercise your franchise; you can't complain if you end up with a racist pumpkin; telling the Police it's okay to shot minorities, without consequence; & how migrants are rapists & drug dealers.

That may well be so, but it can only be necessary in a fundamentally racist setting.

[JM2K6]

Hopefully voters from minorities, learn the lesson from 2016, & get out & vote in future elections in the same & greater numbers.

If you don't exercise your franchise; you can't complain if you end up with a racist pumpkin; telling the Police it's okay to shot minorities, without consequence; & how migrants are rapists & drug dealers.

That may well be so, but it can only be necessary in a fundamentally racist setting.

I mean, it's odd to use this as a stick to beat minorities with: they're the ones dealing with racism, huges amounts of voter suppression, likely to be impacted more by poverty and COVID, etc in order to get out and vote. With so many things stacked up against them they absolutely have the right to fuck it all into a bin and walk away from the "democratic" process. It's the white people voting for the racist that are the problem.

I mean shit, "telling the Police it's okay to shoot minorities" if they don't vote? Come on - the protests made it clear what they thought. And then they had to vote for someone who was lukewarm on the protests. Woopie.

[fishfoodie]

Hopefully voters from minorities, learn the lesson from 2016, & get out & vote in future elections in the same & greater numbers.

If you don't exercise your franchise; you can't complain if you end up with a racist pumpkin; telling the Police it's okay to shot minorities, without consequence; & how migrants are rapists & drug dealers.

That may well be so, but it can only be necessary in a fundamentally racist setting.

Of course.

The only way Texas gets held by the GOP, is by decades of disenfranchising minorities; the difference this year in Arizona, was in large part due to activists getting out the Latino vote; which had been similarly suppressed, with harassment by scum like Arpaio

[Thor Sedan]

Where in the States do you live, Thor?

I'm in the UK - but my boss is currently in Houston.

[Blake]

A rare event, a military coup to install the rightful winner, is on the cards.

No - he will concede within a week I reckon.

He will never concede...just like he has committed to never publicly apologise for anything EVER.
The moment he grovels his whole ego is shattered.

Even if he could be somehow forced into making a concession speech by his handlers, it will quickly devolve again and he will qualify every statement with something ambiguous that would contradict the very statement right before it.

Trump is playing a long game to stay relevant and extract more funds out of his supporters' pockets while he is in the news.

• The certification deadline for some states is only 8 December, so he'll keep going until then
• When that day comes and goes, he'll appeal to faithless electors, the media will go crazy and he'll stay in the news cycle a while still
• And when that is done, he'll keep his base all frothed up and energised for the Georgia Senate run-offs

He'll keep kicking and screaming until 20 January, and hopefully on 21 January he'll be buried under a mountain of indictments.
If we are lucky his legal issues will dominate the conservative media ecosystem which will allow the new Biden administration to go about their business.

[TB63]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Listen right to the end <a href="https://t.co/Hb4aF3WTw6">pic.twitter.co ... </p>&mdash; Richard Benyon (@RichardHRBenyon) <a href=" 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Sandstorm]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Listen right to the end <a href="https://t.co/Hb4aF3WTw6">pic.twitter.co ... </p>&mdash; Richard Benyon (@RichardHRBenyon) <a href=" 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Your just gelous

[yermum]

some elaborate wind up surely?

The ending just pushes the credibility too much.

[Rinkals]

It seems that the right wing press are pinning their hopes on invalidating enough of the electoral college votes to force the twelfth amendment so that it goes to a vote in Congress. Which, with the way that the votes are set up, would give Trump his second term.

[Saint]

And now the Wayne County pair want to rescind their certification

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Hopefully voters from minorities, learn the lesson from 2016, & get out & vote in future elections in the same & greater numbers.

If you don't exercise your franchise; you can't complain if you end up with a racist pumpkin; telling the Police it's okay to shot minorities, without consequence; & how migrants are rapists & drug dealers.

That may well be so, but it can only be necessary in a fundamentally racist setting.

I mean, it's odd to use this as a stick to beat minorities with: they're the ones dealing with racism, huges amounts of voter suppression, likely to be impacted more by poverty and COVID, etc in order to get out and vote. With so many things stacked up against them they absolutely have the right to fuck it all into a bin and walk away from the "democratic" process. It's the white people voting for the racist that are the problem.

I mean shit, "telling the Police it's okay to shoot minorities" if they don't vote? Come on - the protests made it clear what they thought. And then they had to vote for someone who was lukewarm on the protests. Woopie.

So get involved in nominating the candidate. And btw, the candidate wasn't the candidate until the primaries hit Carolina and a certain group voted in huge numbers for Biden

[fishfoodie]

And now the Wayne County pair want to rescind their certification

Wouldn't this mean that they committed a criminal offence by swearing the certification in the first place ?

Are they really prepared to face the consequence of that ?

[Saint]

And now the Wayne County pair want to rescind their certification

Wouldn't this mean that they committed a criminal offence by swearing the certification in the first place ?

Are they really prepared to face the consequence of that ?

Well, beside the fact that there's no actual mechanism for them to withdraw the certification, they're claiming bullying, coercion, and poor legal advice.

A call directly from Trump didn't have anything to do with it at all

[TB63]

some elaborate wind up surely?

The ending just pushes the credibility too much.

Sadly, there are too many of these examples to dispute the fact the Trump supporters are as thick as fuck..

[Ovals]

Georgia has reaffirmed Biden as the winner there. Margin changed by just 0.0099%.

[Rinkals]

some elaborate wind up surely?

The ending just pushes the credibility too much.

Sadly, there are too many of these examples to dispute the fact the Trump supporters are as thick as fuck..

Hold on.

Are we allowed to say that now?

Didn't we decide that Trump supporters are rational and intelligent people who happen to see that Biden is just as corrupt, just as prone to nepotism but older and more infirm with the certainty that he won't last beyond the first few months of his Presidency, leaving Harris and the squad in charge and free to implement a socialist agenda and take away their guns?

[Kiwias]

And now the Wayne County pair want to rescind their certification

Wouldn't this mean that they committed a criminal offence by swearing the certification in the first place ?

Are they really prepared to face the consequence of that ?

Well, beside the fact that there's no actual mechanism for them to withdraw the certification, they're claiming bullying, coercion, and poor legal advice.

A call directly from Trump didn't have anything to do with it at all

A good description of the call from Trump.

[Biffer]

some elaborate wind up surely?

The ending just pushes the credibility too much.

Sadly, there are too many of these examples to dispute the fact the Trump supporters are as thick as fuck..

Hold on.

Are we allowed to say that now?

Didn't we decide that Trump supporters are rational and intelligent people who happen to see that Biden is just as corrupt, just as prone to nepotism but older and more infirm with the certainty that he won't last beyond the first few months of his Presidency, leaving Harris and the squad in charge and free to implement a socialist agenda and take away their guns?

Nope, I don't think we did.

[Gumboot]

Has a demonic curse descended on Republican hair? Rudy's hair appears to be melting off his head, Trump's hair has mysteriously morphed from a lustrous lion into a silver fox, and flies find Mike Pence's cupcake frosting look sexually arousing. WTF is going on?

[Hal Jordan]

As funny as Rudy's Jean-Baptiste Emmanuel Zorg impression is, and as mad as Trump is, the fact is that we're still witnessing an attempted coup and the Republican Party is entirely complicit in it by its failure to even vaguely harrumph at proceedings.

[SaintK]

As funny as Rudy's Jean-Baptiste Emmanuel Zorg impression is, and as mad as Trump is, the fact is that we're still witnessing an attempted coup and the Republican Party is entirely complicit in it by its failure to even vaguely harrumph at proceedings.

The world's greatest democracy................my arse!!

[sturginho]

Wouldn't this mean that they committed a criminal offence by swearing the certification in the first place ?

Are they really prepared to face the consequence of that ?

Well, beside the fact that there's no actual mechanism for them to withdraw the certification, they're claiming bullying, coercion, and poor legal advice.

A call directly from Trump didn't have anything to do with it at all

A good description of the call from Trump.

He called "to make sure they were safe" a mafia tactic if ever there was one

[Rinkals]

Sadly, there are too many of these examples to dispute the fact the Trump supporters are as thick as fuck..

Hold on.

Are we allowed to say that now?

Didn't we decide that Trump supporters are rational and intelligent people who happen to see that Biden is just as corrupt, just as prone to nepotism but older and more infirm with the certainty that he won't last beyond the first few months of his Presidency, leaving Harris and the squad in charge and free to implement a socialist agenda and take away their guns?

Nope, I don't think we did.

Well, I'm pretty sure that Fangle and Fonz won the day with their insistence that we don't call them idiots.

Or am I wrong about that, too?

[Jimmy Smallsteps]

Morons. Trump supporters are mouth breathing, drooling morons.

[Biffer]

Hold on.

Are we allowed to say that now?

Didn't we decide that Trump supporters are rational and intelligent people who happen to see that Biden is just as corrupt, just as prone to nepotism but older and more infirm with the certainty that he won't last beyond the first few months of his Presidency, leaving Harris and the squad in charge and free to implement a socialist agenda and take away their guns?

Nope, I don't think we did.

Well, I'm pretty sure that Fangle and Fonz won the day with their insistence that we don't call them idiots.

Or am I wrong about that, too?

there's a difference between agreeing not to call someone names and agreeing that they don't deserve to be called those names

[Rinkals]

Very true.

There's a serious point behind my flippancy here; namely that people who one would normally see as intelligent are apparently being sucked into the notion that Trump wasn't a bad President. I'm remembering statements on here where Trump's handling of the Pandemic was deemed to be better than most Western Governments.

[Biffer]

Very true.

There's a serious point behind my flippancy here; namely that people who one would normally see as intelligent are apparently being sucked into the notion that Trump wasn't a bad President. I'm remembering statements on here where Trump's handling of the Pandemic was deemed to be better than most Western Governments.

My personal opinion is that those kinds of comments usually come from people who are obsessed with 'big government' being the root of all ills. They believe the economic damage done by the pandemic is due to government lockdowns or other restrictions, rather than the damage being due to the pandemic. Some of them seem to genuinely think that if we hadn't put travel restrictions, lockdowns etc in place, the pubs would still be full, flights would still be depositing the same number of tourists doing exactly what they did in previous years, etc. It's such an incredible disconnect.

Now, I don't for a second claim that some government action has damaged economies more than other actions, but every policy maker was feeling in the dark at the start of this. It seems to me the countries that have done the least damage to their economy are the ones who adopted the 'go hard, go early' approach, but that's a more general impression from the economy numbers etc and we'll see how that pans out in the longer term. the unfortunate thing is that politics everywhere now is so bound by the need to be seen as strong and able to get it right first time, that the no one seems willing or able to change their approach to imitate the more successful policies from earlier in the pandemic.

[Torquemada 1420]

the unfortunate thing is that politics everywhere now is so bound by the need to be seen as strong and able to get it right first time, that the no one seems willing or able to change their approach to imitate the more successful policies from earlier in the pandemic.

Yup.

[Sandstorm]

the unfortunate thing is that politics everywhere now is so bound by the need to be seen as strong and able to get it right first time, that the no one seems willing or able to change their approach to imitate the more successful policies from earlier in the pandemic.

Yup.

I dunno. UK has "gone hard, gone early" now to try to get things back to a better situation before Xmas. But that seems to be a terrible idea in 1/3 of the population's minds too.
Damned if you do, Boris/Nicola.....

[Biffer]

the unfortunate thing is that politics everywhere now is so bound by the need to be seen as strong and able to get it right first time, that the no one seems willing or able to change their approach to imitate the more successful policies from earlier in the pandemic.

Yup.

I dunno. UK has "gone hard, gone early" now to try to get things back to a better situation before Xmas. But that seems to be a terrible idea in 1/3 of the population's minds too.
Damned if you do, Boris/Nicola.....

Nah, they didn't really. If we'd done that we would have gone into pretty sever restrictions in early September.