NZ'er at 9,11,12
Saffer at 4,6
The bench:
English in jersey 22
Scot in jersey 19
Saffer in jersey 16.
Ozzie in jersey 18
Farcical
Irelands starting 15 for tomorrow is 33% Southern Hemisphere born.
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Big Nipper
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Yeah that is nuts. Surely it is time to do something about it
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Jimmy Smallsteps
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If that's acceptable to them, then it should be acceptable to the rest of us.
They've obviously satisfied the residency criteria.
They've obviously satisfied the residency criteria.
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Hellraiser
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Niegs wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:06 pm Must suck to be an Irish kid coming through the ranks with the regional pro teams.
Ceterum censeo delendam esse Muscovia
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clydecloggie
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Don't think so no. Around the time of the "Scottish United Nations" jibes, did we ever go as far as to put 5 project players in the starting XV?tc27 wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:00 pm Does anyone in tier 1 have the moral high ground on this anymore?
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Uncle fester
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They all poach the bloody English for them too!
https://www.alexander-dennis.com/produc ... n-coaches/
“It was a pet, not an animal. It had a name, you don't eat things with names, this is horrific!”
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Hal Jordan
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Meh, have boots, will travel. Immigration works!
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Steve
Imagine James Lowe trying to give the Pablo Matera speech to the ref this week
“ I’m not playing for my country, this is not respect“
“ I’m not playing for my country, this is not respect“
They already have. Five year residency kicking in next year.Big Nipper wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:42 pm Yeah that is nuts. Surely it is time to do something about it
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
Not sure any sport is much different. It's what it is, do you make someone play for where he happens to be born or where he chooses to live? I do believe you need residency rules ie 5 years etc, but if you spend the first 6 months or few years of your life, should you have to play for that country.Hugo wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:32 pm International rugby is such a bastardised sport nowadays, its sad. The credibility of the sport has been devalued by lax eligibility requirements.
The 5 year rule hasn't kicked in yet, once it does I think most of these issues will go away. 5 years is a long time for a professional rugby player, usually three contracts. It does actually require a significant commitment.Dan54 wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:45 pmNot sure any sport is much different. It's what it is, do you make someone play for where he happens to be born or where he chooses to live? I do believe you need residency rules ie 5 years etc, but if you spend the first 6 months or few years of your life, should you have to play for that country.Hugo wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:32 pm International rugby is such a bastardised sport nowadays, its sad. The credibility of the sport has been devalued by lax eligibility requirements.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
It's farcical enough without you having to make shit up!Steve wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:35 pm NZ'er at 9,11,12
Saffer at 4,6
The bench:
English in jersey 22
Scot in jersey 19
Saffer in jersey 16.
Ozzie in jersey 18
Farcical
And for what its worth, Burns, Herring and Bealham have all been qualified since birth.
Thankfully we wont be seeing this level of shenanigans into the future.
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Steve
Ian Henderson my apologies . Wiki’d the wrong bloke of same name 
Although Northern Ireland .............that’s England innit
Although Northern Ireland .............that’s England innit
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sockwithaticket
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Really, I know Underhill was born in the USA from when he played for the Ospreys.
So there are probably a few more
A Mike Catt type scenario where someone with eligibility from birth (through a parent) who then emigrates to that country seems reasonable. No-one in the RFU was deviously pulling strings to get him into the country so that he could get an England cap. He wasn't poached.Dan54 wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:45 pmNot sure any sport is much different. It's what it is, do you make someone play for where he happens to be born or where he chooses to live? I do believe you need residency rules ie 5 years etc, but if you spend the first 6 months or few years of your life, should you have to play for that country.Hugo wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:32 pm International rugby is such a bastardised sport nowadays, its sad. The credibility of the sport has been devalued by lax eligibility requirements.
It's the situations where the player has absolutely no genetic or historical connection to their adopted nation and qualifies solely as a consequence of having lived there for x number of years that to me undermines the point of international rugby.
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Steve
The likes of O Gara ( Miami ) or Heaslip ( Israel ) are fine obviously . born abroad as daddy had a job on . The project player stuff is vomit inducing .
The likes of James Lowe are not ok. It’s silly. I seen him doing the haka in a Maori Allblacks jersey for fuck sake.
He’s of Maori descent ! He played for NZ schools .
The likes of James Lowe are not ok. It’s silly. I seen him doing the haka in a Maori Allblacks jersey for fuck sake.
He’s of Maori descent ! He played for NZ schools .
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sockwithaticket
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Because the Quins - Exeter game isn't particularly stimulating I just quickly googled them all and Underhill and the Vunipolae are the only ones.C69 wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:00 pmReally, I know Underhill was born in the USA from when he played for the Ospreys.
So there are probably a few more
Found out the Joseph was born in Derby. Quite the surprise given how RP his accent is.
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Monkey Magic
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Also the likes of Shields and Heinz are a jokeSteve wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:04 pm The likes of O Gara ( Miami ) or Heaslip ( Israel ) are fine obviously . born abroad as daddy had a job on . The project player stuff is vomit inducing .
The likes of James Lowe are not ok. It’s silly. I seen him doing the haka in a Maori Allblacks jersey for fuck sake.
He’s of Maori descent ! He played for NZ schools .
I agree that the ones who are so called project players, but I don't see ie as anymore crap than the Grandparent rule, FFS if your greatgrandparents were visiting some country, and had a kid born there that makes him able to play for them, and I don't even like the parent rule much, it should be where you live or have lived the majority of your life. Grandparent rule still means someone can play for any of up to 7 countries!!
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Carter's Choice
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The grandparent rule is an absolute farce. It exists solely to benefit the Home Nations. It effectively means that almost every white male in NZ or Australia would be eligible for one of the Home Nations. I'm Samoan and half New Zealander and I'd be eligible for Scotland because my mum's Dad was part Scottish. Never been to Scotland or felt in any way Scottish but I could pull on a Scottish test jersey tomorrow if I was good enough. That's a farce.Dan54 wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:55 am I agree that the ones who are so called project players, but I don't see ie as anymore crap than the Grandparent rule, FFS if your greatgrandparents were visiting some country, and had a kid born there that makes him able to play for them, and I don't even like the parent rule much, it should be where you live or have lived the majority of your life. Grandparent rule still means someone can play for any of up to 7 countries!!