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[fishfoodie]

Extremely happy that Grosjean is fine, but what was he thinking turning sharp right like that?

I think you'd see moves like this in the mid-field every race, it's just that this time the outcome from a minor bump, was so spectacular

The slow-mo from his camera shows the enormous amount of information a driver has to process at the start, & when the cars are going thru the first few corners. He had cars off the track on both his left & his right; he knew the one on his left would rejoin right in front of him, & he also had a bit of debris flying off the tracing point coming right at his front right wheel.

His team mate was in front on his right, & he had a gap that looked just big enough behind him .. so he went for it. All of this happened in blink of an eye, & at >150 mph

In most races he might have gotten away with a rear flat, & whoever was behind him, a damaged front wing, but this time his angle & the position on the track, speared him into the armco.

[Saint]

Extremely happy that Grosjean is fine, but what was he thinking turning sharp right like that?

I think you'd see moves like this in the mid-field every race, it's just that this time the outcome from a minor bump, was so spectacular

The slow-mo from his camera shows the enormous amount of information a driver has to process at the start, & when the cars are going thru the first few corners. He had cars off the track on both his left & his right; he knew the one on his left would rejoin right in front of him, & he also had a bit of debris flying off the tracing point coming right at his front right wheel.

His team mate was in front on his right, & he had a gap that looked just big enough behind him .. so he went for it. All of this happened in blink of an eye, & at >150 mph

In most races he might have gotten away with a rear flat, & whoever was behind him, a damaged front wing, but this time his angle & the position on the track, speared him into the armco.

The trouble being that Grosjean has a bit of a record for screw ups - this time he may have been completely innocent (and I am yet to be convinced), but you can understand why people are asking questions

[Saint]

Bit if an unusual career so far for the latest Fittipaldi. Some Nascar, bit of Indy, Formula Renault, an underwhelming F2 experience, and some DTM. Quute a lot for a 24 year old, mind

[fishfoodie]

Extremely happy that Grosjean is fine, but what was he thinking turning sharp right like that?

I think you'd see moves like this in the mid-field every race, it's just that this time the outcome from a minor bump, was so spectacular

The slow-mo from his camera shows the enormous amount of information a driver has to process at the start, & when the cars are going thru the first few corners. He had cars off the track on both his left & his right; he knew the one on his left would rejoin right in front of him, & he also had a bit of debris flying off the tracing point coming right at his front right wheel.

His team mate was in front on his right, & he had a gap that looked just big enough behind him .. so he went for it. All of this happened in blink of an eye, & at >150 mph

In most races he might have gotten away with a rear flat, & whoever was behind him, a damaged front wing, but this time his angle & the position on the track, speared him into the armco.

The trouble being that Grosjean has a bit of a record for screw ups - this time he may have been completely innocent (and I am yet to be convinced), but you can understand why people are asking questions

Oh for sure, he's always an accident waiting to happen , but 999 times out of a thousand, this would just have been another racing incident, & it wouldn't even have registered.

Do you know Saint if the telemetry from the cars is continuously uploaded, or is it a burst as they go by the pitlane ?

I ask because looking at the shell of the car, I wonder if they'll get anything useful from whats left.

[Kawazaki]

I think you'd see moves like this in the mid-field every race, it's just that this time the outcome from a minor bump, was so spectacular

The slow-mo from his camera shows the enormous amount of information a driver has to process at the start, & when the cars are going thru the first few corners. He had cars off the track on both his left & his right; he knew the one on his left would rejoin right in front of him, & he also had a bit of debris flying off the tracing point coming right at his front right wheel.

His team mate was in front on his right, & he had a gap that looked just big enough behind him .. so he went for it. All of this happened in blink of an eye, & at >150 mph

In most races he might have gotten away with a rear flat, & whoever was behind him, a damaged front wing, but this time his angle & the position on the track, speared him into the armco.

The trouble being that Grosjean has a bit of a record for screw ups - this time he may have been completely innocent (and I am yet to be convinced), but you can understand why people are asking questions

Oh for sure, he's always an accident waiting to happen , but 999 times out of a thousand, this would just have been another racing incident, & it wouldn't even have registered.

Do you know Saint if the telemetry from the cars is continuously uploaded, or is it a burst as they go by the pitlane ?

I ask because looking at the shell of the car, I wonder if they'll get anything useful from whats left.

I'm fairly certain the data is instantly and continuously relayed back from the car to the pitwall throughout the lap.

[Saint]

I think you'd see moves like this in the mid-field every race, it's just that this time the outcome from a minor bump, was so spectacular

The slow-mo from his camera shows the enormous amount of information a driver has to process at the start, & when the cars are going thru the first few corners. He had cars off the track on both his left & his right; he knew the one on his left would rejoin right in front of him, & he also had a bit of debris flying off the tracing point coming right at his front right wheel.

His team mate was in front on his right, & he had a gap that looked just big enough behind him .. so he went for it. All of this happened in blink of an eye, & at >150 mph

In most races he might have gotten away with a rear flat, & whoever was behind him, a damaged front wing, but this time his angle & the position on the track, speared him into the armco.

The trouble being that Grosjean has a bit of a record for screw ups - this time he may have been completely innocent (and I am yet to be convinced), but you can understand why people are asking questions

Oh for sure, he's always an accident waiting to happen , but 999 times out of a thousand, this would just have been another racing incident, & it wouldn't even have registered.

Do you know Saint if the telemetry from the cars is continuously uploaded, or is it a burst as they go by the pitlane ?

I ask because looking at the shell of the car, I wonder if they'll get anything useful from whats left.

It's instant. They have a final reported closing speed to the barrier for instance, what they need to do us to work out exactly which frame on the various camera recordings it aligns to. That final speed was in excess of 135mph

There will be a LOT of data to plough through

Edit - and while the front end looked like a disaster after being covered with flame retardant, I suspect that mechanically there's a lot of clues - and the rear looked in good nick (relatively speaking). There's quite a few questions to be asked about why the car split like that, and at least one question about the barrier

[fishfoodie]

The trouble being that Grosjean has a bit of a record for screw ups - this time he may have been completely innocent (and I am yet to be convinced), but you can understand why people are asking questions

Oh for sure, he's always an accident waiting to happen , but 999 times out of a thousand, this would just have been another racing incident, & it wouldn't even have registered.

Do you know Saint if the telemetry from the cars is continuously uploaded, or is it a burst as they go by the pitlane ?

I ask because looking at the shell of the car, I wonder if they'll get anything useful from whats left.

It's instant. They have a final reported closing speed to the barrier for instance, what they need to do us to work out exactly which frame on the various camera recordings it aligns to. That final speed was in excess of 135mph

There will be a LOT of data to plough through

Edit - and while the front end looked like a disaster after being covered with flame retardant, I suspect that mechanically there's a lot of clues - and the rear looked in good nick (relatively speaking). There's quite a few questions to be asked about why the car split like that, and at least one question about the barrier

Cheers Gents I figured as much, but wasn't sure.

One additional question will be around the quality of the marshals. At the time I pointed out that some of them weren't particularly useful; & now I see that one of the prats ran across the track in front of Lando, to the fire in Perez's car.

I'd recommend that someone digs out the pictures of the remains of the poor sod that tried that down in Kyalami; & they show anyone who wants to be a marshal, what happens when an F1 car & a human torso collide.

[Saint]

Oh for sure, he's always an accident waiting to happen , but 999 times out of a thousand, this would just have been another racing incident, & it wouldn't even have registered.

Do you know Saint if the telemetry from the cars is continuously uploaded, or is it a burst as they go by the pitlane ?

I ask because looking at the shell of the car, I wonder if they'll get anything useful from whats left.

It's instant. They have a final reported closing speed to the barrier for instance, what they need to do us to work out exactly which frame on the various camera recordings it aligns to. That final speed was in excess of 135mph

There will be a LOT of data to plough through

Edit - and while the front end looked like a disaster after being covered with flame retardant, I suspect that mechanically there's a lot of clues - and the rear looked in good nick (relatively speaking). There's quite a few questions to be asked about why the car split like that, and at least one question about the barrier

Cheers Gents I figured as much, but wasn't sure.

One additional question will be around the quality of the marshals. At the time I pointed out that some of them weren't particularly useful; & now I see that one of the prats ran across the track in front of Lando, to the fire in Perez's car.

I'd recommend that someone digs out the pictures of the remains of the poor sod that tried that down in Kyalami; & they show anyone who wants to be a marshal, what happens when an F1 car & a human torso collide.

There's already been comments about the marshalls from FIA. A large part of the issue us that at circuits that operate near full time, these guys are effectively professions - mainly the European circuits, but some others. But at others, they are at best enthusiastic amateurs. There simply aren't enough race days if some form or other to keep them up to speed

[Mr Bungle]

Just googled Kyalami, dear god...

[fishfoodie]

There's already been comments about the marshalls from FIA. A large part of the issue us that at circuits that operate near full time, these guys are effectively professions - mainly the European circuits, but some others. But at others, they are at best enthusiastic amateurs. There simply aren't enough race days if some form or other to keep them up to speed

Like I say; safety is never; "Done".

It's a good conversation to have; & while it's a great part of motorsport; that enthusiasts can participate; but that doesn't remove the need for a certain level of ability to do the job. One bloke at the scene obviously hadn't seen his feet in a couple of decades; so it's questionable what use he would have been, if Grosjean needed help getting out of the car.

There's no problem having amateurs do the job; but there needs to a basic level of skills here, & basic level of fitness. i.e. if you can't cover 50m lugging a full extinguisher in 15-20 seconds, you get a crowd control job, & you certainly aren't the 1st person on the scene if a driver is in Grosjeans situation.

It's not all about fitness either; when I was much younger, I was part of an Emergency response team, & like the bloke who ran across the track; I, on one occasion made a shit, snap decision, & put myself in a dangerous position. There needs to be a mix of experience & ability, in the marshaling posts; but fundamentally, the marshals need to have better training, & if they don't have regular experience, they need to be drilled to the point where the either drop out, or learn.

What's that saying about war; "99% boredom and 1% sheer terror”; if you want to be an F1 Marshal, you need to be someone who can stay awake thru the 99%, & be switched on, & useful, for the 1%

[Guy Smiley]

There's already been comments about the marshalls from FIA. A large part of the issue us that at circuits that operate near full time, these guys are effectively professions - mainly the European circuits, but some others. But at others, they are at best enthusiastic amateurs. There simply aren't enough race days if some form or other to keep them up to speed

Like I say; safety is never; "Done".

It's a good conversation to have; & while it's a great part of motorsport; that enthusiasts can participate; but that doesn't remove the need for a certain level of ability to do the job. One bloke at the scene obviously hadn't seen his feet in a couple of decades; so it's questionable what use he would have been, if Grosjean needed help getting out of the car.

There's no problem having amateurs do the job; but there needs to a basic level of skills here, & basic level of fitness. i.e. if you can't cover 50m lugging a full extinguisher in 15-20 seconds, you get a crowd control job, & you certainly aren't the 1st person on the scene if a driver is in Grosjeans situation.

It's not all about fitness either; when I was much younger, I was part of an Emergency response team, & like the bloke who ran across the track; I, on one occasion made a shit, snap decision, & put myself in a dangerous position. There needs to be a mix of experience & ability, in the marshaling posts; but fundamentally, the marshals need to have better training, & if they don't have regular experience, they need to be drilled to the point where the either drop out, or learn.

What's that saying about war; "99% boredom and 1% sheer terror”; if you want to be an F1 Marshal, you need to be someone who can stay awake thru the 99%, & be switched on, & useful, for the 1%

You’re making a few leaps there based on your own assumptions.

I work in a high risk environment that involves regular repetitive type questions to have emergency responses drilled in to the point you can make the right decision under duress. It would be silly to assume F1 doesn’t include a similar type of training and follow up for marshalls particularly. We generally see faultless responses from trackside officials... in this case one individual has run across the track (in the process becoming one of the first responders to a challenging incident) and you’re throwing a wide set of critiques at the sport in general, marshalls in particular. I don’t think that’s fair.

[fishfoodie]

There's already been comments about the marshalls from FIA. A large part of the issue us that at circuits that operate near full time, these guys are effectively professions - mainly the European circuits, but some others. But at others, they are at best enthusiastic amateurs. There simply aren't enough race days if some form or other to keep them up to speed

Like I say; safety is never; "Done".

It's a good conversation to have; & while it's a great part of motorsport; that enthusiasts can participate; but that doesn't remove the need for a certain level of ability to do the job. One bloke at the scene obviously hadn't seen his feet in a couple of decades; so it's questionable what use he would have been, if Grosjean needed help getting out of the car.

There's no problem having amateurs do the job; but there needs to a basic level of skills here, & basic level of fitness. i.e. if you can't cover 50m lugging a full extinguisher in 15-20 seconds, you get a crowd control job, & you certainly aren't the 1st person on the scene if a driver is in Grosjeans situation.

It's not all about fitness either; when I was much younger, I was part of an Emergency response team, & like the bloke who ran across the track; I, on one occasion made a shit, snap decision, & put myself in a dangerous position. There needs to be a mix of experience & ability, in the marshaling posts; but fundamentally, the marshals need to have better training, & if they don't have regular experience, they need to be drilled to the point where the either drop out, or learn.

What's that saying about war; "99% boredom and 1% sheer terror”; if you want to be an F1 Marshal, you need to be someone who can stay awake thru the 99%, & be switched on, & useful, for the 1%

You’re making a few leaps there based on your own assumptions.

I work in a high risk environment that involves regular repetitive type questions to have emergency responses drilled in to the point you can make the right decision under duress. It would be silly to assume F1 doesn’t include a similar type of training and follow up for marshalls particularly. We generally see faultless responses from trackside officials... in this case one individual has run across the track (in the process becoming one of the first responders to a challenging incident) and you’re throwing a wide set of critiques at the sport in general, marshalls in particular. I don’t think that’s fair.

No, I accept Saints point that there are tracks that see regular events, & their marshals, because they turn out every weekend, are understandably, more proficient that those at, say Singapore, or Qatar; where, one race weekend a year means they haven't a chance in hell of becoming proficient in anything.

If I only practice my French once a year, for one day; I can't claim to be fluent ?

As you say, proficiency !

This isn't mucking up an order for dinner in an restaurant; this is quite literally; life & death that rests on the ability of these marshalls.

[Saint]

Lewis Hamilton tests positive for COVID19 and will miss this weekend's race (and presumably the final weekend)

[Guy Smiley]

Didn’t see this one coming...

Hamilton is out of Bahrain, having tested positive for Covid-19.

I know several of the MotoGP paddock including Valentino Rossi have been hit by it this season but I think F1 had managed to steer clear.

[Bimbowomxn]

Didn’t see this one coming...

Hamilton is out of Bahrain, having tested positive for Covid-19.

I know several of the MotoGP paddock including Valentino Rossi have been hit by it this season but I think F1 had managed to steer clear.

Stroll got hit and Perez.

[Guy Smiley]

Oh that’s right...

I forgot about Stroll.


Again.

[MoreOrLess]

There's already been comments about the marshalls from FIA. A large part of the issue us that at circuits that operate near full time, these guys are effectively professions - mainly the European circuits, but some others. But at others, they are at best enthusiastic amateurs. There simply aren't enough race days if some form or other to keep them up to speed

Are they even that experienced in European circuits? They're almost all volunteers at Silverstone. The last time I was there for a GP the tannoy recruitment announcement suggested the only prerequisite was having marshalled at another BMRC event previously.

I assumed they were all enthusiastic amateurs with a day or 2s training before the weekend. Granted some will have been Marshalling for decades and have a lot of experience that they exercise once or twice a year.

[Insane_Homer]

[Sandstorm]

Lewis Hamilton tests positive for COVID19 and will miss this weekend's race (and presumably the final weekend)

Will Merc use a replacement driver or not bother?

[Insane_Homer]

Will Merc use a replacement driver or not bother?

edit:
some chatter suggests Stoffel, as due there this weekend for some other testing or something.
Would love it to be Hulk, also makes sense, he's driven last years car, was their second choice behind Hamilton and is German afterall.

[Saint]

There's already been comments about the marshalls from FIA. A large part of the issue us that at circuits that operate near full time, these guys are effectively professions - mainly the European circuits, but some others. But at others, they are at best enthusiastic amateurs. There simply aren't enough race days if some form or other to keep them up to speed

Are they even that experienced in European circuits? They're almost all volunteers at Silverstone. The last time I was there for a GP the tannoy recruitment announcement suggested the only prerequisite was having marshalled at another BMRC event previously.

I assumed they were all enthusiastic amateurs with a day or 2s training before the weekend. Granted some will have been Marshalling for decades and have a lot of experience that they exercise once or twice a year.

Most Mrshalls, especially those at the critical points of a circuit, will be doing 5-10 weekends a year + an annual refresher course in Europe. Whereas those at some of the "once a year" circuits will almost be a scratch squad each year, with a few imports from other circuits to provide a bit of "this is how it should work" type of experience

[Guy Smiley]

Will Merc use a replacement driver or not bother?

edit:
some chatter suggests Stoffel, as due there this weekend for some other testing or something.
Would love it to be Hulk, also makes sense, he's driven last years car, was their second choice behind Hamilton and is German afterall.

Just for shits and giggles they should give Mick Schumacher the drive.

[Saint]

Will Merc use a replacement driver or not bother?

edit:
some chatter suggests Stoffel, as due there this weekend for some other testing or something.
Would love it to be Hulk, also makes sense, he's driven last years car, was their second choice behind Hamilton and is German afterall.

Stoffel is the official reserve, Gutierrez is the sim driver. But some chatter that Russel may get the drive as it's a zero risk environment for Mercedes to see just how good he might be

[Saint]

Also pointed out - missing this race brings to an end the longest uninterrupted stretch of F1 appearances - 265 in total

[Insane_Homer]

[Insane_Homer]

[Sandstorm]

Hope he checks behind him before he starts those squats.

[Insane_Homer]

[Saint]

[Sandstorm]

Dude has personality. No chance he’ll get a drive in F1

[Saint]

George Russell going to get the seat provided Mercedes agree compensation and supply Williams a replacement driver they're happy with. Vandoorne may be driving for a different team than he was hoping for

[Lobby]

George Russell going to get the seat provided Mercedes agree compensation and supply Williams a replacement driver they're happy with. Vandoorne may be driving for a different team than he was hoping for

Russell might finally get his first points this season.

[Saint]

George Russell going to get the seat provided Mercedes agree compensation and supply Williams a replacement driver they're happy with. Vandoorne may be driving for a different team than he was hoping for

Russell might finally get his first points this season.

He'll spin out while leading by 20 seconds

[sturginho]

George Russell going to get the seat provided Mercedes agree compensation and supply Williams a replacement driver they're happy with. Vandoorne may be driving for a different team than he was hoping for

sauce?

[mos_eisely_]

Russell to drive for Mercedes, Jack Aitken to drive for Williams

[Insane_Homer]

Russell to drive for Mercedes, Jack Aitken to drive for Williams

[sturginho]

Nice

[sturginho]

Also:

[Saint]

George Russell going to get the seat provided Mercedes agree compensation and supply Williams a replacement driver they're happy with. Vandoorne may be driving for a different team than he was hoping for

sauce?

A friend whose been proven correct before and again this time - although I wasn't expecting Jack Aitken to get the nod. I didn't think he had a superlicense

[Insane_Homer]

after a plethora of memes on twitter yesterday of George doing PowerPoint presentations... Merc posted this today.