So, coronavirus...

[eldanielfire]

I guess a quick perusal of the voices coming out in favour of this would be one way of dispelling this - from medical establishment, to eminent professors, to the SNP etc. Weird to make everything about politics.

Because people pay so much attention to experts?

https://www.edition.cnn.com/world/live- ... 61cc364d44

“We have the gold standard of a regulatory approach with the FDA. The UK did not do it as carefully and they got a couple of days ahead,” he said. “I don't think that makes much difference. We'll be there. We'll be there very soon.”

It seems that not everyone is convinced that political interference is not the driver behind the rush to approval.

Not everyone is convinced Trump didn't have the 2020 election stolen from him or that Vaccinations are actually good and not the government trying to control people or something. But baseless, evidence-less conspiracies made-up just for partisan reasons are a poison on modern political discourse.

However it is a fact the FDA is not the gold standard in regulatory bodies. Look at the US food or drug industries FFS.

[Sandstorm]

I've stumbled on a few Anti-Vaxxer threads on FB news articles over the last few days.....

Jeebus....

Just look at the Daily Mail comments section if you fancy a good laugh/cry

12th century Cornwall is more Enlightened than some of those people.

[Paddington Bear]

I guess a quick perusal of the voices coming out in favour of this would be one way of dispelling this - from medical establishment, to eminent professors, to the SNP etc. Weird to make everything about politics.

Because people pay so much attention to experts?

https://www.edition.cnn.com/world/live- ... 61cc364d44

“We have the gold standard of a regulatory approach with the FDA. The UK did not do it as carefully and they got a couple of days ahead,” he said. “I don't think that makes much difference. We'll be there. We'll be there very soon.”

It seems that not everyone is convinced that political interference is not the driver behind the rush to approval.

Realistically you'd criticise the UK if we took longer than the Americans and the EU just as much as you're criticising us for being probably marginally ahead of them. Whenever anything involves the UK/England you start foaming at the mouth.

[Saint]

Because people pay so much attention to experts?

https://www.edition.cnn.com/world/live- ... 61cc364d44

“We have the gold standard of a regulatory approach with the FDA. The UK did not do it as carefully and they got a couple of days ahead,” he said. “I don't think that makes much difference. We'll be there. We'll be there very soon.”

It seems that not everyone is convinced that political interference is not the driver behind the rush to approval.

Not everyone is convinced Trump didn't have the 2020 election stolen from him or that Vaccinations are actually good and not the government trying to control people or something. But baseless, evidence-less conspiracies made-up just for partisan reasons are a poison on modern political discourse.

However it is a fact the FDA is not the gold standard in regulatory bodies. Look at the US food or drug industries FFS.

The FDA have a real problem to overcome in the US, which is that every time Donald opened his mouth saying that the vaccine was coming soon, public trust that the vaccine would be safe dropped. So they're looking for ways to re-instil at least some confidence in the general public that if they've approved it it will be safe. In that sense the UK fast-track approval is manna from heaven - "Look at the UK, cutting corners to rush the approval. But don't you worry, we're doing it properly. So when we sign off on it you can know it's safe"

[eldanielfire]

https://www.edition.cnn.com/world/live- ... 61cc364d44



It seems that not everyone is convinced that political interference is not the driver behind the rush to approval.

Not everyone is convinced Trump didn't have the 2020 election stolen from him or that Vaccinations are actually good and not the government trying to control people or something. But baseless, evidence-less conspiracies made-up just for partisan reasons are a poison on modern political discourse.

However it is a fact the FDA is not the gold standard in regulatory bodies. Look at the US food or drug industries FFS.

The FDA have a real problem to overcome in the US, which is that every time Donald opened his mouth saying that the vaccine was coming soon, public trust that the vaccine would be safe dropped. So they're looking for ways to re-instil at least some confidence in the general public that if they've approved it it will be safe. In that sense the UK fast-track approval is manna from heaven - "Look at the UK, cutting corners to rush the approval. But don't you worry, we're doing it properly. So when we sign off on it you can know it's safe"

By all accounts I've read the UK hasn't cut corners, just poured more resources at each stage to get it done faster and at EU standards. However the FDA have been poor on many issues long before they dealt with Trump's toxic influence.

[eldanielfire]

Because people pay so much attention to experts?

https://www.edition.cnn.com/world/live- ... 61cc364d44

“We have the gold standard of a regulatory approach with the FDA. The UK did not do it as carefully and they got a couple of days ahead,” he said. “I don't think that makes much difference. We'll be there. We'll be there very soon.”

It seems that not everyone is convinced that political interference is not the driver behind the rush to approval.

Realistically you'd criticise the UK if we took longer than the Americans and the EU just as much as you're criticising us for being probably marginally ahead of them. Whenever anything involves the UK/England you start foaming at the mouth.

It does seem to be the issue with the 'backlash' against the UK approving the vaccine. If the UK took longer it would be criticizing for being slower than the EU. Because the UK approved the Vaccine first, the backlash is it's taking credit for Turkish Scientists in Germany, despite Boris crediting international Scientists for the achievement yesterday in his evening briefing.

[Saint]

Not everyone is convinced Trump didn't have the 2020 election stolen from him or that Vaccinations are actually good and not the government trying to control people or something. But baseless, evidence-less conspiracies made-up just for partisan reasons are a poison on modern political discourse.

However it is a fact the FDA is not the gold standard in regulatory bodies. Look at the US food or drug industries FFS.

The FDA have a real problem to overcome in the US, which is that every time Donald opened his mouth saying that the vaccine was coming soon, public trust that the vaccine would be safe dropped. So they're looking for ways to re-instil at least some confidence in the general public that if they've approved it it will be safe. In that sense the UK fast-track approval is manna from heaven - "Look at the UK, cutting corners to rush the approval. But don't you worry, we're doing it properly. So when we sign off on it you can know it's safe"

By all accounts I've read the UK hasn't cut corners, just poured more resources at each stage to get it done faster and at EU standards. However the FDA have been poor on many issues long before they dealt with Trump's toxic influence.

I agree, in particular about the UK doing it right. For once, we appear to have been very pro-active about this stuff - rather than waiting till the ned for the study data and only starting the review process, it's been ongoing rolling reviews with inflight data. So by the time they get to the final data, they've already seen most of it and are happy. There's alos been a "whatever else you;re doing, drop it to do this" policy by the looks of it.


Really unusual for us, but I'll take it

[Longshanks]

I could have this wrong, but was the UK the first country in the world to buy the Pfizer vaccine?

[Saint]

I could have this wrong, but was the UK the first country in the world to buy the Pfizer vaccine?

First country to pre-order, yes

[Margin__Walker]

Gavin Williamson on the radio this morning. An actual child

[Longshanks]

I could have this wrong, but was the UK the first country in the world to buy the Pfizer vaccine?

First country to pre-order, yes

Thanks again Saint. You are the man!

[Longshanks]

Gavin Williamson on the radio this morning. An actual child

I won't believe till I hear it. Which radio?

[Margin__Walker]

Gavin Williamson on the radio this morning. An actual child

I won't believe till I hear it. Which radio?

There you go. A day after Sharma's leading the charge nonsense.

[Longshanks]

Gavin Williamson is a complete &$#^&!

[tabascoboy]

Gavin Williamson is a complete &$#^&!

It's like a 5 year old talking (GW I mean)

[Longshanks]

Gavin Williamson is a complete &$#^&!

It's like a 5 year old talking (GW I mean)

It is. Probably the worst trait in people is that of thinking they are better than others, openly declaring it takes it to another level. Nothing wrong with praising achievement in your own country, but not running down others. He's an embarrassment.

[SaintK]

Gavin Williamson is a complete &$#^&!

So far out of his depth that you can't even see him waving any more

[tabascoboy]

Gavin Williamson is a complete &$#^&!

So far out of his depth that you can't even see him waving any more

Not waving but drowning in a sea of his own shit

[Biffer]

It's not that surprising that the MHRA can move quickly on this. There's a good reason that the EMA was based in London - there's a big concentration of academic and medical expertise in the UK, one of the biggest concentrations in the world. And most of it is still there even though the EMA is gone. Easy access to the skills and knowledge you need for the process is going to make the process move more quickly, and provide a very good backbone of what can be looked at in advance. That doesn't mean that other countries couldn't do the same, it just means the UK is well placed to do it quickly, so it should be no surprise that we have.

[Bimbowomxn]

GW is a prick , but a German minister also openly said UK procedures were inferior than the EU yesterday, so they’re all at
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[C69]

Gavin Williamson on the radio this morning. An actual child

I won't believe till I hear it. Which radio?

There you go. A day after Sharma's leading the charge nonsense.

Typical Tory Brexiteer, if Farage had said this no one would have been surprised.
It's pathetic Conservative joingoism yet again.
I know politics is at a low ebb but ffs this right wing tit and his ilk in the government takes the biscuit.

[frodder]

Gavin Williamson is a complete &$#^&!

So far out of his depth that you can't even see him waving any more

Not waving but drowning in a sea of his own shit

Just watched 50% of the LBC clip, couldn't stomach the other half. Wtf has anyone got to do to get fired from that cabinet

[C69]

So far out of his depth that you can't even see him waving any more

Not waving but drowning in a sea of his own shit

Just watched 50% of the LBC clip, couldn't stomach the other half. Wtf has anyone got to do to get fired from that cabinet

Piss off Mata Hari it seems

[dpedin]

Not waving but drowning in a sea of his own shit

Just watched 50% of the LBC clip, couldn't stomach the other half. Wtf has anyone got to do to get fired from that cabinet

Piss off Mata Hari it seems

As long as he lets her chain him up, speak dirty to him, dig her heels into his arse and throw excrement all over him he will survive. He seems just the sort of chap to actually enjoy that sort of experience?

[SaintK]

So far out of his depth that you can't even see him waving any more

Not waving but drowning in a sea of his own shit

Just watched 50% of the LBC clip, couldn't stomach the other half. Wtf has anyone got to do to get fired from that cabinet

50%, well done!
There have been rumours that he will lose his seat in the Cabinet in a New Years reshuffle
Unfortunately as an ex Chief Whip he will know where a lot of bodies are buried and with Johnson's aversion to making decisions he will probably survive one way or another

[Biffer]

Not waving but drowning in a sea of his own shit

Just watched 50% of the LBC clip, couldn't stomach the other half. Wtf has anyone got to do to get fired from that cabinet

50%, well done!
There have been rumours that he will lose his seat in the Cabinet in a New Years reshuffle
Unfortunately as an ex Chief Whip he will know where a lot of bodies are buried and with Johnson's aversion to making decisions he will probably survive one way or another

I'd forgotten how much he sounds like Alan Bennet.

[SaintK]

Just watched 50% of the LBC clip, couldn't stomach the other half. Wtf has anyone got to do to get fired from that cabinet

50%, well done!
There have been rumours that he will lose his seat in the Cabinet in a New Years reshuffle
Unfortunately as an ex Chief Whip he will know where a lot of bodies are buried and with Johnson's aversion to making decisions he will probably survive one way or another

I'd forgotten how much he sounds like Alan Bennet.

If only he had 5% of the wit and intelligence of Alan Bennet

[Longshanks]

JVT sounded a bit negative when asked about a day we all could all throw away our masks and ditch the hand sanitizer
"Coronavirus will be with us forever" and the like. He's rolled back a bit from that now, saying Boris was correct to be more positive about how the vaccine will change things. I think JVT is now saying that because of what we have been through we will all be a bit more cautious in the future, with face masks and sanitizer being part of "normal" life. Not sure i completely agree with him though.

[Saint]

JVT sounded a bit negative when asked about a day we all could all throw away our masks and ditch the hand sanitizer
"Coronavirus will be with us forever" and the like. He's rolled back a bit from that now, saying Boris was correct to be more positive about how the vaccine will change things. I think JVT is now saying that because of what we have been through we will all be a bit more cautious in the future, with face masks and sanitizer being part of "normal" life. Not sure i completely agree with him though.

I think across Europe/USA I suspect that the hand sanization/hygiene awareness is probably a long term thing that will die off over time (2-3 years). Face masks will be gone as soon as the regulations permit

[frodder]

JVT sounded a bit negative when asked about a day we all could all throw away our masks and ditch the hand sanitizer
"Coronavirus will be with us forever" and the like. He's rolled back a bit from that now, saying Boris was correct to be more positive about how the vaccine will change things. I think JVT is now saying that because of what we have been through we will all be a bit more cautious in the future, with face masks and sanitizer being part of "normal" life. Not sure i completely agree with him though.

I think across Europe/USA I suspect that the hand sanization/hygiene awareness is probably a long term thing that will die off over time (2-3 years). Face masks will be gone as soon as the regulations permit

Amen to that bit

[Longshanks]

And while Coronavirus might be here forever, if the vaccine reduces transmission (which it probably does to an extent) then the virus R rate reduces. If below 1, the virus must die out eventually? Time will tell.

[Saint]

And while Coronavirus might be here forever, if the vaccine reduces transmission (which it probably does to an extent) then the virus R rate reduces. If below 1, the virus must die out eventually? Time will tell.

That's how herd immunity works. You get the number of vaccinated people up high enough then the r rate becomes low enough that even the un-vaccinated won't catch it. If you were to assume that the vaccination halts transmission then we hit somewhere around 65-70% vaccination/immunity and it's done (unless it mutates outside of the vaccination envelope). If it reduces transmission then you'll want/need a higher level of immunity

[Bimbowomxn]

JVT sounded a bit negative when asked about a day we all could all throw away our masks and ditch the hand sanitizer
"Coronavirus will be with us forever" and the like. He's rolled back a bit from that now, saying Boris was correct to be more positive about how the vaccine will change things. I think JVT is now saying that because of what we have been through we will all be a bit more cautious in the future, with face masks and sanitizer being part of "normal" life. Not sure i completely agree with him though.

JVT doesn’t really grasp humans. public health England have loved the puritanical stuff they’ve been allowed to try and pass as policy.

The swinging 20’s answers the question about will humans party when this is over.

[Lobby]

JVT sounded a bit negative when asked about a day we all could all throw away our masks and ditch the hand sanitizer
"Coronavirus will be with us forever" and the like. He's rolled back a bit from that now, saying Boris was correct to be more positive about how the vaccine will change things. I think JVT is now saying that because of what we have been through we will all be a bit more cautious in the future, with face masks and sanitizer being part of "normal" life. Not sure i completely agree with him though.

I think across Europe/USA I suspect that the hand sanization/hygiene awareness is probably a long term thing that will die off over time (2-3 years). Face masks will be gone as soon as the regulations permit

Amen to that bit

I wouldn’t mind if we became a bit more like some Far East countries where people wear face masks when they have a cold to avoid infecting others, but I agree that widespread use will be out as soon as possible.

[Bimbowomxn]

Remember folks it was JVT just a short while ago who claimed masks had no effect on the spread of covid. He’s presented no new science since.

[Monkey Magic]

I think across Europe/USA I suspect that the hand sanization/hygiene awareness is probably a long term thing that will die off over time (2-3 years). Face masks will be gone as soon as the regulations permit

Amen to that bit

I wouldn’t mind if we became a bit more like some Far East countries where people wear face masks when they have a cold to avoid infecting others, but I agree that widespread use will be out as soon as possible.

Its amazing how quickly people go back to normal.

Apart from the signing in with the tracer app and the now mandatory masks on public transport the only really lasting thing so far in NZ is finally people stay out of the office when sick

[Northern Lights]

We will be ditching home working ASAP too and lots of other business people I speak to are of a similar mind.

Tech has been good but not nearly as effective as everyone in the office imho.

[Bimbowomxn]

The chances are the Tories have jumped the shark.

[Longshanks]

Torygraph misleading readers again.
It is discussing the rapid lateral flow tests used in Liverpool and how they only picked up half the positive cases (which we knew before the roll out of the tests)

half of people who had coronavirus would wrongly believe they did not have the disease

No they wouldn't. You are informed before you take the test that is will only confirm if you are infectious, you may still have Covid so remain cautious, but it is highly unlikely you can infect anyone.

[Longshanks]

Bimbo
Doesn't the reduction of cases in Liverpool undermine your contention that if you're asymptomatic you can't infect others? The drop in cases in Liverpool is greater than other areas with similar infection rates. How would you explain?