So, coronavirus...
Different jobs will have different needs obviously, but in my work I always spent a lot of time at conferences and workshops or visiting other companies and organisations. I’m looking forward to doing that again, and having more freedom to work from home otherwise will be a great help in terms of the back-from-a-trip-late-night-Office-next-day shite. Working from home after having got home from Germany at 1030pm will be good. Also, where I’ve got two things close together in the US say, I can just stay for a week and work efficiently remotely without anyone questioning it. That was always a bit of a bugger before.
Still a way off from going back to that, probably 2022 before we’re back to a fuller schedule, but it'll happen.
Still a way off from going back to that, probably 2022 before we’re back to a fuller schedule, but it'll happen.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
See, I’ve always been quite ‘bursty’ as well, and I’ve found in the past that some wfh actually made me more productive. In one previous role we had to do at least one day a week from home and I found I got as much done in five hours that day as I’d get done in seven in the office.JM2K6 wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:20 am I've always struggled with WFH - in my role I spin a lot of plates and have to context switch constantly. In the office, I get a lot of work done, I am senior enough to interrupt people where necessary to get the right answers / right people fixing things, and my usual work style is very "bursty". At home I am surrounded by distractions, I miss the social interactions both from a mental health perspective and from a work efficiency perspective, and I don't manage to deal with the work in the same way. Lockdown & the office being shut even outside of lockdown has been a real challenge.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
I've worked from home for over 2 years now. I don't work 9-5, it doesn't suit the work I do. I usually start some time around 8.30-9.30, and will finish up around 22.30-23.00. However in between all that I'll not be working anywhere near to all the time. I can also work from anywhere there's an internet connection. It has meant that I've not really had a holiday in some time, as I tend to just keep working (hour in the morning, hour in the evening/night to keep basics ticking over) even when on holiday. The flexibility it gives though is brilliant. I can easily just drop everything and leave the house for a few hours during the day if I need to. Or when homeschooling could actually help my boy get setup with each stage of his schoolwork without issue.
Wouldn't work for everyone by any means, but it's comfortable for me.
Wouldn't work for everyone by any means, but it's comfortable for me.
Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
I worked for two global electronics companies for a combined 35 years and was contracted to work from home for all but a couple of years of that. My role was customer facing field based so was out and about a lot of the time but the flexibility it gave to my work/life balance was hugely positive both to me, my family and my employers. It took a little while to persuade some of the old dinosaur type senior managers that home based staff weren't "swinging the lead" and were actually productive but once that was achieved it was very successful for all concerned. Both company's were early adopters of communications and computer technologies so that helped no end.Biffer wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:24 amSee, I’ve always been quite ‘bursty’ as well, and I’ve found in the past that some wfh actually made me more productive. In one previous role we had to do at least one day a week from home and I found I got as much done in five hours that day as I’d get done in seven in the office.JM2K6 wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:20 am I've always struggled with WFH - in my role I spin a lot of plates and have to context switch constantly. In the office, I get a lot of work done, I am senior enough to interrupt people where necessary to get the right answers / right people fixing things, and my usual work style is very "bursty". At home I am surrounded by distractions, I miss the social interactions both from a mental health perspective and from a work efficiency perspective, and I don't manage to deal with the work in the same way. Lockdown & the office being shut even outside of lockdown has been a real challenge.
I'd have had it no other way
I genuinely think it's exposed a faultline in how I approach tasks in general (not just work stuff). Easier to keep on track in an office.Biffer wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:24 amSee, I’ve always been quite ‘bursty’ as well, and I’ve found in the past that some wfh actually made me more productive. In one previous role we had to do at least one day a week from home and I found I got as much done in five hours that day as I’d get done in seven in the office.JM2K6 wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:20 am I've always struggled with WFH - in my role I spin a lot of plates and have to context switch constantly. In the office, I get a lot of work done, I am senior enough to interrupt people where necessary to get the right answers / right people fixing things, and my usual work style is very "bursty". At home I am surrounded by distractions, I miss the social interactions both from a mental health perspective and from a work efficiency perspective, and I don't manage to deal with the work in the same way. Lockdown & the office being shut even outside of lockdown has been a real challenge.
<looks at the piles of unfinished hobby shit and brainwaves and chores and...>
And Moncef Slaoui has also been quite complimentary:Saint wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:14 am Slightly back on track, Fauci has apologised for any implication he may have made the the UK fudged the approval for the Pfizer vaccine
Britain’s MHRA was also praised on Wednesday by Moncef Slaoui, a former pharmaceutical executive turned chief adviser to the US government’s Operation Warp Speed programme to develop Covid-19 vaccines and treatments.
He told reporters on a call that the British agency was on a par with the FDA as the world’s best regulator and described it as being the “scientific engine” of the European Medicines Agency before Britain left that organisation following Brexit.
My CEO (who I've mentioned before had some pretty dangerous ideas about COVID to begin with) was very anti-WFH and that informed his early decision making in the pandemic. But when we moved en masse, everything went absolutely fine and even improved in some areas, so he's come around to the idea. Our lease is up on the office soon, we'll have to move anyway and I wouldn't be surprised if he went for a money-saving route of something smaller than the total employee count and switched to a hybrid system.SaintK wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:14 amI worked for two global electronics companies for a combined 35 years and was contracted to work from home for all but a couple of years of that. My role was customer facing field based so was out and about a lot of the time but the flexibility it gave to my work/life balance was hugely positive both to me, my family and my employers. It took a little while to persuade some of the old dinosaur type senior managers that home based staff weren't "swinging the lead" and were actually productive but once that was achieved it was very successful for all concerned. Both company's were early adopters of communications and computer technologies so that helped no end.Biffer wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:24 amSee, I’ve always been quite ‘bursty’ as well, and I’ve found in the past that some wfh actually made me more productive. In one previous role we had to do at least one day a week from home and I found I got as much done in five hours that day as I’d get done in seven in the office.JM2K6 wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:20 am I've always struggled with WFH - in my role I spin a lot of plates and have to context switch constantly. In the office, I get a lot of work done, I am senior enough to interrupt people where necessary to get the right answers / right people fixing things, and my usual work style is very "bursty". At home I am surrounded by distractions, I miss the social interactions both from a mental health perspective and from a work efficiency perspective, and I don't manage to deal with the work in the same way. Lockdown & the office being shut even outside of lockdown has been a real challenge.
I'd have had it no other way
I'd like the work/life balance more if the gf wasn't struggling so much during the pandemic, honestly.
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It's mostly around breaking down the silos that creap up in a company with departments far too often being very insular and WFH has only increased this. For sure there are some roles that can work perfectly well at home and we never have to see them other than on a screen but imvho the creativity has taken a huge knock and it is only now feeding through as that sort of stuff has taken a bit of a backseat whilst everyone has been consumed with just keeping going this year.Sandstorm wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:44 amI miss the banter in the office, but hated using anti-virus gel 19 times a day!Paddington Bear wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:30 amWe're finding people's work life balance this winter has been non existent. Meeting after meeting. Get me off a video call and into a room again.Northern Lights wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:34 pm We will be ditching home working ASAP too and lots of other business people I speak to are of a similar mind.
Tech has been good but not nearly as effective as everyone in the office imho.
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In your office maybe.Northern Lights wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:08 pmIt's mostly around breaking down the silos that creap up in a company with departments far too often being very insular and WFH has only increased this. For sure there are some roles that can work perfectly well at home and we never have to see them other than on a screen but imvho the creativity has taken a huge knock and it is only now feeding through as that sort of stuff has taken a bit of a backseat whilst everyone has been consumed with just keeping going this year.Sandstorm wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:44 amI miss the banter in the office, but hated using anti-virus gel 19 times a day!Paddington Bear wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:30 am
We're finding people's work life balance this winter has been non existent. Meeting after meeting. Get me off a video call and into a room again.
Some of us work in Cross-Silo Teams exclusively.
I get the idea you might be one of the middle-manager types with nobody to manage in the office

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Very much so. I have 1 to 1's with my manager every 2 weeks. Approximately half that time is her blithering on about her kitten and me pretending I give a fuck and wouldn't rather be getting on with some actual work so I can finish up early for the day or taking a walk outside.Paddington Bear wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:00 amVery similar. If you're not busy go for a walk, don't video call me about something unimportant as an excuse to introduce me to your cat.Slick wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:53 amI mainly worked from home anyway and used to have a decent work/life balance until every other cunt started doing the same. Every week I start with good intentions and end up seeing 5 minutes of daylight a day.Paddington Bear wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:30 am
We're finding people's work life balance this winter has been non existent. Meeting after meeting. Get me off a video call and into a room again.
I do miss popping out for meetings to break up the day but not very keen on going back to an office environment - maybe once a week.
IMHO what we're seeing is the middle management types who don't want to see their kids and would normally stay in the office until 7 having to justify why they're working long hours.
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It’s called viral fatigue....... no one said a “myth” just it’s not new.
Someone did:Bimbowomxn wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:44 pm
It’s called viral fatigue....... no one said a “myth” just it’s not new.
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JM2K6 wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:11 pmSomeone did:Bimbowomxn wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:44 pm
It’s called viral fatigue....... no one said a “myth” just it’s not new.
Meant differently but I’ll mea culpa on that.
It’s viral fatigue though, suffered after a nasty virus. Always happened and well documented.
It will be the new Fibromyalgia for benefit claimants.
Seriously Bimbo: you're a dickhead.Bimbowomxn wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:44 pm
It’s called viral fatigue....... no one said a “myth” just it’s not new.
It's not some mild seasonal malaise, and your efforts to present it as such with this sort of misinformation is dangerous.
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Rinkals wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:39 pmSeriously Bimbo: you're a dickhead.Bimbowomxn wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:44 pm
It’s called viral fatigue....... no one said a “myth” just it’s not new.
It's not some mild seasonal malaise, and your efforts to present it as such with this sort of misinformation is dangerous.
Again , I’ve not described it as anything mild. That’s again your invention which you’re then arguing with, that type of arguing isn’t honest and quite frankly an irrelevance to the subject of viral fatigue.
I have never wished this on anyone before but this one time...
I drink and I forget things.
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Enzedder wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 7:02 pmI have never wished this on anyone before but this one time...
You should be more angry with people who pretend to have illnesses and use the resource meant for the genuine.
I’m sure you’ve wished all sorts of nasty stuff, let’s be honest we both know you’re no cuddly old man.
On a slightly unrelated note, the Jenner Institute are about to start phase 3 trials of a potential Malaria vaccine. To compare the difference between the Covid trials and the Malaria, the Covid Phase 3 so far was based off of 30,000 participants (with a further 60,000 or so in the uncompleted US trial). The Malaria Phase 3 is just 4,800 participants.
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"It’s called viral fatigue"Bimbowomxn wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:59 pmRinkals wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:39 pmSeriously Bimbo: you're a dickhead.Bimbowomxn wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:44 pm
It’s called viral fatigue....... no one said a “myth” just it’s not new.
It's not some mild seasonal malaise, and your efforts to present it as such with this sort of misinformation is dangerous.
Again , I’ve not described it as anything mild. That’s again your invention which you’re then arguing with, that type of arguing isn’t honest and quite frankly an irrelevance to the subject of viral fatigue.
That's what you said.
Trying to pass this off as anything other than an attempt to downplay what is a dangerous disease is disingenuous and frankly, dishonest.
There are some on here who have expressed a willingness to sit down and drink with you, but I'm afraid I prefer my drinking companions to be a little less deceitful.
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It’s called viral fatigue"
That's what you said.
Trying to pass this off as anything other than an attempt to downplay what is a dangerous disease is disingenuous and frankly, dishonest.
There are some on here who have expressed a willingness to sit down and drink with you, but I'm afraid I prefer my drinking companions to be a little less deceitful.
Yes, viral fatigue from what is for some a nasty virus.
That is an honest assessment, it isn’t really “dangerous “ to most people .....the “long covid “ narrative is being used though to scare the group that aren’t at much risk into compliance.
You post dishonest lies after dishonest lie about what I’ve actually posted, you then apply your own opinion on “why” I’ve done the thing you’ve made up, like the shitest mind reader of all time.
Yeah, I think that’s best we never go drinking, I’d imagine your mask would slip to nasty pretty quickly.
No mind reading required there.Bimbowomxn wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:26 pmIt’s called viral fatigue"
That's what you said.
Trying to pass this off as anything other than an attempt to downplay what is a dangerous disease is disingenuous and frankly, dishonest.
There are some on here who have expressed a willingness to sit down and drink with you, but I'm afraid I prefer my drinking companions to be a little less deceitful.
Yes, viral fatigue from what is for some a nasty virus.
That is an honest assessment, it isn’t really “dangerous “ to most people .....the “long covid “ narrative is being used though to scare the group that aren’t at much risk into compliance.
You post dishonest lies after dishonest lie about what I’ve actually posted, you then apply your own opinion on “why” I’ve done the thing you’ve made up, like the shitest mind reader of all time.
Yeah, I think that’s best we never go drinking, I’d imagine your mask would slip to nasty pretty quickly.
Your attempts to pass off the disease as insignificant to the majority is very obvious and it belittles the efforts of those at the sharp end of this pandemic.
Moreover, it's dangerous as it encourages the flouting of rules designed to inhibit the spread.
There's no mask involved, honestly, apart from the one I would use to prevent the passage of the disease.
I think it's largely people like you who turned me from being the anglophile I was and I genuinely dislike you and all that you stand for on here.
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The problem is if people of the far right just accepted the vaccine, accepted that the state is helping them, and along with the furlough and a hundred other things the state has done.... and they accepted all this without protesting, the ideology of the right would be dead.
During the most important catastrophes, from the 2008 banking crisis to this, the state (socialism)has rescued society again and again and again.
I think this is behind much of the objection of the right in society to the vaccine.
They can now no longer say "the state is bad", without them creating and resorting to silly conspiracy theories.
Look just take the vaccine folks,, thank God for the state.
Ditch the Aryan Rand books.
Fun fact, if the rich all left, if Atlas did indeed "shrug", and they all set up on an island somewhere, taking their money with them, their currency, the wealth they took, would be over inflated and their money would be worthless. They need lots of poor people, people who have no cash..to make their money and wealth meaningful.
Otherwise it would just be rough toilet paper.
During the most important catastrophes, from the 2008 banking crisis to this, the state (socialism)has rescued society again and again and again.
I think this is behind much of the objection of the right in society to the vaccine.
They can now no longer say "the state is bad", without them creating and resorting to silly conspiracy theories.
Look just take the vaccine folks,, thank God for the state.
Ditch the Aryan Rand books.
Fun fact, if the rich all left, if Atlas did indeed "shrug", and they all set up on an island somewhere, taking their money with them, their currency, the wealth they took, would be over inflated and their money would be worthless. They need lots of poor people, people who have no cash..to make their money and wealth meaningful.
Otherwise it would just be rough toilet paper.
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Rinkals wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:06 amNo mind reading required there.Bimbowomxn wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:26 pmIt’s called viral fatigue"
That's what you said.
Trying to pass this off as anything other than an attempt to downplay what is a dangerous disease is disingenuous and frankly, dishonest.
There are some on here who have expressed a willingness to sit down and drink with you, but I'm afraid I prefer my drinking companions to be a little less deceitful.
Yes, viral fatigue from what is for some a nasty virus.
That is an honest assessment, it isn’t really “dangerous “ to most people .....the “long covid “ narrative is being used though to scare the group that aren’t at much risk into compliance.
You post dishonest lies after dishonest lie about what I’ve actually posted, you then apply your own opinion on “why” I’ve done the thing you’ve made up, like the shitest mind reader of all time.
Yeah, I think that’s best we never go drinking, I’d imagine your mask would slip to nasty pretty quickly.
Your attempts to pass off the disease as insignificant to the majority is very obvious and it belittles the efforts of those at the sharp end of this pandemic.
Moreover, it's dangerous as it encourages the flouting of rules designed to inhibit the spread.
There's no mask involved, honestly, apart from the one I would use to prevent the passage of the disease.
I think it's largely people like you who turned me from being the anglophile I was and I genuinely dislike you and all that you stand for on here.
You cannot even grasp the basics of what I “stand for” , you have to represent it in the corridors of your brain. Labelling into groups and being seen to choose the right one again and again.
I’m guessing a lot of guilt from the old days rattling around.
Consider this the first and last warning
High prevalence of cardiac imaging anomalies in otherwise healthy college athletes recovering from COVID.

Raises some interesting questions about long term screening.
https://www.jacc.org/doi/10.1016/j.jcmg.2020.10.023Although the immediate and long-term clinical relevance of these findings remains unclear, our study underscores that mild or asymptomatic COVID-19 is not a benign illness, considering that more than one-half of the younger individuals showed subclinical myocardial and pericardial disease.

Raises some interesting questions about long term screening.
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Bimbowomxn wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:48 amRinkals wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:06 amNo mind reading required there.Bimbowomxn wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:26 pm
Yes, viral fatigue from what is for some a nasty virus.
That is an honest assessment, it isn’t really “dangerous “ to most people .....the “long covid “ narrative is being used though to scare the group that aren’t at much risk into compliance.
You post dishonest lies after dishonest lie about what I’ve actually posted, you then apply your own opinion on “why” I’ve done the thing you’ve made up, like the shitest mind reader of all time.
Yeah, I think that’s best we never go drinking, I’d imagine your mask would slip to nasty pretty quickly.
Your attempts to pass off the disease as insignificant to the majority is very obvious and it belittles the efforts of those at the sharp end of this pandemic.
Moreover, it's dangerous as it encourages the flouting of rules designed to inhibit the spread.
There's no mask involved, honestly, apart from the one I would use to prevent the passage of the disease.
I think it's largely people like you who turned me from being the anglophile I was and I genuinely dislike you and all that you stand for on here.
You cannot even grasp the basics of what I “stand for” , you have to represent it in the corridors of your brain. Labelling into groups and being seen to choose the right one again and again.
I’m guessing a lot of guilt from the old days rattling around.
Consider this the first and last warning
The standard expected from all posters is duly noted. I will adhere.
Just put him on ignoreBimbowomxn wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:35 amBimbowomxn wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:48 amRinkals wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:06 am
No mind reading required there.
Your attempts to pass off the disease as insignificant to the majority is very obvious and it belittles the efforts of those at the sharp end of this pandemic.
Moreover, it's dangerous as it encourages the flouting of rules designed to inhibit the spread.
There's no mask involved, honestly, apart from the one I would use to prevent the passage of the disease.
I think it's largely people like you who turned me from being the anglophile I was and I genuinely dislike you and all that you stand for on here.
You cannot even grasp the basics of what I “stand for” , you have to represent it in the corridors of your brain. Labelling into groups and being seen to choose the right one again and again.
I’m guessing a lot of guilt from the old days rattling around.
Consider this the first and last warning
The standard expected from all posters is duly noted. I will adhere.
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TBH Bimbo you seem to be the only one on here that is a recipient of low standards. Ever wondered why?Bimbowomxn wrote:
The standard expected from all posters is duly noted. I will adhere.
Rinkals
Judging an entire nation because of one person is UKIP type xenophobia. Something i thought you despised?
I honestly don't care what you stand for; what you post on here is reprehensible enough for me not to want to know.Bimbowomxn wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:48 amRinkals wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:06 amNo mind reading required there.Bimbowomxn wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:26 pm
Yes, viral fatigue from what is for some a nasty virus.
That is an honest assessment, it isn’t really “dangerous “ to most people .....the “long covid “ narrative is being used though to scare the group that aren’t at much risk into compliance.
You post dishonest lies after dishonest lie about what I’ve actually posted, you then apply your own opinion on “why” I’ve done the thing you’ve made up, like the shitest mind reader of all time.
Yeah, I think that’s best we never go drinking, I’d imagine your mask would slip to nasty pretty quickly.
Your attempts to pass off the disease as insignificant to the majority is very obvious and it belittles the efforts of those at the sharp end of this pandemic.
Moreover, it's dangerous as it encourages the flouting of rules designed to inhibit the spread.
There's no mask involved, honestly, apart from the one I would use to prevent the passage of the disease.
I think it's largely people like you who turned me from being the anglophile I was and I genuinely dislike you and all that you stand for on here.
You cannot even grasp the basics of what I “stand for” , you have to represent it in the corridors of your brain. Labelling into groups and being seen to choose the right one again and again.
I’m guessing a lot of guilt from the old days rattling around.
Consider this the first and last warning
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Longshanks wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:49 amTBH Bimbo you seem to be the only one on here that is a recipient of low standards. Ever wondered why?Bimbowomxn wrote:
The standard expected from all posters is duly noted. I will adhere.
Rinkals
Judging an entire nation because of one person is UKIP type xenophobia. Something i thought you despised?
I’ve a good idea why.

Indeed, Rinkals put him on ignore ffs.Longshanks wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:49 amTBH Bimbo you seem to be the only one on here that is a recipient of low standards. Ever wondered why?Bimbowomxn wrote:
The standard expected from all posters is duly noted. I will adhere.
Rinkals
Judging an entire nation because of one person is UKIP type xenophobia. Something i thought you despised?