So, coronavirus...

[Ted.]

pants on fire!

[Hong Kong]

pants on fire!

This!! Why does any one, sane or otherwise, engage with someone so blinkered by his own prejudice.

[Enzedder]

Just to lighten the mood - love Jeff Dunham and Achmed

[MungoMan]

I will probably regret this, but...

here's my take.

The gist of what Sandstorm said re herd immunity was: in Covid's case it'll take maybe 4-5 years and kill everyone above the age of 80 or a BMI of 35. A large percentage of everyone else will suffer long-term vascular harm.

The gist of Bimbo's response was: “A large percentage”

It’s not even killing a large % of the over 80’s ......

My reading of the latter is that Bimbo is doing two things.

He is expressly disputing Sandstorm's assertion that Covid will kill off all the >80s and he is implicitly, by quoting the words 'a large percentage', disputing Sandstorm's assertion regarding long-term vascular damage.

[Insane_Homer]

Herd immunity works. Unfortunately in Covid's case it'll take maybe 4-5 years and kill everyone above the age of 80 or a BMI of 35. A large percentage of everyone else will suffer long-term vascular harm.

These are not my words , these are not my words... these are not my words.

The shameless irony of this post.

[Biffer]

I will probably regret this, but...

here's my take.

The gist of what Sandstorm said re herd immunity was: in Covid's case it'll take maybe 4-5 years and kill everyone above the age of 80 or a BMI of 35. A large percentage of everyone else will suffer long-term vascular harm.

The gist of Bimbo's response was: “A large percentage”

It’s not even killing a large % of the over 80’s ......

My reading of the latter is that Bimbo is doing two things.

He is expressly disputing Sandstorm's assertion that Covid will kill off all the >80s and he is implicitly, by quoting the words 'a large percentage', disputing Sandstorm's assertion regarding long-term vascular damage.

You’re granting him too much intelligence. He’s doing nothing other than being contrarian and anyone with any sense has him on ignore. It’s utterly predictable. He’ll quote this with some snide point trying to provoke but won’t get an answer because I ignore him.

[MungoMan]

I will probably regret this, but...

here's my take.

The gist of what Sandstorm said re herd immunity was: in Covid's case it'll take maybe 4-5 years and kill everyone above the age of 80 or a BMI of 35. A large percentage of everyone else will suffer long-term vascular harm.

The gist of Bimbo's response was: “A large percentage”

It’s not even killing a large % of the over 80’s ......

My reading of the latter is that Bimbo is doing two things.

He is expressly disputing Sandstorm's assertion that Covid will kill off all the >80s and he is implicitly, by quoting the words 'a large percentage', disputing Sandstorm's assertion regarding long-term vascular damage.

You’re granting him too much intelligence. He’s doing nothing other than being contrarian and anyone with any sense has him on ignore. It’s utterly predictable. He’ll quote this with some snide point trying to provoke but won’t get an answer because I ignore him.

Bimbo may have the (ahem) occasional contrarian moment but he posts frequently enough for me to become accustomed to his rather abbreviated style.

[Slick]

I will probably regret this, but...

here's my take.

The gist of what Sandstorm said re herd immunity was: in Covid's case it'll take maybe 4-5 years and kill everyone above the age of 80 or a BMI of 35. A large percentage of everyone else will suffer long-term vascular harm.

The gist of Bimbo's response was: “A large percentage”

It’s not even killing a large % of the over 80’s ......

My reading of the latter is that Bimbo is doing two things.

He is expressly disputing Sandstorm's assertion that Covid will kill off all the >80s and he is implicitly, by quoting the words 'a large percentage', disputing Sandstorm's assertion regarding long-term vascular damage.

You’re granting him too much intelligence. He’s doing nothing other than being contrarian and anyone with any sense has him on ignore. It’s utterly predictable. He’ll quote this with some snide point trying to provoke but won’t get an answer because I ignore him.

It really is a more enjoyable experience.

[Openside]

I will probably regret this, but...

here's my take.

The gist of what Sandstorm said re herd immunity was: in Covid's case it'll take maybe 4-5 years and kill everyone above the age of 80 or a BMI of 35. A large percentage of everyone else will suffer long-term vascular harm.

The gist of Bimbo's response was: “A large percentage”

It’s not even killing a large % of the over 80’s ......

My reading of the latter is that Bimbo is doing two things.

He is expressly disputing Sandstorm's assertion that Covid will kill off all the >80s and he is implicitly, by quoting the words 'a large percentage', disputing Sandstorm's assertion regarding long-term vascular damage.

Frankly the whole dispute boils down to your own definition of a 'large percentage.'

[Sandstorm]

I will probably regret this, but...

here's my take.

The gist of what Sandstorm said re herd immunity was: in Covid's case it'll take maybe 4-5 years and kill everyone above the age of 80 or a BMI of 35. A large percentage of everyone else will suffer long-term vascular harm.

The gist of Bimbo's response was: “A large percentage”

It’s not even killing a large % of the over 80’s ......

My reading of the latter is that Bimbo is doing two things.

He is expressly disputing Sandstorm's assertion that Covid will kill off all the >80s and he is implicitly, by quoting the words 'a large percentage', disputing Sandstorm's assertion regarding long-term vascular damage.

Frankly the whole dispute boils down to your own definition of a 'large percentage.'

10%? 15% maybe?

Personally I'd rather not have to even contemplate losing my ability to walk up a flight of stairs without having to rest afterwards. I know two fit 50-something women in Cape Town in exactly that state after contracting Covid in May & June.

[Bimbowomxn]

Quite frankly the who mentioned “killing” being in question even post the full quote and response being repeated demonstrates just how warped some people actually are when it comes to my post.

That Sandstorm is now weakling away with 10-15% being “large” shows he doesn’t understand the issue at all.

If he thinks 10-15% of infections are becoming “long covid” then it demonstrates absolutely no understanding of basic stats or the scale of the actual virus and it’s dangers.

This is common place on here and why it’s worth posting to correct those views.

It also clear that the use of single experience examples to “prove”something is now how people are wired. It’s terrifyingly stupid.

[Bimbowomxn]

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... 2020-03-26


The estimate is 500,000 people have the virus in the last week of November. This would mean 50-75,000 cases of “long covid” , the week is falling cases from October. So by estimate of some 200,000 cases of long covid are now happening from October.

Does anyone really think 200,000 cases a month of long covid are actually happening in the UK. ?

[Bimbowomxn]

For the record it kills about 5% of the over 80’s that are Infected. A large % if compared to the common cold. But still has a 95% survival rate.

[Raggs]

Covid is now the leading cause of death in young adults in many parts of the USA.

[Bimbowomxn]

Covid is now the leading cause of death in young adults in many parts of the USA.

The statistics as measured don’t show that, her extrapolation may be correct, however the amount of “recorded” Corona deaths is nothing like the excess recorded.

[Saint]

Oxford AZ Vaccine confirmed as "safe and effective" according to peer review published in the Lancet.

Dosage is still TBC, confused by the fact that no-one over 50 got the half-dose/full-dose mistake - and the size of that group was around half that of a normal Phase III trial vs the full trial which was nearly 10x the size.

I suspect that it will receive authorisation based on the half dose/full dose for the lower risk groups, with a further evaluation once the US trial is complete mid to end January - which would rather neatly align to the quantity of doses available for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines being allocated to the high risk groups

[tc27]

Oxford vaccine has now passed safety trials.

Looks like tis the easiest to store and transport so a real boost.


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-oxf ... s-12155304

[Longshanks]

Oxford vaccine has now passed safety trials.

Looks like tis the easiest to store and transport so a real boost.


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-oxf ... s-12155304

It's the real game changer
Hopefully Distribution in new year.....

[Openside]

I will probably regret this, but...

here's my take.

The gist of what Sandstorm said re herd immunity was: in Covid's case it'll take maybe 4-5 years and kill everyone above the age of 80 or a BMI of 35. A large percentage of everyone else will suffer long-term vascular harm.

The gist of Bimbo's response was: “A large percentage”

It’s not even killing a large % of the over 80’s ......

My reading of the latter is that Bimbo is doing two things.

He is expressly disputing Sandstorm's assertion that Covid will kill off all the >80s and he is implicitly, by quoting the words 'a large percentage', disputing Sandstorm's assertion regarding long-term vascular damage.

Frankly the whole dispute boils down to your own definition of a 'large percentage.'

10%? 15% maybe?

Personally I'd rather not have to even contemplate losing my ability to walk up a flight of stairs without having to rest afterwards. I know two fit 50-something women in Cape Town in exactly that state after contracting Covid in May & June.

a case in point mine would be 25-35%

[Openside]

Oxford vaccine has now passed safety trials.

Looks like tis the easiest to store and transport so a real boost.


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-oxf ... s-12155304

It's the real game changer
Hopefully Distribution in new year.....

if they get the 1/2 dose followed by a full dose regulated

[Saint]

As soon as the AZ vaccine is approved a new trial will be starting mixing the vaccines - one dose of one and one of the other - to assess whether that provides better levels of immunity

[Saint]

And as a slightly unrelated but still very interesting development - a universal, long lasting, flu vaccine has just completed Phase I trials. That's a game changer

[Raggs]

And as a slightly unrelated but still very interesting development - a universal, long lasting, flu vaccine has just completed Phase I trials. That's a game changer

Yeah, saw the news on that. Presumably targeting an extremely stable part of the virus (I did read about which bit it targets, but can't remember).

[ScarfaceClaw]

Just to lighten the mood - love Jeff Dunham and Achmed

I’m surprised that he’s still allowed to get away with that. I’d have thought the twitterati would have “cancelled” him by now.

[Saint]

And as a slightly unrelated but still very interesting development - a universal, long lasting, flu vaccine has just completed Phase I trials. That's a game changer

Yeah, saw the news on that. Presumably targeting an extremely stable part of the virus (I did read about which bit it targets, but can't remember).

I think so, and something that's only possible with modern vaccine development techniques.

Tge comparison to Covid vaccine development is stark though - they've been hanging around for years for funding

[Dogbert]

What the hell is happening in Wales

[Biffer]

What the hell is happening in Wales

Transmission via sheep

[Dogbert]

What the hell is happening in Wales

Transmission via sheep

Ahh , That would explain the numbers in Aberdeen & shire

[Sandstorm]

Welsh pubs don’t sell booze at present.

“Let’s all meet at Aled’s place for a few jars, boyos “

[mat the expat]

And as a slightly unrelated but still very interesting development - a universal, long lasting, flu vaccine has just completed Phase I trials. That's a game changer

"But it's only the Flu......................."

[Insane_Homer]

#DailyCovidUpdate | 8th December 2020

- Cases: +12,282
- Deaths (28-day): +616

[Bimbowomxn]

Frankly the whole dispute boils down to your own definition of a 'large percentage.'

10%? 15% maybe?

Personally I'd rather not have to even contemplate losing my ability to walk up a flight of stairs without having to rest afterwards. I know two fit 50-something women in Cape Town in exactly that state after contracting Covid in May & June.

a case in point mine would be 25-35%

The real figure is under 1%.

[frodder]

There's a distinct Anti-Welsh theme to the page of this thread. Tut tut

[Saint]

USA has given up. Nearly 3,000 dead yesterday, they're exceeding the first wave, and there's no end in sight

[Longshanks]

People with history of allergic reactions advised not to have Pfizer Jab.
2 nhs workers bad reactions.......

[Longshanks]

I should have said history of "significant" allergic reactions

[Saint]

People with history of allergic reactions advised not to have Pfizer Jab.
2 nhs workers bad reactions.......

That should have been in the Pfizer data and part of their recommendations on administering this vaccine

[Longshanks]

People with history of allergic reactions advised not to have Pfizer Jab.
2 nhs workers bad reactions.......

That should have been in the Pfizer data and part of their recommendations on administering this vaccine

Yes
However, no vaccine is going to be perfect. People have allergic reactions to lots of things. Vaccination program continues....

[Saint]

People with history of allergic reactions advised not to have Pfizer Jab.
2 nhs workers bad reactions.......

That should have been in the Pfizer data and part of their recommendations on administering this vaccine

Just had a quick skim and it's not. Sounds like the trials may have been a touch more selective than they should have been

[Saint]

People with history of allergic reactions advised not to have Pfizer Jab.
2 nhs workers bad reactions.......

That should have been in the Pfizer data and part of their recommendations on administering this vaccine

Yes
However, no vaccine is going to be perfect. People have allergic reactions to lots of things. Vaccination program continues....

I agree - you always learn some things during a vaccine deployment, as this is when Phase IV starts. But wiuth a Phase III trial of over 30,000 people, this really should have been caught. If notyhing else, it gives ammunition to the anti-vaxxers.

I'd be very interested to learn what triggered the reaction, as I thought this was supposed to be a non-reactive construction