So, coronavirus...

[SaintK]

Watford pretty rammed, pubs and restaurants too.

In tier 3 from midnight tonight?
Watch out for a screetching u turn on Christmas covid arrangements in the next 48 hours

[Saint]

Watford pretty rammed, pubs and restaurants too.

In tier 3 from midnight tonight?
Watch out for a screetching u turn on Christmas covid arrangements in the next 48 hours

Yeah, I reckon so. At minimum they're going to try and ban households from different tiers mixing, could easily be no travel more than 30 miles. Don't think they'll completely ban Christmas bubbles though as I just don't see many people actually following that guidance and enforcement would be next to impossible

[Insane_Homer]

but deaths are falling

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Watford pretty rammed, pubs and restaurants too.

In tier 3 from midnight tonight?
Watch out for a screetching u turn on Christmas covid arrangements in the next 48 hours

Yeah, I reckon so. At minimum they're going to try and ban households from different tiers mixing, could easily be no travel more than 30 miles. Don't think they'll completely ban Christmas bubbles though as I just don't see many people actually following that guidance and enforcement would be next to impossible

Why with the levels ramping up so in schools they didn't end on-site term 10-14 days earlier and go back to online allowing the virus to work through households ahead of Christmas mixing I don't know. This is like when they refused to lockdown in sync with half-term, they're actively choosing to have a bigger problem for no sensible reason

[Saint]

In tier 3 from midnight tonight?
Watch out for a screetching u turn on Christmas covid arrangements in the next 48 hours

Yeah, I reckon so. At minimum they're going to try and ban households from different tiers mixing, could easily be no travel more than 30 miles. Don't think they'll completely ban Christmas bubbles though as I just don't see many people actually following that guidance and enforcement would be next to impossible

Why with the levels ramping up so in schools they didn't end on-site term 10-14 days earlier and go back to online allowing the virus to work through households ahead of Christmas mixing I don't know. This is like when they refused to lockdown in sync with half-term, they're actively choosing to have a bigger problem for no sensible reason

I know. Makes precisely no sense at all

[Sandstorm]

You guys are looking at this expecting the Govt to have a handle on this and know WTF they are doing.

[SaintK]

Yeah, I reckon so. At minimum they're going to try and ban households from different tiers mixing, could easily be no travel more than 30 miles. Don't think they'll completely ban Christmas bubbles though as I just don't see many people actually following that guidance and enforcement would be next to impossible

Why with the levels ramping up so in schools they didn't end on-site term 10-14 days earlier and go back to online allowing the virus to work through households ahead of Christmas mixing I don't know. This is like when they refused to lockdown in sync with half-term, they're actively choosing to have a bigger problem for no sensible reason

I know. Makes precisely no sense at all

Williamson threatened Greenwich Council with immediate legal action yesterday if they did that

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Why with the levels ramping up so in schools they didn't end on-site term 10-14 days earlier and go back to online allowing the virus to work through households ahead of Christmas mixing I don't know. This is like when they refused to lockdown in sync with half-term, they're actively choosing to have a bigger problem for no sensible reason

I know. Makes precisely no sense at all

Williamson threatened Greenwich Council with immediate legal action yesterday if they did that

Which would have something to it as a strategy if they weren't going to lockdown after the festivities (or even cancel the relaxation of the rules). As is it just looks a horrible muddle of decision making and communication, exactly what they were told to avoid in management of a massive public safety issue.

Other than the billions removed from the tax payer coffers for friends and family of the cabinet it's hard to see what they're trying to do

[Biffer]

You guys are looking at this expecting the Govt to have a handle on this and know WTF they are doing.

Yeah, it's difficult to understand why people are still surprised by this.

[fishfoodie]

It sounds like things are right on the edge of out-of-control in NI

Queues of ambulances have formed outside several hospitals in Northern Ireland as pressure continues to mount on the over-capacity health service.

The scenes unfolded as First Minister Arlene Foster participated in a call with other UK political leaders to review the planned relaxation of restrictions on household gatherings over Christmas.

No decisions were taken, with Stormont ministers set to convene to discuss the situation on Thursday amid intensifying calls from medics to rethink the relaxations and introduce fresh measures to curb the spread of the coronavirus.

..

they need to find a set of balls; & do their duty to their electorate & take decisions to protect the thick feckers from themselves; because it is increasingly apparent, that trusting people to do the right thing hasn't worked; & now, more draconian measures are required, because the Politicians chose popularity over doing what was required.

[The Druid]

It seems that the Oxford-AstraZeneca effort has become the British Leyland of vaccines.

[Bimbowomxn]

but deaths are falling

Have you stopped gleefully reporting them?

[Saint]

It seems that the Oxford-AstraZeneca effort has become the British Leyland of vaccines.

I think that's a but unfair. They had their manufacturing/dosage error early on, made the regulator aware, got approval for the study to continue..... but it threw up a massively unexpected result. That in turn means the data is far more complex to analyse and sign off. Remember, it's the regulator that makes the dosage recommendation when there is multiple datasets, not the manufacturer

[fishfoodie]

It seems that the Oxford-AstraZeneca effort has become the British Leyland of vaccines.

I think that's a but unfair. They had their manufacturing/dosage error early on, made the regulator aware, got approval for the study to continue..... but it threw up a massively unexpected result. That in turn means the data is far more complex to analyse and sign off. Remember, it's the regulator that makes the dosage recommendation when there is multiple datasets, not the manufacturer

It still has the advantage of being logistically, the easiest to distribute; & with cost & the humanitarian ethos of it's development, will probably mean that it is the vaccine that will be delivered to the most people on the planet

[Bimbowomxn]

but deaths are falling

Have you stopped gleefully reporting them?

We also in England haven’t had a rise in cases (positive tests) for 6 days now,

[Sandstorm]

It seems that the Oxford-AstraZeneca effort has become the British Leyland of vaccines.

I think that's a but unfair. They had their manufacturing/dosage error early on, made the regulator aware, got approval for the study to continue..... but it threw up a massively unexpected result. That in turn means the data is far more complex to analyse and sign off. Remember, it's the regulator that makes the dosage recommendation when there is multiple datasets, not the manufacturer

It still has the advantage of being logistically, the easiest to distribute; & with cost & the humanitarian ethos of it's development, will probably mean that it is the vaccine that will be delivered to the most people on the planet

Yup. I rather drive 20 miles to work in an Allegro than have to walk it.

[fishfoodie]

I think that's a but unfair. They had their manufacturing/dosage error early on, made the regulator aware, got approval for the study to continue..... but it threw up a massively unexpected result. That in turn means the data is far more complex to analyse and sign off. Remember, it's the regulator that makes the dosage recommendation when there is multiple datasets, not the manufacturer

It still has the advantage of being logistically, the easiest to distribute; & with cost & the humanitarian ethos of it's development, will probably mean that it is the vaccine that will be delivered to the most people on the planet

Yup. I rather drive 20 miles to work in an Allegro than have to walk it.

and now at least you can justify wearing a mask while you are in that Allegro, or wedge of cheese !

[The Druid]

It seems that the Oxford-AstraZeneca effort has become the British Leyland of vaccines.

I think that's a but unfair. They had their manufacturing/dosage error early on, made the regulator aware, got approval for the study to continue..... but it threw up a massively unexpected result. That in turn means the data is far more complex to analyse and sign off. Remember, it's the regulator that makes the dosage recommendation when there is multiple datasets, not the manufacturer

I take your point, it was a rather flippant comment I suppose. It does seem that it will never be accepted by the US regulator though, which if true will be a huge setback after all the effort involved.

[fishfoodie]

It seems that the Oxford-AstraZeneca effort has become the British Leyland of vaccines.

I think that's a but unfair. They had their manufacturing/dosage error early on, made the regulator aware, got approval for the study to continue..... but it threw up a massively unexpected result. That in turn means the data is far more complex to analyse and sign off. Remember, it's the regulator that makes the dosage recommendation when there is multiple datasets, not the manufacturer

I take your point, it was a rather flippant comment I suppose. It does seem that it will never be accepted by the US regulator though, which if true will be a huge setback after all the effort involved.

In Covid matters, the US is always an excellent example of what NOT to do !

[Sandstorm]

I’m terrified I’ll get Covid and not be able to smell the large pile of cheeses I’m amassing for Xmas.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Yup. I rather drive 20 miles to work in an Allegro than have to walk it.

Would I have to walk it whilst suffering with a plague? 'cause just 20 miles seems easier and faster than an Allegro

[Biffer]

It seems that the Oxford-AstraZeneca effort has become the British Leyland of vaccines.

Yeah, it's absolutely terrible that they've managed to get a vaccine developed to the point of approval in less than a year, how shit is that.

You fucking halfwit.

[Saint]

It seems that the Oxford-AstraZeneca effort has become the British Leyland of vaccines.

I think that's a but unfair. They had their manufacturing/dosage error early on, made the regulator aware, got approval for the study to continue..... but it threw up a massively unexpected result. That in turn means the data is far more complex to analyse and sign off. Remember, it's the regulator that makes the dosage recommendation when there is multiple datasets, not the manufacturer

I take your point, it was a rather flippant comment I suppose. It does seem that it will never be accepted by the US regulator though, which if true will be a huge setback after all the effort involved.

There's a separate US study, expected end of Jan. Most if the doomsayers appear to be US financial analysts whose impartiality is questionable - but ultimately the enormous benefit of the AZ vaccine is not in the US.

[Paddington Bear]

It seems that the Oxford-AstraZeneca effort has become the British Leyland of vaccines.

Yeah, it's absolutely terrible that they've managed to get a vaccine developed to the point of approval in less than a year, how shit is that.

You fucking halfwit.

It's vintage of a particularly British attitude to our own stuff that is fairly cringeworthy. It must be crap because it's British, everyone else definitely doesn't have similar issues, rather than hope it works aim for snark from the start. Bin.

[frodder]

I think that's a but unfair. They had their manufacturing/dosage error early on, made the regulator aware, got approval for the study to continue..... but it threw up a massively unexpected result. That in turn means the data is far more complex to analyse and sign off. Remember, it's the regulator that makes the dosage recommendation when there is multiple datasets, not the manufacturer

I take your point, it was a rather flippant comment I suppose. It does seem that it will never be accepted by the US regulator though, which if true will be a huge setback after all the effort involved.

There's a separate US study, expected end of Jan. Most if the doomsayers appear to be US financial analysts whose impartiality is questionable - but ultimately the enormous benefit of the AZ vaccine is not in the US.

Worked with with FDA for over 20 years. Their purpose is to primarily to ensure rigorous standards however it's also to protect US interests which has thrown up some questionable decisions in my past workings with them

[Insane_Homer]

but deaths are falling

Have you stopped gleefully reporting them?

No and No. Never gleefully, the guy reporting them via twitter has been slack lately and I've been otherwise occupied.

Here's yesterdays

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https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[dpedin]

Someone on here pointed me in the direction of this website which provides a good summation of the data available. All the modelling I have seen suggests we are heading for a 3rd wave in January/February and deaths, however we measure them will increase, over and above the usual winter peak. Brace yourself for a tight lock down post Xmas.

https://www.travellingtabby.com/uk-coronavirus-tracker/

[Slick]

It seems that the Oxford-AstraZeneca effort has become the British Leyland of vaccines.

Yeah, it's absolutely terrible that they've managed to get a vaccine developed to the point of approval in less than a year, how shit is that.

You fucking halfwit.

It's vintage of a particularly British attitude to our own stuff that is fairly cringeworthy. It must be crap because it's British, everyone else definitely doesn't have similar issues, rather than hope it works aim for snark from the start. Bin.

It's true, really infuriates me.

The current situation also seems to be quite British though. Opinion polls say the majority of people don't want a relaxation of rules over Christmas but unless we are actually told not to do it, the majority will go ahead anyway.

[Openside]

Yeah, it's absolutely terrible that they've managed to get a vaccine developed to the point of approval in less than a year, how shit is that.

You fucking halfwit.

It's vintage of a particularly British attitude to our own stuff that is fairly cringeworthy. It must be crap because it's British, everyone else definitely doesn't have similar issues, rather than hope it works aim for snark from the start. Bin.

It's true, really infuriates me.

The current situation also seems to be quite British though. Opinion polls say the majority of people don't want a relaxation of rules over Christmas but unless we are actually told not to do it, the majority will go ahead anyway.

I wonder who they are talking to in these polls, I haven't spoken to a single advocate of lockdowns for months. FTR I am obeying them (before there is a pile on. )

[Paddington Bear]

Yeah, it's absolutely terrible that they've managed to get a vaccine developed to the point of approval in less than a year, how shit is that.

You fucking halfwit.

It's vintage of a particularly British attitude to our own stuff that is fairly cringeworthy. It must be crap because it's British, everyone else definitely doesn't have similar issues, rather than hope it works aim for snark from the start. Bin.

It's true, really infuriates me.

The current situation also seems to be quite British though. Opinion polls say the majority of people don't want a relaxation of rules over Christmas but unless we are actually told not to do it, the majority will go ahead anyway.

It's looking increasingly silly. I got it more when there was no end in sight, but the people who are likeliest to die from Christmas interaction would be vaccinated by March. There's light at the end of the tunnel, so not to ask for one last heave seems like a major blunder.

[Slick]

It's vintage of a particularly British attitude to our own stuff that is fairly cringeworthy. It must be crap because it's British, everyone else definitely doesn't have similar issues, rather than hope it works aim for snark from the start. Bin.

It's true, really infuriates me.

The current situation also seems to be quite British though. Opinion polls say the majority of people don't want a relaxation of rules over Christmas but unless we are actually told not to do it, the majority will go ahead anyway.

I wonder who they are talking to in these polls, I haven't spoken to a single advocate of lockdowns for months. FTR I am obeying them (before there is a pile on. )

people not at the golf club I imagine

[Rinkals]

It's vintage of a particularly British attitude to our own stuff that is fairly cringeworthy. It must be crap because it's British, everyone else definitely doesn't have similar issues, rather than hope it works aim for snark from the start. Bin.

It's true, really infuriates me.

The current situation also seems to be quite British though. Opinion polls say the majority of people don't want a relaxation of rules over Christmas but unless we are actually told not to do it, the majority will go ahead anyway.

I wonder who they are talking to in these polls, I haven't spoken to a single advocate of lockdowns for months. FTR I am obeying them (before there is a pile on. )

As the resident "Grandad on Facebook" I can see why you'd be miffed at not being part of the poll.

[Openside]

It's true, really infuriates me.

The current situation also seems to be quite British though. Opinion polls say the majority of people don't want a relaxation of rules over Christmas but unless we are actually told not to do it, the majority will go ahead anyway.

I wonder who they are talking to in these polls, I haven't spoken to a single advocate of lockdowns for months. FTR I am obeying them (before there is a pile on. )

people not at the golf club I imagine

Contrary to popular belief I don't spend all my time at the golf course, (there is also Real Tennis to consider ) I talk you a reasonably large number of people and No one, but no one thinks lockdowns are the way forward. Since golf clubs are full of generally older members of the population (who are most at risk) it doesn't even really make sense as a theory??

[Openside]

It's true, really infuriates me.

The current situation also seems to be quite British though. Opinion polls say the majority of people don't want a relaxation of rules over Christmas but unless we are actually told not to do it, the majority will go ahead anyway.

I wonder who they are talking to in these polls, I haven't spoken to a single advocate of lockdowns for months. FTR I am obeying them (before there is a pile on. )

As the resident "Grandad on Facebook" I can see why you'd be miffed at not being part of the poll.

Don't bother.

[GogLais]

It's true, really infuriates me.

The current situation also seems to be quite British though. Opinion polls say the majority of people don't want a relaxation of rules over Christmas but unless we are actually told not to do it, the majority will go ahead anyway.

I wonder who they are talking to in these polls, I haven't spoken to a single advocate of lockdowns for months. FTR I am obeying them (before there is a pile on. )

As the resident "Grandad on Facebook" I can see why you'd be miffed at not being part of the poll.

Speaking of that, I'm getting miffed at all this "Don't give Granny Covid" headlines. What about us old codgers eh?

[Saint]

Wales issues guidance that Christmas bubbles should be restricted to 2 households. But the law will remain 3 households

[JM2K6]

Wales issues guidance that Christmas bubbles should be restricted to 2 households. But the law will remain 3 households

And a fresh lockdown for Wales starting on the 28th.

[Openside]

Wales issues guidance that Christmas bubbles should be restricted to 2 households. But the law will remain 3 households

And a fresh lockdown for Wales starting on the 28th.

I assume backed by the Welsh pop at large?? if polls are to be believed.

[Slick]

Cases going up quite quickly in Edinburgh as well it seems.

As an aside, my wife got pinged by the Scottish trace app this morning about someone she was near last Sunday so told to isolate for 2 days. Seems a little late.

So this was a mistake sent out to hundreds of people using the Scottish app.... 2 days taken off work for nothing

[frodder]

Wales issues guidance that Christmas bubbles should be restricted to 2 households. But the law will remain 3 households

And a fresh lockdown for Wales starting on the 28th.

I assume backed by the Welsh pop at large?? if polls are to be believed.

The WG are probably more hated in Wales than they've ever been before.