So, coronavirus...

[Paddington Bear]

'Learning to live with it' for me was a more persuasive argument when we didn't have a vaccine. This goes on for three years plus - definitely we can't put everything on hold forever. The people most at risk can be vaccinated by March/April, surely that can focus minds.

[Slick]

Hearing about lots of testing centres suddenly rammed. I presume folk getting tested for the Christmas knees up.

People are cunts. Think we are just about to cancel our plans and stay at home

[Ymx]

Huge swathe of the South East of England moving to Tier 3.

Bristol and North Somerset move from 3 to 2, and Herefordshire from 2 to 1

Yep
Bedfordshire
Buckinghamshire
Berkshire
Peterborough
The whole of Hertfordshire
Surrey, with the exception of Waverley
Hastings and Rother on the Kent border of East Sussex
Portsmouth, Gosport and Havant in Hampshire.

Blimey, we dodged a bullet then in Waverley.

Jeremy Hunt has obviously had a few engagements he didn’t want to cancel.

Although I expect and looking at the chart we won’t be far off tier 3.

[Ymx]

'Learning to live with it' for me was a more persuasive argument when we didn't have a vaccine. This goes on for three years plus - definitely we can't put everything on hold forever. The people most at risk can be vaccinated by March/April, surely that can focus minds.

I guess the problem is with those groups who are the spreaders are last to be vaccinated. Eg those younger groups commuting, working, in service industry, in school.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Contrary to popular belief I don't spend all my time at the golf course, (there is also Real Tennis to consider ) I talk you a reasonably large number of people and No one, but no one thinks lockdowns are the way forward. Since golf clubs are full of generally older members of the population (who are most at risk) it doesn't even really make sense as a theory??

Openside, sadly, it appears that you converse with easily led imbeciles on a regular basis. Mind, the version of lockdowns your government imposes might have tainted their thinking, so on receipt of further evidence, I'm willing to consider that I am being uncharitable.

why do you think they are easily led imbeciles?? Most of my mates and social circle are captains of Industry etc. they are not tin foil hat wearing twitter debaters... Social distancing as much as possible is the way forward, its certainly worked for my family for the last 9 months. I just feel its got to the point where the proportion of the population who are frankly not statistically at risk need to be allowed to get on with it. If you are vulnerable or fearful isolate yourself. Interested to see how the vaccine is taken up/works to restore some sense of normality...

A well know character trait of captains of industry is testing positively for psychopathy, so it is possible they're not the people you want to inform a public health debate.

Additional to that I'm out on the golf course most days, running along not playing golf, and watching their groups out on course there are either a lot more married blokes playing golf than I'd have supposed or like the children coming out of school they're stood so close they're basically licking people from other households. These would I suppose almost exclusively be people educated to university level, and still they struggle not to lick each other such is their keenness to spread any virus they might have.

[Bimbowomxn]

In the UK it hasn’t killed 10’s of thousands of “not at risk” this is a flat out untruth .

You don't read so good, do you?

Christ alive. He's so addicted to replying and being contrary that he point blank refuses to "read, comprehend, then post".

Oh, I did miss the tense. It hasn’t and won’t kill 10’s of thousands of healthy people either.

[Biffer]

why do you think they are easily led imbeciles?? Most of my mates and social circle are captains of Industry etc. they are not tin foil hat wearing twitter debaters... Social distancing as much as possible is the way forward, its certainly worked for my family for the last 9 months. I just feel its got to the point where the proportion of the population who are frankly not statistically at risk need to be allowed to get on with it. If you are vulnerable or fearful isolate yourself. Interested to see how the vaccine is taken up/works to restore some sense of normality...

I don't think they are easily led imbeciles but there is definately a "type" that has these opinions. People who think they are above it, entitled, ego driven, that type. And I include a few of my close friends and brother in law in that group.

Maybe, but I don’t feel entitled and I am definitely obeying lockdown I just am not sure it is working how it’s meant to. I suspect to be successful it needs to be total barring food shops and I just don’t think that is viable in a non totalitarian state. We really have to learn to live with it or hope the efficacy rates of vaccines are correct or their will be economic meltdown.

Nobody who's entitled feels entitled that's kind of the point. Entitled people think the advantages they have are normal.

[Bimbowomxn]

'Learning to live with it' for me was a more persuasive argument when we didn't have a vaccine. This goes on for three years plus - definitely we can't put everything on hold forever. The people most at risk can be vaccinated by March/April, surely that can focus minds.

Not at 140,000 a week they can’t. The vaccine roll out is a disgrace.

[Bimbowomxn]

Hearing about lots of testing centres suddenly rammed. I presume folk getting tested for the Christmas knees up.

People are cunts. Think we are just about to cancel our plans and stay at home

“People are cunts for wanting to see family at Christmas in a safe way”.

[Rinkals]

You don't read so good, do you?

Christ alive. He's so addicted to replying and being contrary that he point blank refuses to "read, comprehend, then post".

Oh, I did miss the tense. It hasn’t and won’t kill 10’s of thousands of healthy people either.

You accused the poster of lying.

The fact that you hadn't bothered to read the post properly speaks volumes.

[Saint]

'Learning to live with it' for me was a more persuasive argument when we didn't have a vaccine. This goes on for three years plus - definitely we can't put everything on hold forever. The people most at risk can be vaccinated by March/April, surely that can focus minds.

Not at 140,000 a week they can’t. The vaccine roll out is a disgrace.

It's not going to be 140,000 a week though. It was always going to start relatively slowly and then scale up - the logistics of working with this vaccine in particular demanded that. Once the GP centres are all up and running they will be doing more than twice that number per day, but if we had that all up and running immediately we'd have already run out of the initial delivery. Even by the end of the month we'll only have recieved 4 million doses

[Insane_Homer]

[Bimbowomxn]

'Learning to live with it' for me was a more persuasive argument when we didn't have a vaccine. This goes on for three years plus - definitely we can't put everything on hold forever. The people most at risk can be vaccinated by March/April, surely that can focus minds.

Not at 140,000 a week they can’t. The vaccine roll out is a disgrace.

It's not going to be 140,000 a week though. It was always going to start relatively slowly and then scale up - the logistics of working with this vaccine in particular demanded that. Once the GP centres are all up and running they will be doing more than twice that number per day, but if we had that all up and running immediately we'd have already run out of the initial delivery. Even by the end of the month we'll only have recieved 4 million doses

If the whole policy of lockdowns until vaccine was correct at least be ready to administer the vaccine. It’s another example of failure.

All those loves being destroyed through the policy deserve better.

[frodder]

Not at 140,000 a week they can’t. The vaccine roll out is a disgrace.

It's not going to be 140,000 a week though. It was always going to start relatively slowly and then scale up - the logistics of working with this vaccine in particular demanded that. Once the GP centres are all up and running they will be doing more than twice that number per day, but if we had that all up and running immediately we'd have already run out of the initial delivery. Even by the end of the month we'll only have recieved 4 million doses

If the whole policy of lockdowns until vaccine was correct at least be ready to administer the vaccine. It’s another example of failure.

All those loves being destroyed through the policy deserve better.

Once the AZ vaccine is approved then we'll see the numbers upped a great deal.

[Bimbowomxn]

Once the AZ vaccine is approved then we'll see the numbers upped a great deal.

Let’s hope so. Either way the first 4 million should have been speeded up, most of the country is now locked down again and there’s many business barely clinging on.

[Ymx]

Once the AZ vaccine is approved then we'll see the numbers upped a great deal.

Let’s hope so. Either way the first 4 million should have been speeded up, most of the country is now locked down again and there’s many business barely clinging on.

And the vaccine won’t be going to those who can re open these businesses

[Bimbowomxn]

Once the AZ vaccine is approved then we'll see the numbers upped a great deal.

Let’s hope so. Either way the first 4 million should have been speeded up, most of the country is now locked down again and there’s many business barely clinging on.

And the vaccine won’t be going to those who can re open these businesses

Eh?

The reason we are locked down is to protect the NHS. Vaccination of the vulnerable protects the NHS and a lockdown isn’t required.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Let’s hope so. Either way the first 4 million should have been speeded up, most of the country is now locked down again and there’s many business barely clinging on.

And the vaccine won’t be going to those who can re open these businesses

Eh?

The reason we are locked down is to protect the NHS. Vaccination of the vulnerable protects the NHS and a lockdown isn’t required.

There's only a very slim chance that's a correct piece of analysis

[GogLais]

Huge swathe of the South East of England moving to Tier 3.

Bristol and North Somerset move from 3 to 2, and Herefordshire from 2 to 1

Yep
Bedfordshire
Buckinghamshire
Berkshire
Peterborough
The whole of Hertfordshire
Surrey, with the exception of Waverley
Hastings and Rother on the Kent border of East Sussex
Portsmouth, Gosport and Havant in Hampshire.

I can see why some get annoyed. Some areas in Manchester and Lancs have asked to be 2 and not 3 and that was refused. Similarly Kent was all put in 3 although cases were still low in some areas. Too complex to do otherwise supposedly but now they're chopping up counties. Who lives in Waverley then?

[Sandstorm]

Similarly Kent was all put in 3 although cases were still low in some areas.

Everyone in Kent is a lying scumbag who has defied the lockdown rules since March. Should be set at Tier 4 / napalm the whole county.

[SaintK]

Huge swathe of the South East of England moving to Tier 3.

Bristol and North Somerset move from 3 to 2, and Herefordshire from 2 to 1

Yep
Bedfordshire
Buckinghamshire
Berkshire
Peterborough
The whole of Hertfordshire
Surrey, with the exception of Waverley
Hastings and Rother on the Kent border of East Sussex
Portsmouth, Gosport and Havant in Hampshire.

I can see why some get annoyed. Some areas in Manchester and Lancs have asked to be 2 and not 3 and that was refused. Similarly Kent was all put in 3 although cases were still low in some areas. Too complex to do otherwise supposedly but now they're chopping up counties. Who lives in Waverley then?

Ymx of this parish and Jeremy Hunt MP Chairman of the Parliamentary Health Committee Though to be fair he probably didn't know anything about it until we did

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Similarly Kent was all put in 3 although cases were still low in some areas.

Everyone in Kent is a lying scumbag who has defied the lockdown rules since March. Should be set at Tier 4 / napalm the whole county.

They're already behind constructing Farage Lorry Park, why give them an excuse for still further delay

[Sandstorm]

Ymx of this parish and Jeremy Hunt MP Chairman of the Parliamentary Health Committee Though to be fair he probably didn't know anything about it until we did

[Saint]

Once the AZ vaccine is approved then we'll see the numbers upped a great deal.

Let’s hope so. Either way the first 4 million should have been speeded up, most of the country is now locked down again and there’s many business barely clinging on.

The bulk of the 4 million will not arrive until the end of the month - there's nothing that the UK government can do about that. Add to that both the results and approval process came through far more rapidly than expected, and the fact that the distribution process for this one is very different to the others. You ALWAYS start a widescale vaccination programme slowly just in case there are any other discoveries to be made (such as the allergy issue).

There is still a very strong chance that we will run out of stock before the rest of the first batch arrives, and then we actually have to be very careful to ensure that dose 2 is delivered inside the correct window. This is not a vaccine for rapid widespread deployment, and even just delivering it to the most serious at risk groups will take months in part due to the delivery schedules and manufacturing constraints from Pfizer

[frodder]

And the vaccine won’t be going to those who can re open these businesses

Eh?

The reason we are locked down is to protect the NHS. Vaccination of the vulnerable protects the NHS and a lockdown isn’t required.

There's only a very slim chance that's a correct piece of analysis

Are you saying there'll still be lockdowns after the vaccine is given to the higher risk groups

[Sandstorm]

Herd immunity is clearly better this Xmas.

[Saint]

Eh?

The reason we are locked down is to protect the NHS. Vaccination of the vulnerable protects the NHS and a lockdown isn’t required.

There's only a very slim chance that's a correct piece of analysis

Are you saying there'll still be lockdowns after the vaccine is given to the higher risk groups

Will be past Easter before all the higher risk groups are covered (unless the AZ is approved in the meantime) - so cases will be falling again anyway by then as late spring/summer arrives, and the severe lockdowns would be lifted accordingly. The key will be being able to avoid going back to restrictions next Autumn

[Sandstorm]

Are you saying there'll still be lockdowns after the vaccine is given to the higher risk groups

I reckon everywhere will still be Tier 1 next June. Hands, Face, Space isn't going to to end any time soon. There just isn't enough vaccine or time to do it quicker.

[SaintK]

This really isn't going very well

The number of Covid-19 patients in hospital in eastern England is now higher than levels recorded at the peak of the first wave of the virus, PA Media reports. A total of 1,734 hospital patients with confirmed Covid-19 were reported on 16 December. During the first wave, the number of patients in eastern England peaked at 1,679 on 12 April.
This means the first-wave peak of Covid-19 patients has now been surpassed in three of the seven NHS regions in England, PA Media reports. The others are the north-west and the north-east/Yorkshire.

Post Christmas carnage to come

[Bimbowomxn]

Once the AZ vaccine is approved then we'll see the numbers upped a great deal.

Let’s hope so. Either way the first 4 million should have been speeded up, most of the country is now locked down again and there’s many business barely clinging on.

The bulk of the 4 million will not arrive until the end of the month - there's nothing that the UK government can do about that. Add to that both the results and approval process came through far more rapidly than expected, and the fact that the distribution process for this one is very different to the others. You ALWAYS start a widescale vaccination programme slowly just in case there are any other discoveries to be made (such as the allergy issue).

There is still a very strong chance that we will run out of stock before the rest of the first batch arrives, and then we actually have to be very careful to ensure that dose 2 is delivered inside the correct window. This is not a vaccine for rapid widespread deployment, and even just delivering it to the most serious at risk groups will take months in part due to the delivery schedules and manufacturing constraints from Pfizer

Thank you for the explanation. Seems sensible. Thought the hoo haaa regarding the vaccine should have been dialed down then.

Looks like Furlough (just another 30 billion for the grand kids to pay back) extended to April.

[Bimbowomxn]

This really isn't going very well

The number of Covid-19 patients in hospital in eastern England is now higher than levels recorded at the peak of the first wave of the virus, PA Media reports. A total of 1,734 hospital patients with confirmed Covid-19 were reported on 16 December. During the first wave, the number of patients in eastern England peaked at 1,679 on 12 April.
This means the first-wave peak of Covid-19 patients has now been surpassed in three of the seven NHS regions in England, PA Media reports. The others are the north-west and the north-east/Yorkshire.

Post Christmas carnage to come

East of England was very light in the Spring. We’ve many more cases in my areas now than at any time previously.

No ones really dying though. The kids are getting a “scratchy” throat for a few hours.

[Saint]

Let’s hope so. Either way the first 4 million should have been speeded up, most of the country is now locked down again and there’s many business barely clinging on.

The bulk of the 4 million will not arrive until the end of the month - there's nothing that the UK government can do about that. Add to that both the results and approval process came through far more rapidly than expected, and the fact that the distribution process for this one is very different to the others. You ALWAYS start a widescale vaccination programme slowly just in case there are any other discoveries to be made (such as the allergy issue).

There is still a very strong chance that we will run out of stock before the rest of the first batch arrives, and then we actually have to be very careful to ensure that dose 2 is delivered inside the correct window. This is not a vaccine for rapid widespread deployment, and even just delivering it to the most serious at risk groups will take months in part due to the delivery schedules and manufacturing constraints from Pfizer

Thank you for the explanation. Seems sensible. Thought the hoo haaa regarding the vaccine should have been dialed down then.

Looks like Furlough (just another 30 billion for the grand kids to pay back) extended to April.

To be really fair (and I really hate doing that to BoJo and Hancock), the government has been trying to dial it in a bit - but at the same time the reverse factor of giving people some light at the end of the tunnel is also needed for people. But with the Sun putting out headlines like "It's Vaccine V Day!" it's pretty much impossible to manage expectations

[SaintK]

Let’s hope so. Either way the first 4 million should have been speeded up, most of the country is now locked down again and there’s many business barely clinging on.

The bulk of the 4 million will not arrive until the end of the month - there's nothing that the UK government can do about that. Add to that both the results and approval process came through far more rapidly than expected, and the fact that the distribution process for this one is very different to the others. You ALWAYS start a widescale vaccination programme slowly just in case there are any other discoveries to be made (such as the allergy issue).

There is still a very strong chance that we will run out of stock before the rest of the first batch arrives, and then we actually have to be very careful to ensure that dose 2 is delivered inside the correct window. This is not a vaccine for rapid widespread deployment, and even just delivering it to the most serious at risk groups will take months in part due to the delivery schedules and manufacturing constraints from Pfizer

Thank you for the explanation. Seems sensible. Thought the hoo haaa regarding the vaccine should have been dialed down then.

Looks like Furlough (just another 30 billion for the grand kids to pay back) extended to April.

How do you dial down any hoo ha when Johnson is involved in presenting at a press conference in his hyperbolic way and Hancock is shedding tears (apparently) on TV when talking about it

[Sandstorm]

I'm just waiting for the first reports that some GP surgery (probably in Liverpool or Blackburn) fucked up the 1st stage vaccines and all their patients have to come back again pronto!

[frodder]

I'm just waiting for the first reports that some GP surgery (probably in Liverpool or Blackburn) fucked up the 1st stage vaccines and all their patients have to come back again pronto!

Any logic in those suggestions

[Rhubarb & Custard]

I'm just waiting for the first reports that some GP surgery (probably in Liverpool or Blackburn) fucked up the 1st stage vaccines and all their patients have to come back again pronto!

Any logic in those suggestions

if there's little to none it could well be direct from the cabinet office. the messaging continues to be a concern when within a few days we've gone from threatening schools wanting to go online with legal action to telling schools they'll have to do that from next term in a staggered return, those in schools may also have some concern they're being asked in many instances to message pupils/parents with an entire 1 day left in the present term to construct a plan and gain agreements

[Insane_Homer]

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[Openside]

Openside, sadly, it appears that you converse with easily led imbeciles on a regular basis. Mind, the version of lockdowns your government imposes might have tainted their thinking, so on receipt of further evidence, I'm willing to consider that I am being uncharitable.

why do you think they are easily led imbeciles?? Most of my mates and social circle are captains of Industry etc. they are not tin foil hat wearing twitter debaters... Social distancing as much as possible is the way forward, its certainly worked for my family for the last 9 months. I just feel its got to the point where the proportion of the population who are frankly not statistically at risk need to be allowed to get on with it. If you are vulnerable or fearful isolate yourself. Interested to see how the vaccine is taken up/works to restore some sense of normality...

A well know character trait of captains of industry is testing positively for psychopathy, so it is possible they're not the people you want to inform a public health debate.

Additional to that I'm out on the golf course most days, running along not playing golf, and watching their groups out on course there are either a lot more married blokes playing golf than I'd have supposed or like the children coming out of school they're stood so close they're basically licking people from other households. These would I suppose almost exclusively be people educated to university level, and still they struggle not to lick each other such is their keenness to spread any virus they might have.

God knows what sort of numpties are on your area, I played to day and managed not to get nearer than a metre to any of the three guys I was playing with save to bump elbows at the end.

[Northern Lights]

why do you think they are easily led imbeciles?? Most of my mates and social circle are captains of Industry etc. they are not tin foil hat wearing twitter debaters... Social distancing as much as possible is the way forward, its certainly worked for my family for the last 9 months. I just feel its got to the point where the proportion of the population who are frankly not statistically at risk need to be allowed to get on with it. If you are vulnerable or fearful isolate yourself. Interested to see how the vaccine is taken up/works to restore some sense of normality...

A well know character trait of captains of industry is testing positively for psychopathy, so it is possible they're not the people you want to inform a public health debate.

Additional to that I'm out on the golf course most days, running along not playing golf, and watching their groups out on course there are either a lot more married blokes playing golf than I'd have supposed or like the children coming out of school they're stood so close they're basically licking people from other households. These would I suppose almost exclusively be people educated to university level, and still they struggle not to lick each other such is their keenness to spread any virus they might have.

God knows what sort of numpties are on your area, I played to day and managed not to get nearer than a metre to any of the three guys I was playing with save to bump elbows at the end.

You’re wasting your time on here. They are largely only happy locking us all down, crashing the economy because they think the government can just print more money and continue to stoke irrational fear over a virus that isn’t close to as deadly as they make out.
We are now also expected to cure death as it’s a tragedy whenever anyone dies.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

A well know character trait of captains of industry is testing positively for psychopathy, so it is possible they're not the people you want to inform a public health debate.

Additional to that I'm out on the golf course most days, running along not playing golf, and watching their groups out on course there are either a lot more married blokes playing golf than I'd have supposed or like the children coming out of school they're stood so close they're basically licking people from other households. These would I suppose almost exclusively be people educated to university level, and still they struggle not to lick each other such is their keenness to spread any virus they might have.

God knows what sort of numpties are on your area, I played to day and managed not to get nearer than a metre to any of the three guys I was playing with save to bump elbows at the end.

You’re wasting your time on here. They are largely only happy locking us all down, crashing the economy because they think the government can just print more money and continue to stoke irrational fear over a virus that isn’t close to as deadly as they make out.
We are now also expected to cure death as it’s a tragedy whenever anyone dies.

To stress again it's not one or the other. I can accept at the outset of this there were reasonable arguments for going the Sweden route or the NZ route given this was a whole series of unknowns, but we're a long way past unknowns and we need much tighter controls and effective track and trace to allow for more movement and as much as possible a more normal economy.

To think as things stand it's a trade off between the two is odd, they're much more the same thing.