Americas Cup - Official Thread
All teams are having some trouble with it, but why them more than others? Location in the boat? Have they tried to play with the software? But I do agree with you, depending on what legal jargon says. Coz it is the same for every team.
FWIW I like the idea of all teams having the same equipment, and it comes down to sail and boat design, and of course good ol' fashioned sailing skillz.
FWIW I like the idea of all teams having the same equipment, and it comes down to sail and boat design, and of course good ol' fashioned sailing skillz.
I was just thinking aloud as I imagine the finger pointing going on behind the scenes at INEOS, and know how litigious this can be. It’s quite poor form to be out and out laying blame elsewhere. Especially as everyone else has adapted and coping fine, kind of indicating they’ve plugged it in not so well. At least it’s happening in this series in any case and not a meaningful one.
Looks like they should be out “today” based on this tweet
Setting alarm now
Looks like they should be out “today” based on this tweet
Setting alarm now
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Bit of a strange scenario that one. All teams running same foil cant system and software, but only the brits unable to make it work effectively, which would suggest some type of configuration or construction issue aboard the brit boat.
They aren't going to want to open up their boat for ETNZ engineers to paw over the internals and likewise ETNZ won't want to give away code and the engine driving the technology.
If you end up with one boat needing custom code and software to make their configuration successful, I'm not sure where that stands in a "one design" or common design for all four boats though within the rules.
The Yanks in the press conference suggested they have a handful of engineers and support crew dedicated to the running and maintenance of the foils, the difference being they're winning, and they're fast.
I reckon both ETNZ and the Brit engineers have to open everything up to each other and get to the source of the issue on the brit boat and then do the finger pointing. In the interest of fairness and transparency you cant have someone spend 100+ million and blame their woes on something designed, built and supplied by the competition. But on the other hand if the root cause is exposed as a design/configuration issue outside the operating parameters of a supplied parts ability to perform, then your designers and engineers have wasted your 100+ million on building a dog.
Something tells me one team doesn't
get to have custom software and engineering of a one design component to solve a configuration or design issue outside the supplied components working ability. You have to engineer within a supplied components ability to function.
That's tough, and it's a bad look having Ainsley and the hopes and dreams of a nation floundering around in the Waitemata like a beached whale.
They aren't going to want to open up their boat for ETNZ engineers to paw over the internals and likewise ETNZ won't want to give away code and the engine driving the technology.
If you end up with one boat needing custom code and software to make their configuration successful, I'm not sure where that stands in a "one design" or common design for all four boats though within the rules.
The Yanks in the press conference suggested they have a handful of engineers and support crew dedicated to the running and maintenance of the foils, the difference being they're winning, and they're fast.
I reckon both ETNZ and the Brit engineers have to open everything up to each other and get to the source of the issue on the brit boat and then do the finger pointing. In the interest of fairness and transparency you cant have someone spend 100+ million and blame their woes on something designed, built and supplied by the competition. But on the other hand if the root cause is exposed as a design/configuration issue outside the operating parameters of a supplied parts ability to perform, then your designers and engineers have wasted your 100+ million on building a dog.
Something tells me one team doesn't
get to have custom software and engineering of a one design component to solve a configuration or design issue outside the supplied components working ability. You have to engineer within a supplied components ability to function.
That's tough, and it's a bad look having Ainsley and the hopes and dreams of a nation floundering around in the Waitemata like a beached whale.
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Missed the start of racing. Brits look like they're going ok for now.
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They seem to be hovering pretty well now though. Yesterday they were bouncing around like a rugby ball rolling downhill.
Totally different foil shape looks to be a lot of ETNZ speed advantage
Totally different foil shape looks to be a lot of ETNZ speed advantage
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Aerodynamics with the crew placement probably helpful too. ETNZ have practically nothing creating drag. Brits have bodies exposed creating drag and turbulence.
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Crikey, that's some dose of reality.
Well NZ by 1 and a half minutes.
Brits had zero technical faults: not sure what you can deduce from that. Brits fixed their integration or NZ fixed the one design issues and deployed them. Would have thought the former more likely considering the time frame.
Brits had zero technical faults: not sure what you can deduce from that. Brits fixed their integration or NZ fixed the one design issues and deployed them. Would have thought the former more likely considering the time frame.
Ainslie thanks his shore crew for getting them out there is fixing the problem. There was mention of the control systems as well. So that contradicts his blame yesterday of the one design components.
Anyway pleased that they finished and had nothing to blame.
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Well aside from some mention of the starting position being offset. And he thought the dial down should have drawn a penalty. Oh well ...
Anyway pleased that they finished and had nothing to blame.
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Well aside from some mention of the starting position being offset. And he thought the dial down should have drawn a penalty. Oh well ...
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Hard to say what these results mean at this stage. Rightly ETNZ should be fast on home waters, likewise the Yanks with Barker helming, that's his backyard, yanks had a lot of time on the water too.
I think come the end of January the Brits will be more competitive.
I think come the end of January the Brits will be more competitive.
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I think that whole gig needs some work. The whole presentation looks glitchy. Got the right components of good presentation but the 5G letting it all down.Ymx wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:25 am Anyone else massively confused by the bad super imposing of the finish line there. Looked for a brief moment NZ hadn’t crossed it at all based on where on the screen it was drawn.
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Missed the start but that's a pretty big turnaround over a couple of legs.
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Oh well, the brits are racing at least. At this early early stage you have to say ETNZ and the Yanks are a long way ahead in understanding how to sail these things and their ability to squeeze speed out of them.
The Yanks in particular are going to be hard to beat as they introduce the speed tweaks they're holding back on.
Prada and the Brits have a steep hill to climb over the next month or so.
The Yanks in particular are going to be hard to beat as they introduce the speed tweaks they're holding back on.
Prada and the Brits have a steep hill to climb over the next month or so.
Biggest concern for me for NZ is the poor pre starts, and shortly zero opportunity to improve and get battle hardened for them since they won’t be in the challenger series.
By then, the boat speed differential will be small and we won’t recover from losing a start by over 10 seconds.
It’s now 5am, off to sleep again. Until my daughter wakes me in 2 hours by jumping on me.
By then, the boat speed differential will be small and we won’t recover from losing a start by over 10 seconds.
It’s now 5am, off to sleep again. Until my daughter wakes me in 2 hours by jumping on me.
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Yeah I don't know if the starts mean much at this stage. We saw that in the last cup where we all thought Burling was a bit meek and inexperienced through the pre regatta only to practically trounce Spithill through the cup races.
No shortage of competitive and aggressive sailing ability with ETNZ afterguard. Not required at this stage though, not when you can mow 1000+ meters off the opposition in just plotting their way around a course.
No shortage of competitive and aggressive sailing ability with ETNZ afterguard. Not required at this stage though, not when you can mow 1000+ meters off the opposition in just plotting their way around a course.
ymx, stellar support there for the boys. Gonna be hard to keep it up. Start to work on your stamina. 
If you remember back to Bermuda, it was revealed after that Burling just fucked around in the pre-starts for the Louis Vuitton, and then destroyed Spitters when it came crunch time for the SC. As '_cunt' says, wouldn't read too much into it.
If you remember back to Bermuda, it was revealed after that Burling just fucked around in the pre-starts for the Louis Vuitton, and then destroyed Spitters when it came crunch time for the SC. As '_cunt' says, wouldn't read too much into it.
