President Trump and US politics catchall

[sockwithaticket]

She will be pronounced dead. Not often someone in a pre-hospital traumatic arrest survives.

Being reported that she has died.

You apparently saw the video of her being brought to the ambulance, while having CPR administered; there's another video of the shooting & the immediate aftermath; & I didn't post it; & was surprised that a respectable media organization did post it; because it was the last thing any family of hers should have seen.

I have subsequently seen those. Fucking bad craic media outlets showing that.

I'm fine with it, even into it you might say. Most people will only ever see someone shot via entertainment mediums, showing them what it actually looks like might give some of them a useful does of reality. Especially in the US where they're so bloody wedded to their firearms and too many don't seem to have the necessary respect for their potentially lethal weapons

A faint hope perhaps, but it could bring the realisation to Trumpanzees who weren't in attendance that storming a governmental building isn't merely an opportunity to larp as Y'all Qaeda (or, among other favourites, Vanilla Isis, 101st Chairborne, Meal Team Six, Gravy Seals), it's fucking sedition and will be treated as such. It's been very easy for them to spew vitriol in the virtual space or rant at marches while people largely ignore or work around them. Seeing one of their own die in all the grubby reality of that situation might be exactly what they need.

Also a bit of an equaliser from a reporting standpoint; I've seen footage on UK news channels where they cut a fraction of a second before someone dies so you might as well have seen it all or have shown explosions/drone recordings where people have definitely died, but the subjects have been foreign brown people, so no noticeable outcry.

[Sandstorm]

You don't try to climb over a "last barricade to an area where terrified staff are sheltering" when (probably equally terrified) people are pointing guns at you already and don't expect to get shot.

[Slick]

You don't try to climb over a "last barricade to an area where terrified staff are sheltering" when (probably equally terrified) people are pointing guns at you already and don't expect to get shot.

The woman sounded like a total nutbar. Even her husband said "people either like her or loath her"

[Jimmy Smallsteps]

Interesting. On the one hand you have US Capitol Police opening barricades for people.

On the other, they are ending them.

Is it possible this force is reflective of the society it represents?

[sturginho]

[Rinkals]

Trump will pardon himself and hang his stormtroopers out to dry.

He'd better get his skates on and hope that they don't move to impeach.

Having said that, it would seem Pence is reluctant to use the 25th and Biden probably doesn't want the distraction.

[mat the expat]

Righto. I'll bow to your martial arts expertise, but I still have a sneaky suspicion that he have got his head caved in after that pause if he started laying into them with the asp .

That's my point - fear is the driver in mob situations. The bit where he was at the top of the stairs was the crux. If he's have laid out that twat in the hat who was trying to intimidate him, he'd have a greater chance of holding them back.

Of course, it's a very fluid situation and I wasn't there, I'm just outlining the methodology. Once he gave up the stairwell, it was over without reinforcement

I have done some riot shield training with a mate who is in a Prison response team - they use the "Roman" shield tactic - once you take out one you push forward and use the bottom rim to smash them a few times on the way through. The following line uses their boots in the same way

In the UK? Hes lying and giving it the Billy big bollocks. I have done genuine PO training.

Where did I say it was the UK and the police?

Are you trying to fit me up?

[sockwithaticket]

Trump will pardon himself and hang his stormtroopers out to dry.

He'd better get his skates on and hope that they don't move to impeach.

Having said that, it would seem Pence is reluctant to use the 25th and Biden probably doesn't want the distraction.

No one seems to want to be the first person in the modern era to actually set the precedent of enacting that amendment. I think they're also justifiably concerned about further inflaming Mango Mussolini's base at the moment, which emphasises how much the loons have veered into full blown terrorism. They're literally scaring politicians out of doing their jobs.

[GogLais]

Apparently bombs have been found at the headquarters of the Democrat and Republican parties. It isn't brilliant insight to say that the mob will turn against the entire political class, not just one side of it. Also I heard Eric Trump saying it isn't the Republican Party any more, it's Donald Trump's Republican Party. This is going to make the Labour Party's internal arguments look trivial.

[Saint]

Trump will pardon himself and hang his stormtroopers out to dry.

He'd better get his skates on and hope that they don't move to impeach.

Having said that, it would seem Pence is reluctant to use the 25th and Biden probably doesn't want the distraction.

No one seems to want to be the first person in the modern era to actually set the precedent of enacting that amendment. I think they're also justifiably concerned about further inflaming Mango Mussolini's base at the moment, which emphasises how much the loons have veered into full blown terrorism. They're literally scaring politicians out of doing their jobs.

I was reading an analysis of tge 25th amendment today, and unless you can guarantee you're going to get two-thirds majorities in both houses then it's of little use in this situation. Trump would almost certainly return to the presidency before Biden's inauguration

[Rinkals]

For me, it's quite clear that Trump was hoping to genuinely mount a coup.

I suppose he's seen the movie where a spontaneous public uprising led to the fall of a Government and the installation of a ruling dynasty.

Undoubtedly, he expected the Military to rise up in support. While this would be extremely far-fetched normally, I don't have any difficulty believing that Trump saw this as a probable outcome.

Trump's replacement of key Pentagon officials a few weeks ago also raises the suspicion that this was planned, as does Don jnr's champagne soirée in the marquee.

[Rinkals]

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-a ... 021-1?IR=T

The third official, who works in counterintelligence for a NATO member, agreed that the situation could only be seen as a coup attempt, no matter how poorly considered and likely to fail, and said its implications might be too huge to immediately fathom.

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"The broader damage around the world will be extensive in terms of reputation, and that's why Putin doesn't mind at all that Trump lost. He's got to be happy to take his chips and count his winnings, which from the Trump era will be a shockingly quick decline in American prestige and moral high ground.

"Every moment the Americans spend on their own self-inflicted chaos helps China, it helps Putin, and, to a lesser extent, it helps the mini-dictators like [Turkish President Recep Tayyip] Erdogan and [Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor] Orban, who breathe cynicism about politics, human rights, and democracy as their air," the official said. "They won't miss Trump; they'll be glad to see his drama leave so they can enjoy the poisoned political climate."

[sockwithaticket]

He'd better get his skates on and hope that they don't move to impeach.

Having said that, it would seem Pence is reluctant to use the 25th and Biden probably doesn't want the distraction.

No one seems to want to be the first person in the modern era to actually set the precedent of enacting that amendment. I think they're also justifiably concerned about further inflaming Mango Mussolini's base at the moment, which emphasises how much the loons have veered into full blown terrorism. They're literally scaring politicians out of doing their jobs.

I was reading an analysis of tge 25th amendment today, and unless you can guarantee you're going to get two-thirds majorities in both houses then it's of little use in this situation. Trump would almost certainly return to the presidency before Biden's inauguration

Action at this stage is largely symbolic given how little of the term is left, but it's an important symbol. Until the Georgia senators are sworn in they can't rely on an impeachment going through either, but surely it's worthwhile taking these steps to keep the pressure on Republicans to course correct and force them to publicly either get in line with denouncing a wannabe dictator or maintain support for Trump who has been increasingly toxic within the GOP post-election even before the events of the last few days.

[Slick]

Apparently bombs have been found at the headquarters of the Democrat and Republican parties. It isn't brilliant insight to say that the mob will turn against the entire political class, not just one side of it. Also I heard Eric Trump saying it isn't the Republican Party any more, it's Donald Trump's Republican Party. This is going to make the Labour Party's internal arguments look trivial.

I think it's over now. That video he put out was a humiliation that he has never had before and I don't think he will recover to any decent strength.

[Hal Jordan]

Who would have thought that Trump would turn on his loyal MAGA supporters to try and save himself?

[sockwithaticket]

Who would have thought that Trump would turn on his loyal MAGA supporters to try and save himself?

Yes, it's a very "This leopard is eating my face!?" moment for the magahideen.

[fishfoodie]

It's nice to see Social Media being used for the actual benefit of Society for once

As he strolled past gold-framed portraits of past Congressional leaders, one rioter who stormed the Capitol in a pro-Trump mob on Wednesday wore a red Trump hat, a commemorative sweatshirt from the president’s inauguration and a lanyard around his neck.

When a photo of him went viral, it didn’t take Internet sleuths long to realize that the lanyard held his work badge — clearly identifying him as an employee of Navistar Direct Marketing, a printing company in Frederick, Md.

On Thursday, Navistar swiftly fired him.

He’s not alone among the rioters who wreaked havoc in Congress. While police and the FBI work to identify and arrest members of the mob, online detectives are also crowdsourcing information and doxing them — exposing the rioters to criminal prosecution, but also more immediate action from their bosses.

Since most of the rioters stormed the Capitol maskless, online detectives had a unique opportunity to easily identify them. And many made it even easier — they live-streamed their participation and later bragged about their escapades.

Using journalists’ photos and videos, as well as live-streamed videos from rioters, untold Twitter users and Instagram accounts have been feverishly working since Wednesday to ID and name the participants who stormed the halls of the Capitol, ransacking lawmakers’ offices and occupying the House Chamber.

Some, like the Instagram account @homegrownterrorists, amassed huge followings in a few hours. When posters believe they’ve identified someone, the images are updated with names and details about the person — like their social media handle, hometown or job title.

The FBI has been attempting a similar tactic. The Washington field office tweeted dozens of images of rioters on Thursday, asking the public to help identify people. Through early Thursday, police said they arrested 69 people from at least 20 states and the District for charges ranging from unlawful entry of public property, to violating curfew and assaulting a police officer. The department is also offering a $1,000 reward for tips that lead to an arrest.

Dozens arrested after mob storms Capitol; officials vow that more will be charged

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[fishfoodie]

Definition of Irony

There's now a Federal Murder charge being investigated; & those responsible will be identified; if they haven't already, & with hours of CCTV coverage, I don't doubt that a number of them will be convicted of Capital Murder. Now if their; dear loser was in Office; he'd have no problem with them being executed, but once their appeals play out; they'll all be praying that there's a Democrat in the WH, to stop Federal executions.

[Hal Jordan]

Who would have thought that Trump would turn on his loyal MAGA supporters to try and save himself?

Yes, it's a very "This leopard is eating my face!?" moment for the magahideen.

Problem is, they just need someone a little more polished and competent than Trump (who still got masses of votes despite all we know) who doesn't alienate "normal" people and a real threat to democracy could end up in the White House. The foundations are well laid given how Trump has shown how easily the supposed limits on him can be bent, strained and broken.

[Niegs]

Speaking of internet people outing insurrectionists... I love this daughter reporting her mother and uncle/aunt! There's also a clip where you see mom get absolutely king hit by a transit cop (iirc) after she makes a move on the uniformed woman.

[fishfoodie]

That right cross is a thing of beauty

[Margin__Walker]

Sheesh.

[sockwithaticket]

Who would have thought that Trump would turn on his loyal MAGA supporters to try and save himself?

Yes, it's a very "This leopard is eating my face!?" moment for the magahideen.

Problem is, they just need someone a little more polished and competent than Trump (who still got masses of votes despite all we know) who doesn't alienate "normal" people and a real threat to democracy could end up in the White House. The foundations are well laid given how Trump has shown how easily the supposed limits on him can be bent, strained and broken.

It won't be popular, they'll be screeched at incessantly and portrayed as traitors and/or simply trying to exclude conservatives from government, but the Dems need to spend the next two years going hell for leather on a legislative agenda the shores up the failsafes. Their democracy needs it. The question is whether they're willing to take the fall for doing what's necessary and maybe sacrifice some electability to do it.

[sockwithaticket]

Sheesh.

Just had to duck the shrapnel of my exploding irony detector as whichever evolutionary dead end with the megaphone chants brownshirts at the cops...

[sturginho]

Is that guy trying to act as peacemaker towards the end smoking a joint right in front of the cops? Thats ballsy

[fishfoodie]

Ain't no pardon going to help these lying facists with this !

"Dominion has sent retraction demands or document preservation letters...to more than 20 individuals and entities, including to [L Lin] Wood, ...Pat Cipollone and ...Rudolph W. Giuliani; and to Fox News, Newsmax, One America News and the Epoch Times..."-Emma Brown, WaPo Jan 8

[Slick]

Confirmed he won't be going to the inauguration

[Hal Jordan]

Confirmed he won't be going to the inauguration

I guess his plan to destroy Obama's legacy didn't extend to graciously attending the coronation of the man's former Vice President.

[fishfoodie]

Why isn't this guy in Biden's Cabinet ?



Chapeau Sir; Chapeau !

[Rinkals]

Looks like we need to get in the popcorn for the 21st.

[Rinkals]

Jesus Christ!

I thought that Lindsay Graham was still supporting Trump.

[Biffer]

Graham was clear that Biden won in the his speech. Said many times that just because you don't like it, doesn't mean you can just reject it. Surprisingly good speech actually.

What do you do with people like the ones in the video? There's a certain section who know they're manipulating the agenda, but there a significant number that will never accept anything that goes against them. There's no way to bring them back into normal society.

Don't get me wrong though, Graham and his ilk deserve this blowback. They've been lying to these people for years and are now reaping what they've sown. But someone, somewhere is going to go after them with weapons before long.

[sockwithaticket]

Insofar as he's been a corporate whore ruthlessly exploiting the American people for years he is indeed a traitor. Right label from the crowd, but they couldn't be further from having worked out why to apply it.

[Rinkals]

@Biffer: I suspect you're right.

It's going to be a dangerous time to be a US politician, given the proliferation of guns.

[Bokkom]

Due to Covid travel restrictions the US will now have to stage coups at home

[fishfoodie]

The Feds have put pictures of ten people they what to have a chat with. I wonder if these scumbags are first up, because of the murder of the Police Officer ?



All the pictures of people with their phones out, taking video, or pictures, & even making calls in chaos; just made me think how easy it'll be to identify these cretins; when they were actively creating threads for the FBI to follow; & giving them a way to follow them, & evidence of their participation.

A list of IMEI numbers from the local tower, & call times, with all the CCTV footage; & you can identify half these gobshites.

[Un Pilier]

The Feds have put pictures of ten people they what to have a chat with. I wonder if these scumbags are first up, because of the murder of the Police Officer ?



All the pictures of people with their phones out, taking video, or pictures, & even making calls in chaos; just made me think how easy it'll be to identify these cretins; when they were actively creating threads for the FBI to follow; & giving them a way to follow them, & evidence of their participation.

A list of IMEI numbers from the local tower, & call times, with all the CCTV footage; & you can identify half these gobshites.

I should imagine there will be lots of that sort of stuff happening too.

[fishfoodie]

The Feds have put pictures of ten people they what to have a chat with. I wonder if these scumbags are first up, because of the murder of the Police Officer ?



All the pictures of people with their phones out, taking video, or pictures, & even making calls in chaos; just made me think how easy it'll be to identify these cretins; when they were actively creating threads for the FBI to follow; & giving them a way to follow them, & evidence of their participation.

A list of IMEI numbers from the local tower, & call times, with all the CCTV footage; & you can identify half these gobshites.

I should imagine there will be lots of that sort of stuff happening too.

I think we can guarantee it

One of the things that strikes you about DC, compared with other US cities, is that the number of CCTV cameras is on a par with the UK. You can't get from the subway or any car park, without being tracked every step of the way on camera.

If the will & manpower is there; & after the murder of a LEO, there will be; then there's no reason why 75% of the people who entered the building couldn't be identified.

Realistically; they'll target the most violent, & the ringleaders, & most egregious offenders, & those they already had on their books for being far-right etc, which will probably be ~100 scumbags who won't be voting for anyone in 2024

[Lobby]

The Feds have put pictures of ten people they what to have a chat with. I wonder if these scumbags are first up, because of the murder of the Police Officer ?



All the pictures of people with their phones out, taking video, or pictures, & even making calls in chaos; just made me think how easy it'll be to identify these cretins; when they were actively creating threads for the FBI to follow; & giving them a way to follow them, & evidence of their participation.

A list of IMEI numbers from the local tower, & call times, with all the CCTV footage; & you can identify half these gobshites.

I should imagine there will be lots of that sort of stuff happening too.

I think we can guarantee it

One of the things that strikes you about DC, compared with other US cities, is that the number of CCTV cameras is on a par with the UK. You can't get from the subway or any car park, without being tracked every step of the way on camera.

If the will & manpower is there; & after the murder of a LEO, there will be; then there's no reason why 75% of the people who entered the building couldn't be identified.

Realistically; they'll target the most violent, & the ringleaders, & most egregious offenders, & those they already had on their books for being far-right etc, which will probably be ~100 scumbags who won't be voting for anyone in 2024

They’ve already arrested the twat who sat in Nancy Pelosi’s office and the West Virginian Republican legislator, Derrick Evans, on federal charges. Plenty more to follow I expect.

[Niegs]

If anyone's looking for some insight...