So, coronavirus...

[tc27]

Jesus that PR thread

[SaintK]

Excellent article by Katy Balls in The Spectator on how and why the vaccine taskforce has been so successful
It does beg the question as to why PPE and Test Track and Trace was so badly handled and has wasted £billions

Until a few weeks ago, the government’s track record on Covid was one of repeated failure. The death toll, the depth of the recession, the public disapproval of the government: Britain’s figures were among the worst in the world. But with vaccines, things have changed. The UK is now on track to be the first major country in the world to vaccinate its way out of lockdown.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/se ... cess/amp

[Raggs]

Excellent article by Katy Balls in The Spectator on how and why the vaccine taskforce has been so successful
It does beg the question as to why PPE and Test Track and Trace was so badly handled and has wasted £billions

Until a few weeks ago, the government’s track record on Covid was one of repeated failure. The death toll, the depth of the recession, the public disapproval of the government: Britain’s figures were among the worst in the world. But with vaccines, things have changed. The UK is now on track to be the first major country in the world to vaccinate its way out of lockdown.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/se ... cess/amp

I don't think billions were wasted, I think billions were gifted. Much harder to try and give away bullshit contracts for vaccines than it is for ppe.

For me it shows this government have the potential to be good at their jobs, but are happier to just keep giving cash to friends, and helping set themselves up for after their time in power.

[Saint]

Jesus that PR thread

Yeah, it's a bit nuts isn't

[Insane_Homer]

James Absolutelynotsocleverlydumbass

[Ymx]

Jesus that PR thread

Yeah, it's a bit nuts isn't

Any particular page or named shitfight worth reading for the shits and giggles.

[SaintK]

James Absolutelynotsocleverlydumbass

Yet another scheme that we are weeks behind on because of dither and delay and poor decision m aking

[Saint]

Jesus that PR thread

Yeah, it's a bit nuts isn't

Any particular page or named shitfight worth reading for the shits and giggles.

There's really far too much to single out any single area

[SaintK]

Jesus that PR thread

Yeah, it's a bit nuts isn't

Any particular page or named shitfight worth reading for the shits and giggles.

The Brexit and Coronavirus threads are just about unreadable largely thanks to the swarm, Backrow (and his bid to become a comedian) and Message# who appears to have more free time on his hands than is good for him and a few new multis like Sputnik who have recently joined in the headbanging!

[Biffer]

Excellent article by Katy Balls in The Spectator on how and why the vaccine taskforce has been so successful
It does beg the question as to why PPE and Test Track and Trace was so badly handled and has wasted £billions

Until a few weeks ago, the government’s track record on Covid was one of repeated failure. The death toll, the depth of the recession, the public disapproval of the government: Britain’s figures were among the worst in the world. But with vaccines, things have changed. The UK is now on track to be the first major country in the world to vaccinate its way out of lockdown.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/se ... cess/amp

Key difference is one is private provision of healthcare goods and services and the other is public sector / third sector led.

[tc27]

Yeah, it's a bit nuts isn't

Any particular page or named shitfight worth reading for the shits and giggles.

The Brexit and Coronavirus threads are just about unreadable largely thanks to the swarm, Backrow (and his bid to become a comedian) and Message# who appears to have more free time on his hands than is good for him and a few new multis like Sputnik who have recently joined in the headbanging!

Pretty much this - also from what I can gather the Brit haters/swarm are now focusing hard on bashing the AZ vaccine 'useless monkey virus'.

Someone created a multi called 'Sputnik V' with a shirtless Putin as the avatar.

[dpedin]

James Absolutelynotsocleverlydumbass

Yet another scheme that we are weeks behind on because of dither and delay and poor decision m aking

Agreed - we have had genomic sequencing since the start of the pandemic and have over 100,000 deaths. UoA study shows international travel is biggest indicators of country performance in managing of spread and deaths! One of the biggest GDP drops in the world. NZ has closed borders and has less deaths in total than we have each day at the moment and now has a fully functioning economy. They must think we are stupid!

[Saint]

Any particular page or named shitfight worth reading for the shits and giggles.

The Brexit and Coronavirus threads are just about unreadable largely thanks to the swarm, Backrow (and his bid to become a comedian) and Message# who appears to have more free time on his hands than is good for him and a few new multis like Sputnik who have recently joined in the headbanging!

Pretty much this - also from what I can gather the Brit haters/swarm are now focusing hard on bashing the AZ vaccine 'useless monkey virus'.

Someone created a multi called 'Sputnik V' with a shirtless Putin as the avatar.

Yeah, I saw that - had to laugh about people worried about the long term effects of chimpanzee adenoviruses when they've been actually infecting humans for centuries.

[Lobby]

I was looking for some more information on which vaccines have been approved in which countries and found this site, which I thought might be of interest:

https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/

Includes details of stage of development, clinical trials, and approvals for all the vaccine candidates.

[JM2K6]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 95894.html

[Biffer]

Any particular page or named shitfight worth reading for the shits and giggles.

The Brexit and Coronavirus threads are just about unreadable largely thanks to the swarm, Backrow (and his bid to become a comedian) and Message# who appears to have more free time on his hands than is good for him and a few new multis like Sputnik who have recently joined in the headbanging!

Pretty much this - also from what I can gather the Brit haters/swarm are now focusing hard on bashing the AZ vaccine 'useless monkey virus'.

Someone created a multi called 'Sputnik V' with a shirtless Putin as the avatar.

Man, that's dumb on so many levels. The whole point is that it's a useless monkey virus. That's what makes it safe to carry the material that provokes the immune response.

[Ovals]

The latter. Labour have looked just as indecisive and jumpy

Errrrr

I'm pretty sure that's nonsense. Labour have been consistent in their views (ignoring the fact that you can't be indecisive if you're not the ones who can make the decisions) and what does jumpy even mean in this context?

The tories are winning the poll battle because they're a populist government with a captive media and a huge amount of free airtime with their briefings.

We probably shouldn't underestimate that Boris does have that personal popularity as well.

JM is correct

Boris's approval rating is pretty poor - something like -20%. He'll get a bounce from the 'feel good factor' when things start getting back to normal - after that he might have an uphill task as other problems have to be solved.

[SaintK]

Left hand not knowing what right hand is doing or saying...................yet again!!

We reported earlier that the Cabinet Office said all UK adults aged 50 and over should receive a coronavirus vaccine by the start of May.
However, Downing Street dismissed the timetable in the government document – which said the first nine priority groups of people should have been offered a coronavirus vaccine by early May – prompting renewed confusion over the expected date.
Any programme for reopening the economy depends on the speed of what is officially termed phase 1 of the vaccination programme, which takes in the top nine groups by vulnerability to the virus, going as far as all adults aged 50 and above.
No 10 has said only that the target to reach this milestone is “spring”, refusing repeatedly to be more precise.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021 ... -schedule

Fuck me, they are so fucking useless at comms
[media] [/media]

[Biffer]

Left hand not knowing what right hand is doing or saying...................yet again!!

We reported earlier that the Cabinet Office said all UK adults aged 50 and over should receive a coronavirus vaccine by the start of May.
However, Downing Street dismissed the timetable in the government document – which said the first nine priority groups of people should have been offered a coronavirus vaccine by early May – prompting renewed confusion over the expected date.
Any programme for reopening the economy depends on the speed of what is officially termed phase 1 of the vaccination programme, which takes in the top nine groups by vulnerability to the virus, going as far as all adults aged 50 and above.
No 10 has said only that the target to reach this milestone is “spring”, refusing repeatedly to be more precise.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021 ... -schedule

Fuck me, they are so fucking useless at comms
[media] [/media]

Yeah, this language of 'eligible' and 'offered' is deliberate obfuscation, as Thommo seems to have found out.

[Paddington Bear]

Errrrr

I'm pretty sure that's nonsense. Labour have been consistent in their views (ignoring the fact that you can't be indecisive if you're not the ones who can make the decisions) and what does jumpy even mean in this context?

The tories are winning the poll battle because they're a populist government with a captive media and a huge amount of free airtime with their briefings.

We probably shouldn't underestimate that Boris does have that personal popularity as well.

JM is correct

Boris's approval rating is pretty poor - something like -20%. He'll get a bounce from the 'feel good factor' when things start getting back to normal - after that he might have an uphill task as other problems have to be solved.

Boris' approval rating is misleading though, he's marmite so being -20 doesn't matter to him so much so long as he has dedicated fans. It is more of an issue for a Milliband/Cameron, and I suspect, Starmer type.

[Openside]

And yet the voters seem to have forgotten/forgiven based on that earlier poll result. Seems to be a weird result, or is it because Labour are so bad there?

The latter. Labour have looked just as indecisive and jumpy

Errrrr

I'm pretty sure that's nonsense. Labour have been consistent in their views (ignoring the fact that you can't be indecisive if you're not the ones who can make the decisions) and what does jumpy even mean in this context?

The tories are winning the poll battle because they're a populist government with a captive media and a huge amount of free airtime with their briefings.

That isn't true, you might not be able to act on your decisions but it doesn't stop them being able to be made otherwise why would the Opposition bother with a position at all (even if it is with the government)

[tc27]

Really feels like its going up a gear this week with the biggest days yet to come if the pattern repeats.

[Ovals]

We probably shouldn't underestimate that Boris does have that personal popularity as well.

JM is correct

Boris's approval rating is pretty poor - something like -20%. He'll get a bounce from the 'feel good factor' when things start getting back to normal - after that he might have an uphill task as other problems have to be solved.

Boris' approval rating is misleading though, he's marmite so being -20 doesn't matter to him so much so long as he has dedicated fans. It is more of an issue for a Milliband/Cameron, and I suspect, Starmer type.

As was Corbyn !!!!

[sturginho]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 95894.html

"The event was in breach of the curfew, and there were also problems with masks and social distancing," an investigator said.

Gimp outfits don't count as face coverings?

[Sandstorm]

Another typical argument on Twatter:



I wonder who J McIntyre is on here....?

[Tattie]

Really feels like its going up a gear this week with the biggest days yet to come if the pattern repeats.

Impressive figures for Scotland and Wales - particularly Wales.

That must be about 1.3% of over 16s in Wales in a single day and about 1.1% in Scotland

[JM2K6]

The latter. Labour have looked just as indecisive and jumpy

Errrrr

I'm pretty sure that's nonsense. Labour have been consistent in their views (ignoring the fact that you can't be indecisive if you're not the ones who can make the decisions) and what does jumpy even mean in this context?

The tories are winning the poll battle because they're a populist government with a captive media and a huge amount of free airtime with their briefings.

That isn't true, you might not be able to act on your decisions but it doesn't stop them being able to be made otherwise why would the Opposition bother with a position at all (even if it is with the government)

That's not being indecisive, that's not taking a position.

It's a bollocks criticism either way you look at it. Starmer has chosen his battlegrounds and been consistent with his demands and his criticisms. The fact that he's chosen not to go after the Govt on certain things doesn't make him or Labour "indecisive or jumpy" - it's a decision they've made for political reasons.

[tc27]

Encouraging data from Israel:

[Ovals]

Encouraging data from Israel:

[Saint]

Really feels like its going up a gear this week with the biggest days yet to come if the pattern repeats.

Impressive figures for Scotland and Wales - particularly Wales.

That must be about 1.3% of over 16s in Wales in a single day and about 1.1% in Scotland

Total for the UK ended up at 485K doses yesterday

That moves the 7 day average to 444K per day; 3.1 million per week

[tc27]

Really feels like its going up a gear this week with the biggest days yet to come if the pattern repeats.

Impressive figures for Scotland and Wales - particularly Wales.

That must be about 1.3% of over 16s in Wales in a single day and about 1.1% in Scotland

Wales could overtake England per head at the current rate:



Really good numbers from Scotland but lost ground to make up.

[tc27]

Left hand not knowing what right hand is doing or saying...................yet again!!

We reported earlier that the Cabinet Office said all UK adults aged 50 and over should receive a coronavirus vaccine by the start of May.
However, Downing Street dismissed the timetable in the government document – which said the first nine priority groups of people should have been offered a coronavirus vaccine by early May – prompting renewed confusion over the expected date.
Any programme for reopening the economy depends on the speed of what is officially termed phase 1 of the vaccination programme, which takes in the top nine groups by vulnerability to the virus, going as far as all adults aged 50 and above.
No 10 has said only that the target to reach this milestone is “spring”, refusing repeatedly to be more precise.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021 ... -schedule

Fuck me, they are so fucking useless at comms
[media] [/media]

Yeah, this language of 'eligible' and 'offered' is deliberate obfuscation, as Thommo seems to have found out.

Slippery politicians eh Biffsta?

[Saint]

Really feels like its going up a gear this week with the biggest days yet to come if the pattern repeats.

Impressive figures for Scotland and Wales - particularly Wales.

That must be about 1.3% of over 16s in Wales in a single day and about 1.1% in Scotland

Wales could overtake England per head at the current rate:



Really good numbers from Scotland but lost ground to make up.

The law of large numbers (relative to the other UK nations) will start to impact England. There's so much more scaling out to be done

[Tattie]

Really feels like its going up a gear this week with the biggest days yet to come if the pattern repeats.

Impressive figures for Scotland and Wales - particularly Wales.

That must be about 1.3% of over 16s in Wales in a single day and about 1.1% in Scotland

Wales could overtake England per head at the current rate:



Really good numbers from Scotland but lost ground to make up.

If we were all on Wales' current rate then there would be over 700k vaccinations per day in total. There have obviously been different priorities and logistical issues etc across the 4 nations but I think they will even out and be on roughly the same rate/% within a few weeks.

[Ovals]

It'd be good to get those rates up to a million a day, ready for when we have to start 2nd doses - so that it doesn't slow down the rate of new vaccinations. Hopefully supplies are also increasing as manufacturers ramp up production.

My sister gets hers tomorrow, mine is on Tuesday - unfortunately (depending on how you look at it !) Mrs Ovals is in group 5 so it won't help much until she gets her date. Shouldn't be too long at the rates they're achieving.

[tc27]

It'd be good to get those rates up to a million a day, ready for when we have to start 2nd doses - so that it doesn't slow down the rate of new vaccinations. Hopefully supplies are also increasing as manufacturers ramp up production.

My sister gets hers tomorrow, mine is on Tuesday - unfortunately (depending on how you look at it !) Mrs Ovals is in group 5 so it won't help much until she gets her date. Shouldn't be too long at the rates they're achieving.

You sly dog....well played

[Saint]

It'd be good to get those rates up to a million a day, ready for when we have to start 2nd doses - so that it doesn't slow down the rate of new vaccinations. Hopefully supplies are also increasing as manufacturers ramp up production.

My sister gets hers tomorrow, mine is on Tuesday - unfortunately (depending on how you look at it !) Mrs Ovals is in group 5 so it won't help much until she gets her date. Shouldn't be too long at the rates they're achieving.

I think there probably needs to be some realism here. 1 million a day would represent 40% over the revised government target - which itself is 150% over the initial target that many thought would be a difficult target to hit.

[Ovals]

It'd be good to get those rates up to a million a day, ready for when we have to start 2nd doses - so that it doesn't slow down the rate of new vaccinations. Hopefully supplies are also increasing as manufacturers ramp up production.

My sister gets hers tomorrow, mine is on Tuesday - unfortunately (depending on how you look at it !) Mrs Ovals is in group 5 so it won't help much until she gets her date. Shouldn't be too long at the rates they're achieving.

You sly dog....well played

Not quite as good as it sounds - I'm in the 'extremely vulnerable' group due to medication I take for a chronic illness that otherwise has little effect on me now. Hence I am bumped from 5 to 4 despite only being a couple of years older than her. Having said that, I was batting waaaaay above my average when I landed Mrs Ovals and she's still very attractive She's ageing far better than me !

Sorry, no Rule 1 on this ocassion.................

[Enzedder]

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Pretty much this - also from what I can gather the Brit haters/swarm are now focusing hard on bashing the AZ vaccine 'useless monkey virus'.

Someone created a multi called 'Sputnik V' with a shirtless Putin as the avatar.

Sputnik isn't a multi - he's on a Don Quixote type mission against "western" ideology and achievement.

[Ovals]

[
Pretty much this - also from what I can gather the Brit haters/swarm are now focusing hard on bashing the AZ vaccine 'useless monkey virus'.

Someone created a multi called 'Sputnik V' with a shirtless Putin as the avatar.

Sputnik isn't a multi - he's on a Don Quixote type mission against "western" ideology and achievement.

I think it is more that he sees the AZ vaccine as being 'English' and that's enough for him to be dissing it at every opportunity.