Hamish Watson goes full on retard

[Torquemada 1420]

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/hamish-w ... that-call/

But an angry Watson mounted a staunch defence of his team-mate as he insisted it was not even a foul, never mind a red card offence.

[Begbie]

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/hamish-w ... that-call/

But an angry Watson mounted a staunch defence of his team-mate as he insisted it was not even a foul, never mind a red card offence.

@hamishwatson7
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@STVNews
Poor comments from me, emotions were very high after losing a very tight match. Players health is paramount.

[Big D]

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/hamish-w ... that-call/

But an angry Watson mounted a staunch defence of his team-mate as he insisted it was not even a foul, never mind a red card offence.

Player full of emotion having lost a game they should have won speaks before thinking about it.

Non story.

[Torquemada 1420]

BCM in the Torygraph

On the Fagerson red card, people cannot have it both ways. Last week there were complaints that the television match official overruled the referee in awarding Peter O’Mahony a red card. This week they were complaining that Matthew Carley, the referee, did not listen to the TMO and made his own decision after watching the replays. It is quite simple. If you run 10 metres and then launch yourself into a ruck you have no control and you cannot adjust your position.

Further, you choose whether you do or do not use your arms to bind an opponent. Under the World Rugby guidelines, which are available to every union and, by extension, all their players, hitting a ruck in that manner is reckless, at best. If you do not want to have a referee make a decision with which you disagree, do not put him in that position in the first place. If the message has not got through to players after this second successive sending-off, you wonder whether they can learn the lesson.

[JM2K6]

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/hamish-w ... that-call/

But an angry Watson mounted a staunch defence of his team-mate as he insisted it was not even a foul, never mind a red card offence.

@hamishwatson7
Replying to
@STVNews
Poor comments from me, emotions were very high after losing a very tight match. Players health is paramount.

That's good of him. I don't doubt plenty of players think it's fine though, which is part of the problem (I don't blame them, it's just how they've been coached all their lives)

[penguin]

Glad to see that response from him. There's plenty of 'games gone soft' dickheads (a lot of nostalgia-drunk twats here in Wales particularly) who don't need any encouragement.

[Torquemada 1420]

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/hamish-w ... that-call/

But an angry Watson mounted a staunch defence of his team-mate as he insisted it was not even a foul, never mind a red card offence.

@hamishwatson7
Replying to
@STVNews
Poor comments from me, emotions were very high after losing a very tight match. Players health is paramount.

Sorry. Took a while to register what you posted. Do wonder if he was given a tap on the shoulder from management though!

[Begbie]

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/hamish-w ... that-call/

@hamishwatson7
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@STVNews
Poor comments from me, emotions were very high after losing a very tight match. Players health is paramount.

Sorry. Took a while to register what you posted. Do wonder if he was given a tap on the shoulder from management though!

Maybe, but this is probably off his own back,. His comments are very out of character.

[SaintK]

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/hamish-w ... that-call/

@hamishwatson7
Replying to
@STVNews
Poor comments from me, emotions were very high after losing a very tight match. Players health is paramount.

That's good of him. I don't doubt plenty of players think it's fine though, which is part of the problem (I don't blame them, it's just how they've been coached all their lives)

Fraser Brown also quoted as saying he thought it was a yellow at the very most

[Big D]

@hamishwatson7
Replying to
@STVNews
Poor comments from me, emotions were very high after losing a very tight match. Players health is paramount.

That's good of him. I don't doubt plenty of players think it's fine though, which is part of the problem (I don't blame them, it's just how they've been coached all their lives)

Fraser Brown also quoted as saying he thought it was a yellow at the very most

Fraser Brown is known to be pretty poor discipline wise. That wouldn't shock me.

[Paddington Bear]

These clearouts are 2021's version of tip tackles. For a while it was all disgraceful, refs were too picky, 'by the letter of the law' etc. Then players just cut it out their game. We'll have forgotten all of this by the next world cup.

[Big D]

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/hamish-w ... that-call/

@hamishwatson7
Replying to
@STVNews
Poor comments from me, emotions were very high after losing a very tight match. Players health is paramount.

Sorry. Took a while to register what you posted. Do wonder if he was given a tap on the shoulder from management though!

Probably a bit of both. They wont be in camp today but might have had a message. He is a 7 he'll take his fair share of shoulders to be head so will know cracking down on it is a benefit.

I think we all enjoy, or many of us will, hearing from players soon after games. If we are wanting to hear their immediate thoughts (up to 24-36 hours after the game) when emotions are high then we have to allow for speaking with emotion.

This type of red is a step in the right direction, but the players have played that way all their lives. It will take time to recalibrate their minds.

[JM2K6]

I'd be absolutely fine not hearing from players shortly after games. It's usually banal shite, and I feel for the players having to explain themselves when exhausted / emotionally all over the place anyway.

[Torquemada 1420]

I'd be absolutely fine not hearing from players shortly after games. It's usually banal shite, and I feel for the players having to explain themselves when exhausted / emotionally all over the place anyway.

Ditto. I am interested in hearing what coaches have to say and would like to hear from refs too but the latter is never happening. Happy to dispense with most of the pre and post match sh*te which is normally conducted by the likes of Jiffy.

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[C69]

These clearouts are 2021's version of tip tackles. For a while it was all disgraceful, refs were too picky, 'by the letter of the law' etc. Then players just cut it out their game. We'll have forgotten all of this by the next world cup.

This

[Yr Alban]

I thought red was harsh, but that was because the actual contact made with the head was minimal. The main point of impact was the chest - the head was only involved at all because Fagerson has meaty shoulders. However, that doesn’t change the fact that it was both illegal and insanely stupid (what is an no-arms shoulder charge going to achieve? At the absolute best you’ll give away a penalty) and the game will be better if such things are eliminated. The problem at the moment is that we’re in the adjustment phase, where refs are giving out reds for some incidents and letting others pass, and the players don’t know quite where they stand. Agree that in a year or two it won’t be a thing any more.

[Openside]

Glad to see that response from him. There's plenty of 'games gone soft' dickheads (a lot of nostalgia-drunk twats here in Wales particularly) who don't need any encouragement.

My guess is the PC police told him what to say and he was 're-educated'

[Openside]

These clearouts are 2021's version of tip tackles. For a while it was all disgraceful, refs were too picky, 'by the letter of the law' etc. Then players just cut it out their game. We'll have forgotten all of this by the next world cup.

Is a fair point.

[robmatic]

I thought red was harsh, but that was because the actual contact made with the head was minimal. The main point of impact was the chest - the head was only involved at all because Fagerson has meaty shoulders. However, that doesn’t change the fact that it was both illegal and insanely stupid (what is an no-arms shoulder charge going to achieve? At the absolute best you’ll give away a penalty) and the game will be better if such things are eliminated. The problem at the moment is that we’re in the adjustment phase, where refs are giving out reds for some incidents and letting others pass, and the players don’t know quite where they stand. Agree that in a year or two it won’t be a thing any more.

Yes, there wasn't much to the contact.

I'm definitely in favour of players not torpedoing into rucks but you can probably find multiple examples of clearouts with similar amounts of contact to the head in each game at the moment, which is probably why this red card is chafing some players and fans.

[JM2K6]

He hit him in the jaw. It's plenty dangerous. The fact that he then hit the body is irrelevant, tbh, and he was extraordinarily lucky that the player was being pulled backwards at the moment of impact, otherwise he'd have hit him flush in the head with the full force of his braced shoulder.

[Torquemada 1420]

you can probably find multiple examples of clearouts with similar amounts of contact to the head in each game at the moment, which is probably why this red card is chafing some players and fans.

No. You really can't.

[Blackmac]

I'd be absolutely fine not hearing from players shortly after games. It's usually banal shite, and I feel for the players having to explain themselves when exhausted / emotionally all over the place anyway.

Absolutely this. Even as a fan you find that your impression of a match can vary wildly after you watch it again in the cold light of day.

[Yr Alban]

I'd be absolutely fine not hearing from players shortly after games. It's usually banal shite, and I feel for the players having to explain themselves when exhausted / emotionally all over the place anyway.

Absolutely this. Even as a fan you find that your impression of a match can vary wildly after you watch it again in the cold light of day.

Amen to that...

[Yr Alban]

you can probably find multiple examples of clearouts with similar amounts of contact to the head in each game at the moment, which is probably why this red card is chafing some players and fans.

No. You really can't.

Not multiple examples in every game, but it's undeniably true that this is being refereed a bit inconsistently just now - just as tip tackles were a few years ago. Some instances get red cards, others don't, and what exactly constitutes the offence is interpreted slightly differently by different refs.

The thing with tip tackles wasn't that the interpretation of the law got clearer - it was that the threat of being randomly sent off made players take care not to tackle in a way that might be interpreted as such. The same will happen with leading with the shoulder like this - eventually players will stop doing it, and the definition of the offence won't be an issue any more.

[Torquemada 1420]

you can probably find multiple examples of clearouts with similar amounts of contact to the head in each game at the moment, which is probably why this red card is chafing some players and fans.

No. You really can't.

Not multiple examples in every game, but it's undeniably true that this is being refereed a bit inconsistently just now - just as tip tackles were a few years ago. Some instances get red cards, others don't, and what exactly constitutes the offence is interpreted slightly differently by different refs.

The thing with tip tackles wasn't that the interpretation of the law got clearer - it was that the threat of being randomly sent off made players take care not to tackle in a way that might be interpreted as such. The same will happen with leading with the shoulder like this - eventually players will stop doing it, and the definition of the offence won't be an issue any more.

Agreed and BCM's point i.e. don't put the ref in a position to make the decision. Unlike the tip tackle, which can happen because of the speed and dynamics, exocetting into a ruck is entirely pre-meditated so I expect this to sort quickly.