Americas Cup - Official Thread
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stunt_cunt
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Ainsley going to have to sort his starts out. Its do or die from here in and he's been getting stuffed everytime. If he can start in front he will probably stay there.
Yep, Spithill's totally bossing the starts against Ainslie, just as he did against Barker.Ymx wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:45 am Ineos got absolutely smoked there.
Smoked at the start, out sailed then done for speed ending up well over 1km behind
Watching that start again. Ben was extremely reckless how close he got there. That looked so dangerously close.
Sounds like he isn’t worried about penalties, based on his comment about doing it again, just wanted to force his way in to the right hand side. No wonder he has so many collisions when he gets his agression on.
Sounds like he isn’t worried about penalties, based on his comment about doing it again, just wanted to force his way in to the right hand side. No wonder he has so many collisions when he gets his agression on.
I hate to say it, but I think he’ll take Burling apart in the starts. Assuming he converts this. I appreciate the history o last time. Everyone said the same until the actual AC final and Burling did very well. But this time it’s the spitbull with the real race practice, and was dominant to begin with.
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Monkey Magic
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Almost an interesting second race of the day.
Big differences at this stage vs earlier and even back to pre Christmas, these guys don't come off the foils anymore. That avenue of getting back in the race seems well and truly gone
Big differences at this stage vs earlier and even back to pre Christmas, these guys don't come off the foils anymore. That avenue of getting back in the race seems well and truly gone
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stunt_cunt
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Yeah the tv coverage isn't up to it at all. Seems odd because theres nothing we don't have here to give a top class image.
Presumably it's the software of the folk running it. I'd expect some of the onboard images and audio to be a little sketchy but the course overlays seem to be all up the fuck and really unco.
Presumably it's the software of the folk running it. I'd expect some of the onboard images and audio to be a little sketchy but the course overlays seem to be all up the fuck and really unco.
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stunt_cunt
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Ah well, hard luck brits. Good effort but just not quite enough.
Think they'd make a worthwhile challenger though. Ainsley and Mr ineos moneybags seem a little more grounded and down to earth.
Think they'd make a worthwhile challenger though. Ainsley and Mr ineos moneybags seem a little more grounded and down to earth.
Worthy bronze medallists.stunt_cunt wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:45 am Ah well, hard luck brits. Good effort but just not quite enough.
Think they'd make a worthwhile challenger though. Ainsley and Mr ineos moneybags seem a little more grounded and down to earth.
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Thor Sedan
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Luna Rossa surely have the advantage over ETNZ?
They have proven race pace, tactics up the waazoo and Spithill is being ramped up as a better sailor than Burling.
How fast is ETNZ?
They have proven race pace, tactics up the waazoo and Spithill is being ramped up as a better sailor than Burling.
How fast is ETNZ?
Well it’s now time for the America’s Cup.
Feel a bit for Ben and crew, looked helpless in the Prada cup finals. Sounds like he’s going to be kicking around for the next one.
An odd question in the presser lead to an awkward moment. They asked Ben if he will now be helping out LR. He awkwardly answered as best he could to say no.
Feel a bit for Ben and crew, looked helpless in the Prada cup finals. Sounds like he’s going to be kicking around for the next one.
An odd question in the presser lead to an awkward moment. They asked Ben if he will now be helping out LR. He awkwardly answered as best he could to say no.
You know what they say about technology during war.Thor Sedan wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:13 am Luna Rossa surely have the advantage over ETNZ?
They have proven race pace, tactics up the waazoo and Spithill is being ramped up as a better sailor than Burling.
How fast is ETNZ?
I’d have to say they might be ahead on speed as well as manoeuvres and per race tactics. I think LR at a huge advantage
The big question is how good are Team NZ in light winds? We know Luna Rossa is great under 13 knots.... are TNZ? Then again, if the winds are above 13 knots... apparently TNZ, like Ineos are fast... but will Luna Rossa be any good in those stronger winds.. if they happen?Ymx wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:01 pmYou know what they say about technology during war.Thor Sedan wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:13 am Luna Rossa surely have the advantage over ETNZ?
They have proven race pace, tactics up the waazoo and Spithill is being ramped up as a better sailor than Burling.
How fast is ETNZ?
I’d have to say they might be ahead on speed as well as manoeuvres and per race tactics. I think LR at a huge advantage
Be a shame if the final comes down to wind speeds as well... lets hope they are evenly matched in all winds...
At the start all boats were even although ETNZ was a tad faster.
Then Ineos cranked up the volume massively and took the field apart.
Luna Rossa then leap frogged them and pretty much donutted them.
So in terms of speeds between the start and now LR are going an absolute shed faster than ETNZ of the past.
So have ETNZ been able to keep up in the arms race, without the threat of extinction the others have had.
I’d say LR would be favourite
Then Ineos cranked up the volume massively and took the field apart.
Luna Rossa then leap frogged them and pretty much donutted them.
So in terms of speeds between the start and now LR are going an absolute shed faster than ETNZ of the past.
So have ETNZ been able to keep up in the arms race, without the threat of extinction the others have had.
I’d say LR would be favourite
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Thor Sedan
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I think ETNZ will have superior data on the Prada team - but I don't think they'll like the results of the data they have.
LR have sorted their issues in the higher wind ranges - and are lightning in lower winds. They're well drilled in race phase and smooth on turns - plus Spithill and Bruni are very good at the starts.
But then I guess we don't know what package ETNZ will bring - they have been doing some serious development of their foils haven't they?
LR have sorted their issues in the higher wind ranges - and are lightning in lower winds. They're well drilled in race phase and smooth on turns - plus Spithill and Bruni are very good at the starts.
But then I guess we don't know what package ETNZ will bring - they have been doing some serious development of their foils haven't they?
ETNZ are favourites with the bookies.
ETNZ $1.57 - Luna Rossa - $2.30
You have to remember there is a LOT of sandbagging in Sailing, LR have been very coy with developments and how they have sailed since last year. Remember American Magic were just behind ETNZ in December (when INEOS went winless) Then into Prada cup and INEOS win 6-0 and America drops out 0-6.
Swings like that are not luck, LR know when the need to sail fast, Semi and now Final both won easily. The turnaround in their boat from Round robin where they had a 3-3 record to winning 7-1 in the final are not a fluke. On the opposite side ETNZ chose these boats, have the best designers and you better believe they will be ready. They have the benefit of knowing EVERYTHING about the LR boat, as someone mentioned previously they know what their boat can do and they will have some changes up their sleeve if the first weekend doesn't go to plan.
ETNZ have been sailing out on the same courses before the Prada cup finals over the last month so they know their speed, compared to what LR does in the same water and conditions. Hence why the holders are always so hard to beat when you can sit back and learn everything about those challenging you.
Like all America's cups the 1st race on 6th March will reveal a LOT about how this will pan out
ETNZ $1.57 - Luna Rossa - $2.30
You have to remember there is a LOT of sandbagging in Sailing, LR have been very coy with developments and how they have sailed since last year. Remember American Magic were just behind ETNZ in December (when INEOS went winless) Then into Prada cup and INEOS win 6-0 and America drops out 0-6.
Swings like that are not luck, LR know when the need to sail fast, Semi and now Final both won easily. The turnaround in their boat from Round robin where they had a 3-3 record to winning 7-1 in the final are not a fluke. On the opposite side ETNZ chose these boats, have the best designers and you better believe they will be ready. They have the benefit of knowing EVERYTHING about the LR boat, as someone mentioned previously they know what their boat can do and they will have some changes up their sleeve if the first weekend doesn't go to plan.
ETNZ have been sailing out on the same courses before the Prada cup finals over the last month so they know their speed, compared to what LR does in the same water and conditions. Hence why the holders are always so hard to beat when you can sit back and learn everything about those challenging you.
Like all America's cups the 1st race on 6th March will reveal a LOT about how this will pan out
But the one race Luna Rossa lost to Ineos was the one race where winds got above 13 knots.... so what makes you think they have sorted out their issues in higher winds?Thor Sedan wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:08 pm I think ETNZ will have superior data on the Prada team - but I don't think they'll like the results of the data they have.
LR have sorted their issues in the higher wind ranges - and are lightning in lower winds. They're well drilled in race phase and smooth on turns - plus Spithill and Bruni are very good at the starts.
But then I guess we don't know what package ETNZ will bring - they have been doing some serious development of their foils haven't they?
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Thor Sedan
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Well the last 2 races were in 12 knots and they were fairly comfortable. I'm not sure that one loss in 13 knots is a sign of issues. They were also beaten in the start box which happened once in the final. They are a good package and experienced in racing now - that's all I'm saying .Grandpa wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:55 pmBut the one race Luna Rossa lost to Ineos was the one race where winds got above 13 knots.... so what makes you think they have sorted out their issues in higher winds?Thor Sedan wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:08 pm I think ETNZ will have superior data on the Prada team - but I don't think they'll like the results of the data they have.
LR have sorted their issues in the higher wind ranges - and are lightning in lower winds. They're well drilled in race phase and smooth on turns - plus Spithill and Bruni are very good at the starts.
But then I guess we don't know what package ETNZ will bring - they have been doing some serious development of their foils haven't they?
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Monkey Magic
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Apparently wind getting up toward 17 on course, whatever happens it will happen fast
Well, that was a pretty smooth race by ETNZ.
Great start and just kept themselves ahead.
No huge boat speed difference. Though sounded like they had quite a different foil set up, and overheard LR planning to change the gib.
So this next one is going to be interesting again.
Great start and just kept themselves ahead.
No huge boat speed difference. Though sounded like they had quite a different foil set up, and overheard LR planning to change the gib.
So this next one is going to be interesting again.
Great stuff on the start too. Burling and Ashby pretty faultless.
Not knowledgeable enough to understand why it wasn’t a penalty on the turn. Certainly looked plenty close enough.
But might be something to do with not being allowed to turn so quickly in to a collision situation?? Anyone know?
Not knowledgeable enough to understand why it wasn’t a penalty on the turn. Certainly looked plenty close enough.
But might be something to do with not being allowed to turn so quickly in to a collision situation?? Anyone know?
I heard one commentator say that ETNZ clearly turned in an attempt to get out of LR's way.Ymx wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:56 am Great stuff on the start too. Burling and Ashby pretty faultless.
Not knowledgeable enough to understand why it wasn’t a penalty on the turn. Certainly looked plenty close enough.
But might be something to do with not being allowed to turn so quickly in to a collision situation?? Anyone know?