COVID-19 in SOUTH AFRICA

[Sards]

100% agree.

My point is that us as individuals should be data literate and vigilant so that we can spot the trends early enough so that we don't have to wait for the heavy hammer of Government to come slamming down on us. We are not out of the woods by any stretch of the imagination and if we become complacent there will be an upswing, a 3rd wave and possibly another catastrophic lockdown...all avoidable.

Dude you can put a balance sheet in front of me showing a profit and in half an hour I will show a break even. Data can so easily be manipulated .

You mean income statement, balance sheet shows solvency. Yes I am serious about the crime wave and civil unrest. The poor have very little left in the tank and winter is here soon.

I meant financial reports but wanted a word everyone understands. The point stands. Depending on who is presenting a report you can make it sound like exactly what you want it to sound like. I find it very strange how infections and deaths have dropped so dramatically. And I mean absolutely off the charts. Late last year the economy was dealt a second blow with another lockdown. Zuma s family probably made a fortune out of illicit cigarettes during lockdowns. Damn I even smoked some of that shit at the end out of absolute desperation. Vowing from the start that I would not do so . But you do what you must. Then BAT had them by the balls in court and it all ended. Hey presto the economy opens up again and the numbers are like wtf....the rest of the world was locking down and our numbers were dropping drastically. I suspect a great deal of manipulation in the numbers to suit agendas.

[Blake]

Dude you can put a balance sheet in front of me showing a profit and in half an hour I will show a break even. Data can so easily be manipulated .

True, but give me decent forensic auditor and your fraud will be exposed.

There are so many eyeballs from actuaries and statisticians and academics on the Covid data and it is being picked apart by so many people and models and simulations, that there really isn’t really anywhere to hide in the data.

Where there was underreporting, of covid infections or deaths, there are a number of other data markers to expose that and it is adjusted for in the models used for decision making.

But the media and public usually focus on the most flawed numbers because they are also the easiest to interpret...and challenge based on anecdotal experiences or stories.

[Sards]

Dude you can put a balance sheet in front of me showing a profit and in half an hour I will show a break even. Data can so easily be manipulated .

True, but give me decent forensic auditor and your fraud will be exposed.

There are so many eyeballs from actuaries and statisticians and academics on the Covid data and it is being picked apart by so many people and models and simulations, that there really isn’t really anywhere to hide in the data.

Where there was underreporting, of covid infections or deaths, there are a number of other data markers to expose that and it is adjusted for in the models used for decision making.

But the media and public usually focus on the most flawed numbers because they are also the easiest to interpret...and challenge based on anecdotal experiences or stories.

Cool. Start at the beginning. Just so I can understand. Who collected all the data. I don't feel like googling Covid...that shit will be all over my phone

[OomStruisbaai]

As long as it isn't Sards stats.

[Chilli]

Yea Oom, why did you personally decline those opportunities?

Seriously.... i would kill for a match against the Kiwi teams right now....

Griquas
Pumas
Cheetahs
Stormers


Vok me...thats like school boy rugby

The result last night must have pleased you.

[Chilli]

Accurately tracking infections and deaths was never going to be possible in SA. The primary objective imo was to prevent our health system being completely overwhelmed. Pointless to compare ourselves on any worldometer. Press on with vaccination and continue with prudent containment measures is now key. But we also need to remove any obstacles to our economic recovery. That is causing more suffering than the illness itself - the economic collapse that is.

100% agree.

My point is that us as individuals should be data literate and vigilant so that we can spot the trends early enough so that we don't have to wait for the heavy hammer of Government to come slamming down on us. We are not out of the woods by any stretch of the imagination and if we become complacent there will be an upswing, a 3rd wave and possibly another catastrophic lockdown...all avoidable.

Yep, a lot of the talk on the other threads seems to involve cock waving, hand wringing, hubris and schadenfreude. All based on the global death and infection rankings.

I think that considering our circumstances we've done OK. I rely on local anecdotal evidence, some data like the small sample sero-prevalence studies etc to inform my attitude to this.

My contacts in Khayelitsha, Mitchells plain etc suggest that another lockdown won't be tolerated. A major crime wave and civil unrest would be on the cards imo.

Your contacts at the robots? The newspaper sellers?

[average joe]

100% agree.

My point is that us as individuals should be data literate and vigilant so that we can spot the trends early enough so that we don't have to wait for the heavy hammer of Government to come slamming down on us. We are not out of the woods by any stretch of the imagination and if we become complacent there will be an upswing, a 3rd wave and possibly another catastrophic lockdown...all avoidable.

Yep, a lot of the talk on the other threads seems to involve cock waving, hand wringing, hubris and schadenfreude. All based on the global death and infection rankings.

I think that considering our circumstances we've done OK. I rely on local anecdotal evidence, some data like the small sample sero-prevalence studies etc to inform my attitude to this.

My contacts in Khayelitsha, Mitchells plain etc suggest that another lockdown won't be tolerated. A major crime wave and civil unrest would be on the cards imo.

Your contacts at the robots? The newspaper sellers?

I don't know were he gets his info but I know when poor South Africans get angry they fokon burn stuff.

[assfly]

Guy in my office tested positive yesterday. Currently awaiting testing and office shut for two weeks. The 3rd wave is well and truly here in Kenya.

[FalseBayFC]

100% agree.

My point is that us as individuals should be data literate and vigilant so that we can spot the trends early enough so that we don't have to wait for the heavy hammer of Government to come slamming down on us. We are not out of the woods by any stretch of the imagination and if we become complacent there will be an upswing, a 3rd wave and possibly another catastrophic lockdown...all avoidable.

Yep, a lot of the talk on the other threads seems to involve cock waving, hand wringing, hubris and schadenfreude. All based on the global death and infection rankings.

I think that considering our circumstances we've done OK. I rely on local anecdotal evidence, some data like the small sample sero-prevalence studies etc to inform my attitude to this.

My contacts in Khayelitsha, Mitchells plain etc suggest that another lockdown won't be tolerated. A major crime wave and civil unrest would be on the cards imo.

Your contacts at the robots? The newspaper sellers?

lol no I mean people I've worked with, work with, go to church with, played league cricket and rugby with. Our church does food and adult diaper distribution on the cape flats and townships. I have met and worked with gang members from most of Cape Towns big gangs. Many of them cross over between formal business and crime. To get access to some areas for charity work you need to meet some shady characters.

[handyman]

Guy in my office tested positive yesterday. Currently awaiting testing and office shut for two weeks. The 3rd wave is well and truly here in Kenya.

Holdings thumbs for you boet. All the best.

[assfly]

Cheers

[Chilli]

Yep, a lot of the talk on the other threads seems to involve cock waving, hand wringing, hubris and schadenfreude. All based on the global death and infection rankings.

I think that considering our circumstances we've done OK. I rely on local anecdotal evidence, some data like the small sample sero-prevalence studies etc to inform my attitude to this.

My contacts in Khayelitsha, Mitchells plain etc suggest that another lockdown won't be tolerated. A major crime wave and civil unrest would be on the cards imo.

Your contacts at the robots? The newspaper sellers?

lol no I mean people I've worked with, work with, go to church with, played league cricket and rugby with. Our church does food and adult diaper distribution on the cape flats and townships. I have met and worked with gang members from most of Cape Towns big gangs. Many of them cross over between formal business and crime. To get access to some areas for charity work you need to meet some shady characters.

It was a bit of a woosh.
One of our departed posters used to get his rugby knowledge from them.

[FalseBayFC]

Your contacts at the robots? The newspaper sellers?

lol no I mean people I've worked with, work with, go to church with, played league cricket and rugby with. Our church does food and adult diaper distribution on the cape flats and townships. I have met and worked with gang members from most of Cape Towns big gangs. Many of them cross over between formal business and crime. To get access to some areas for charity work you need to meet some shady characters.

It was a bit of a woosh.
One of our departed posters used to get his rugby knowledge from them.

ah OK.
No more newspaper sellers. Carguards and car washers aplenty.

[FalseBayFC]

Guy in my office tested positive yesterday. Currently awaiting testing and office shut for two weeks. The 3rd wave is well and truly here in Kenya.

Holdings thumbs for you boet. All the best.

Absolutely - get well soon Assfly.

[Chilli]

Guy in my office tested positive yesterday. Currently awaiting testing and office shut for two weeks. The 3rd wave is well and truly here in Kenya.

Eish. I hope that it hasn't spread through your office.

[assfly]

Eish. I hope that it hasn't spread through your office.

It may have already come and gone, It's a young team and in Kenya we've consistently had 80-90% of cases asymptomatic. But let's see and hope for the best.

[Chilli]

Eish. I hope that it hasn't spread through your office.

It may have already come and gone, It's a young team and in Kenya we've consistently had 80-90% of cases asymptomatic. But let's see and hope for the best.

Good luck!

[OomStruisbaai]

Guy in my office tested positive yesterday. Currently awaiting testing and office shut for two weeks. The 3rd wave is well and truly here in Kenya.

Hope you stay away from your wife for 2 weeks.

[assfly]

Hope you stay away from your wife for 2 weeks.

As tempting as it sounds, it's not entirely practical. If I've got it, it is highly likely she will already have, and the kids. But yes I will isolate until they can all test too.

[OomStruisbaai]

Hope you stay away from your wife for 2 weeks.

As tempting as it sounds, it's not entirely practical. If I've got it, it is highly likely she will already have, and the kids. But yes I will isolate until they can all test too.

That sound easy. Control yourself!

[assfly]

That sound easy. Control yourself!

But you're right. I think some time away fishing in the bush is in order.

[average joe]

What type of fish do you catch in the bush?

[assfly]

What type of fish do you catch in the bush?

Tilapia mostly.

[average joe]

No hickory?

[assfly]

No hickory?

There are rivers in the bush.

But to be honest, I'd probably have a better chance of catching a plant than a fish.

[Fangle]

My wife has Covid. Four years ago she had a stroke weakening her left side mainly but she got to walking fine. On Monday she showed flu-like symptoms like high temperature and sore throat which we treated with ice packs etc. and since then her temperature wasn’t much above normal. But she was getting weaker and couldn’t walk to the loo. We thought it was a mini-stroke and called the ambulance.

On admission they always test for Covid and she was positive. CAT scans showed no brain change. So all the weakness must be due to Covid. She is in ICU and looks stable. I have no symptoms as yet, have had a test (results in 48 hours), and am self-isolating.

On checking all the people we have been in contact with - fairly few - I found that one of the house cleaners has covid as well. They were here last Tuesday and we tried to stay in different rooms from them. Not too well, apparently. Wife is stable.

[Sandstorm]

Good luck Oom. Hope you both get well soon.

[Fangle]

Thanks, Sandy.

[assfly]

My test came back negative, as has most of my office so far. Thankfully everyone has been quite good about wearing of masks.

Best of luck to your wife Fangle

[Calculon]

Hope your wife makes a quick recovery Fangle.

I'm currently in Stellenbosch, thousands of students have invaded the town, no social distancing and minimal mask wearing.

[Sards]

Hope your wife makes a quick recovery Fangle.

I'm currently in Stellenbosch, thousands of students have invaded the town, no social distancing and minimal mask wearing.

Have you tried that new restaurant Cuccino...I did it

[Sards]

My wife has Covid. Four years ago she had a stroke weakening her left side mainly but she got to walking fine. On Monday she showed flu-like symptoms like high temperature and sore throat which we treated with ice packs etc. and since then her temperature wasn’t much above normal. But she was getting weaker and couldn’t walk to the loo. We thought it was a mini-stroke and called the ambulance.

On admission they always test for Covid and she was positive. CAT scans showed no brain change. So all the weakness must be due to Covid. She is in ICU and looks stable. I have no symptoms as yet, have had a test (results in 48 hours), and am self-isolating.

On checking all the people we have been in contact with - fairly few - I found that one of the house cleaners has covid as well. They were here last Tuesday and we tried to stay in different rooms from them. Not too well, apparently. Wife is stable.

Good luck boet. Terrible when your partner is ill

[handyman]

Good luck Fangle, all of the best.

[Chilli]

My wife has Covid. Four years ago she had a stroke weakening her left side mainly but she got to walking fine. On Monday she showed flu-like symptoms like high temperature and sore throat which we treated with ice packs etc. and since then her temperature wasn’t much above normal. But she was getting weaker and couldn’t walk to the loo. We thought it was a mini-stroke and called the ambulance.

On admission they always test for Covid and she was positive. CAT scans showed no brain change. So all the weakness must be due to Covid. She is in ICU and looks stable. I have no symptoms as yet, have had a test (results in 48 hours), and am self-isolating.

On checking all the people we have been in contact with - fairly few - I found that one of the house cleaners has covid as well. They were here last Tuesday and we tried to stay in different rooms from them. Not too well, apparently. Wife is stable.

Eish. take care Fangle.

[Chilli]

My test came back negative, as has most of my office so far. Thankfully everyone has been quite good about wearing of masks.

Best of luck to your wife Fangle

Beers on you at the pub later?

[assfly]

Beers on you at the pub later?

Oh yes!

[Chilli]

Beers on you at the pub later?

Oh yes!

Appropriately social distanced with you being in Kenya and me in PE.

[assfly]

Appropriately social distanced with you being in Kenya and me in PE.

The conversation will be difficult, but we'll be safe.

I think by know we'd both know what we'd talk about

[Blake]

My wife has Covid. Four years ago she had a stroke weakening her left side mainly but she got to walking fine. On Monday she showed flu-like symptoms like high temperature and sore throat which we treated with ice packs etc. and since then her temperature wasn’t much above normal. But she was getting weaker and couldn’t walk to the loo. We thought it was a mini-stroke and called the ambulance.

On admission they always test for Covid and she was positive. CAT scans showed no brain change. So all the weakness must be due to Covid. She is in ICU and looks stable. I have no symptoms as yet, have had a test (results in 48 hours), and am self-isolating.

On checking all the people we have been in contact with - fairly few - I found that one of the house cleaners has covid as well. They were here last Tuesday and we tried to stay in different rooms from them. Not too well, apparently. Wife is stable.

Damn, sorry to hear that Oom.
Pretty much exactly the same thing as what happened to my gran. We also suspect she got it from one of the cleaners at the retirement village she lived at.
Hope you get your test back soon - at least if you are negative it's one less thing to stress about. Crazy that the turnaround time is 48 hours...12 hours seems to be the norm here.

Sterkte!

[Blake]

My test came back negative, as has most of my office so far. Thankfully everyone has been quite good about wearing of masks.

That's great news!

I've also dodged a couple of bullets at work. We've had 2 incidents at the office where I lucked out.

The one time a coworker I'd been in close proximity to for a couple of hours during the day let me know his fiance tested positive the next day. Luckily his test was negative.
The other time I bailed on a work trip list minute due to conflicting commitments and 5 people from our department caught it. 2 of them (both in their 30s) got really sick, both saying it's the most ill they've ever been.

It's a bit of a wake-up call when it gets that close.