So, coronavirus...

[Glaston]

meanwhile, EU states constant flip-flopping over the AZ vaccine, and the promotion of misinformation is having a completely foreseeable effect on vaccine confidence



Other figures from the same source:

Italy:
Safe: 36% (-18)
Unsafe: 43% (+27)

Spain:
Safe: 38% (-21)
Unsafe: 52% (+27)

Denmark:
Safe: 42%
Unsafe: 42%

Sweden:
Safe: 43%
Unsafe: 34%

Its not just the Europeans who are spooked by all the misinformation coming out of the EU politicians.

Even elderly Aussies are now showing a reluctance to have the AZ jab.
As for all those small third world countries which totally rely on AZ, they are going to be seriously screwed if their populations start having 2nd thoughts about getting vaccinated. Thye dont have the luxury of waiting for other vaccine shots.

[SaintK]

Ask the Euros:

"Would you rather have
a) 3 months more of Level 4 lockdown
or
b) AZ jab tomorrow?"

Quite!!
It's absolutely bonkers

[Lemoentjie]

All true. I still don't think the FDA will approve it

Would be a good indicator of how much lobbying Pfizer and Moderna can do

[ohno]

meanwhile, EU states constant flip-flopping over the AZ vaccine, and the promotion of misinformation is having a completely foreseeable effect on vaccine confidence



Other figures from the same source:

Italy:
Safe: 36% (-18)
Unsafe: 43% (+27)

Spain:
Safe: 38% (-21)
Unsafe: 52% (+27)

Denmark:
Safe: 42%
Unsafe: 42%

Sweden:
Safe: 43%
Unsafe: 34%

Its not just the Europeans who are spooked by all the misinformation coming out of the EU politicians.

Even elderly Aussies are now showing a reluctance to have the AZ jab.
As for all those small third world countries which totally rely on AZ, they are going to be seriously screwed if their populations start having 2nd thoughts about getting vaccinated. Thye dont have the luxury of waiting for other vaccine shots.

I had my AZ vaccine yesterday and the pharmacist made a deliberate effort to talk through side effects and how safe it was and addressed ‘stories you might have heard coming from Europe’. Also had side effect info stapled to the card. Talked to my friend who went through same centre two weeks ago and she said they did touch on it but not to the same extent. Im glad they are making an effort to address it.

If the US approve AZ I think it will go some way to help the image problem.

[GogLais]

meanwhile, EU states constant flip-flopping over the AZ vaccine, and the promotion of misinformation is having a completely foreseeable effect on vaccine confidence



Other figures from the same source:

Italy:
Safe: 36% (-18)
Unsafe: 43% (+27)

Spain:
Safe: 38% (-21)
Unsafe: 52% (+27)

Denmark:
Safe: 42%
Unsafe: 42%

Sweden:
Safe: 43%
Unsafe: 34%

Its not just the Europeans who are spooked by all the misinformation coming out of the EU politicians.

Even elderly Aussies are now showing a reluctance to have the AZ jab.

One of the good things about being old(ish) is not worrying about long-term side-effects.

[Saint]

Interesting how reading some of the reporting about the EU/AZ dispute little nuggets of information are coming out.

A major part of the reason that UK shortfall is below plan is that Cobra Biologics (up in Keele) is not fully functional. No-one's being entirely clear what's going on there.

In the EU, the Halix plant was massively underperforming until fairly recently when a UK team of AZ, Oxford, and UK gov staff went over to work out how to improve yields. That's now up to speed and Halix has been producing what's described as "good" yields but still needs sign off from EMA for EU supply. Halix was planned to be part of the UK supply chain back as early as May last year, and was signed off by MHRA sometime around June/July

[Sandstorm]

One of the good things about being old(ish) is not worrying about long-term side-effects.

Would you rather survive 1 x blood clot from a vaccine that has little lasting effect like a stroke
or
live for the last 7 years of your life with nuked lungs from surviving Covid19, so that walking to the kettle leaves you exhausted?

"Nah, I'll wait for the Modera vaccine in the autumn please, Doc."

[Hal Jordan]

Got my first vaccine today. Hooray for me!

[Sandstorm]

Got my first vaccine today. Hooray for me!

[Saint]

419K doses yesterday - not bad for a Sunday

4.2 million doses delivered last week

[Lobby]

This, allied to this morning's statement from EU officials that their argument is with AZ and not the UK “The UK is not to blame. The EU is not to blame,” said an EU official. “It’s about everyone finding agreement with a company that has been over-selling its production capacity.” suggests that the Eu may be rowing back on its threats to block vaccine exports to the UK.

[Hal Jordan]

Got my first vaccine today. Hooray for me!

Feeling slightly crap (and milking it for sympathy). My daughter has come in and asked if I'm dead yet.

[fishfoodie]

This, allied to this morning's statement from EU officials that their argument is with AZ and not the UK “The UK is not to blame. The EU is not to blame,” said an EU official. “It’s about everyone finding agreement with a company that has been over-selling its production capacity.” suggests that the Eu may be rowing back on its threats to block vaccine exports to the UK.

What it comes down to from an EU position is; that the UK is now vaccinating, ostensibly health, low risk citizens, with vaccines that have been exported from the EU; while the EU states haven't been able to vaccinate all it's high-risk groups.

That's isn't right.

[Raggs]

This, allied to this morning's statement from EU officials that their argument is with AZ and not the UK “The UK is not to blame. The EU is not to blame,” said an EU official. “It’s about everyone finding agreement with a company that has been over-selling its production capacity.” suggests that the Eu may be rowing back on its threats to block vaccine exports to the UK.

What it comes down to from an EU position is; that the UK is now vaccinating, ostensibly health, low risk citizens, with vaccines that have been exported from the EU; while the EU states haven't been able to vaccinate all it's high-risk groups.

That's isn't right.

How long passed before they approved the vaccines after the UK had? How many doses of AZ do they have sat in fridges because people have refused to accept it?

The UK is vaccinating as fast as it receives doses, the evidence suggests the EU is not managing the same.

[Hong Kong]

Yes you are...

[Raggs]

I love the idea that if you do something for 10 days, your covid symptoms will pass... not that a cold/flu/covid would generally do the same...

[Lobby]

This, allied to this morning's statement from EU officials that their argument is with AZ and not the UK “The UK is not to blame. The EU is not to blame,” said an EU official. “It’s about everyone finding agreement with a company that has been over-selling its production capacity.” suggests that the Eu may be rowing back on its threats to block vaccine exports to the UK.

What it comes down to from an EU position is; that the UK is now vaccinating, ostensibly health, low risk citizens, with vaccines that have been exported from the EU; while the EU states haven't been able to vaccinate all it's high-risk groups.

That's isn't right.

The EU's vaccine procurement programme dithered and delayed because it prioritised price over speed, and tried to balance out orders between German and French suppliers. Even though the AZ vaccine is delivered at cost, it failed to sign contracts until 3 months after the UK, and also failed to agree as strict contract conditions with AZ as the UK. The UK has also had significant shortfalls in vaccine delivery; we just happen to be way ahead of the EU because purchasing, manufacture and approval happened earlier, and so we have already dealt with the problems the EU is now experiencing.

If the EU had a solid legal case that AZ wasn't meeting its contractual obligations, it would take AZ to court, rather than spread disinformation about the vaccine and threaten to seize vaccine shipments.

[Saint]

This, allied to this morning's statement from EU officials that their argument is with AZ and not the UK “The UK is not to blame. The EU is not to blame,” said an EU official. “It’s about everyone finding agreement with a company that has been over-selling its production capacity.” suggests that the Eu may be rowing back on its threats to block vaccine exports to the UK.

What it comes down to from an EU position is; that the UK is now vaccinating, ostensibly health, low risk citizens, with vaccines that have been exported from the EU; while the EU states haven't been able to vaccinate all it's high-risk groups.

That's isn't right.

How long passed before they approved the vaccines after the UK had? How many doses of AZ do they have sat in fridges because people have refused to accept it?

The UK is vaccinating as fast as it receives doses, the evidence suggests the EU is not managing the same.

Yeah. This argument doesn't really make any sense as it basically means everyone needs to go at the pace of the slowest vaccinating country.

It also completely ignores that most of the high risk groups in the UK still need 2nd doses

On the flip side, we could send the entire production capacity of AZ in the UK to the EU for the next year and still barely make a dent in their requirements. Then I don't think anything else being manufactured in the UK that actually might be of volume to help out is on the EU order list. Both Novavax and Valesca (if successful) will manufacture at likely higher volumes in the UK than AZ, and anyway, the UK has pledged all unused orders to Covax

[Saint]

I love the idea that if you do something for 10 days, your covid symptoms will pass... not that a cold/flu/covid would generally do the same...

Frankly, his understanding of Occam's Razor at the end was perfect.

[fishfoodie]

This, allied to this morning's statement from EU officials that their argument is with AZ and not the UK “The UK is not to blame. The EU is not to blame,” said an EU official. “It’s about everyone finding agreement with a company that has been over-selling its production capacity.” suggests that the Eu may be rowing back on its threats to block vaccine exports to the UK.

What it comes down to from an EU position is; that the UK is now vaccinating, ostensibly health, low risk citizens, with vaccines that have been exported from the EU; while the EU states haven't been able to vaccinate all it's high-risk groups.

That's isn't right.

The EU's vaccine procurement programme dithered and delayed because it prioritised price over speed, and tried to balance out orders between German and French suppliers. Even though the AZ vaccine is delivered at cost, it failed to sign contracts until 3 months after the UK, and also failed to agree as strict contract conditions with AZ as the UK. The UK has also had significant shortfalls in vaccine delivery; we just happen to be way ahead of the EU because purchasing, manufacture and approval happened earlier, and so we have already dealt with the problems the EU is now experiencing.

If the EU had a solid legal case that AZ wasn't meeting its contractual obligations, it would take AZ to court, rather than spread disinformation about the vaccine and threaten to seize vaccine shipments.

The EU is exporting vaccines to the UK; while EU, high-risk citizens haven't been vaccinated !

How many vaccines has the UK exported to the EU ?

I don't like the fact that vaccines have become a Political issue; but that's where we are; & there are a few hundred cunts in Westminster who are doing their best to make a bad situation worse.

What they & the UK should be thinking over; is not the next 5 months; but the next 5-10 years.

What happens if Covid-27 rolls around, & the only efficient vaccine is being manufactured in say, Romania. How will the UK react to French Politicians spouting on about how if the UK stayed in the EU; their economy would be open sooner, & their citizens wouldn't be dying ?

[Fangle]

It was reported today that my state, Georgia, had the fewest new cases since June last year.

[Calculon]

It was reported today that my state, Georgia, had the fewest new cases since June last year.

how are feeling after your second Pfizer dose?

[Rinkals]

It was reported today that my state, Georgia, had the fewest new cases since June last year.

That really is interesting.

I'm assuming that Georgia is Trump Heartland and that resistance to mask wearing and lockdown is strong?

What would be the reason for that? Warmer weather? less indoor activities? fewer Trump rallies?

[Raggs]

Let's get something straight. The eu isn't exporting any vaccine. Neither is the uk. Private companies are exporting vaccine as agreed in contracts. They'd have no reason to prioritise the uk on a "feels" basis, in fact quite the opposite, so therefore it must be contractual.

[Insane_Homer]

[Lobby]

Let's get something straight. The eu isn't exporting any vaccine. Neither is the uk. Private companies are exporting vaccine as agreed in contracts. They'd have no reason to prioritise the uk on a "feels" basis, in fact quite the opposite, so therefore it must be contractual.

There is also no contractual basis for the EU's claims about 'reciprocity'; it is an emotional argument being used by the EU because there is no legal basis for them to demand either that AZ supplies it with vaccines manufactured in the UK, or that AZ stop fulfilling its contracts with the UK with vaccines manufactured in the EU. It sounds good, and has been seized upon by the FBPE crowd, but it is meaningless in commercial terms.

[Saint]

What it comes down to from an EU position is; that the UK is now vaccinating, ostensibly health, low risk citizens, with vaccines that have been exported from the EU; while the EU states haven't been able to vaccinate all it's high-risk groups.

That's isn't right.

The EU's vaccine procurement programme dithered and delayed because it prioritised price over speed, and tried to balance out orders between German and French suppliers. Even though the AZ vaccine is delivered at cost, it failed to sign contracts until 3 months after the UK, and also failed to agree as strict contract conditions with AZ as the UK. The UK has also had significant shortfalls in vaccine delivery; we just happen to be way ahead of the EU because purchasing, manufacture and approval happened earlier, and so we have already dealt with the problems the EU is now experiencing.

If the EU had a solid legal case that AZ wasn't meeting its contractual obligations, it would take AZ to court, rather than spread disinformation about the vaccine and threaten to seize vaccine shipments.

The EU is exporting vaccines to the UK; while EU, high-risk citizens haven't been vaccinated !

How many vaccines has the UK exported to the EU ?

I don't like the fact that vaccines have become a Political issue; but that's where we are; & there are a few hundred cunts in Westminster who are doing their best to make a bad situation worse.

What they & the UK should be thinking over; is not the next 5 months; but the next 5-10 years.

What happens if Covid-27 rolls around, & the only efficient vaccine is being manufactured in say, Romania. How will the UK react to French Politicians spouting on about how if the UK stayed in the EU; their economy would be open sooner, & their citizens wouldn't be dying ?

The UK is thinking this over and making significant investments to change things for the future. There's a huge amount of direct government money going into building out infrastructure right now so that as a country we simply won't be anywhere near as dependent on third countries for vaccine supplies, from the VMIC in Harwell to the Cell and Gene Therapy Catapult Manufacturing Centre in Braintree, through to direct investments in manufacturing facilities for Novavax and Valneva. Even with all of that though, their simply will never be real capacity in the UK to provide any sort of bulk export capability for the rest of the world - the scale being built in the UK will be to provide for the UK and hopefully provide some marginal assistance to a global effort.

That's why the government is emphasising the other things that the UK brings to the party, such as the ability to rapidly spin up Phase III trials, MHRAs expertise in rolling reviews, etc.

[Sandstorm]

Let's get something straight. The eu isn't exporting any vaccine. Neither is the uk. Private companies are exporting vaccine as agreed in contracts. They'd have no reason to prioritise the uk on a "feels" basis, in fact quite the opposite, so therefore it must be contractual.

Price.

UK pays £3 per AZ jab
EU pays £1.59

Money talks

[Raggs]

Let's get something straight. The eu isn't exporting any vaccine. Neither is the uk. Private companies are exporting vaccine as agreed in contracts. They'd have no reason to prioritise the uk on a "feels" basis, in fact quite the opposite, so therefore it must be contractual.

Price.

UK pays £3 per AZ jab
EU pays £1.59

Money talks

Where's that from? I've seen the leaks on what the eu has paid but not what the uk paid.

But yes, buying in greater bulk helps. I reckon 50% vaccinated already will pay off that difference soon enough though.

[Tichtheid]

I had a first dose of the AZ vaccine on Saturday, I had symptoms of a cold on Sunday which lasted through to yesterday. I don't know if this was a side effect or if I just had a cold.

The vaccination point on my arm is a wee bit tender, but otherwise all good.

[Saint]

Let's get something straight. The eu isn't exporting any vaccine. Neither is the uk. Private companies are exporting vaccine as agreed in contracts. They'd have no reason to prioritise the uk on a "feels" basis, in fact quite the opposite, so therefore it must be contractual.

Price.

UK pays £3 per AZ jab
EU pays £1.59

Money talks

I was under the impression that at least part of the reason why the UK cost is higher per dose is that the facilities producing in the UK are smaller, so economies of scale aren't coming into play

[Insane_Homer]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... um=twitter

Covid travel rules will include 'Stanley Johnson loophole' for second homes

Updated regulations will allow people to leave UK to prepare second homes for sale or rent

[Fangle]

It was reported today that my state, Georgia, had the fewest new cases since June last year.

how are feeling after your second Pfizer dose?

No problems. But looking back maybe some lethargy on the next morning.

[Sandstorm]

Let's get something straight. The eu isn't exporting any vaccine. Neither is the uk. Private companies are exporting vaccine as agreed in contracts. They'd have no reason to prioritise the uk on a "feels" basis, in fact quite the opposite, so therefore it must be contractual.

Price.

UK pays £3 per AZ jab
EU pays £1.59

Money talks

Where's that from? I've seen the leaks on what the eu has paid but not what the uk paid.

But yes, buying in greater bulk helps. I reckon 50% vaccinated already will pay off that difference soon enough though.

The UK is believed to have spent between £24 and £28 per dose on the Moderna jab, the Daily Mail reports. The domestically produced Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine cost the government around £3 per jab, according to the BBC, while the Pfizer/BioNTech jab has a price tag of around £15.

Meanwhile, Belgium’s Budget State Secretary Eva De Bleeker gave an insight into what the EU is paying when she accidentally tweeted a table last month that showed the price of each jab. The now-deleted tweet revealed that the EU is handing over €1.78 (£1.59) for each dose of the Oxford vaccine and €12 (£10.60) for the Pfizer version.

https://www.theweek.co.uk/951750/what-d ... -pays-what

[Sandstorm]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... um=twitter

Covid travel rules will include 'Stanley Johnson loophole' for second homes

Updated regulations will allow people to leave UK to prepare second homes for sale or rent

"The exemption allows people to travel abroad “in connection with the purchase, sale, letting or rental of a residential property”. Those activities include visiting an estate agent, developer sales office or show home, viewing residential properties to rent or buy, and preparing a property for moving in."

FFS, this Govt is actually a bunch of useless cunts

[GogLais]

My son in his early 40s has just got a date for his jab. I can take the piss out of him for being middle-aged now.

[Sandstorm]

My son in his early 40s has just got a date for his jab. I can take the piss out of him for being middle-aged now.

[JM2K6]

It was reported today that my state, Georgia, had the fewest new cases since June last year.

That really is interesting.

I'm assuming that Georgia is Trump Heartland and that resistance to mask wearing and lockdown is strong?

What would be the reason for that? Warmer weather? less indoor activities? fewer Trump rallies?

Georgia flipped blue for the senate seat, and given the ridiculous gerrymandering, the national election results there were v close. Calling it Trump Heartland is probably some way off the mark. The Trump heartlands are the rust belt plus Florida and a few other places.

[Hal Jordan]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... um=twitter

Covid travel rules will include 'Stanley Johnson loophole' for second homes

Updated regulations will allow people to leave UK to prepare second homes for sale or rent

"The exemption allows people to travel abroad “in connection with the purchase, sale, letting or rental of a residential property”. Those activities include visiting an estate agent, developer sales office or show home, viewing residential properties to rent or buy, and preparing a property for moving in."

FFS, this Govt is actually a bunch of useless cunts

I'm not sure 'useless' is the correct term. They are hugely efficient, but only in very venal and specific ways.

[Paddington Bear]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... um=twitter

Covid travel rules will include 'Stanley Johnson loophole' for second homes

Updated regulations will allow people to leave UK to prepare second homes for sale or rent

"The exemption allows people to travel abroad “in connection with the purchase, sale, letting or rental of a residential property”. Those activities include visiting an estate agent, developer sales office or show home, viewing residential properties to rent or buy, and preparing a property for moving in."

FFS, this Govt is actually a bunch of useless cunts

Jeez that's a wanky loophole. Still, the Sunday Times mentioned they're selling properties in Sicily for 1 Euro...