So, coronavirus...
Theory going on the bloodclots is that Germany gave AZ to a large number of younger women, since it was their health/social care vaccine, whereas the UK mostly used the Pfizer for these groups, and AZ for older age groups. Suspect it may be young women that are more susceptible.
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Alcohol is always a catalyst for poor behaviour!shaggy wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:29 amOh, I know. However those same green spaces were not half as popular a few short weeks ago when we had good weather but the meeting up was restricted. Alcohol has been a catalyst for poor behaviour and the outdoors was the victim!Paddington Bear wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:11 amPeople who litter public spaces are a disgrace, I think we all agree on that. This conversation though started because given all social spaces are closed and almost everyone in that park will not own a garden of any size it was the only space available to them to have a beer with a few mates on the first nice day of the year, which incidentally timed with it being legal to do so.shaggy wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:27 am
Maybe, but we have returned to large amounts of litter most of which seem to be beer bottles and the common theme is not ‘outdoors’ it is alcohol. Not being critical, just stating facts, I’m sure I would be driven by the same desires at that age but without the littering.
But having a few beers in the sun with your mates is one of life's great pleasures and, as I've posted before on this, there have been very few things to be cheerful about so far this year.
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Saint wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:24 pm How on earth the 20-somethings in the cities who are flat sharing with 1-2 others have got through this is beyond me.

Yeah, must suck to not be able to fight with strangers for almost a whole year.Saint wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:24 pm I'm not going to begrudge them taking the first opportunity they have to get a few cans out in the park with some mates.
Amplifying effect of the contraceptive pill, which is known to cause blood clots?Raggs wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:45 am Theory going on the bloodclots is that Germany gave AZ to a large number of younger women, since it was their health/social care vaccine, whereas the UK mostly used the Pfizer for these groups, and AZ for older age groups. Suspect it may be young women that are more susceptible.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
No idea, interesting idea though.Biffer wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:17 amAmplifying effect of the contraceptive pill, which is known to cause blood clots?Raggs wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:45 am Theory going on the bloodclots is that Germany gave AZ to a large number of younger women, since it was their health/social care vaccine, whereas the UK mostly used the Pfizer for these groups, and AZ for older age groups. Suspect it may be young women that are more susceptible.
Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Me neither, it's just the first thing that springs to mind with young women and blood clots.Raggs wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:18 amNo idea, interesting idea though.Biffer wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:17 amAmplifying effect of the contraceptive pill, which is known to cause blood clots?Raggs wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:45 am Theory going on the bloodclots is that Germany gave AZ to a large number of younger women, since it was their health/social care vaccine, whereas the UK mostly used the Pfizer for these groups, and AZ for older age groups. Suspect it may be young women that are more susceptible.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
Lost in the noise a bit...NZ held on to a 'herd immunity' solution longer than the UK and other European nations:
Fortunately the virus had not established itself in the population well enough by then and they managed to eliminate it. Timing really was/is everything.
Fortunately the virus had not established itself in the population well enough by then and they managed to eliminate it. Timing really was/is everything.
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Any news on the "win, win" talks? The press reports appeared positve before the weekend but the longer they go on the more likely they will end up as "lose, lose"
Nothing since Monday confirming they were ongoing and weren't concerning any single vaccineLisbon Nick wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:35 am Any news on the "win, win" talks? The press reports appeared positve before the weekend but the longer they go on the more likely they will end up as "lose, lose"
The issue with kids is that their immune systems can actually function quite differently to adults. So while it was hoped for, and maybe even likely, it had to be carefully and specifically tested for - especially to see if the side effects were differentMarylandolorian wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:27 am Great news, Pfizer says its COVID-19 vaccine is 100% effective in children ages 12-15, I guess it was expected as the effectiveness varies with the age, should be the same with Moderna.
There's talk in Harrogate of using the stray as an outdoor seating area for pubs and restaurants. There's a ton of by laws about the land though and it got quite damaged during the Cycling World champs and we have snow forecast in about 6 days. But over summer it could work amazingly.shaggy wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:24 amIt’s not the open spaces that the younger section of society is missing, they seem to hardly use it during the winter months, it’s the pubs and bars.BnM wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:25 pm London has loads of parks at least. In Pimlico I had private gardens and Battersea nearby and East Finchley Highgate woods. But today I went to Nidd Gorge, walk along the river, through the woods, was able to let the dog run around a big field and look over the viaduct. Definitely better than the same park month after month.
Had the AZ jab today at a village hall in rural Sussex - I am only 38 but my mother lives on our annex and is clinically vulnerable so was asked to get it.
No side affects so far - at risk of groan-gloating I did a big weight session on Monday and my arms are still wrecked so hard to tell.
No side affects so far - at risk of groan-gloating I did a big weight session on Monday and my arms are still wrecked so hard to tell.
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From the experience of myself and friends, if you are going to get side effects they kick in after around 12 hours.tc27 wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:18 pm Had the AZ jab today at a village hall in rural Sussex - I am only 38 but my mother lives on our annex and is clinically vulnerable so was asked to get it.
No side affects so far - at risk of groan-gloating I did a big weight session on Monday and my arms are still wrecked so hard to tell.
My dad had his 2nd Pfizer a few days ago and felt rough for a couple of days - same as the 1st jab. He's 90.
Mrs Saint was feeling side effects of Pfizer dose 2 for about 4 days. Day 3 was pretty rough for herDinsdale Piranha wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:28 pmFrom the experience of myself and friends, if you are going to get side effects they kick in after around 12 hours.tc27 wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:18 pm Had the AZ jab today at a village hall in rural Sussex - I am only 38 but my mother lives on our annex and is clinically vulnerable so was asked to get it.
No side affects so far - at risk of groan-gloating I did a big weight session on Monday and my arms are still wrecked so hard to tell.
My dad had his 2nd Pfizer a few days ago and felt rough for a couple of days - same as the 1st jab. He's 90.
I didn't get a sticker either
I was looking at stats yesterday, even using Germany's clot figures the risk of clots is over 6 times less than the current modern birth control pill. Where was the forking concern for women there by countries health boards

I was looking at stats yesterday, even using Germany's clot figures the risk of clots is over 6 times less than the current modern birth control pill. Where was the forking concern for women there by countries health boards

This is the problem with all of this. Because they have a public trust problem with AZ, they're being ultra cautious with approvals - which leads to temporary halts and resumptions for the use of the vaccine, and now with different age groups, all for side effects that even if they exist are much lower than those tolerated for many regularly prescribed drugs.BnM wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:30 pm I didn't get a sticker either![]()
I was looking at stats yesterday, even using Germany's clot figures the risk of clots is over 6 times less than the current modern birth control pill. Where was the forking concern for women there by countries health boards![]()
The intention is supposed to be to re-assure the public that safety is being taken seriously and that the vaccine is safe - and I'm sure, that in focus groups, members of the public solemnly state that these processes would make them feel much safer about drugs and vaccines in general.
However the reality is that people don't behave like that, and the media exponentially increase the fear factor and don't correctly report the positive factor. As a result, all that the stop/start does is further erode the public's confidence in the safety of the vaccine - on the basis that "they wouldn't have stopped if it was safe" instead of "they wouldn't have restarted unless it was safe". Which in turn leads to further, even more extreme caution from the regulator, which magnifies the problem further. Once you start down this road it's virtually impossible to reverse course, which is why some of the initial; statements about the efficacy of AZ by various national leaders were so problematic, and even the ongoing blame game between EU and AZ can further erode confidence.
I had mine about 5 weeks ago. In Scotland we are not even getting a little card with the Had 1st jag tick-box.Oxbow wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:51 am Just back from having my vaccine. I'd heard tell I would be rewarded with a sticker, but I didn't get one. Most disappointed.
I suffered no effects but was told not to drive for 15 mins. So I wandered to the local bakers, got a couple of pies, scoffed them and then walked to the car. Perhaps it is true that pies are the nectar of the Gods.
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The sticker's stickiness isn't all that, you would only be disappointOxbow wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:51 am Just back from having my vaccine. I'd heard tell I would be rewarded with a sticker, but I didn't get one. Most disappointed.
Felt sick looking at the figures, I can't see france with that infection rate avoiding lockdown, though Spain is looking decent. It is at the moment from here looking like fiddling whilst Rome burns scenario. That said with our media who knows. The Novavax situation though is potentially very telling.tc27 wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:18 pm Situation in mainland Europe now looking pretty grim - the Kent variant now widespread and vaccines not yet widespread enough to make a difference.
France going back into a full lockdown with 7pm curfew.
We are on Partial lock down country wide (from today) most shops are now closed.BnM wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:10 pmFelt sick looking at the figures, I can't see france with that infection rate avoiding lockdown, though Spain is looking decent. It is at the moment from here looking like fiddling whilst Rome burns scenario. That said with our media who knows. The Novavax situation though is potentially very telling.tc27 wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:18 pm Situation in mainland Europe now looking pretty grim - the Kent variant now widespread and vaccines not yet widespread enough to make a difference.
France going back into a full lockdown with 7pm curfew.
Schools are being closed (they were opened). Over 8M vaccinated with approx 15% of adult population on 1 dose and 2.8M on 2 doses. (2.8 M are counted in 8M)
Vacc numbers are getting good with deliveries improving
(if AZ was anywhere near their contracts it would be a lot better)

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Dad (75) got his first Pfizer jab yesterday. Didn't get a wink of sleep last night as his left arm was pretty sore and that's the side he usually sleeps on.
Are people happy with the AZ jab or are there concerns?laurent wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:15 pmWe are on Partial lock down country wide (from today) most shops are now closed.BnM wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:10 pmFelt sick looking at the figures, I can't see france with that infection rate avoiding lockdown, though Spain is looking decent. It is at the moment from here looking like fiddling whilst Rome burns scenario. That said with our media who knows. The Novavax situation though is potentially very telling.tc27 wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:18 pm Situation in mainland Europe now looking pretty grim - the Kent variant now widespread and vaccines not yet widespread enough to make a difference.
France going back into a full lockdown with 7pm curfew.
Schools are being closed (they were opened). Over 8M vaccinated with approx 15% of adult population on 1 dose and 2.8M on 2 doses. (2.8 M are counted in 8M)
Vacc numbers are getting good with deliveries improving
(if AZ was anywhere near their contracts it would be a lot better)![]()
There are concerns but the main one is the lack of it.BnM wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:02 pmAre people happy with the AZ jab or are there concerns?laurent wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:15 pmWe are on Partial lock down country wide (from today) most shops are now closed.BnM wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:10 pm
Felt sick looking at the figures, I can't see france with that infection rate avoiding lockdown, though Spain is looking decent. It is at the moment from here looking like fiddling whilst Rome burns scenario. That said with our media who knows. The Novavax situation though is potentially very telling.
Schools are being closed (they were opened). Over 8M vaccinated with approx 15% of adult population on 1 dose and 2.8M on 2 doses. (2.8 M are counted in 8M)
Vacc numbers are getting good with deliveries improving
(if AZ was anywhere near their contracts it would be a lot better)![]()
Unless you're New Zealand or Australia it's the only way.tc27 wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:18 pm Looking at the EU vaccine projections April and May should be pretty good on terms of supply so that's the way out hopefully.
I'll be eligible for a jab in May, I have been working from home for a year now.
Join the club. Here in the UK, my eligibility really comes down to Moderna arriving or Novavax being approved (I'm 42 with no other eligibility). I;m not really expecting to get back to the office on a limited basis till June/July at earliest (not helped by the fact that the office I'm based out of is currently a mass Vax centre)laurent wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:35 pmUnless you're New Zealand or Australia it's the only way.tc27 wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:18 pm Looking at the EU vaccine projections April and May should be pretty good on terms of supply so that's the way out hopefully.
I'll be eligible for a jab in May, I have been working from home for a year now.
Don't forget, 12 weeks between jabs. It's going to be Oct at earliest. My Dad's first jab was 6th Feb so will be interesting to see when he's called for his second. My text from my Doc's telling people to stop calling them said 10-11 weeks but that's before India went a bit pear shaped. We both had AZ.
Office/work reopening will have less to do with vax numbers and more to do with hospitalisation numbers. As long as hospitalisation cases stay low, we will continue to reopen, regardless of the overall vax positionBnM wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:38 am Don't forget, 12 weeks between jabs. It's going to be Oct at earliest. My Dad's first jab was 6th Feb so will be interesting to see when he's called for his second. My text from my Doc's telling people to stop calling them said 10-11 weeks but that's before India went a bit pear shaped. We both had AZ.
Yes our Paris office has stayed closed only 3 or 4 employees that live nearby are going.
They are needed to restart computers and that is it.
I am pushing my partner together her shot however the AZ is not recommended for her due to her health issues.
Hoping the government push for work from home will register a lot of large companies just paay lip service to it.
They are needed to restart computers and that is it.
I am pushing my partner together her shot however the AZ is not recommended for her due to her health issues.
Hoping the government push for work from home will register a lot of large companies just paay lip service to it.
My mum just got notice of her 2nd job yesterday for next week, 3 weeks ahead of what she was told to expectBnM wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:38 am Don't forget, 12 weeks between jabs. It's going to be Oct at earliest. My Dad's first jab was 6th Feb so will be interesting to see when he's called for his second. My text from my Doc's telling people to stop calling them said 10-11 weeks but that's before India went a bit pear shaped. We both had AZ.
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