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TheNatalShark wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:03 pm Some good news, Germany sees the results of finally allowing GPs to administer doses and effectively doubles the previous highest rate of daily jabs. Hopefully they can work through the backlog before delivery rates increase

Looks like supply bottlenecks are easing up now.

Over 500k doses in the UK today.
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tc27 wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:34 pm
TheNatalShark wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:03 pm Some good news, Germany sees the results of finally allowing GPs to administer doses and effectively doubles the previous highest rate of daily jabs. Hopefully they can work through the backlog before delivery rates increase

Looks like supply bottlenecks are easing up now.

Over 500k doses in the UK today.

Any Links?
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tc27 wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:34 pm
Looks like supply bottlenecks are easing up now.

Over 500k doses in the UK today.
In terms of supply to Germany, not really for this increase in rate. This is representative of the federal government squabbling less over lack of supply from EU procurement and tackling its own glacial move to reduce bureaucracy in obtaining eligibility and opening up wider distribution channels to deal with the glut already received and high % kept in reserve for second doses. Germany over taken by France in significant numbers in the last month + slips in CDU election results must be getting things moving at the top.

Theoretically they can have similar (trending downwards) numbers during weekdays till next Friday, at which point back to supply bottle neck, according to utilisation and delivery forecasts.
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The Druid wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:52 pm
tc27 wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:34 pm
TheNatalShark wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:03 pm Some good news, Germany sees the results of finally allowing GPs to administer doses and effectively doubles the previous highest rate of daily jabs. Hopefully they can work through the backlog before delivery rates increase

Looks like supply bottlenecks are easing up now.

Over 500k doses in the UK today.

Any Links?
Covid dashboard showing 507K doses yesterday, 408K of which were second doses. Good numbers, but only 800K doses were delivered across the 4 day Easter break, so some catching up to do
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Lobby wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:23 pm Although Slovakia ordered 200,000 doses of the Sputnik vaccine last month, it has not yet used any.

Reuters are reporting that the Slovak National drug agency SUKL has said it can't determine that the vaccine is safe because of "missing data, inconsistency of dosage forms, and (the) impossibility of mutually comparing batches used in various studies and countries,”

It is also being reported in Slovak media that the Slovak batch of Sputnik V is not identical to one used in a trial whose results were published in the Lancet magazine in February, and which Slovak experts had used as an argument for using the vaccine.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN2BU1X7

If the Sputnik vaccines being delivered are different to those used in trials, it must raise concerns about its efficacy.
A little update.

“Russia has demanded Slovakia return a batch of Sputnik V vaccines which Slovakia had quality concerns over. Russia says Slovakia breached contract by testing the vaccines in an unaccredited laboratory and accused the country of launching a disinfo campaign against the jab.”
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Lobby wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:57 pm
Lobby wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:23 pm Although Slovakia ordered 200,000 doses of the Sputnik vaccine last month, it has not yet used any.

Reuters are reporting that the Slovak National drug agency SUKL has said it can't determine that the vaccine is safe because of "missing data, inconsistency of dosage forms, and (the) impossibility of mutually comparing batches used in various studies and countries,”

It is also being reported in Slovak media that the Slovak batch of Sputnik V is not identical to one used in a trial whose results were published in the Lancet magazine in February, and which Slovak experts had used as an argument for using the vaccine.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN2BU1X7

If the Sputnik vaccines being delivered are different to those used in trials, it must raise concerns about its efficacy.
A little update.

“Russia has demanded Slovakia return a batch of Sputnik V vaccines which Slovakia had quality concerns over. Russia says Slovakia breached contract by testing the vaccines in an unaccredited laboratory and accused the country of launching a disinfo campaign against the jab.”
Who to believe..........
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If you are soft enough to experience serious organ failure from something as mild as the AZ vaccine, god help you if you actually get Covid19!!!!
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Saint wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:31 pm
The Druid wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:52 pm
tc27 wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:34 pm

Looks like supply bottlenecks are easing up now.

Over 500k doses in the UK today.

Any Links?
Covid dashboard showing 507K doses yesterday, 408K of which were second doses. Good numbers, but only 800K doses were delivered across the 4 day Easter break, so some catching up to do
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The Halix plant in Holland.

All those reports last week of it being seed funded by the UK. £20 something million was the figure.



“In the discussion I had at the beginning with the CEO of AstraZeneca, I understood, he told me, that the ramp up of Halix has been financed by the British government,” Breton said. “And it happens that when I went to visit the site and I asked how much they’re received from the British government, the chairman and the CEO were there and they told me ‘zero’. So in fact, I asked three times a question and I got three times the same answer.”

That's Thierry Breton the EU's vaccine commissar.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... s-brussels


Odd!
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Glaston wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:22 am The Halix plant in Holland.

All those reports last week of it being seed funded by the UK. £20 something million was the figure.



“In the discussion I had at the beginning with the CEO of AstraZeneca, I understood, he told me, that the ramp up of Halix has been financed by the British government,” Breton said. “And it happens that when I went to visit the site and I asked how much they’re received from the British government, the chairman and the CEO were there and they told me ‘zero’. So in fact, I asked three times a question and I got three times the same answer.”

That's Thierry Breton the EU's vaccine commissar.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... s-brussels


Odd!
Would the plant have got the funds from the government? Surely they'd have got the funds from AZ?
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Raggs wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:22 am
Glaston wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:22 am The Halix plant in Holland.

All those reports last week of it being seed funded by the UK. £20 something million was the figure.



“In the discussion I had at the beginning with the CEO of AstraZeneca, I understood, he told me, that the ramp up of Halix has been financed by the British government,” Breton said. “And it happens that when I went to visit the site and I asked how much they’re received from the British government, the chairman and the CEO were there and they told me ‘zero’. So in fact, I asked three times a question and I got three times the same answer.”

That's Thierry Breton the EU's vaccine commissar.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... s-brussels


Odd!
Would the plant have got the funds from the government? Surely they'd have got the funds from AZ?
At the time I think it would have been via the Jenner Institute. Thierry Breton has been pretty disingenuous in his public statements since his appointment as EU vaccine Tsar
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Saint wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:21 am
Raggs wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:22 am
Glaston wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:22 am The Halix plant in Holland.

All those reports last week of it being seed funded by the UK. £20 something million was the figure.



“In the discussion I had at the beginning with the CEO of AstraZeneca, I understood, he told me, that the ramp up of Halix has been financed by the British government,” Breton said. “And it happens that when I went to visit the site and I asked how much they’re received from the British government, the chairman and the CEO were there and they told me ‘zero’. So in fact, I asked three times a question and I got three times the same answer.”

That's Thierry Breton the EU's vaccine commissar.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... s-brussels


Odd!
Would the plant have got the funds from the government? Surely they'd have got the funds from AZ?
At the time I think it would have been via the Jenner Institute. Thierry Breton has been pretty disingenuous in his public statements since his appointment as EU vaccine Tsar
The same article states:

"Oxford University, which was given more than £65.5m in additional UK government funding last year to work on its vaccine, has been in a commercial relationship with the Halix plant since April 2020"

So any funding would have been from Oxford (as you say, the Jenner Institute), and not directly from the UK Government, even if that was the ultimate source of the funding.
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Lobby wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:30 am
Saint wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:21 am
Raggs wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:22 am

Would the plant have got the funds from the government? Surely they'd have got the funds from AZ?
At the time I think it would have been via the Jenner Institute. Thierry Breton has been pretty disingenuous in his public statements since his appointment as EU vaccine Tsar
The same article states:

"Oxford University, which was given more than £65.5m in additional UK government funding last year to work on its vaccine, has been in a commercial relationship with the Halix plant since April 2020"

So any funding would have been from Oxford (as you say, the Jenner Institute), and not directly from the UK Government, even if that was the ultimate source of the funding.
Yes. I think Breton is probably fully aware of what's happened and is choosing his words very carefully
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And the Halix people would be very silly to straight-up admit it on the day the new EU guy comes calling.
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Good write up of the AZ clot thing:
https://unherd.com/thepost/on-the-astra ... bd718fbf57
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Mahoney wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:22 am Good write up of the AZ clot thing:
https://unherd.com/thepost/on-the-astra ... bd718fbf57
Even he's not got it right, he's saying they should only be offered AZ if there's nothing else available, but by my reading, it's that they should be offered an alternative to AZ if available. It's a small difference, but it's not that you give them anything but AZ if possible, it's that they can pick something different if they want.

Additionally, EMA (not sure about MHRA) stated that there's no evidence to back the fact that it's more commonly found in any particular age/sex. Furthermore, I don't believe they're even convinced about it yet, but have agreed to add it as a possible rare side effect (which is probably important in legal terms).
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https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... s-brussels

What an incredible odd news article.
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shaggy wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:51 pm https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... s-brussels

What an incredible odd news article.
I can only imagine that there's a dodgy translation somewhere in all of that; but even then it's an odd piece to write - anyway the obvious riposte is that the EU might be thanking the UK for getting the Halix plant up to speed (ignoring the whole thing about capital investment, the current production rate is down to us sending a team over there to get it sorted).

Anyway, the UK delivered another 545K doses yesterday, of which 449K were second doses
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shaggy wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:51 pm https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... s-brussels

What an incredible odd news article.
Holy shit he comes across as a right cunt!
Saint wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:57 pm
shaggy wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:51 pm https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... s-brussels

What an incredible odd news article.
I can only imagine that there's a dodgy translation somewhere in all of that; but even then it's an odd piece to write - anyway the obvious riposte is that the EU might be thanking the UK for getting the Halix plant up to speed (ignoring the whole thing about capital investment, the current production rate is down to us sending a team over there to get it sorted).

Anyway, the UK delivered another 545K doses yesterday, of which 449K were second doses
There's only so much I can attribute to translation issues!

EDIT - And surely 1 dose to every adult that wants it, and the ensuing numbers of second doses, by end of July, is still better than 70% of adults double dosed? (Struggling to believe we can get to 18+ without also hitting the 70%).
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Saint wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:57 pm
shaggy wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:51 pm https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... s-brussels

What an incredible odd news article.
I can only imagine that there's a dodgy translation somewhere in all of that; but even then it's an odd piece to write - anyway the obvious riposte is that the EU might be thanking the UK for getting the Halix plant up to speed (ignoring the whole thing about capital investment, the current production rate is down to us sending a team over there to get it sorted).

Anyway, the UK delivered another 545K doses yesterday, of which 449K were second doses
The pace of second doses seems to indicate many people getting their second dose earlier than 12 weeks - possibly indicates a real effort to get the high risk cohorts double dosed at the expense of the under 50s.

Vaccinations really taking of in the rest of Europe too: France 500k, Germany 700k, Spain 450k.
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France passed 10M mark yesterday with 3.5M fully vaccinated (yesterday) ... (My mother in the second group today)


https://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/ar ... =dashboard

looks like things are looking up I hope I can get my shots on schedule in may/ june and bugger off on holiday to spend the small fortune I accumulated in restaurant vouchers ...
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shaggy wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:51 pm https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... s-brussels

What an incredible odd news article.
Fuck
He said the UK had chosen a company to produce the Oxford vaccine that “had the advantage of being based in Britain, but no real experience in vaccine production … And we’re seeing today what that means.” Well why did you buy AZ then :bimbo:

The EU would “not let Britain down”, he said. “My sole objective is to make sure Europe produces the vaccines, for us and our friends, because this is a pandemic. But I think people will understand that we will put ourselves first, then our friends – albeit with a very short space of time between the two.”
:wtf You were screaming bloody murder when you accused the UK of putting itself first.
Breton said the European commission and AstraZeneca had signed a “best efforts” contract relying on five factories, including two in the UK, “a few days” before Britain had signed its deal, which he said he had not seen.

“I’m told the British health minister has said the UK has an ‘exclusivity contract’,” he said. “But I cannot imagine the company took the legal risk of signing an ‘exclusivity’ contract just after signing a ‘best efforts’ contract. That seems to me very dangerous legally. I cannot think it is the reality.”
Exclusivity is the wrong word and you're right, only an idiot would prioritise a later contract like that which means you weren't first we had binding agreements before you. As before you were again screaming bloody murder that the UK having priority despite only getting 30m out of 120m ordered was unethical, now you think/claim you have priority it's actually ethical.
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On the other hand at this rate they'll be begging us to take AZ off their hands.

Fresh blow for AstraZeneca as vaccine is linked to another dangerous blood condition in Europe - while regulators review four cases of brain clots linked to Johnson and Johnson's single-dose jab that UK has bought 30million doses of

Five cases of capillary leak syndrome reported after AZ vaccine on continent
Condition sees blood leak from tiny vessels into muscles and body cavities
J&J vaccine also linked to four cases of brain clots, one of which was fatal
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I haven’t noticed any comments about the Moderna vaccine. Is it only being administered in the US?
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Fangle wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:44 pm I haven’t noticed any comments about the Moderna vaccine. Is it only being administered in the US?
Just started in the UK, we don't have that much of it though.
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Fangle wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:44 pm I haven’t noticed any comments about the Moderna vaccine. Is it only being administered in the US?
It's second authorised in Europe but not as many doses ordered as Pfizer or AZ, however no production issues or side effects (however insignificant).
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Fangle wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:44 pm I haven’t noticed any comments about the Moderna vaccine. Is it only being administered in the US?
Moderna has serious scale issues. The enormous bulk of manufacturing capacity is in the US, from where it can;t be exported. The EU and UK both have access to much smaller production from Switzerland; it accounts for around 10%-ish of EU delivery, and we just got first access to it in the UK this last week (it wasn;t on our pre-purchase list, not least because it was recognised they didn't have scale). They're investing heavily, but Moderna estimate it takes 9-12 months to bring a new facility online for production, so they're talking about 1.4 billion doses produced in 2022. Total 2021 production will be a fairly small fraction of that
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Saint wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:01 pm
Fangle wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:44 pm I haven’t noticed any comments about the Moderna vaccine. Is it only being administered in the US?
Moderna has serious scale issues. The enormous bulk of manufacturing capacity is in the US, from where it can;t be exported. The EU and UK both have access to much smaller production from Switzerland; it accounts for around 10%-ish of EU delivery, and we just got first access to it in the UK this last week (it wasn;t on our pre-purchase list, not least because it was recognised they didn't have scale). They're investing heavily, but Moderna estimate it takes 9-12 months to bring a new facility online for production, so they're talking about 1.4 billion doses produced in 2022. Total 2021 production will be a fairly small fraction of that
Found the Info on orders.
https://covidtracker.fr/vaccintracker/

There is not much moderna ordered by EU compared with Pfizer / AZ
Johnson is approved but has not started delivering yet as it looks like
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BnM wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:16 pm
shaggy wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:51 pm https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... s-brussels

What an incredible odd news article.
Fuck
He said the UK had chosen a company to produce the Oxford vaccine that “had the advantage of being based in Britain, but no real experience in vaccine production … And we’re seeing today what that means.” Well why did you buy AZ then :bimbo:

The EU would “not let Britain down”, he said. “My sole objective is to make sure Europe produces the vaccines, for us and our friends, because this is a pandemic. But I think people will understand that we will put ourselves first, then our friends – albeit with a very short space of time between the two.”
:wtf You were screaming bloody murder when you accused the UK of putting itself first.
Breton said the European commission and AstraZeneca had signed a “best efforts” contract relying on five factories, including two in the UK, “a few days” before Britain had signed its deal, which he said he had not seen.

“I’m told the British health minister has said the UK has an ‘exclusivity contract’,” he said. “But I cannot imagine the company took the legal risk of signing an ‘exclusivity’ contract just after signing a ‘best efforts’ contract. That seems to me very dangerous legally. I cannot think it is the reality.”
Exclusivity is the wrong word and you're right, only an idiot would prioritise a later contract like that which means you weren't first we had binding agreements before you. As before you were again screaming bloody murder that the UK having priority despite only getting 30m out of 120m ordered was unethical, now you think/claim you have priority it's actually ethical.
It's an embarrassingly cringeworty article.
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laurent wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:13 pm
Saint wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:01 pm
Fangle wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:44 pm I haven’t noticed any comments about the Moderna vaccine. Is it only being administered in the US?
Moderna has serious scale issues. The enormous bulk of manufacturing capacity is in the US, from where it can;t be exported. The EU and UK both have access to much smaller production from Switzerland; it accounts for around 10%-ish of EU delivery, and we just got first access to it in the UK this last week (it wasn;t on our pre-purchase list, not least because it was recognised they didn't have scale). They're investing heavily, but Moderna estimate it takes 9-12 months to bring a new facility online for production, so they're talking about 1.4 billion doses produced in 2022. Total 2021 production will be a fairly small fraction of that
Found the Info on orders.
https://covidtracker.fr/vaccintracker/

There is not much moderna ordered by EU compared with Pfizer / AZ
Johnson is approved but has not started delivering yet as it looks like
There is not much ordered because Moderna said they couldn't produce much in any timescale that worked for the EU. They're flat out at the moment, but it;'s just US and Swiss factories currently online. The difference between them is stark - nearly 80 million doses in the US, making up nearly 50% of their delivery so far. The EU could have ordered 10 times the amount and would still have the amount delivered today
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Saint wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:24 pm
laurent wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:13 pm
Saint wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:01 pm

Moderna has serious scale issues. The enormous bulk of manufacturing capacity is in the US, from where it can;t be exported. The EU and UK both have access to much smaller production from Switzerland; it accounts for around 10%-ish of EU delivery, and we just got first access to it in the UK this last week (it wasn;t on our pre-purchase list, not least because it was recognised they didn't have scale). They're investing heavily, but Moderna estimate it takes 9-12 months to bring a new facility online for production, so they're talking about 1.4 billion doses produced in 2022. Total 2021 production will be a fairly small fraction of that
Found the Info on orders.
https://covidtracker.fr/vaccintracker/

There is not much moderna ordered by EU compared with Pfizer / AZ
Johnson is approved but has not started delivering yet as it looks like
There is not much ordered because Moderna said they couldn't produce much in any timescale that worked for the EU. They're flat out at the moment, but it;'s just US and Swiss factories currently online. The difference between them is stark - nearly 80 million doses in the US, making up nearly 50% of their delivery so far. The EU could have ordered 10 times the amount and would still have the amount delivered today
2 other things. Moderna is expensive! And the contracts Trump signed with vaccine companies prohibits sharing surplus doses with the rest of the world, they can only be used within US territories (I believe in some places, emergency doses have been sent to the embassies and are being given there, as a work around).
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Ovals wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:16 pm
BnM wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:16 pm
shaggy wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:51 pm https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... s-brussels

What an incredible odd news article.
Fuck
He said the UK had chosen a company to produce the Oxford vaccine that “had the advantage of being based in Britain, but no real experience in vaccine production … And we’re seeing today what that means.” Well why did you buy AZ then :bimbo:

The EU would “not let Britain down”, he said. “My sole objective is to make sure Europe produces the vaccines, for us and our friends, because this is a pandemic. But I think people will understand that we will put ourselves first, then our friends – albeit with a very short space of time between the two.”
:wtf You were screaming bloody murder when you accused the UK of putting itself first.
Breton said the European commission and AstraZeneca had signed a “best efforts” contract relying on five factories, including two in the UK, “a few days” before Britain had signed its deal, which he said he had not seen.

“I’m told the British health minister has said the UK has an ‘exclusivity contract’,” he said. “But I cannot imagine the company took the legal risk of signing an ‘exclusivity’ contract just after signing a ‘best efforts’ contract. That seems to me very dangerous legally. I cannot think it is the reality.”
Exclusivity is the wrong word and you're right, only an idiot would prioritise a later contract like that which means you weren't first we had binding agreements before you. As before you were again screaming bloody murder that the UK having priority despite only getting 30m out of 120m ordered was unethical, now you think/claim you have priority it's actually ethical.
It's an embarrassingly cringeworty article.
Just read this myself. Unbelievable.

The fvck is wrong with the EU.

Sound like they’re bragging about creating laws to prevent vaccine exports.

And saying the UK must be nice and congratulate them or no second dose for UK.

WTAF?
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Marylandolorian wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:00 pm
Raggs wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:39 pm

2 other things. Moderna is expensive! And the contracts Trump signed with vaccine companies prohibits sharing surplus doses with the rest of the world, they can only be used within US territories (I believe in some places, emergency doses have been sent to the embassies and are being given there, as a work around).
:bimbo: WTF you are talking about “ mister I know everything “
Moderna received an investment of $500million from the Trump administration and a contract for 300 million doses for the USA.
They said on Tuesday that the deliveries for Europe and uk are on track.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN2BU15I
OK...............

Let's not beat around the bush here. Moderna is around 25% more expensive than Pfizer (I don't think anyone has visibility of the exact amount the EU is paying for either, happy to be corrected). So it's pricey, but not abhorrently so - except that price seems to have been a strong issue for the EU procurement process.

The issue around capacity remains exactly as I said. The enormous capability of Moderna to produce vaccine is in the US, which will stay in the US, Trump or Bidne regardless. Currently they have a relatively small capability in Switzerland. It's fair to say it's on course, but as much as anything that's to do with Moderna setting expectations that they couldn't deliver any more

By 2022 Moderna will be in position to produce an absolute shitload of vaccine; in 2021, not so much, and nowhere near what you will see from Pfizer or AZ. The theory/hope is that by the time Moderna is producing in real volume the EU will alreay be sorted, and they just become part of the global mass vax effort

None of this is intended to be critical or praiseworthy - it's just an evaluation of what can be produced right now
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Glaston wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:22 am The Halix plant in Holland.

All those reports last week of it being seed funded by the UK. £20 something million was the figure.

“In the discussion I had at the beginning with the CEO of AstraZeneca, I understood, he told me, that the ramp up of Halix has been financed by the British government,” Breton said. “And it happens that when I went to visit the site and I asked how much they’re received from the British government, the chairman and the CEO were there and they told me ‘zero’. So in fact, I asked three times a question and I got three times the same answer.”

That's Thierry Breton the EU's vaccine commissar.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... s-brussels

Odd!
What I haven't seen yet is realistic speculation on why it took so long for the plant's EMA authorisation application to get submitted in March, as Saint mentioned earlier in the thread MHRA signed-off last year.

Given the EU commissions' willingness to openly critique AZ, I would speculate the lack of it criticism here has something to do EU side re delayed funding to enable the plant to adjust for EMA approval (given EMA sign-off was done same month). Though I can't imagine these are terribly different from what the MHRA would have. All very odd.

Only speculation I have seen were muppet cries that the plant delayed so it could supplement UK production, which doesn't pass the sniff test and would have been called out.


As for Breton's unsubtle comments hinting they are being kind not to blackmail UK in completing dosing regimes or the 70% completion is better than our current strategy :crazy:

Not that all member states+NO+IS will achieve 70% anyway, here is a Bloomberg chart reportedly on an EU memo re full dosing regimes delivered (not administered) by June end. Realistically only the Nordics + small states could do so given they traded with member states for more Pfizer jabs over AZ, but so long as Norway/Denmark have blanket suspensions or age recommendations on the latter they won't make it either. Should shut the rhetoric and focus on touting increased production over export bans, success in getting J&J to bottle in Europe rather than US and getting the Balkan states to use what they are being given.

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Saint wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:22 pm
Let's not beat around the bush here. Moderna is around 25% more expensive than Pfizer (I don't think anyone has visibility of the exact amount the EU is paying for either, happy to be corrected). So it's pricey, but not abhorrently so - except that price seems to have been a strong issue for the EU procurement process.
A deliberate leak back in Dec20, which seemed to be corroborated by subsequent comments & leaks (particularly from the Hungarian government when they defended not buying more Moderna/Pfizer), put the prices per dose of the below. Can't see anything to suggest if the exercised additional options had different prices, and these supposedly are just the direct costs and don't include down payments provided for production set-up.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... price-list

Oxford/AstraZeneca: €1.78
Johnson & Johnson: $8.50
Sanofi/GSK: €7.56
Pfizer/BioNTech: €12
CureVac: €10
Moderna: $18

Based on Mar21 contracts published by the Hungarian government, they paid cEUR17 per full Sputnik dosing regime and were quoted EUR63 for full Sinopharm (which, after much bluster, they didn't order as much as initially quoted due to delivery times)

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/11/worl ... ook%20page.
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Marylandolorian wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:00 pm
Raggs wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:39 pm

2 other things. Moderna is expensive! And the contracts Trump signed with vaccine companies prohibits sharing surplus doses with the rest of the world, they can only be used within US territories (I believe in some places, emergency doses have been sent to the embassies and are being given there, as a work around).
:bimbo: WTF you are talking about “ mister I know everything “
Moderna received an investment of $500million from the Trump administration and a contract for 300 million doses for the USA.
They said on Tuesday that the deliveries for Europe and uk are on track.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN2BU15I
Sorry, I should have been more clear, I meant US surplus doses, not every surplus dose that they produce.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/04 ... es-in-need

EDIT - I don't get why the guy attacks the UK in that article, several major EU countries just had fantastic weeks in dosing, really getting on track, and he tries to put the boot into the UK rather than celebrating that fact.
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Calculon wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:34 pm Why would the AZ increase the risk of blood clots to a greater extent than the other covid vaccines, especially the other adenovirus vector ones?
Late to comment but it's interesting - the other adenovirus vector vaccines probably have the same problems. Yesterday EMA started investigating J&J based on reports from the USA. Sputnik will also be similar.

There are studies from early 2010s showing how adenovirus vectors increase the risk of blood clotting events. I would be surprised if it's only Astrazeneca that has this.
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From my limited understanding it does not really make sense why AZ would be worse than the others
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Marylandolorian wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:17 pm
Raggs wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:30 am
Marylandolorian wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:00 pm
:bimbo: WTF you are talking about “ mister I know everything “
Moderna received an investment of $500million from the Trump administration and a contract for 300 million doses for the USA.
They said on Tuesday that the deliveries for Europe and uk are on track.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN2BU15I
Sorry, I should have been more clear, I meant US surplus doses, not every surplus dose that they produce.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/04 ... es-in-need

EDIT - I don't get why the guy attacks the UK in that article, several major EU countries just had fantastic weeks in dosing, really getting on track, and he tries to put the boot into the UK rather than celebrating that fact.
First, my apologies to have said “ mister I know.....” , I mixed you with an other ugly face (jmk26..)

Very good Vanityfair’s article from this journalist investigator.
I didn’t see where the UK has been attacked.
I was more referring to why we perhaps won't see moderna reaching further afield in general with that point. It's a massively US centric vaccine, that they cannot choose to share with others should they wish to. I do wonder if the vaccine makers would insist on that clause? It may be that they gave the USA a good price on the premise that the US wouldn't sell it on/give it away to other prospective clients.

Nice to see numerous countries really moving in the right direction now with vaccines. Did see a worrying poll about republicans not being willing to take the vaccine though? No idea as to how reliable the poll was, and what definition of republican was used.
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