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sturginho wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 4:11 pm
Niegs wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 3:21 pm
sturginho wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 9:19 am Di Giandomenico leaves the Italy job after 12 years in charge. In those 12 years he took the Azzurre to consecutive world cups, an historic first QF, an historic runners-up in the 6N and leaves with the team 5th in the world rankings.

Thanks for everything :clap:

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Where do I hand in my CV? Would love to coach a team with their mindset.

... missed my chance in summer as our union was looking for someone to be their liaison the week they were here. A mate ended up doing it and said they were very professional, which was more than can be said for the T2 men's programs he'd worked with before (lack of organization, being needy that is)
I'm afraid you've missed your chance Niegs:

https://www.onrugby.it/2022/12/06/giova ... i-rugby-2/
Any club jobs? :grin:
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Here I thought the league was swinging toward pro clubs yet Sale getting the boot too? Northern women frozen out.

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Niegs wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 3:30 pm Here I thought the league was swinging toward pro clubs yet Sale getting the boot too? Northern women frozen out.

Only 8 teams confirmed so room for 2 more. hopefully from the North eventually
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French head coach has resigned (less than a year after his nomination).

From the comments of some senior players after the world cup he was not liked much...
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laurent wrote: Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:47 pm French head coach has resigned (less than a year after his nomination).

From the comments of some senior players after the world cup he was not liked much...
And wasn't the woman in charge before, kept on / brought back as an assistant with them in the RWC? Did I hear a rumour that was a Laporte decision?
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Niegs wrote: Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:37 pm
laurent wrote: Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:47 pm French head coach has resigned (less than a year after his nomination).

From the comments of some senior players after the world cup he was not liked much...
And wasn't the woman in charge before, kept on / brought back as an assistant with them in the RWC? Did I hear a rumour that was a Laporte decision?
Previous staff was sacked after the 6 nations the head stayed on but with no coaching role. She was "promoted" to manager or something...

She was a Laporte political ally so I guess he could not get rid of her as he did with the rest of the coaching staff.
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laurent wrote: Mon Dec 19, 2022 8:04 pm
Niegs wrote: Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:37 pm
laurent wrote: Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:47 pm French head coach has resigned (less than a year after his nomination).

From the comments of some senior players after the world cup he was not liked much...
And wasn't the woman in charge before, kept on / brought back as an assistant with them in the RWC? Did I hear a rumour that was a Laporte decision?
Previous staff was sacked after the 6 nations the head stayed on but with no coaching role. She was "promoted" to manager or something...

She was a Laporte political ally so I guess he could not get rid of her as he did with the rest of the coaching staff.
Ah, I thought it might have been the other way around. Demoted, but kept around because of contract or something. Dramas, eh?
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Shaunagh Brown returning from rugby at the end of the year, i am sure there is more to this story than meets the eye as she was still pretty young.
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ASMO wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:11 pm Shaunagh Brown returning from rugby at the end of the year, i am sure there is more to this story than meets the eye as she was still pretty young.
Only 32 years old
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ASMO wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:11 pm Shaunagh Brown returning from rugby at the end of the year, i am sure there is more to this story than meets the eye as she was still pretty young.
She mentioned on her BBC column in October that she is getting married soon and that she wants children. Given her comments at the time, it’s possible that she and her boyfriend are thinking of starting a family fairly soon:

”I got engaged recently and I have known for a while that I want children but that will be a huge decision for me.

It is a huge decision for anyone, but for me when I decide the time is right to have kids, I will also be deciding that my rugby career is over.

I am 32 now. You have to stop playing contact rugby as soon as you get pregnant so that would at least be nine months out of the game.

Then you add on however long it would take me to get back after and at that age trying to get back to the highest level of rugby does not feel like a realistic goal.”
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:lol:

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This all sounds pretty awful
A former boss at Welsh women's rugby said she considered suicide because of what she claimed was a "toxic culture" of sexism at the Welsh Rugby Union.
Charlotte Wathan also said a male colleague said in front of others in an office that he wanted to "rape" her.
Another female former WRU employee, a mum of one, said she wrote a manual for her husband in case she killed herself.
The WRU said that both cases were investigated and proper procedures were followed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-64333230
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SaintK wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:43 am This all sounds pretty awful
A former boss at Welsh women's rugby said she considered suicide because of what she claimed was a "toxic culture" of sexism at the Welsh Rugby Union.
Charlotte Wathan also said a male colleague said in front of others in an office that he wanted to "rape" her.
Another female former WRU employee, a mum of one, said she wrote a manual for her husband in case she killed herself.
The WRU said that both cases were investigated and proper procedures were followed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-64333230
Disgusting. But also not surprising given the boys club, "locker room" attitudes I've run into in rugby. People talk a big game about "values" and "respect" in rugby, yet when in any era does a rape 'joke' ever be acceptable? The anonymous person's situation, if I read into it correctly, seems to be going through what I've known other women to go through, constant challenges from men who don't respect their opinions. Orgs that put in place people to show they're championing diversity, but still not anywhere near to achieving equality through inaction/blocking. (A friend is a professor and has discovered this in her recent research project, looking at access to spaces - rinks and pools - whereby boys teams always get priority spots/times and often favourable discounts.)

At first, I thought asking Gatland about it seemed an odd thing to do, given he wouldn't be knowledgeable of it. But instead of condemning, saying he could use his power to help institute change, he "both sides" it? Yikes.
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And landing on the same day, a women's team in Liberton has been disbanded by the

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mos_eisely_ wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:16 pm And landing on the same day, a women's team in Liberton has been disbanded by the

FFS

That's my local club, opposite my little girl's primary school. I was hoping to take her there once she's worked up from Rugby Tots.

First I've heard of it, will need to have a dig into this.
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It's the end of an era as Barattin and Furlan officially hang up their boots

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One last 6N for Simon Middleton before he steps down!
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mos_eisely_ wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:16 pm And landing on the same day, a women's team in Liberton has been disbanded by the

I don't mind Rob Robertson usually, but he has been miles off with this. Don't know what the club and SRU are meant to do while it is going through the legal process
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Sarah Hunter can retire with her head held high. A phenomenal 16 year career.
Shame that she only gained one RWC winners medal out of the four she took part in.
Good luck to her!
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SaintK wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 10:30 am Sarah Hunter can retire with her head held high. A phenomenal 16 year career.
Shame that she only gained one RWC winners medal out of the four she took part in.
Good luck to her!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/65013600
She was very impressive in the latest RWC, including her gracious post-match interview.
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6 nations is suffering from the mens Hangover.

First 2 games were mismatch and France is really suffering from Meddling Cunts at the union.

Result the 2 coaches manged to destroy any flair and skills in the backs.

Not enjoy it so far
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SaintK wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 10:30 am Sarah Hunter can retire with her head held high. A phenomenal 16 year career.
Shame that she only gained one RWC winners medal out of the four she took part in.
Good luck to her!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/65013600
Why would a player retire part way through a tournament?
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Uncle fester wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:12 pm
SaintK wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 10:30 am Sarah Hunter can retire with her head held high. A phenomenal 16 year career.
Shame that she only gained one RWC winners medal out of the four she took part in.
Good luck to her!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/65013600
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Why would a player retire part way through a tournament?
Think it was so she could play her final game at her ‘home’ ground in front of family and friends and just a few miles from where she grew up.
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Fair enough. Can't imagine that kind of sentimentality flying in the men's pro game though.
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Uncle fester wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:45 pm Fair enough. Can't imagine that kind of sentimentality flying in the men's pro game though.
Wait for AWJ’s final test for Wales sometime in the 2030s.
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Uncle fester wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:45 pm Fair enough. Can't imagine that kind of sentimentality flying in the men's pro game though.
Tbh, England have been such a dominant force in the women's 6Ns of late that they can afford to do it. If one of the men's sides were similarly dominant I'm sure they'd allow themselves the indulgence for a player of sufficient stature as well.
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Someone who comments on women's rugby wondered if she's going for a coaching role (Eng assistant, Loughborough?). Personally, not a fan of players going straight into important coaching roles. Or maybe a too-good job has come up?
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This is some critique of the current situation for Irish women (fella looks to be Railway Union coach?). Without knowing the full situation in those places, and people saying Canada needs to step up ... and I'd love to see women's rugby players enjoy a liveable wage with all the benefits ... I don't see where the money comes from. As he says in this thread, many of the older players would be taking a pay cut / setback in their careers, younger women potentially risking ten years of struggle.

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Meant to mention that Ella Wyrwas became the 10th fully capped womans international from my little junior club in Hertfordshire when she came on as a replacement on Saturday. 9 for England and 1 for Ireland in the past 10 years :thumbup: :clap:
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Niegs wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 4:02 am This is some critique of the current situation for Irish women (fella looks to be Railway Union coach?). Without knowing the full situation in those places, and people saying Canada needs to step up ... and I'd love to see women's rugby players enjoy a liveable wage with all the benefits ... I don't see where the money comes from. As he says in this thread, many of the older players would be taking a pay cut / setback in their careers, younger women potentially risking ten years of struggle.

That guy is such a dose. He actually mentions the key problem a couple of times but glossed over it.

The league is a shambles.
This is the league table: https://www.irishrugby.ie/all-ireland-l ... ue-tables/
Look at the points diff for each team. The top 3 teams regularly hammer the other teams. What good is it for anybody, especially the international players when the majority of their games are barely opposed training sessions.

The guy in the tweet is the DOR for railway who are number 2 in the league. He is personally responsible for the state of the league because his team have no development structure. They simply poach players from other teams. So when they hockey a team, they note who was good from the opposition and poach them saying that the player won't play for province/country while playing for a small team.

He keeps moaning that others need to come up to the standard of his team while actively working to widen that gap.
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Uncle fester wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:42 am
Niegs wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 4:02 am This is some critique of the current situation for Irish women (fella looks to be Railway Union coach?). Without knowing the full situation in those places, and people saying Canada needs to step up ... and I'd love to see women's rugby players enjoy a liveable wage with all the benefits ... I don't see where the money comes from. As he says in this thread, many of the older players would be taking a pay cut / setback in their careers, younger women potentially risking ten years of struggle.

That guy is such a dose. He actually mentions the key problem a couple of times but glossed over it.

The league is a shambles.
This is the league table: https://www.irishrugby.ie/all-ireland-l ... ue-tables/
Look at the points diff for each team. The top 3 teams regularly hammer the other teams. What good is it for anybody, especially the international players when the majority of their games are barely opposed training sessions.

The guy in the tweet is the DOR for railway who are number 2 in the league. He is personally responsible for the state of the league because his team have no development structure. They simply poach players from other teams. So when they hockey a team, they note who was good from the opposition and poach them saying that the player won't play for province/country while playing for a small team.

He keeps moaning that others need to come up to the standard of his team while actively working to widen that gap.
Ooh, didn't know that!

The Canadian system had / has some similar issues. The women's Prem in BC used to be the marquee league to get noticed, so promising players would come out here leaving their home clubs weaker (though there wasn't a national title, even, so not like they were in competition). Two clubs tend to attract (naturally, not poaches) the best players so the league is top-heavy.

When I was coach, I inherited a team with six internationals, two former, two prospects. Teams complained we and the other front-runner were too strong, but the provincial union does ZERO to develop players/coaches so those lucky to have a good system internally, or be in the magnet city lead (a second women's club formed here the year after I left, half the internationals went there and used the uni's players in their offseason - they won the league their first year against my old club!)

Now, with no development at schools level, both clubs heavily rely on international hopefuls, off-season uni players, and the uni's reserves. Our national team continually relies on uni-aged players saying they're the ones getting the most development, but their season is only three months long. They don't do anything to help/encourage growth and also typically ignore any prospects who might be late developers or those who don't play for the 'right' team.
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Great game between Scotland and Wales. Scotland probably the better team but massively under sized compared with the Welsh who have some huge lumps.
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Arrrghhh Scottish women proving they are definitely Scottish
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Slick wrote: Sat Apr 01, 2023 6:21 pm Arrrghhh Scottish women proving they are definitely Scottish
No answer to the Welsh tight carries, particularly props. Could almost forgive that late knock-on if it was injury induced, but the ball should have gone wide in previous phase anyway.

Orr was great again, may just getting a bunch of backs together that might compete properly once the organisation is there.

Forwards still lacking power in the tight and without Konkel, don't see that changing any time soon - but still need the organisation in getting forward lining up in d at least Vs wingers hanging off rucks in middle of field taking on players twice their weight.
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TheNatalShark wrote: Sat Apr 01, 2023 6:35 pm
Slick wrote: Sat Apr 01, 2023 6:21 pm Arrrghhh Scottish women proving they are definitely Scottish
No answer to the Welsh tight carries, particularly props. Could almost forgive that late knock-on if it was injury induced, but the ball should have gone wide in previous phase anyway.

Orr was great again, may just getting a bunch of backs together that might compete properly once the organisation is there.

Forwards still lacking power in the tight and without Konkel, don't see that changing any time soon - but still need the organisation in getting forward lining up in d at least Vs wingers hanging off rucks in middle of field taking on players twice their weight.
All bang on, but they had a couple of chances at the end to create an upset which was very frustrating

Decided to wait until the Ireland game to take my daughter - good decision I think
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Taking my girls to England v Italy

I missed the start because of the queue for the car park. England have just have a try disallowed for crossing. I'm the only one who cheered...
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Music being player while the ball is in play really grinds my fucking gears
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Ireland for the Wooden Spoon again I assume?

Pretty embarrassing getting smashed by 50 odd points against 14 players.
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"learnings" :wtf: :mad:

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Niegs wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2023 1:20 pm "learnings" :wtf: :mad:

Horrible...

Italy as usual went all out against France and did not have much left in the tank.

The 6 Nations has 2 teams way to strong for the others. (some who should be dropped on humanitarian ground)
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