6 nations 2021 Scrum down in the lockdown

[clive]

How does this shit a Welsh team win a triple crown.

Because you are a utter fucking prick, fucking destroyed England.

STFU please, you're no representation of us Taffs..

Are you something special, your areshole must be squeaky clean at all times.

[Hal Jordan]

Currently i csn only see Itoje, Watson and Curry making the Lions, the rest? Hopeless

Not sure any of them deserve a place.

Watson had an excellent game and has looked back to his best this 6N, even when England haven't.

Dude finds the try line somehow.

[JM2K6]

Well done Wales. England very poor, very very stupid.

Sonia is a fucking idiot, I can't wait till she finally gets binned off.


Not sure where Eddie goes from here - he's backed himself into a corner, now he's facing (hiding from?) the fact that he has to change major personnel as well as the overall strategy.

Something he said really pissed me off, when asked about Itoje's penalties, something like "aww jeez he's a really good player, he'll learn from this". He gave away a hatful against Scotland, why didn't he fucking learn then?

[Uncle fester]

Holy shit. Can someone show me in the law book how that's not a knock on?

it went backwards off his leg.

Once you lose control of ball forward, you have to regain control of it don’t you?

Can you show me where that is in the law book?

[tc27]

The last 13 minutes was just awful from England - not even outplayed just gave away 3 brainless kick able penalties and an intercept

[JM2K6]

If someone travelling at pace loses control of the ball and it bounces off their body I cannot for the life of me see how it's not gone forward but hey, it was a decision that even LRZ knew was a joke, doesn't matter, England got themselves back into it and continued to implode.

[Ymx]

it went backwards off his leg.

Once you lose control of ball forward, you have to regain control of it don’t you?

Can you show me where that is in the law book?

It was covered by another poster.

[clive]

The last 13 minutes was just awful from England - not even outplayed just gave away 3 brainless kick able penalties and an intercept

Yes they were outplayed, top two inches.

[clive]

If someone travelling at pace loses control of the ball and it bounces off their body I cannot for the life of me see how it's not gone forward but hey, it was a decision that even LRZ knew was a joke, doesn't matter, England got themselves back into it and continued to implode.

Buy the rule book try stands, as does the result.

[Uncle fester]

I really don’t like seeing an attacking team get penned by a side entry. Always feels against the spirit and often when good attack is going.

This having to win within the rules thing is terrible right enough

Usually happens when the ball carrier outruns their support who can't legally win the ruck.

[Uncle fester]

If someone travelling at pace loses control of the ball and it bounces off their body I cannot for the life of me see how it's not gone forward but hey, it was a decision that even LRZ knew was a joke, doesn't matter, England got themselves back into it and continued to implode.

Unless it goes in the opposite direction, you know, backwards.

[Uncle fester]

Spitting, honestly. England would probably have won that with a bit to spare if those two tries hadn't been given, despite playing like the usual group of brickheaded morons up front. Instead, no win, but another reason to cover up the coaching failings.

So if Wales didn't score the points that won them the game, England would have won it instead?

This is ground breaking stuff.

[JM2K6]

If someone travelling at pace loses control of the ball and it bounces off their body I cannot for the life of me see how it's not gone forward but hey, it was a decision that even LRZ knew was a joke, doesn't matter, England got themselves back into it and continued to implode.

Unless it goes in the opposite direction, you know, backwards.

How do you lose control of the ball into yourself, have it bounce off yourself the opposite direction, and not have a knock-on because of one of those two things? Especially when you're running forward. There's no way that ball wasn't fumbled forward initially.

It's a weird argument because if the refs come out and say actually, that's not a knock-on, then it invalidates literally thousands of decisions made the other way over the years. All very odd.

Anyway, don't want to bang on about it, it's one of those rare situations where all the onfield players knew it was a fuckup, the pundits all knew it was a fuckup, but the officials did their own thing. Not the first time. Won't be the last. Happily Wales made it irrelevant.

[Paddington Bear]

Don’t worry, England lost so the vultures are circling. Never mind the commentators were literally laughing at how bad it was, that’s just how it is

[Uncle fester]

Currently i csn only see Itoje, Watson and Curry making the Lions, the rest? Hopeless

First up, others are playing shit as well.
Secondly, Gatland is cute enough to know that England are playing with the Eddie handicap.

England will beat Ireland solidly enough I reckon and possibly do a number on France as well.

[Sandstorm]

If someone travelling at pace loses control of the ball and it bounces off their body I cannot for the life of me see how it's not gone forward but hey, it was a decision that even LRZ knew was a joke, doesn't matter, England got themselves back into it and continued to implode.

Unless it goes in the opposite direction, you know, backwards.

How do you lose control of the ball into yourself, have it bounce off yourself the opposite direction, and not have a knock-on because of one of those two things? Especially when you're running forward. There's no way that ball wasn't fumbled forward initially.

It's a weird argument because if the refs come out and say actually, that's not a knock-on, then it invalidates literally thousands of decisions made the other way over the years. All very odd.

Anyway, don't want to bang on about it, it's one of those rare situations where all the onfield players knew it was a fuckup, the pundits all knew it was a fuckup, but the officials did their own thing. Not the first time. Won't be the last. Happily Wales made it irrelevant.

French refs. Bonkers goes with the territory

[Ymx]

I really don’t like seeing an attacking team get penned by a side entry. Always feels against the spirit and often when good attack is going.

This having to win within the rules thing is terrible right enough

Usually happens when the ball carrier outruns their support who can't legally win the ruck.

Yes. Often after a blistering attack where there are only a few players looking to receive and then needing to switch across to defend a ruck.

[Uncle fester]

If someone travelling at pace loses control of the ball and it bounces off their body I cannot for the life of me see how it's not gone forward but hey, it was a decision that even LRZ knew was a joke, doesn't matter, England got themselves back into it and continued to implode.

Unless it goes in the opposite direction, you know, backwards.

How do you lose control of the ball into yourself, have it bounce off yourself the opposite direction, and not have a knock-on because of one of those two things? Especially when you're running forward. There's no way that ball wasn't fumbled forward initially.

It's a weird argument because if the refs come out and say actually, that's not a knock-on, then it invalidates literally thousands of decisions made the other way over the years. All very odd.

Anyway, don't want to bang on about it, it's one of those rare situations where all the onfield players knew it was a fuckup, the pundits all knew it was a fuckup, but the officials did their own thing. Not the first time. Won't be the last. Happily Wales made it irrelevant.

Ah no I get you. In real time, I called it as a knock on and was convinced that Williams also dropped it on the line so me with whistle would have disallowed the try twice.

But...
They have the benefit of the TMO and in the strict letter of the law, it's not a knock on.

Put it to you this way, you try to catch a pass but fumble it forward. Before it hits anybody or the ground, you lunge forward to try to regather and it then goes backwards.
Is it a knock on?
No, it isn't. This is pretty much the same.

[Sandstorm]

The Law is dumb.
Drop the ball forward or downward = knock-on. Drop it backwards = play on.

[Uncle fester]

Don’t worry, England lost so the vultures are circling. Never mind the commentators were literally laughing at how bad it was, that’s just how it is

If you're depending on pundits for wisdom on rugby laws, you're into a loser there. Look at all the dopes claiming "the game has gone soft" re the POM and Fagerson red cards, or that the ref got them wrong.

[Ymx]

Put it to you this way, you try to catch a pass but fumble it forward. Before it hits anybody or the ground, you lunge forward to try to regather and it then goes backwards.
Is it a knock on?
No, it isn't. This is pretty much the same.

That is a knock on.

[Ymx]

Knock-on: When a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it.

https://laws.worldrugby.org/?search=Knock-on

[Uncle fester]

If it said "the ball touches the ground, another player or a different body part of the same player" then you'd have a point.

But the ball went backward off the player before it hit the ground or another player therefore it's not a knock on.

[Insane_Homer]

Knock-on: When a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it.

Yes, he lost possession, it hit his leg and it went BACKWARDS before touching the ground or another player.

[JM2K6]

Unless it goes in the opposite direction, you know, backwards.

How do you lose control of the ball into yourself, have it bounce off yourself the opposite direction, and not have a knock-on because of one of those two things? Especially when you're running forward. There's no way that ball wasn't fumbled forward initially.

It's a weird argument because if the refs come out and say actually, that's not a knock-on, then it invalidates literally thousands of decisions made the other way over the years. All very odd.

Anyway, don't want to bang on about it, it's one of those rare situations where all the onfield players knew it was a fuckup, the pundits all knew it was a fuckup, but the officials did their own thing. Not the first time. Won't be the last. Happily Wales made it irrelevant.

Ah no I get you. In real time, I called it as a knock on and was convinced that Williams also dropped it on the line so me with whistle would have disallowed the try twice.

But...
They have the benefit of the TMO and in the strict letter of the law, it's not a knock on.

Put it to you this way, you try to catch a pass but fumble it forward. Before it hits anybody or the ground, you lunge forward to try to regather and it then goes backwards.
Is it a knock on?
No, it isn't. This is pretty much the same.

Instead of regathering you instead knock it down and then it bounces backwards. Knock on?

[Ymx]

If it said "the ball touches the ground, another player or a different body part of the same player" then you'd have a point.

But the ball went backward off the player before it hit the ground or another player therefore it's not a knock on.

It initially went forward which sets the first criteria in action.

Then out of the clearly specified options the first to occur is that it hits the ground.

I’d also add if it hits the orig player in the mean time it doesn’t matter. If he then re gathers it it’s fine. He can juggle it on his body as many times as happens.

All that matters is whether he caught it, or whether it hits ground / another

[Ovals]

Forget the ref - we were 24 all and had the game at our mercy - we then proceeded to gift them a series of dumb penalties and 9 points - that's where we lost the game. Pure stupidity by the players.

The bench were dire when they came on.

Wales are not a very good side - but they will be going into the final 6n game with 4 wins and a chance of a grandslam - whilst only Italy will finish below us.

[Biffer]

How does this shit a Welsh team win a triple crown.

Because you are a utter fucking prick, fucking destroyed England.

Well fuck you too you pretendy taff cunt.

[clive]

Forget the ref - we were 24 all and had the game at our mercy - we then proceeded to gift them a series of dumb penalties and 9 points - that's where we lost the game. Pure stupidity by the players.

The bench were dire when they came on.

Wales are not a very good side - but they will be going into the final 6n game with 4 wins and a chance of a grandslam - whilst only Italy will finish below us.

Wales are not A very good side, we put 40 points on you English cunts, so that must mean England are fucking shit, wake up you soft headed prick.
Stop watching fantasy island.

[clive]

How does this shit a Welsh team win a triple crown.

Because you are a utter fucking prick, fucking destroyed England.

Well fuck you too you pretendy taff cunt.

Pretendy what word is that, I don't fucking care that you may be a bit slow, you cannot make up words, dumb fucking ass.
and stop dribbling whilst your care worker feeds you.

[eldanielfire]

Knock-on: When a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it.

https://laws.worldrugby.org/?search=Knock-on

The issue I see with that is the ball touched LRZs leg and went backwards before it hit the ground. I think it even bounced off the England player's leg before it hit the ground. Plenty of times players fumbled balls in different situations, it bounces to the ground behind them and refs shout "backwards" and play on.

[eldanielfire]

A bigger question that ref calls, is how on earth has England's discipline gone backwards so quickly? It's now at Martin Johnson slamming his fists era England (which was 10+ years ago now ) after they were doing everything so near perfectly in 2019?

[Kawazaki]

Knock-on: When a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it.

https://laws.worldrugby.org/?search=Knock-on

The issue I see with that is the ball touched LRZs leg and went backwards before it hit the ground. I think it even bounced off the England player's leg before it hit the ground. Plenty of times players fumbled balls in different situations, it bounces to the ground behind them and refs shout "backwards" and play on.

Are you mad? The ball clearly went forwards off LRZ's right hand, then hit his right leg, then rebounded back, hit Slade, and then went forwards towards the England goal line.

It was a knock-on. As clear at day. Not marginal. Not even close to marginal.

[Ymx]

Knock-on: When a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it.

https://laws.worldrugby.org/?search=Knock-on

The issue I see with that is the ball touched LRZs leg and went backwards before it hit the ground. I think it even bounced off the England player's leg before it hit the ground. Plenty of times players fumbled balls in different situations, it bounces to the ground behind them and refs shout "backwards" and play on.

I covered that in prev post. It can hit the same player all it likes, all that matters then is the final outcome, did he catch it, or the other ?
It was the other (ground/another) and therefore a knock on.

I’m sure we will see clarification this week on it by a ref. And then one of us can be all smug. Me

[Uncle fester]

If it said "the ball touches the ground, another player or a different body part of the same player" then you'd have a point.

But the ball went backward off the player before it hit the ground or another player therefore it's not a knock on.

It initially went forward which sets the first criteria in action.

Then out of the clearly specified options the first to occur is that it hits the ground.

I’d also add if it hits the orig player in the mean time it doesn’t matter. If he then re gathers it it’s fine. He can juggle it on his body as many times as happens.

All that matters is whether he caught it, or whether it hits ground / another

[Uncle fester]

How do you lose control of the ball into yourself, have it bounce off yourself the opposite direction, and not have a knock-on because of one of those two things? Especially when you're running forward. There's no way that ball wasn't fumbled forward initially.

It's a weird argument because if the refs come out and say actually, that's not a knock-on, then it invalidates literally thousands of decisions made the other way over the years. All very odd.

Anyway, don't want to bang on about it, it's one of those rare situations where all the onfield players knew it was a fuckup, the pundits all knew it was a fuckup, but the officials did their own thing. Not the first time. Won't be the last. Happily Wales made it irrelevant.

Ah no I get you. In real time, I called it as a knock on and was convinced that Williams also dropped it on the line so me with whistle would have disallowed the try twice.

But...
They have the benefit of the TMO and in the strict letter of the law, it's not a knock on.

Put it to you this way, you try to catch a pass but fumble it forward. Before it hits anybody or the ground, you lunge forward to try to regather and it then goes backwards.
Is it a knock on?
No, it isn't. This is pretty much the same.

Instead of regathering you instead knock it down and then it bounces backwards. Knock on?

The law says forward. Do you have an example in mind or is this just theoretical?

[Ymx]

I’ll accept all of your apologies in the week

[Biffer]

Because you are a utter fucking prick, fucking destroyed England.

Well fuck you too you pretendy taff cunt.

Pretendy what word is that, I don't fucking care that you may be a bit slow, you cannot make up words, dumb fucking ass.
and stop dribbling whilst your care worker feeds you.

Aren’t you a sweetheart. It’s not wise to drink on an empty head.

[JM2K6]

Ah no I get you. In real time, I called it as a knock on and was convinced that Williams also dropped it on the line so me with whistle would have disallowed the try twice.

But...
They have the benefit of the TMO and in the strict letter of the law, it's not a knock on.

Put it to you this way, you try to catch a pass but fumble it forward. Before it hits anybody or the ground, you lunge forward to try to regather and it then goes backwards.
Is it a knock on?
No, it isn't. This is pretty much the same.

Instead of regathering you instead knock it down and then it bounces backwards. Knock on?

The law says forward. Do you have an example in mind or is this just theoretical?

Theory. It would be given by every ref in the world. Though apparently isn't forward. This is a sea change in how the game is officiated.

I doubt it'll actually work out that way, though.

[Hal Jordan]

I’ll accept all of your apologies in the week

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.