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Rinkals wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 7:02 pm

Slick wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 6:00 pm My wife’s place has had every single booking for tonight and tomorrow night cancel

In other news, feel totally shite after the booster yesterday

Slick wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:07 pm

Sandstorm wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:04 pm Well that escalated fast!! Jabbed 3pm Saturday, just a sore arm on Sunday until 9pm when I started shivering and sweating uncontrollably. Went to bed and was ready to die all night. Drenched the sheets in sweat, awful headache. Almost cracked my teeth they were chattering so much!! Sent a sick note text to boss at breakfast time.

Finally passed out asleep and woke up at 2pm this afternoon. Felt much better at last and the arm barely aches any more.

Fuck Moderna boosters and fuck Covid19.

Yeehaa! Sounds like you are a bit of a fanny, but glad you’re feeling better

Slick wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 6:00 pm My wife’s place has had every single booking for tonight and tomorrow night cancel

In other news, feel totally shite after the booster yesterday

Ymx wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:44 pm

Slick wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:07 pm

Sandstorm wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:04 pm Well that escalated fast!! Jabbed 3pm Saturday, just a sore arm on Sunday until 9pm when I started shivering and sweating uncontrollably. Went to bed and was ready to die all night. Drenched the sheets in sweat, awful headache. Almost cracked my teeth they were chattering so much!! Sent a sick note text to boss at breakfast time.

Finally passed out asleep and woke up at 2pm this afternoon. Felt much better at last and the arm barely aches any more.

Fuck Moderna boosters and fuck Covid19.

Yeehaa! Sounds like you are a bit of a fanny, but glad you’re feeling better

Slick wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 6:00 pm My wife’s place has had every single booking for tonight and tomorrow night cancel

In other news, feel totally shite after the booster yesterday

I’m not sure you’ll get much sympathy from Sandy on this one.

Slick wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:27 pm Very magnanimous.

But at me!

Biffer wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:11 am

Slick wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:27 pm Very magnanimous.

But at me!

My arm is barely even sore now.

Lightweights who can't take a shot without a few days in bed, honestly.

Slick wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:23 am

Biffer wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:11 am

Slick wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:27 pm Very magnanimous.

But at me!

My arm is barely even sore now.

Lightweights who can't take a shot without a few days in bed, honestly.

I'm sprightly today!

Doesn't it just mean I have an immense and extremely manly immune system?

petej wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 6:20 pm

Slick wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 6:00 pm My wife’s place has had every single booking for tonight and tomorrow night cancel

In other news, feel totally shite after the booster yesterday

Moderna?

Calculon wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 5:58 pm

petej wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 5:53 pm

https://www.med.hku.hk/en/news/press/20 ... ss_release

Thanks, that would support the difference in symptoms we are seeing between the two strains.

And the speed of spread.

tc27 wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:33 pm Well..lets hope Omicron is mild in most people because in cases numbers looks like we are going to set some new records:

Calculon wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:05 am

petej wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 6:20 pm

Slick wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 6:00 pm My wife’s place has had every single booking for tonight and tomorrow night cancel

In other news, feel totally shite after the booster yesterday

Moderna?

Calculon wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 5:58 pm
Thanks, that would support the difference in symptoms we are seeing between the two strains.

And the speed of spread.

foshure, let's hope it completely replaces the delta variant

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:52 pmAre we assuming that the vaccine program was pointless then? I know that's sounding facetious, but who gives a flying f**k about infection rates if the vaccines are effective?

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:52 pm

tc27 wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:33 pm Well..lets hope Omicron is mild in most people because in cases numbers looks like we are going to set some new records:

Are we assuming that the vaccine program was pointless then? I know that's sounding facetious, but who gives a flying f**k about infection rates if the vaccines are effective?

petej wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 5:53 pm

Calculon wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 5:42 pm Please send the link!

https://www.med.hku.hk/en/news/press/20 ... ss_release

As a crude rate, Omicron is currently leading to a third fewer hospital admissions than Delta did during its entire wave — 38 admissions per 1,000 Omicron cases compared to 101 per 1,000 for Delta.

Ymx wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:13 pm Looking for it I just found this in the fail.

As a crude rate, Omicron is currently leading to a third fewer hospital admissions than Delta did during its entire wave — 38 admissions per 1,000 Omicron cases compared to 101 per 1,000 for Delta.

That’s a “third of”, not a “third fewer.”

Blimey it’s hard to find consistency here

Omicron is causing milder disease than Delta in patients in the epicentre of the new Covid variant, the first major real-world study in South Africa confirmed today.

Officials who analysed 78,000 Omicron cases in the past month estimated the risk of hospitalisation was a fifth lower than with Delta and 29 per cent lower than the original virus.

fishfoodie wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:51 pm Median age in UK, 40.6 YOA; Media age in South Africa, 27.6 YOA

That's a big demographic difference, when it comes to Covid

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:11 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:52 pmAre we assuming that the vaccine program was pointless then? I know that's sounding facetious, but who gives a flying f**k about infection rates if the vaccines are effective?

Covid didn't start with Omicron, and the vaccines are still providing us with a real defence against Omicron. It'd be carnage without them. Vaccines are effective but don't stop transmission of Omicron and aren't 100% effective.

petej wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:57 pm The obvious thing to do is post today's graphs from Gauteng by the chap that calculon linked a few days back rather who is more reliable than newspapers. Hospital stay duration is about half of that for delta according doctors in SA (haven't seen any charts so anecdotal).

fishfoodie wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:51 pm Median age in UK, 40.6 YOA; Media age in South Africa, 27.6 YOA

That's a big demographic difference, when it comes to Covid

Less people vaccinated and probably a higher proportion immuno compromised. I remain cautiously optimistic.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:55 am

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:11 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:52 pmAre we assuming that the vaccine program was pointless then? I know that's sounding facetious, but who gives a flying f**k about infection rates if the vaccines are effective?

Covid didn't start with Omicron, and the vaccines are still providing us with a real defence against Omicron. It'd be carnage without them. Vaccines are effective but don't stop transmission of Omicron and aren't 100% effective.

Death rates have sat 150 per day and fewer since the peak of Jan. 11 months. Nearer 120 now. And those figures are those who died WITH Covid within 28 days of (an assumed accurate) test..... not died because of Covid. We've gone from (rightly) focusing on deaths to infections. Given these vaccines (unlike many traditional ones) do not prevent infection, good luck with panic policies to prevent spread of infection. Because unless the virus dies out or ceases to mutate, then infection is here for good.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:55 am

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:11 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:52 pmAre we assuming that the vaccine program was pointless then? I know that's sounding facetious, but who gives a flying f**k about infection rates if the vaccines are effective?

Covid didn't start with Omicron, and the vaccines are still providing us with a real defence against Omicron. It'd be carnage without them. Vaccines are effective but don't stop transmission of Omicron and aren't 100% effective.

Death rates have sat 150 per day and fewer since the peak of Jan. 11 months. Nearer 120 now. And those figures are those who died WITH Covid within 28 days of (an assumed accurate) test..... not died because of Covid. We've gone from (rightly) focusing on deaths to infections. Given these vaccines (unlike many traditional ones) do not prevent infection, good luck with panic policies to prevent spread of infection. Because unless the virus dies out or ceases to mutate, then infection is here for good.

dpedin wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:12 am

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:55 am

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:11 pm

Covid didn't start with Omicron, and the vaccines are still providing us with a real defence against Omicron. It'd be carnage without them. Vaccines are effective but don't stop transmission of Omicron and aren't 100% effective.

Death rates have sat 150 per day and fewer since the peak of Jan. 11 months. Nearer 120 now. And those figures are those who died WITH Covid within 28 days of (an assumed accurate) test..... not died because of Covid. We've gone from (rightly) focusing on deaths to infections. Given these vaccines (unlike many traditional ones) do not prevent infection, good luck with panic policies to prevent spread of infection. Because unless the virus dies out or ceases to mutate, then infection is here for good.

We have gone in 12 months from having no vaccine to having a very effective vaccine that slows down transmission and prevents hospitalisation and death for the vast majority who get infected with covid. In another 12 months we will have vaccines that will be even more effective in preventing transmission, hospitalisation and death. The scientists are very confident about this. Our, and our Gov, job is to try and prevent community transmission as much as possible and that means we need a multi layered approach which means vaccinations, masks, good ventilation, distancing, etc. We need a range of preventative measures that we can ramp up or down as required. Thinking we can control community transmission at this stage just via vaccines alone is for the birds. The current Gov need to be shot for this approach.

Whilst the virus is here for good it is both pessimistic and unrealistic to think we just accept 120 - 150+ deaths a day as an acceptable price to pay. When folk say we need to 'learn to live with it' what they really mean is we need to 'learn to die with it, and it won't be me dying because I'm not in a vulnerable group'.We don't have a good track record in eradicating disease, we have only really eradicated polio, but we have a fantastic track record in eliminating community transmission of very many dangerous diseases through a multi layered PH approach - measles, chicken pox, mumps, rubella, rabies, etc. We will do the same with covid but to expect we can do it in 12 months is just silly.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:00 am

petej wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:57 pm The obvious thing to do is post today's graphs from Gauteng by the chap that calculon linked a few days back rather who is more reliable than newspapers. Hospital stay duration is about half of that for delta according doctors in SA (haven't seen any charts so anecdotal).

fishfoodie wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:51 pm Median age in UK, 40.6 YOA; Media age in South Africa, 27.6 YOA

That's a big demographic difference, when it comes to Covid

Less people vaccinated and probably a higher proportion immuno compromised. I remain cautiously optimistic.

Total covid hospital admissions in GB since April 2020 (20 months) = less than 650,000. Admissions: we have no data for tenure.

Total admissions to the NHS for last 12 months in England alone for clinically obese related treatments........... = in excess of 1 million.

Who is overloading (in every sense) the health system?

dpedin wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:24 am

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:00 am

petej wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:57 pm The obvious thing to do is post today's graphs from Gauteng by the chap that calculon linked a few days back rather who is more reliable than newspapers. Hospital stay duration is about half of that for delta according doctors in SA (haven't seen any charts so anecdotal).



Less people vaccinated and probably a higher proportion immuno compromised. I remain cautiously optimistic.

Total covid hospital admissions in GB since April 2020 (20 months) = less than 650,000. Admissions: we have no data for tenure.

Total admissions to the NHS for last 12 months in England alone for clinically obese related treatments........... = in excess of 1 million.

Who is overloading (in every sense) the health system?

You are right about obesity and impact on NHS but at the moment we don't have a simple vaccine that prevents folk being hospitalised and dying from obesity, we do for covid or for the vast majority that catch it. Each problem is complex and requires its own solution, luckily we have a solution for the vast majority who catch covid ... get a jab! Obesity and related diseases such as diabetes is hugely more complex ... I await your easy to implement solutions.

dpedin wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:24 am

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:00 am

petej wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:57 pm The obvious thing to do is post today's graphs from Gauteng by the chap that calculon linked a few days back rather who is more reliable than newspapers. Hospital stay duration is about half of that for delta according doctors in SA (haven't seen any charts so anecdotal).



Less people vaccinated and probably a higher proportion immuno compromised. I remain cautiously optimistic.

Total covid hospital admissions in GB since April 2020 (20 months) = less than 650,000. Admissions: we have no data for tenure.

Total admissions to the NHS for last 12 months in England alone for clinically obese related treatments........... = in excess of 1 million.

Who is overloading (in every sense) the health system?

You are right about obesity and impact on NHS but at the moment we don't have a simple vaccine that prevents folk being hospitalised and dying from obesity, we do for covid or for the vast majority that catch it. Each problem is complex and requires its own solution, luckily we have a solution for the vast majority who catch covid ... get a jab! Obesity and related diseases such as diabetes is hugely more complex ... I await your easy to implement solutions.

Biffer wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:20 am

dpedin wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:12 am

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:55 am
Death rates have sat 150 per day and fewer since the peak of Jan. 11 months. Nearer 120 now. And those figures are those who died WITH Covid within 28 days of (an assumed accurate) test..... not died because of Covid. We've gone from (rightly) focusing on deaths to infections. Given these vaccines (unlike many traditional ones) do not prevent infection, good luck with panic policies to prevent spread of infection. Because unless the virus dies out or ceases to mutate, then infection is here for good.

We have gone in 12 months from having no vaccine to having a very effective vaccine that slows down transmission and prevents hospitalisation and death for the vast majority who get infected with covid. In another 12 months we will have vaccines that will be even more effective in preventing transmission, hospitalisation and death. The scientists are very confident about this. Our, and our Gov, job is to try and prevent community transmission as much as possible and that means we need a multi layered approach which means vaccinations, masks, good ventilation, distancing, etc. We need a range of preventative measures that we can ramp up or down as required. Thinking we can control community transmission at this stage just via vaccines alone is for the birds. The current Gov need to be shot for this approach.

Whilst the virus is here for good it is both pessimistic and unrealistic to think we just accept 120 - 150+ deaths a day as an acceptable price to pay. When folk say we need to 'learn to live with it' what they really mean is we need to 'learn to die with it, and it won't be me dying because I'm not in a vulnerable group'.We don't have a good track record in eradicating disease, we have only really eradicated polio, but we have a fantastic track record in eliminating community transmission of very many dangerous diseases through a multi layered PH approach - measles, chicken pox, mumps, rubella, rabies, etc. We will do the same with covid but to expect we can do it in 12 months is just silly.

Yep. That's of the order of 50,000 deaths a year. That's a very bad flu season. So we're being asked to accept a very bad flu season of deaths every single year by idiots.