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Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:00 pm
by Big D
Blackmac wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:58 pm
Big D wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:53 pm
Blackmac wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:52 pm
What is Townsend thinking with Kinghorn.
He's not an international 10, but throwing him on and asking him to run from everywhere is unfair too.
Which is a nonsense instruction and will only lead to an avalanche of late points.
Totally agree. Has White or Kinghorn put in a kick from our own 22 in open play yet?
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:01 pm
by sefton
This is a good Scottish side, this is a good Scottish side who haven’t played poorly, they’ve just been made to look like a poor Scottish side.
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:01 pm
by Big D
sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:00 pm
But for wayward goal kicking this would be closing in on being a 50 pointer.
If Scotland made fairly standard tackles instead of missing them we'd be unfairly close.
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:02 pm
by Openside
Darg is a bit of a find!!
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:03 pm
by I like neeps
sefton wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:01 pm
This is a good Scottish side, this is a good Scottish side who haven’t played poorly, they’ve just been made to look like a poor Scottish side.
And is coached poorly. We lost to Wales ffs.
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:03 pm
by Big D
Good teams beat bad sides and that's what we've seen today.
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:04 pm
by petej
sefton wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:01 pm
This is a good Scottish side, this is a good Scottish side who haven’t played poorly, they’ve just been made to look like a poor Scottish side.
I'm inclined to agree. This France team is really, really good and should win a grand slam this year.
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:04 pm
by PCPhil
It’s on!
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:05 pm
by Blackmac
Openside wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:02 pm
Darg is a bit of a find!!
My mate was his boxing coach. Reckons he was the fittest, hardest lad he has ever met.
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:05 pm
by sockwithaticket
petej wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:04 pm
sefton wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:01 pm
This is a good Scottish side, this is a good Scottish side who haven’t played poorly, they’ve just been made to look like a poor Scottish side.
I'm inclined to agree. This France team is really, really good and should win a grand slam this year.
I certainly don't think we've got it in us to spoil their party on the final day.
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:06 pm
by Tattie
Who are these happy clapper idiots celebrating like we’ve just won?
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:07 pm
by Big D
Congrats to the French lads on here. Well derved win.
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:08 pm
by SaintK
sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:05 pm
petej wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:04 pm
sefton wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:01 pm
This is a good Scottish side, this is a good Scottish side who haven’t played poorly, they’ve just been made to look like a poor Scottish side.
I'm inclined to agree. This France team is really, really good and should win a grand slam this year.
I certainly don't think we've got it in us to spoil their party on the final day.
Quite
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:08 pm
by sefton
petej wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:04 pm
sefton wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:01 pm
This is a good Scottish side, this is a good Scottish side who haven’t played poorly, they’ve just been made to look like a poor Scottish side.
I'm inclined to agree. This France team is really, really good and should win a grand slam this year.
It’s their defence and fitness that has seen the biggest improvement.
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:09 pm
by Blackmac
Can't really complain about that. Possibly the most complete French side I have seen. Superb.
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:09 pm
by Blackmac
sefton wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:08 pm
petej wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:04 pm
sefton wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:01 pm
This is a good Scottish side, this is a good Scottish side who haven’t played poorly, they’ve just been made to look like a poor Scottish side.
I'm inclined to agree. This France team is really, really good and should win a grand slam this year.
It’s their defence and fitness that has seen the biggest improvement.
Their breakdown defence is ridiculous.
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:10 pm
by Big D
Missed tackles, missed opportunities, the standard idiotic players giving away the same penalties and coaches asking rookie international half backs to run from our own line. Shambles.
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:10 pm
by laurent
French second half was impressive
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:10 pm
by And 1 guest
Congrats France. One hell of a team, and seem to be getting better all the time
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:15 pm
by SaintK
Blackmac wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:09 pm
sefton wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:08 pm
petej wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:04 pm
I'm inclined to agree. This France team is really, really good and should win a grand slam this year.
It’s their defence and fitness that has seen the biggest improvement.
Their breakdown defence is ridiculous.
I reckon Sean Edwards could namne his price from any tier 1 country in the world
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:22 pm
by C T
And there was me thinking at half time that we still had a chance.
Congratulations France, looking very impressive.
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:37 pm
by Openside
Blackmac wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:05 pm
Openside wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:02 pm
Darg is a bit of a find!!
My mate was his boxing coach. Reckons he was the fittest, hardest lad he has ever met.
Proper openside’s openside in the Winterbottom mould…
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:46 pm
by sefton
SaintK wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:15 pm
Blackmac wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:09 pm
sefton wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:08 pm
It’s their defence and fitness that has seen the biggest improvement.
Their breakdown defence is ridiculous.
I reckon Sean Edwards could namne his price from any tier 1 country in the world
Don’t even want to think about why he is not in the England set-up.
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:58 pm
by Uncle fester
I like neeps wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:03 pm
sefton wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:01 pm
This is a good Scottish side, this is a good Scottish side who haven’t played poorly, they’ve just been made to look like a poor Scottish side.
And is coached poorly. We lost to Wales ffs.
Need to figure out what you're doing with the backline. Picking Russell with those two centres is like installing American plug sockets in a British house and buying a French stereo.
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:07 pm
by I like neeps
Uncle fester wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:58 pm
I like neeps wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:03 pm
sefton wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:01 pm
This is a good Scottish side, this is a good Scottish side who haven’t played poorly, they’ve just been made to look like a poor Scottish side.
And is coached poorly. We lost to Wales ffs.
Need to figure out what you're doing with the backline. Picking Russell with those two centres is like installing American plug sockets in a British house and buying a French stereo.
And it's such a waste of Graham, vdm and Hogg.
Townsend is unfortunately out of his depth. He can coach an upset but he's not a coach for consistency.
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:09 pm
by Uncle fester
Where is Hastings? Is he injured?
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:37 pm
by Yr Alban
Uncle fester wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:09 pm
Where is Hastings? Is he injured?
Nope. Left out of the squad for Kinghorn. No, we can’t figure it out either.
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:43 pm
by Big D
Uncle fester wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:09 pm
Where is Hastings? Is he injured?
Started to fall out of favour in the autumn where he got about 15min across the autumn. Was told to go away and work on a few things and then got dropped to the bench for his club.
Kinghorn wasn't good nor the problem today. The game was over well before then.
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 7:18 pm
by Wrinkles
I like neeps wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:03 pm
sefton wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:01 pm
This is a good Scottish side, this is a good Scottish side who haven’t played poorly, they’ve just been made to look like a poor Scottish side.
And is coached poorly. We lost to Wales ffs.
You’ve beaten Wales twice in 15 years and once away in the last 20 (by 4 points, in an empty Parc y Scarlets). Not sure why you see losing in Cardiff as something unexpected.
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 9:27 pm
by Slick
Big D wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:43 pm
Uncle fester wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:09 pm
Where is Hastings? Is he injured?
Started to fall out of favour in the autumn where he got about 15min across the autumn. Was told to go away and work on a few things and then got dropped to the bench for his club.
Kinghorn wasn't good nor the problem today. The game was over well before then.
Hastings should be starting IMO, frankly
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 9:35 pm
by Big D
Slick wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 9:27 pm
Big D wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:43 pm
Uncle fester wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:09 pm
Where is Hastings? Is he injured?
Started to fall out of favour in the autumn where he got about 15min across the autumn. Was told to go away and work on a few things and then got dropped to the bench for his club.
Kinghorn wasn't good nor the problem today. The game was over well before then.
Hastings should be starting IMO, frankly
It wouldn't matter. Price has dropped several levels, the centres are pish (except when Harris is defending) so having Finn, Thompson, Kinghorn, Hastings who is now the Gloucester back up 10 or the Easter Bunny at 10 won't make any difference.
Hastings isn't the player he was two years ago. It's up to him to show any sort of form and he hasn't.
As off his game as Finn has been, he put both centres into 3 on 2s and they didn't even get a pass off.
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 9:37 pm
by Jock42
Well done France
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 10:15 pm
by Slick
Big D wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 9:35 pm
Slick wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 9:27 pm
Big D wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:43 pm
Started to fall out of favour in the autumn where he got about 15min across the autumn. Was told to go away and work on a few things and then got dropped to the bench for his club.
Kinghorn wasn't good nor the problem today. The game was over well before then.
Hastings should be starting IMO, frankly
It wouldn't matter. Price has dropped several levels, the centres are pish (except when Harris is defending) so having Finn, Thompson, Kinghorn, Hastings who is now the Gloucester back up 10 or the Easter Bunny at 10 won't make any difference.
Hastings isn't the player he was two years ago. It's up to him to show any sort of form and he hasn't.
As off his game as Finn has been, he put both centres into 3 on 2s and they didn't even get a pass off.
That was potentially a bit emotional from me regarding 10. Finn is still out No1
However, the point about the centres. It has gone to shit since Johnson was inexplicably dropped out of the squad. I’m aware I’m at danger of getting really boring about this, but it’s true
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 10:16 pm
by Slick
Jock42 wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 9:37 pmWell done France
I think everyone has acknowledged that. Just a better team
And brilliant support in the ground
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 10:16 pm
by Big D
Slick wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 10:15 pm
Big D wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 9:35 pm
Slick wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 9:27 pm
Hastings should be starting IMO, frankly
It wouldn't matter. Price has dropped several levels, the centres are pish (except when Harris is defending) so having Finn, Thompson, Kinghorn, Hastings who is now the Gloucester back up 10 or the Easter Bunny at 10 won't make any difference.
Hastings isn't the player he was two years ago. It's up to him to show any sort of form and he hasn't.
As off his game as Finn has been, he put both centres into 3 on 2s and they didn't even get a pass off.
That was potentially a bit emotional from me regarding 10. Finn is still out No1
However, the point about the centres. It has gone to shit since Johnson was inexplicably dropped out of the squad. I’m aware I’m at danger of getting really boring about this, but it’s true
In no order; Johnson, Redpath (injured), Hutchison and Lang are all better 12s for this level. They can pick a pass.
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 10:18 pm
by Slick
Big D wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 10:16 pm
Slick wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 10:15 pm
Big D wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 9:35 pm
It wouldn't matter. Price has dropped several levels, the centres are pish (except when Harris is defending) so having Finn, Thompson, Kinghorn, Hastings who is now the Gloucester back up 10 or the Easter Bunny at 10 won't make any difference.
Hastings isn't the player he was two years ago. It's up to him to show any sort of form and he hasn't.
As off his game as Finn has been, he put both centres into 3 on 2s and they didn't even get a pass off.
That was potentially a bit emotional from me regarding 10. Finn is still out No1
However, the point about the centres. It has gone to shit since Johnson was inexplicably dropped out of the squad. I’m aware I’m at danger of getting really boring about this, but it’s true
In no order; Johnson, Redpath (injured), Hutchison and Lang are all better 12s for this level. They can pick a pass.
Yup. Tuipulotu hasn’t done anything particularly wrong, but he was glaringly a weak link last week, so no idea about that selection
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 10:43 pm
by Punter15
This lot make not getting a cap quite painful. I watch the crap passes and dropped good ones and know for sure that I could have done that too.
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:22 am
by Yr Alban
C T wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:22 pm
And there was me thinking at half time that we still had a chance.
Congratulations France, looking very impressive.
Well, we did. Scotland had a rocky start, but came back into the game and honours were pretty even for the rest of the first half. If Harris’s pass to Hogg had been an inch or two less ahead of him, we’d have gone in ahead and the third French try wouldn’t have had time to happen. But it did, and then the French try right after HT killed us off.
France do look impressive.
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:47 am
by Tichtheid
I've only seen the second half in its entirety and bits of the first that have been on twitter etc
France look like world champions in waiting to me, they were superb, their magnificent Under 20s side of a couple of years ago is starting to come of age and by the looks of things (from the U20s on Friday) the best Ntamack is still to come.
Re: Ye Auld Alliance Derby
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:17 am
by TheFrog
Well pretty good game from France, especially in the second half when they made Scotland look clueless.
France did get the rub of the green which helped momentum (the bad choice for the long miss pass that Hogg couldn't collect, the try scored after Woki had collected a ball while being off his feet and passed it...) but globally the result is deserved.
I thought Jaminet had a mare, and I am getting seriously concerned about his ability to field the high ball safely.
Baille, Marchand, Woki, Aldritt, Cros, Dupont, Fickou and Penaud were outstanding. Dupont finally getting back to full fitness.
Atonio doesn't have the fitness for more than 50 minutes at this level, and Jelonch was rather transparent. I put Jaminet in the disappointing category too.
Ntamack and Moefana mixed good and bad things.
Hope they remain focused on the Welsh .